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BLITZKRIEG
03-06-2006, 07:44 PM
Just did his mock on ESPN, and said Miami would take Justice....

Is he suppose to fall to that far???

PHINZ RULE!!!

phinfan2003
03-06-2006, 07:45 PM
Just did his mock on ESPN, and said Miami would take Justice....

Is he suppose to fall to that far???

PHINZ RULE!!!

How awesome would it be if we signed RG Stephen Neal and drafted Winston Justice to play LT?

Se7eN
03-06-2006, 07:45 PM
couldnt pass that up if he fell to us

playmaker1
03-06-2006, 07:46 PM
i saw this, i would be ok with it, sure would help protect Brees and give Ronnie some help

miabrown23
03-06-2006, 07:46 PM
we need the help on oline even more since we have to protect brees i wouldnt be mad with justice though i think we should draft cromartie

Kthurmus23
03-06-2006, 07:47 PM
I wouldnt mind that, but I am a little more worried about our secondary, so I would prefer to see a db taken at 16.

Rich22
03-06-2006, 07:47 PM
I would never spend a 1st rd pick on an OL guy. Too many failures. Look at Gallery for Oak - 2nd pick in draft and 2nd year in he's playing guard. No way - it's too valuable. You need an impact guy with your 1st rd pick and OL is rarely an impact guy. That's why we are paying top dollars fo rthe best OL coach in the game - to take a mid rd guy and make him all pro.

phinfan2003
03-06-2006, 07:47 PM
Do you think if we drafted Justice, Alabi could be the swing T that would play in the event that Carey or Justice needed a blow or were injured?

popularwar
03-06-2006, 07:49 PM
Isn't he more of a RT?

Jimmy James
03-06-2006, 07:49 PM
Justice sounds great to me. I don't buy this "don't draft a lineman" garbage, either. Justice is a value at 16 and is absolutely the way Miami should go if he is there. It's a much better pick than some of the DBs I have seen other places project to Miami.

Dors156
03-06-2006, 07:51 PM
id rather take mcneil

CrunchTime
03-06-2006, 07:51 PM
He would be my pick but I think it would be important to find out whether he can be converted to LT.

RTs are not usually taken that high unless they are considered to be dominating.I think he can be that type of OT but it depends on what HH thinks.

playmaker1
03-06-2006, 07:54 PM
Isn't he more of a RT?

Mel said that he is athletic enough to play LT in the NFL, then we could move Carey to RT

badfoot
03-06-2006, 07:54 PM
I think any of the olinemen besides d'brick is a reach .. unless you are at the end of the 1st round.Much rather see us draft a linebacker or a db with our first .. now if we can move down a few spots and get justice, say down to 24 or lower i am good with that.

phinfan2003
03-06-2006, 07:57 PM
Mel said that he is athletic enough to play LT in the NFL, then we could move Carey to RT

RT is where Carey is already.

dolphan98
03-06-2006, 08:02 PM
Isn't he more of a RT?

His QB was left handed so playing RT allowed him to protect his QB's blind side. From what I've seen of him, I think he can be converted to a left tackle.

bigbade
03-06-2006, 08:02 PM
Id like to see Michael Huff fall to us

kingfin
03-06-2006, 08:04 PM
T.Hill cb clemson..kipers wrong again

bigbade
03-06-2006, 08:06 PM
T.Hill cb clemson..kipers wrong again

That guy looked good at the combine fast as hell. I also like Jennings from GA nice size and speed but kinda short.

SF Dolphin Fan
03-06-2006, 08:20 PM
How about McNeil instead? I just think he's more consistent and is a high character guy. My first round list goes like this, not counting the obvious players who will go too high for us:

Greenway
Huff
Lawson
McNeil
Carpenter

dm416
03-06-2006, 09:27 PM
How about McNeil instead? I just think he's more consistent and is a high character guy. My first round list goes like this, not counting the obvious players who will go too high for us:

Greenway
Huff
Lawson
McNeil
Carpenter

I think we may trade up for jimmy williams or michael huff

bigbade
03-06-2006, 09:43 PM
the impossible drop that would be great is Mario Williams hehe

musphinzfan
03-06-2006, 09:56 PM
I think we may trade up for jimmy williams or michael huff


From what Kiper says Williams goes to like 19 or 20....If Williams did and Miami couldnt trade down hes a lock from my view.

Huff would be awesome to.

playmaker1
03-06-2006, 09:56 PM
I think we may trade up for jimmy williams or michael huff

trading up will take alot. we only have a few picks going into the draft. I could see us trade down if anything to get more picks. Maybe go after Ko Simpson, that would be a great addition to our secondary

iixivmmiii
03-06-2006, 10:51 PM
I dont know if any of you noticed but on kipers board it said that Jimmy Williams would fall to Cincy at #24...... If your saying getting a lineman is a stretch and we need help at DB i think hed be a great pickup... besides... I am a little biased since im from the same city as him and watched him play high school ball, but hes a great player..... what do you think of Jimmy Williams in a dolphins uniform? and do you think it could even happen?

playmaker1
03-06-2006, 10:55 PM
I dont know if any of you noticed but on kipers board it said that Jimmy Williams would fall to Cincy at #24...... If your saying getting a lineman is a stretch and we need help at DB i think hed be a great pickup... besides... I am a little biased since im from the same city as him and watched him play high school ball, but hes a great player..... what do you think of Jimmy Williams in a dolphins uniform? and do you think it could even happen?

