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nick1
03-08-2006, 02:21 PM
is he a Boom? or a bust? he won 1 Heisman and 2 titles. is he a product of a great team? or will he prove to be great in the NFL?

Alex44
03-08-2006, 02:22 PM
Bust

1 heisman btw, im assuming that was a typo

Skeet84
03-08-2006, 02:24 PM
I also said bust

nick1
03-08-2006, 02:25 PM
I think he's a bust. his arm is too weak, he was on an all-star team, he could reinjure his arm at any time, he's a statue in the pocket

nick1
03-08-2006, 02:25 PM
Bust

1 heisman btw, im assuming that was a typo
yes it was thanks for the correction

LIQUID24
03-08-2006, 02:26 PM
he chokes in the clutch

That has to be the dumbest thing I've ever read here.

nick1
03-08-2006, 02:27 PM
That has to be the dumbest thing I've ever read here.
he did at the end of the title game. he held onto the ball way too long and than threw it out of bounds when no time was left

vmarcilfan75
03-08-2006, 02:28 PM
leinart-BOOM
young-BUST

nick1
03-08-2006, 02:29 PM
leinart-BOOM
young-BUST
why do you have to bring Young into this?

LIQUID24
03-08-2006, 02:31 PM
he did at the end of the title game. he held onto the ball way too long and than threw it out of bounds when no time was left

So because of that ONE play (which is overblown), he's a choker? What about all the other big games he's won? What about all the times he's rallied his team from behind?

You're completely clueless.

playmaker1
03-08-2006, 02:34 PM
I think leinart will do good for the Saints. They play in a dome where he can air it out. He will have D McCalister behind him, and Horn and Stallworth. The Saints have some talent, if they all stay healthy this year, and I think if he does go there that he will do ok. Might take a year or two.

nick1
03-08-2006, 02:35 PM
So because of that ONE play (which is overblown), he's a choker? What about all the other big games he's won? What about all the times he's rallied his team from behind?

You're completely clueless.
he has never rallied his team, Bush rallied the team no Leinart. watch the games, Leinart just benefits from a great team, he's too cocky and he's a bust

Motion
03-08-2006, 02:35 PM
why do you have to bring Young into this?

Probably for the same reasons Young fans always bring Leinart and Cutler into Young debates.

Motion
03-08-2006, 02:36 PM
he has never rallied his team, Bush rallied the team no Leinart. watch the games, Leinart just benefits from a great team, he's too cocky and he's a bust

Seriously, stop while your ahead. These comments are completely ridiculous. I'm not a fan of Leinart but come on now.

vmarcilfan75
03-08-2006, 02:36 PM
he has never rallied his team, Bush rallied the team no Leinart. watch the games, Leinart just benefits from a great team, he's too cocky and he's a bust

Notre Dame game?? That was him that threw the ball on 4TH and 19 right??

Geforce
03-08-2006, 02:39 PM
he did at the end of the title game. he held onto the ball way too long and than threw it out of bounds when no time was left
He held on the ball for as long as he did to allow his receivers to get down field for what would have been a "Hail Mary" pass. Yes the pass went out of bounds but that doesn't make him a choker.

Philter25
03-08-2006, 02:39 PM
wow this thread got really stupid fast.

nick1
03-08-2006, 02:40 PM
Notre Dame game?? That was him that threw the ball on 4TH and 19 right??
that isn't even my biggest point, I erased the point that he chokes the guy just got to it before I could erase it. the point is that he's a bust. he's too cocky, his arm is weak, he has injury history on his throwing arm, he benefited greatly from a great team. he's a bust

LIQUID24
03-08-2006, 02:40 PM
he has never rallied his team, Bush rallied the team no Leinart. watch the games, Leinart just benefits from a great team, he's too cocky and he's a bust
:lol:

Please don't to try to debate with me about Leinart. I live in LA, I've seen EVERY USC game of his. Unlike you, who probably only saw the Rose Bowl.

I don't even care if you don't like Leinart, but calling him a choker is just stupid. And he's no more cockier than Vince Young or Jay Cutler is. I WANT a confident QB who believes in himself.

