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Agent51
03-09-2006, 04:33 AM
Did anyone see the premiere of this show? I think Ice Cube is involved with it somehow (he isn't in it though, producer/creator maybe?). It's a "reality" show about a white family and black family and they get makeup and tuff which basically turns them the opposite race and then they switch places and live like the other race does. It was....interesting, that's really the only way I can describe it. Over-the-top I guess would be a good description too, and maybe hypocritical. The part that bohered me most was that the white family seemed WAY to sterotypical, almost like their comments were scripted, nobody can be THAT clueless. Also, the black family, mainly the dad, seemed like he was LOOKING for racism in every little thing, he was very hypocritical too, he would get mad at the white guy for not expanding his mind and looking at things that happened to him when he was in his "black" makeup yet when the guy was in his "white" makeup he had a bunch of little race comments like "oh, this how the white man lives, they get their shoes put on FOR them?" and just little stuff like that. He turned everything into the race card, even when it clearly wasn't, and the white family (actually only the mom and dad, mostly dad, the daughter was OK) was just insanely over the top with their "questions" about the "black lifestyle". IDK, did anyone else see this? Thoughts? I think it's a novel idea done poorly. It could have really been done as a learning experience, and eye-opening, possibly life-changing experience, instead it seems like it's being done as exploitation/sterotyping.

lazareth
03-09-2006, 04:37 AM
Did anyone see the premiere of this show? I think Ice Cube is involved with it somehow (he isn't in it though, producer/creator maybe?). It's a "reality" show about a white family and black family and they get makeup and tuff which basically turns them the opposite race and then they switch places and live like the other race does. It was....interesting, that's really the only way I can describe it. Over-the-top I guess would be a good description too, and maybe hypocritical. The part that bohered me most was that the white family seemed WAY to sterotypical, almost like their comments were scripted, nobody can be THAT clueless. Also, the black family, mainly the dad, seemed like he was LOOKING for racism in every little thing, he was very hypocritical too, he would get mad at the white guy for not expanding his mind and looking at things that happened to him when he was in his "black" makeup yet when the guy was in his "white" makeup he had a bunch of little race comments like "oh, this how the white man lives, they get their shoes put on FOR them?" and just little stuff like that. He turned everything into the race card, even when it clearly wasn't, and the white family (actually only the mom and dad, mostly dad, the daughter was OK) was just insanely over the top with their "questions" about the "black lifestyle". IDK, did anyone else see this? Thoughts? I think it's a novel idea done poorly. It could have really been done as a learning experience, and eye-opening, possibly life-changing experience, instead it seems like it's being done as exploitation/sterotyping. i've been seeing the promos and was very interested in checking it out, unfortunately I missed it due to other obligations

i did listen to an NPR story (interview with the creator / director) on it today...described much as you did, esp. the part about the two dads.

WharfRat
03-09-2006, 11:42 AM
It could have really been done as a learning experience, and eye-opening, possibly life-changing experience, instead it seems like it's being done as exploitation/sterotyping.

That's a shame.... I saw the previews, and thought it would be interesting. It really could be a good concept. Pity that the people they chose and/or the "writers" have a stereotyping or racial agenda.

mor911
03-09-2006, 11:44 AM
Reality TV has dropped to an all time low.

Rocky Raccoon
03-09-2006, 11:51 AM
Reality TV has dropped to an all time low.

:yeahthat:

WharfRat
03-09-2006, 12:32 PM
Reality TV has dropped to an all time low.

Reality TV was at an all time low when it first started...

UltraDol-Fan
03-09-2006, 12:42 PM
Reality TV was at an all time low when it first started...

You didn't like COPS?

Rocky Raccoon
03-09-2006, 12:50 PM
reality tv used to be really good...with shows like COPS, Survivor, Fear Factor, American Idol, etc. But recently it's just been awful...shows about switching races, switching mothers, the one with the nannys...its just so stupid nowadays.

WharfRat
03-09-2006, 01:02 PM
You didn't like COPS?

ummm no.
I watched the very first Survivor...reluctantly.... after that it was all just a waste of airwaves to me

Pagan
03-09-2006, 01:16 PM
It's about as real as the WWE.