I could see us trading down to get him and maybe an extra pick

PHINATIC13
03-06-2006, 10:59 PM
I'm ok with Justice,but imo he would have to play LT for kind of money a 16th overall pick would demand.

Danny
03-07-2006, 12:07 AM
I like Justice but honestly, I'm hoping we get Ashworth and that way we can draft defence at 16, either a DB(Huff,Williams?) or a LB(Lawson,Carpenter,Greenway?).....in the 2nd and/ or 3rd we could take a guard plus whatever we don't take in the first.

Ozzy rules!!

Danny
03-07-2006, 12:07 AM
I like Justice but honestly, I'm hoping we get Ashworth and that way we can draft defence at 16, either a DB(Huff,Williams?) or a LB(Lawson,Carpenter,Greenway?).....in the 2nd and/ or 3rd we could take a guard plus whatever we don't take in the first.

Ozzy rules!!

Roman529
03-07-2006, 01:50 AM
I would rather have McNeil if we take a lineman,,,,hope Huff is still around at 16.

finsnchips
03-07-2006, 05:07 AM
Justice and Carey at tackle would be awesome. Two young, athletic guys could become serious long term features of this offence.

armyfinfan
03-07-2006, 08:28 AM
Im not to thrilled to be taking a lineman with our first pick 2 out of 3 years.

Motion
03-07-2006, 08:59 AM
I still say its foolish to think he can just switch to LT with no problems after playing RT in college.

I know we have Houck and he can work wonders, but some people act like its no big deal at all just cause Leinart was left handed.

BLITZKRIEG
03-07-2006, 10:03 AM
Im not to thrilled to be taking a lineman with our first pick 2 out of 3 years.

It all starts up front man....

Drafting OL is never considered a "sexy pick", but in terms of importance, you can't put a price tag on what a great OL can accomplish....

PHINZ RULE!!!

Motion
03-07-2006, 10:31 AM
It all starts up front man....

Drafting OL is never considered a "sexy pick", but in terms of importance, you can't put a price tag on what a great OL can accomplish....

PHINZ RULE!!!

This is true, yet drafting an Olineman that high to play a different position than he did in college is slightly risky.

Canadi-Phin
03-07-2006, 10:33 AM
It all starts up front man....

Drafting OL is never considered a "sexy pick", but in terms of importance, you can't put a price tag on what a great OL can accomplish....

PHINZ RULE!!!

I couldn't agree with you more. If our Oline was even a little better and gave us the ability of running McMichael out in patterns more often our offense would be that much better. He is a talent that we do not get to use effectively because he usually has to stay in to help with protection. Same goes for Ronnie or Ricky out of the backfield. Instead of helping with blocking they could run patterns and create mismiatches and holes in the defense.

Spicy Henne
03-07-2006, 11:13 AM
Winston Justice was on NFL Total access last night, and he sounded like a buffoon.

Really not an intelligent sounding guy, who also had floppy man-breasts at the combine weigh-in.

Motion
03-07-2006, 11:32 AM
Winston Justice was on NFL Total access last night, and he sounded like a buffoon.

Really not an intelligent sounding guy, who also had floppy man-breasts at the combine weigh-in.

Not very intelligent period. That whole incident that cause him getting suspended his junior year was plain stupidity.

Oboy
03-07-2006, 01:41 PM
Not very intelligent period. That whole incident that cause him getting suspended his junior year was plain stupidity.
If that is the case, is he even coachable?

I would not be upset at Justice. IF Saban and Mueller have him rated as BPA. That would give us potentially THREE solid OT's (assuming Houck really can make Alabi good) and a talented, young oline. That would probably help our offense more than any other skilled player. (heck I think even Gus would be better with that oline)

I would love Huff to be there, but lets face it... I have a better chance of winning the lotto (and I never even play the lotto). A DB would be great also, but only if he is rated there. I don't want to see a reach for a position of need.

dolfan3431
03-07-2006, 01:50 PM
cromartie would be a better pick

Motion
03-07-2006, 01:52 PM
cromartie would be a better pick

In the 1st? His stock seems to have dropped significantly.

playmaker1
03-07-2006, 02:00 PM
cromartie would be a better pick

Id rather trade down and target Ko Simpson

Motion
03-07-2006, 02:02 PM
Id rather trade down and target Ko Simpson

Yeah!

playmaker1
03-07-2006, 02:04 PM
Yeah!

by trading down we could maybe pick up an extra pick too, so I think that would be he way to go

Mile High Fin
03-07-2006, 04:13 PM
by trading down we could maybe pick up an extra pick too, so I think that would be he way to go


All well and good, assuming there's a team wanting to trade UP to #16

and

that team is willing to give fair value for moving up.