Geforce
03-08-2006, 02:42 PM
is he a Boom? or a bust? he won 1 Heisman and 2 titles. is he a product of a great team? or will he prove to be great in the NFL?
Oh geez. Who knows. No one can predict how a player will be once he turns pro.

nick1
03-08-2006, 02:42 PM
:lol:

Please don't to try to debate with me about Leinart. I live in LA, I've seen EVERY USC game of his. Unlike you, who probably only saw the Rose Bowl.

I don't even care if you don't like Leinart, but calling him a choker is just stupid. And he's no more cockier that Vince Young or Jay Cutler is. I WANT a confident QB who believes in himself.
I saw a ton of games thank you very much, I didn't really mean that so if we can please get off of that

Noodle Arm
03-08-2006, 02:42 PM
It depends if New Orleans (where he's projected to go right now) builds a quality team around him. They're notoriously cheap, so it could be a rough few years for him. He has the talent to be a good QB, oh and yes I know the whole "weak arm" debate is strong around here, but Drew Brees is a Pro Bowl QB despite his weak arm (Leinart has a stronger arm)...and a noodle arm never hurt Montana. As I said, he has the talent to be a good QB (not sure if he'll be a GREAT one though), it should be fun to watch.

Skeet84
03-08-2006, 02:43 PM
Notre Dame game?? That was him that threw the ball on 4TH and 19 right??


Yeah that was also the game he fumbled at the one and luckily it went out of bounds. However I think he is alright at leading the comback in College.

Motion
03-08-2006, 02:43 PM
that isn't even my biggest point, I erased the point that he chokes the guy just got to it before I could erase it. the point is that he's a bust. he's too cocky, his arm is weak, he has injury history on his throwing arm, he benefited greatly from a great team. he's a bust

So what are the winning lotto numbers this week Ms. Cleo?

Since he hasn't even taken an NFL snap yet and he's a bust. Not even a possible bust, just a straight up bust.

nick1
03-08-2006, 02:45 PM
So what are the winning lotto numbers this week Ms. Cleo?

Since he hasn't even taken an NFL snap yet and he's a bust. Not even a possible bust, just a straight up bust.
I think he will be a bust whats wrong with that? you gonna blame me for being right when the time comes?

vmarcilfan75
03-08-2006, 02:45 PM
:lol:

Please don't to try to debate with me about Leinart. I live in LA, I've seen EVERY USC game of his. Unlike you, who probably only saw the Rose Bowl.

I don't even care if you don't like Leinart, but calling him a choker is just stupid. And he's no more cockier than Vince Young or Jay Cutler is. I WANT a confident QB who believes in himself.

yup and im a UCLA fan so i have hatred for him and his school but sometimes i take off my homer glasses and realize the kids good. And i would love to see him in a Dolphins uni.

playmaker1
03-08-2006, 02:46 PM
I think people are forgeting what this thread was about

vmarcilfan75
03-08-2006, 02:47 PM
Yeah that was also the game he fumbled at the one and luckily it went out of bounds. However I think he is alright at leading the comback in College.

yeah and he also called the audible at the line to eventually win the game..

vmarcilfan75
03-08-2006, 02:49 PM
I think he will be a bust whats wrong with that? you gonna blame me for being right when the time comes?

whats your definition of a bust??
and when do you consider him a bust? 3yrs in the pros? 4 yrs??
you cant judge him after his rookie year.

Motion
03-08-2006, 02:49 PM
I think he will be a bust whats wrong with that? you gonna blame me for being right when the time comes?

Nothing wrong with that if you would have worded it like that. You make it sound like he already is one. And thats just plain ridiculous.

Philter25
03-08-2006, 03:08 PM
I just find it hilarious that the guy who thinks Vince Young is going to be the next best thing since sliced bread in the pros thinks Leinart is already a bust. :lol:

Pennington's Rocket Arm
03-08-2006, 03:36 PM
i don't think any QB in this year's draft is remotely close to leinart.

Alex44
03-08-2006, 04:32 PM
Notre Dame game?? That was him that threw the ball on 4TH and 19 right??