Aside from the fact that if you believe for a second that anyone is fooled by that makeup job you need your head examined.

cnc66
03-09-2006, 01:21 PM
That's a shame.... I saw the previews, and thought it would be interesting. It really could be a good concept. Pity that the people they chose and/or the "writers" have a stereotyping or racial agenda.

the concept is not new,

Black Like Me

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Black Like Me is also a 1987 book by Jocelyn Emama Maximé. http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2006/03/180pxBlack_Like_Me-1.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Black_Like_Me.jpg) http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Black_Like_Me.jpg)



Black Like Me is a non-fiction book written by the white (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_%28people%29) journalist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalist) John Howard Griffin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Howard_Griffin) about his experiences traveling as a black (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American) man in the segregated (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation) South (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_South) in 1959 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1959). To effect the ruse, Griffin shaved his head and underwent skin treatments to darken his skin. Griffin was transformed by the change in skin tone so thoroughly that people he met as a white (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_%28people%29) man did not recognize him during the time he spent as a black man, and vice versa. Griffin switched back and forth between races and skin tones more than once during his time in the South, sometimes while staying in the same area of a given town, in order to make direct comparisons of his racial experiences.
Because communication between the white and black races was particularly strained at the time of the book's writing, neither race really knew what life was like for the other. Griffin felt that the only way for a white man to know what blacks experienced was to become a black man and then travel through the South. His trip was financed by the internationally distributed magazine Sepia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepia_%28magazine%29) in exchange for the right to print excerpts from the finished product. After six weeks in the Deep South as a black man, Griffin produced a 188-page journal covering his transition into the black race, his travels and experiences in the South, the shift back into white society, and the reactions of those he knew prior to his experience. The journal was eventually published and released as a book.
After the publication of Black Like Me, Griffin was personally vilified, hanged in effigy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effigy) in his hometown, and threatened with death for the rest of his life. Griffin's courageous act and the book it generated earned him international respect as a human rights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights) activist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activist). After publication, he became a leading advocate in the Civil Rights Movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Movement) and did much to promote awareness of racial situations.
In 1964 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964) "Black Like Me" was made into a film (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Black_Like_Me_%28movie%29&action=edit) staring James Whitmore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Whitmore).
Robert Bonazzi subsequently published the book Man in the Mirror: John Howard Griffin and the Story of Black Like Me.




http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2006/03/blacklikeme-1.jpg

UltraDol-Fan
03-09-2006, 04:37 PM
Aside from the fact that if you believe for a second that anyone is fooled by that makeup job you need your head examined.

:lol: , so true. When Tyra dressed up in the fat suit to see how people treated larger people differently she looked ridiculous. Then she came on her show and cried how unfair it is that people don't give you the same respect. I was like, your not getting any respect because EVERYONE KNOWS YOUR WEARING A FAT SUIT, STUPID!

Buddwalk
03-09-2006, 04:40 PM
the concept is not new,

Black Like Me

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Black Like Me is also a 1987 book by Jocelyn Emama Maximé. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/52/Black_Like_Me.jpg/180px-Black_Like_Me.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Black_Like_Me.jpg) http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Black_Like_Me.jpg)



Black Like Me is a non-fiction book written by the white (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_%28people%29) journalist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalist) John Howard Griffin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Howard_Griffin) about his experiences traveling as a black (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American) man in the segregated (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation) South (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_South) in 1959 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1959). To effect the ruse, Griffin shaved his head and underwent skin treatments to darken his skin. Griffin was transformed by the change in skin tone so thoroughly that people he met as a white (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_%28people%29) man did not recognize him during the time he spent as a black man, and vice versa. Griffin switched back and forth between races and skin tones more than once during his time in the South, sometimes while staying in the same area of a given town, in order to make direct comparisons of his racial experiences.
Because communication between the white and black races was particularly strained at the time of the book's writing, neither race really knew what life was like for the other. Griffin felt that the only way for a white man to know what blacks experienced was to become a black man and then travel through the South. His trip was financed by the internationally distributed magazine Sepia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepia_%28magazine%29) in exchange for the right to print excerpts from the finished product. After six weeks in the Deep South as a black man, Griffin produced a 188-page journal covering his transition into the black race, his travels and experiences in the South, the shift back into white society, and the reactions of those he knew prior to his experience. The journal was eventually published and released as a book.
After the publication of Black Like Me, Griffin was personally vilified, hanged in effigy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effigy) in his hometown, and threatened with death for the rest of his life. Griffin's courageous act and the book it generated earned him international respect as a human rights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights) activist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activist). After publication, he became a leading advocate in the Civil Rights Movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Movement) and did much to promote awareness of racial situations.
In 1964 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964) "Black Like Me" was made into a film (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Black_Like_Me_%28movie%29&action=edit) staring James Whitmore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Whitmore).
Robert Bonazzi subsequently published the book Man in the Mirror: John Howard Griffin and the Story of Black Like Me.