Trading down doesn't just magically happen because we want it to, there has to be a trading partner, and fair value received...
Nick Saban will be listening to all offers for sure...

playmaker1
03-07-2006, 04:16 PM
All well and good, assuming there's a team wanting to trade UP to #16

and

that team is willing to give fair value for moving up.


Trading down doesn't just magically happen because we want it to, there has to be a trading partner, and fair value received...
Nick Saban will be listening to all offers for sure...

this I know, but if we do target someone a few picks behind us, hopefully we can sell tradeing up to a team there and maybe get like a 3rd or something. I think it will all depend on team needs and what happens in FA. Sence the whole CBA, teams have had to let go of players that I dont think they really had planned on, so no they might be scrambling to move up and fill that whole. so you never know, I just kinda hope we can work something out

dolphin23
03-08-2006, 01:21 AM
I like Justice as a matter of fact he is 1 of 5 players in my wishlist for the 16th pick for us, but I have a gut feeling that we will definetly go D for our 1st pick. We just drafted Carey 2 years ago and Brown last year. Its time to put some emphasis and "new blood" to our aging D. That said my take would be that we draft an OL in the 3rd. Also rumors that are circulating around is that we will get Ashworth from NE so that should at least take care of the OL problem for the moment.

playmaker1
03-08-2006, 01:27 AM
I like Justice as a matter of fact he is 1 of 5 players in my wishlist for the 16th pick for us, but I have a gut feeling that we will definetly go D for our 1st pick. We just drafted Carey 2 years ago and Brown last year. Its time to put some emphasis and "new blood" to our aging D. That said my take would be that we draft an OL in the 3rd. Also rumors that are circulating around is that we will get Ashworth from NE so that should at least take care of the OL problem for the moment.

very true. Ashworth would help our line big time. We need LB and DBs to upgrade our D

dolphin23
03-08-2006, 01:37 AM
very true. Ashworth would help our line big time. We need LB and DBs to upgrade our D

Man I would literally jump for joy if he is somehow still on the boards in the 3rd when our pick comes up. :woot:

dolphin23
03-08-2006, 01:40 AM
Man I would literally jump for joy if he is somehow still on the boards in the 3rd when our pick comes up. :woot:

oops sorry I was thinking drafting Whitworth in the 3rd, lol

jbond
03-08-2006, 02:55 AM
I would never spend a 1st rd pick on an OL guy. Too many failures. Look at Gallery for Oak - 2nd pick in draft and 2nd year in he's playing guard. No way - it's too valuable. You need an impact guy with your 1st rd pick and OL is rarely an impact guy. That's why we are paying top dollars fo rthe best OL coach in the game - to take a mid rd guy and make him all pro.

Historically....OL pans out more then a QB does and they generally last 10 years or so compared to RBs etc. much shorter lifespan (I believe the avg. lifespan of an NFL player is 4 years). That said, I believe whether or not we go after OL will depend on if we can upgrade the line through FA (centers/guards on market). If we can do that....then I think we go another route (CB, DT etc.). An improvement in any place on the line (through FA) would allow the other linemen to perform better as well. I'm hoping we can get 1-2 solid FA pickups for the OL that'll last 5 years and target some younger defensive players in the draft that will last just as long if not longer.

playmaker1
03-08-2006, 03:14 AM
Historically....OL pans out more then a QB does and they generally last 10 years or so compared to RBs etc. much shorter lifespan (I believe the avg. lifespan of an NFL player is 4 years). That said, I believe whether or not we go after OL will depend on if we can upgrade the line through FA (centers/guards on market). If we can do that....then I think we go another route (CB, DT etc.). An improvement in any place on the line (through FA) would allow the other linemen to perform better as well. I'm hoping we can get 1-2 solid FA pickups for the OL that'll last 5 years and target some younger defensive players in the draft that will last just as long if not longer.

great point!

Awsi Dooger
03-08-2006, 03:56 AM
Winston Justice was on NFL Total access last night, and he sounded like a buffoon.

Really not an intelligent sounding guy, who also had floppy man-breasts at the combine weigh-in.

I didn't see it, but a fellow USC alumnus friend of mine called me and said the same thing. He said Justice came off so poorly he was cringing just watching it.

He's got talent but I'm hoping we stay away from this guy. Miami's history with questionable character in the first round is hardly stellar.

On USC message boards, there have been plenty of disconcerting comments about Justice. One guy said he knew him in grade school and he was an awkward out of shape goofball. Another reported Justice only went to college to play in the NFL and was basically desperate to turn pro from his first year on campus. But the fake gun incident dramatically lowered his stock and forced him to stay an extra year.

My main problem is how he obviously lied regarding that gun incident. He still insists it was a practical joke and he thought he knew the guy. But every report I've read and heard screams otherwise. There were three people in the other car and they exited the vehicle during the argument. You know damn well words were exchanged, especially while Justice was waving the fake gun. It defies logic to think it was really a minor incident in a joking mood. The two other people in the car should have been evidence whether it was really your friend or not. The other driver was reportedly terrified and that's why he reported it.