No but it was Reggie Bush that illegally pushes Leinart over the goal line to win the game

But thats not why im saying he will be a bust

Its mostly because I dont like his arm strength, his attitude, and maybe he had a lot of comebacks, but seriously with a team that talented he shouldnt have been behind so often, and a lot of the time it was Reggie that sparked it, and a lot of Screen passes and amazing catches to 6'5 recievers helped

WelcomeBack
03-08-2006, 04:39 PM
I say boom. He will be a great player.

nick1
03-08-2006, 04:45 PM
whats your definition of a bust??
and when do you consider him a bust? 3yrs in the pros? 4 yrs??
you cant judge him after his rookie year.
if your in the NFL for 4 years than your a bust if you haven't done anything and your a top pick like he will be. I agree you can't call anybody a bust after their rookie year. especially not a QB

nick1
03-08-2006, 04:47 PM
i don't think any QB in this year's draft is remotely close to leinart.
I think Cutler and Young will both be better than him. Leinart's physcial skills don't live up to his hype. he won't be a good QB. another Heisman winner bust

Philter25
03-08-2006, 04:59 PM
Its mostly because I dont like his arm strength, his attitude, and maybe he had a lot of comebacks, but seriously with a team that talented he shouldnt have been behind so often, and a lot of the time it was Reggie that sparked it, and a lot of Screen passes and amazing catches to 6'5 recievers helped

So you dont like Leinart's arm strength, but you LIKE Young's? And you are complaining about Leinart's passing game but you LIKE Young's?

I just wanna get this straight........

Geforce
03-08-2006, 05:30 PM
I'd like to start a poll about this thread. Should it be closed. Yes or No.

PhinFan0202
03-08-2006, 06:00 PM
If Leinart goes to a team that has had any sort of history of being a contender than the answer is he will be good NFL QB. Him going to the Saints gives me doubts because there are just some franchises that don't do anything with their top picks, the Saints being one of them. A good example of this would be the Detroit Lions. Harrington being a bust so far has alot to do with the way they have built their teams. They had one of the best runningbacks of all time in Barry Sanders but what did they do while he was here? Make the playoffs once. Arizona is another one of those franchises that just never really gets it together and their talent is always wasted. A good example of a franchise that succeeds would be the Colts. They actually put good talent around Peyton Manning which helped him progress into an NFL QB. No offense to Leinart but if he gets drafted by the Saints than i'm not so sure he will succeed like he could on another team.

Dolfan11
03-08-2006, 07:07 PM
leinart-BOOM
young-BUST

:yeahthat:

Dors156
03-08-2006, 07:59 PM
bust

Amars
03-08-2006, 08:39 PM
Boom Boom Boom

Itsdahumidity
03-08-2006, 09:03 PM
I say colossal bust. No, I'm not a V. Young fan. At USC he overcompensated his weak arm by lobbing his deep passes. Some can get away with that in college, while no one has, and no one will ever do that with success in the pros.

playmaker1
03-08-2006, 09:04 PM
I say colossal bust. No, I'm not a V. Young fan. At USC he overcompensated his weak arm by lobbing his deep passes. Some can get away with that in college, while no one has, and no one will ever do that with success in the pros.

he can make up for that by not throwing the deep passes though. pick apart the D 10 yds at a time

Philter25
03-08-2006, 09:25 PM
If Leinart goes to a team that has had any sort of history of being a contender than the answer is he will be good NFL QB. Him going to the Saints gives me doubts because there are just some franchises that don't do anything with their top picks, the Saints being one of them. A good example of this would be the Detroit Lions. Harrington being a bust so far has alot to do with the way they have built their teams. They had one of the best runningbacks of all time in Barry Sanders but what did they do while he was here? Make the playoffs once. Arizona is another one of those franchises that just never really gets it together and their talent is always wasted. A good example of a franchise that succeeds would be the Colts. They actually put good talent around Peyton Manning which helped him progress into an NFL QB. No offense to Leinart but if he gets drafted by the Saints than i'm not so sure he will succeed like he could on another team.

Good post.

djfresh47
03-08-2006, 11:19 PM
I think he'll be the best Qb out of the draft. Is it really his fault that Pete Carroll is the best recruiter in college football? Last year I think New Orleans gets a free pass because of Katrina, they've got more talent IMO than the Jets or the Titans.

playmaker1
03-08-2006, 11:20 PM
I think he'll be the best Qb out of the draft. Is it really his fault that Pete Carroll is the best recruiter in college football? Last year I think New Orleans gets a free pass because of Katrina, they've got more talent IMO than the Jets or the Titans.

very true

UCFinFan9
03-08-2006, 11:32 PM
i dont think hes gonna be a total bust. then again i dont think he'll be one of the elite QBs in the league like Palmer. i think he'll go into the league and get the job done as long as you put him around a talented group. i tell all of my friends that he reminds me of a talented ken dorsey:lol:. w/e, its too early to tell like everyone else has said. he hasnt even gotten drafted!!