http://www.blackstarvideo.com/img/blacklikeme.jpg

i saw that movie before...it was awesome


White bigot hated black people thens end up turning into one

mor911
03-09-2006, 04:45 PM
An awesome movie was White Man's Burden (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114928/)... Kinda made a spin on the whole thing.

cnc66
03-09-2006, 04:57 PM
An awesome movie was White Man's Burden (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114928/)... Kinda made a spin on the whole thing.

I remember a buzz when this came out but that's all I remembered. I just followed your link and read about ten of the reviews, it sounds interesting.

Thanks.

Noodle Arm
03-09-2006, 05:04 PM
If you want to see a good (and darkly funny) movie about reality tv, check out the flick Series 7: The Contenders..

http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif

Plot: Six ordinary Americans are chosen at random to participate in a "reality-based" TV show where contestants must kill or be killed. The reigning champion, Dawn Lagarto, is eight months pregnant and will win her freedom if she survives Series 7.

What's cool about this movie is that it's as if you're watching 3 episodes back to back of the actual show. They shot it on video and it looks just like a real tv show. (and the announcer is Will Arnett, who played Gob on Arrested Devlopment)

The DVD is out of print, but if you can find it give it a shot.

AquaInferno
03-09-2006, 05:39 PM
ummm no.
I watched the very first Survivor...reluctantly.... after that it was all just a waste of airwaves to me

Then help me in pushing to make reality TV illegal, or give it it's own channel like Lifetime. It can be called 4real netowork on channel 4. Then all we need to do is avoid 1 channel instead of all network tv. :shakeno:

d-day
03-09-2006, 05:41 PM
the only good show on t.v. is a reality show... well that and she spies re-runs :dday:

Agent51
03-09-2006, 05:45 PM
ummm no.
I watched the very first Survivor...reluctantly.... after that it was all just a waste of airwaves to me

I watched the very first survivor also, but only because the guy who turned out to be the winner *Richard Hatch" was from my hometown and I still lived there at the time and since Middletown is a small town in Rhode Island having someone from there on national TV every week was sort of a "big deal". The funny thing is he is going to jail now for tax evasion and usuing funds from his charity for personal use. I don't know the exact story cuz I don't live there anymore and it only occasionally slips into a convo with my parents, but he used like ALL th emoney to build this AWESOME house (which is about 5 minutes from the house I grew up in) and I guess he never paid taxes on the winnings, he said he thought the show took care of it, and he also set up a charity but used the donations for his own personal use instead of giving it to charity.


It's about as real as the WWE.

Aside from the fact that if you believe for a second that anyone is fooled by that makeup job you need your head examined.

Oh yea, forgot to mention the makeup, it looks SO bad. They made the black dad look like a white trash guy, all tall and scrawny with a bad mustache, he looks like your classic "nerdy" white dude, the black mom's makeup wasn't much better. The white mom and dad's makeup does not look like black peopel to me AT ALL. The back kid might pass for a white kid except they either gave hime pointy ears or he has them naturally, ut he looks like an elf in white makeup. IMHO the only one who COULD pass for the other race is the white girl, and even then it's iffy, sometimes she looks normal sometimes it looks so fake it's laughable.

bullseyeguy
03-09-2006, 05:51 PM
I think the white people turned into black people were sort of real looking, but the black people looked nothing like white people.

I feel dirty after typing that....

cnc66
03-09-2006, 05:55 PM
the only good show on t.v. is a reality show... well that and she spies re-runs :dday:

There is too, on the history channel last night a friend of mine Mike Kirkhart was on for like ten minutes. He mounts fish and is three times world Bill Fish Champ. The program was on the history of taxidermy.