AggieFin21
03-08-2006, 11:41 PM
i thinks is funny how everyone with Vince Young in their Sig or Avatar seems to have voted bust....

MrClean
03-08-2006, 11:49 PM
So because of that ONE play (which is overblown), he's a choker? What about all the other big games he's won? What about all the times he's rallied his team from behind?

You're completely clueless.
Now you can see why he is on my ignore list.:lol:

tmny99
03-08-2006, 11:56 PM
I think he'll be a bust. He'll be similar to Chad Pennington. He'll be very accurate, but his weak arm will be exposed at the next level. JMO

Pennington's Rocket Arm
03-09-2006, 12:03 AM
seems most who think young will be great and leinart will bust are 15 years old. coincidence?

playmaker1
03-09-2006, 12:21 AM
seems most who think young will be great and leinart will bust are 15 years old. coincidence?

:sidelol: :sidelol: :sidelol:

Skeet84
03-09-2006, 01:00 AM
Well I for one don't think Leinart is all that and I am not 15 and nor do I think Vince Young is gunna be better. I think Vince Young is in a Huge hole and I think Leinart as soooo much more of a chance to be better. I just think Leinart is not going to be that great of a QB and I actually if I had to pick a QB it would be Jay Cutler. I would stat the reasons about Leinart, But I have lready learned once a player gets sooo popular if you disagree you get blasted.

King Felix
03-09-2006, 01:16 AM
haha at this thread.

jonanthans
03-09-2006, 01:55 AM
I would take Leinert out of the 3 of the Qb's if I had the choice. I was leaning towards Cutler for awhile, but Leinert just keeps reminding me of Montana, not neccesarily a big arm, but can still make all the throws, and just seems to win games. Vince Young was a beast in the Rose Bowl, but people forget that Leinert was pretty impressive as well, 29-40 for 365 and a touchdown, 1 pick. I believe you can plug Leinert into almost any system in the NFL today and he would be succesful, Young is going to have to go to a team that builds an offense suited for him to run. And, this is just my own personal opinion, but I dont think Young is as good a runner as Vick is, I don't think his speed is going to be as effective as Vicks is, therefore he is going to have to prove that he can throw the ball well. That being said, I still wouldn't pass him up at #16 unless we had aquired Brees.

My personal rankings and who they most remind me of:

1. Matt Leinert - Smart, tough, leader (Brady, Montana)

2. Jay Cutler - Cocky, Big arm, leader (Favre)

3a. Vince Young - Loaded with Raw talent (Mike Vick)

3b. Omar Jacobs - Unlimited potential, (Donovan McNabb)

5. Reggie McNeal - Unlimited potential, probably the best athlete of all the Qbs (Donovan McNabb)

6. Drew Olson - This years sleeper by far, someone is going to STEAL this guy in the 5th round (Matt Schaub)

7. Bruce Gradkowski - A late round steal, possibly still there in the 7th. Likened to some scouts as another Brady (Yeah, Brady)

Qbs I personally would stay away from:,

Charlie Whitehurst - Just something about him screams Heath Shuler..

Brodie Croyle - Too fragile, another Pennington without the accuracy

Kellen Clemens - Not sure why, just a feeling

THESE ARE JUST OPINIONS!:dolphins:

Alex44
03-09-2006, 01:59 AM
So you dont like Leinart's arm strength, but you LIKE Young's? And you are complaining about Leinart's passing game but you LIKE Young's?

I just wanna get this straight........


Their Passing Numbers were very much the same, Leinart was at the max of his college skills, young was just beggining to scratch the surface of his passing talents, paired with his legs thats a deadly combo

Vince doesnt have a cannon, but he does have a stronger arm that Leinart imo

Alex44
03-09-2006, 02:02 AM
i dont think hes gonna be a total bust. then again i dont think he'll be one of the elite QBs in the league like Palmer. i think he'll go into the league and get the job done as long as you put him around a talented group. i tell all of my friends that he reminds me of a talented ken dorsey:lol:. w/e, its too early to tell like everyone else has said. he hasnt even gotten drafted!!

Ive said that so many times and gotten laughed at :lol:

playmaker1
03-09-2006, 02:46 AM
I would take Leinert out of the 3 of the Qb's if I had the choice. I was leaning towards Cutler for awhile, but Leinert just keeps reminding me of Montana, not neccesarily a big arm, but can still make all the throws, and just seems to win games. Vince Young was a beast in the Rose Bowl, but people forget that Leinert was pretty impressive as well, 29-40 for 365 and a touchdown, 1 pick. I believe you can plug Leinert into almost any system in the NFL today and he would be succesful, Young is going to have to go to a team that builds an offense suited for him to run. And, this is just my own personal opinion, but I dont think Young is as good a runner as Vick is, I don't think his speed is going to be as effective as Vicks is, therefore he is going to have to prove that he can throw the ball well. That being said, I still wouldn't pass him up at #16 unless we had aquired Brees.

My personal rankings and who they most remind me of:

1. Matt Leinert - Smart, tough, leader (Brady, Montana)

2. Jay Cutler - Cocky, Big arm, leader (Favre)

3a. Vince Young - Loaded with Raw talent (Mike Vick)

3b. Omar Jacobs - Unlimited potential, (Donovan McNabb)

5. Reggie McNeal - Unlimited potential, probably the best athlete of all the Qbs (Donovan McNabb)

6. Drew Olson - This years sleeper by far, someone is going to STEAL this guy in the 5th round (Matt Schaub)

7. Bruce Gradkowski - A late round steal, possibly still there in the 7th. Likened to some scouts as another Brady (Yeah, Brady)

Qbs I personally would stay away from:,

Charlie Whitehurst - Just something about him screams Heath Shuler..

Brodie Croyle - Too fragile, another Pennington without the accuracy

Kellen Clemens - Not sure why, just a feeling

THESE ARE JUST OPINIONS!:dolphins:

Nice post. I agree. If we get Brees, I would love to see us draft Olson and groom him. I would be very happy with that situation

dominizzo
03-09-2006, 04:06 AM
I say Cutler is the steal of the Draft

playmaker1
03-09-2006, 04:14 AM
I like Cutler, but I do wonder how much is hype. I cant wait to see him play in the NFL

PhinFan0202
03-09-2006, 04:17 AM
Cutler looks great i actually was hoping to get him but i dont think that it going to happen because of all the hype that he's getting.

playmaker1
03-09-2006, 04:21 AM
Cutler looks great i actually was hoping to get him but i dont think that it going to happen because of all the hype that he's getting.

yeah, I wish he would fall to us, but I really doubt that

dominizzo
03-09-2006, 04:29 AM
I would take Leinert out of the 3 of the Qb's if I had the choice. I was leaning towards Cutler for awhile, but Leinert just keeps reminding me of Montana, not neccesarily a big arm, but can still make all the throws, and just seems to win games. Vince Young was a beast in the Rose Bowl, but people forget that Leinert was pretty impressive as well, 29-40 for 365 and a touchdown, 1 pick. I believe you can plug Leinert into almost any system in the NFL today and he would be succesful, Young is going to have to go to a team that builds an offense suited for him to run. And, this is just my own personal opinion, but I dont think Young is as good a runner as Vick is, I don't think his speed is going to be as effective as Vicks is, therefore he is going to have to prove that he can throw the ball well. That being said, I still wouldn't pass him up at #16 unless we had aquired Brees.

My personal rankings and who they most remind me of:

1. Matt Leinert - Smart, tough, leader (Brady, Montana)

2. Jay Cutler - Cocky, Big arm, leader (Favre)

3a. Vince Young - Loaded with Raw talent (Mike Vick)

3b. Omar Jacobs - Unlimited potential, (Donovan McNabb)

5. Reggie McNeal - Unlimited potential, probably the best athlete of all the Qbs (Donovan McNabb)

6. Drew Olson - This years sleeper by far, someone is going to STEAL this guy in the 5th round (Matt Schaub)

7. Bruce Gradkowski - A late round steal, possibly still there in the 7th. Likened to some scouts as another Brady (Yeah, Brady)

Qbs I personally would stay away from:,

Charlie Whitehurst - Just something about him screams Heath Shuler..

Brodie Croyle - Too fragile, another Pennington without the accuracy

Kellen Clemens - Not sure why, just a feeling

THESE ARE JUST OPINIONS!:dolphins:

Reggie Mcneal will be converted to WR

nick1
03-09-2006, 08:42 AM
Well I for one don't think Leinart is all that and I am not 15 and nor do I think Vince Young is gunna be better. I think Vince Young is in a Huge hole and I think Leinart as soooo much more of a chance to be better. I just think Leinart is not going to be that great of a QB and I actually if I had to pick a QB it would be Jay Cutler. I would stat the reasons about Leinart, But I have lready learned once a player gets sooo popular if you disagree you get blasted.
exactly, if you disagree with someone who is well-liked and than like someone who they seem to dislike you get blasted, that is why they don't like me. Sometimes get excited and don't make sense but I have good points. for example, nobody has yet to makea case for Leinart and why he will be good they are just caught up in one concept that I deleted

Motion
03-09-2006, 10:29 AM
exactly, if you disagree with someone who is well-liked and than like someone who they seem to dislike you get blasted, that is why they don't like me. Sometimes get excited and don't make sense but I have good points. for example, nobody has yet to makea case for Leinart and why he will be good they are just caught up in one concept that I deleted

Don't we all.


Thats an interesting picture choice for your sig. Shows that "unique" throwing motion really well.

nick1
03-09-2006, 11:43 AM
Don't we all.


Thats an interesting picture choice for your sig. Shows that "unique" throwing motion really well.
and? I don't think he will have to change it, he is tall and athletic so he won't allow anyone to get in his face and tip his pass or bat it down. he dominated college especially this year why question him? he has done nothing but prove his college critics wrong and will do it in the NFL

Philter25
03-09-2006, 11:45 AM
:sidelol: I love this thread.

Motion
03-09-2006, 11:59 AM
and? I don't think he will have to change it, he is tall and athletic so he won't allow anyone to get in his face and tip his pass or bat it down. he dominated college especially this year why question him? he has done nothing but prove his college critics wrong and will do it in the NFL

We shall see......

Pennington's Rocket Arm
03-09-2006, 01:52 PM
and? I don't think he will have to change it, he is tall and athletic so he won't allow anyone to get in his face and tip his pass or bat it down. he dominated college especially this year why question him? he has done nothing but prove his college critics wrong and will do it in the NFL
the problem with his throwing motion isn't the ball getting knocked down at the line.

nick1
03-09-2006, 02:24 PM
the problem with his throwing motion isn't the ball getting knocked down at the line.
than what is it? thats what the concern is from the doubters I hear

vmarcilfan75
03-09-2006, 02:25 PM
exactly, if you disagree with someone who is well-liked and than like someone who they seem to dislike you get blasted, that is why they don't like me. Sometimes get excited and don't make sense but I have good points. for example, nobody has yet to makea case for Leinart and why he will be good they are just caught up in one concept that I deleted

Leinart being a choker was an EXCELLENT point....:rolleyes2
the guy has 2 Losses as a starter.

Philter25
03-09-2006, 02:30 PM
than what is it? thats what the concern is from the doubters I hear

Since you are so well educated on Young, you should know exactly what his other flaws are in his throwing motion.

nick1
03-09-2006, 02:46 PM
Leinart being a choker was an EXCELLENT point....:rolleyes2
the guy has 2 Losses as a starter.
not even a point I meant to bring up but since I did now I'm being chewed out for it, move on to a different point people :shakeno: you just grab on to one point which I erased and look past the rest. So tell me, what makes him so mcuh better than Vince Young? Young has better arm strengh, better overall skills and agruably better intangibles. Young backs up what he says too, he all but said Texas would win the title game and he made sure they did

Motion
03-09-2006, 02:53 PM
not even a point I meant to bring up but since I did now I'm being chewed out for it, move on to a different point people :shakeno: you just grab on to one point which I erased and look past the rest. So tell me, what makes him so mcuh better than Vince Young? Young has better arm strengh, better overall skills and agruably better intangibles. Young backs up what he says too, he all but said Texas would win the title game and he made sure they did

He all But said they'd win, yet he backs up what he says? :confused:

Philter25
03-09-2006, 02:57 PM
Speed, sometimes its just a lost cause. There are certain posters I will avoid debates with because its just not worth your time.

nick1
03-09-2006, 02:57 PM
He all But said they'd win, yet he backs up what he says? :confused:
Young was mad after his Heisman runner-up, he pretty much guarenteed a win. I guess you didn't read about what he said.

nick1
03-09-2006, 02:58 PM
Speed, sometimes its just a lost cause. There are certain posters I will avoid debates with because its just not worth your time.
nice to see a 3 year old saying I'm not worth his time :lol:

Motion
03-09-2006, 03:21 PM
Young was mad after his Heisman runner-up, he pretty much guarenteed a win. I guess you didn't read about what he said.

Totally missed the point..............

Motion
03-09-2006, 03:22 PM
Speed, sometimes its just a lost cause. There are certain posters I will avoid debates with because its just not worth your time.

This is true.

jonanthans
03-09-2006, 03:33 PM
Nick,
The reason many people are not sold on Young having success in the NFL is what has come before him. We have seen that a run-oriented Qb is not going to be as succesful in the NFL as many believe they will be. If he is not a good passer, teams can simply defense him for the run and force him to pass the ball. If he doesnt have the arm and the accuracy along with the ability to recognize and make those throws, then he will never make it. Thats not to say Young won't be a NFL QB, but his passing is whats going to determine that, not his running. He does have bad mechanics that are going to be reworked by any team that drafts him.
Leinert, on the other hand, doesn't have the running ability that Young has, but he has the tools that NFL scouts and coaches know you have to have to play at the pro level. He can make the throws, he can read the defenses past just the first 2 reads and pick up the 3rd option, he can audible out when the setup of the defense dictates the need.

Personally, I think they both will be great Qb's in the NFL, but for me, the safer bet would be Leinert.

Philter25
03-09-2006, 03:43 PM
nice to see a 3 year old saying I'm not worth his time :lol: Some arguments are not worth your time. Certain people have their mind set a certain way, its not just you, there are a good handful of people on here I know religiously feel a certain way about a player, if you disagree with them, its not worth your time to try to argue about it because certain people will not even ATTEMPT to see what the other side is talking about.

Ive had my debate with you about Young and you disagreed with my analysis of Young and his flaws. YOU even pointed out a scout who said EXACTLY WHAT I SAID and you still refused to even acknowledge his flaws. Your comments of Leinart in this thread are hilarious.... like I said, debating with someone who is so hard-nosed on something isnt worth anyones time.

Im a fairly well educated 3 year old btw.

jonanthans
03-09-2006, 04:22 PM
{{{Im a fairly well educated 3 year old btw.[/quote]}}

with a very nice cowbell....

nick1
03-09-2006, 04:48 PM
Some arguments are not worth your time. Certain people have their mind set a certain way, its not just you, there are a good handful of people on here I know religiously feel a certain way about a player, if you disagree with them, its not worth your time to try to argue about it because certain people will not even ATTEMPT to see what the other side is talking about.

Ive had my debate with you about Young and you disagreed with my analysis of Young and his flaws. YOU even pointed out a scout who said EXACTLY WHAT I SAID and you still refused to even acknowledge his flaws. Your comments of Leinart in this thread are hilarious.... like I said, debating with someone who is so hard-nosed on something isnt worth anyones time.

Im a fairly well educated 3 year old btw.
fair enough

Motion
03-09-2006, 04:55 PM
Im a fairly well educated 3 year old btw.

:lol: :wink:

Noodle Arm
03-09-2006, 05:19 PM
How did a thread about Matt Leinart become the Vince Young Show? :confused:

Well I guess I'll join in then :lol: Out of the "Big 3", I think Young has the biggest boom or bust potential, simply because he's still raw as a passer. Nobody is entirely sure what they'll get from him, he's basically one big question mark and will get drafted high on athletic talent and "potential" alone. He'll either end up being great, or he'll end up being a huge, expensive mistake.

YES you can say that about Leinart/Cutler as well (or any other player in the draft), but with those 2 you pretty much know what you're getting, the question is if they'll be able to read and play up to the speed of NFL defenses. With Young it's different...there's a lot more questions than answers to his game, and that's what makes him a HUGE boom or bust player.

This is just my opinion of course (and I don't hate Young, I hope he ends up being great, I'm just saying there are a lot of questions about his style of play and how it'll succeed in the NFL)