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alan huber
03-16-2006, 06:59 PM
whos the best CB in the draft?

Skeet84
03-16-2006, 07:03 PM
Hmmmm IMO there are sooo many it could be a toss up between like 4 or 5 guys. I am gunna say Jason Allen because I have seen him more than anyone else and I think he is amazing player.

phinfan_1
03-16-2006, 07:06 PM
Thats a hard one right now. We'll find out in a couple years.
I'd say Cromartie is the most gifted natural CB. Alot like Deion Sanders. But is he or will he ever really fully recover from the injury?

TotoreMexico
03-16-2006, 07:08 PM
Cromartie?? Don't know it's hard to say

t2thejz
03-16-2006, 07:09 PM
Huff if he plays CB, Jimmy Willimas second, but like everyone else said Its close between a lot of players

RunRickyRun34
03-16-2006, 07:17 PM
Huff and Jason Allen and Jimmy Williams IMO are more NFL-type Safeties, Tye Hill and Antonio Cromartie are the best corners in the draft.

Hill is amazing but he isn't a "Saban CB" due to his height

I doubt Huff or Williams fall, if they do they should be our pick. Jason Allen's stock has been rising but I think he'd be a reach at 16, he's more of a late 1st/early 2nd at worse. Cromartie's stock has been moving up and down due to his injury so it's tough to say where exactly he'll go but I think a team will take him in the mid 1st.

Philter25
03-16-2006, 08:04 PM
Cromartie.

playmaker1
03-16-2006, 08:32 PM
Williams, Allen, or Cromartie I think. I would love any of them in Miami

Jaj
03-16-2006, 08:36 PM
Tye Hill can run support. I have no idea why he isn't a Saban CB then. He's short? So what he has a 42 inch vertical. Chris Chambers isn't even 6 feet yet he's one of the most physically dominant players on the team. The obsession with "Saban players" is a bit ridiculous considering the Patriots have tiny corners and isn't that the formula Saban is partly following?

I prefer Cromartie with no injury concerns, but Tye Hill would be great as well.

By the way this is a little bit out of nowhere, but if Saban can find a LS on the offensive line that can also play backup T it'll be great, because one more roster spot can be used to have 5 safeties and 5 CBs.

Geforce
03-16-2006, 10:10 PM
That's a very good question. Jimmy Williams is probably the most physically gifted of the CBs which is why he was often used as a safety in some of VT schemes.
Tye Hill may be the best pure cover corner not only because of his quickness but because of his recovery speed. Is a lot like DeAngelo Hall of the Falcons.

Antonio Cromartie hasn't played in a year so it's difficult to see what he's like as a corner right now. He was however a great cover and run support CB before his injury.

Michael Huff is not included because I see him as more of a safety than a CB although he could very well ended up playing CB in the pros.

playmaker1
03-16-2006, 10:17 PM
That's a very good question. Jimmy Williams is probably the most physically gifted of the CBs which is why he was often used as a safety in some of VT schemes.
Tye Hill may be the best pure cover corner not only because of his quickness but because of his recovery speed. Is a lot like DeAngelo Hall of the Falcons.

Antonio Cromartie hasn't played in a year so it's difficult to see what he's like as a corner right now. He was however a great cover and run support CB before his injury.

Michael Huff is not included because I see him as more of a safety than a CB although he could very well ended up playing CB in the pros.

Williams is a very talented CB. Hill is fast, but is smaller. That matter alot when he will cover a WR that is 6'3''. Recovery speed wont help you there.
Cromarite didnt play last year, but is very talented. He prooved at the combine that he hasen't lost a step

Geforce
03-17-2006, 12:01 AM
Williams is a very talented CB. Hill is fast, but is smaller. That matter alot when he will cover a WR that is 6'3''. Recovery speed wont help you there.
Cromarite didnt play last year, but is very talented. He prooved at the combine that he hasen't lost a step
Having watched Hill against FSU and Georgia Tech as well as in the Senior Bowl, he has very little trouble against taller and bigger receiver. The only time he may have trouble is in some jump ball situations. At this time, I view him as a Darryl Green type of corner and Green was only 5'8".

Jaj
03-17-2006, 02:34 AM
I don't even think he'll have that much trouble though. He has long arms and is just under 5-10, and has a 42 inch vertical leap so he can do the job well. Hey Nathan Vasher is the same height and can't jump quite as high.

Kobe
03-17-2006, 02:39 AM
Hill will the be the best pro in my opinion, and I would LOVE to see him in a dolphins uni. I have been a fan of him for a while now.

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2006/03/bg-1.jpg

I made that like 5 months ago :goof:

Jaj
03-17-2006, 02:47 AM
Hill will the be the best pro in my opinion, and I would LOVE to see him in a dolphins uni. I have been a fan of him for a while now.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y271/masknought/bg.jpg

I made that like 5 months ago :goof:

Yep...

The only bad thing is that he's 23 turning 24, but Ronnie is already 24 and whatever...

I just don't understand the whole thing against Tye Hill. His vertical more than makes up for his lack of ideal height and it's not like he's 5-8, he's 5-10 and HE CAN FLY. Think about this way, he'll be able to catch Reuben Droughns when he breaks away from the defense unlike Daniels/Madison.

sports24/7
03-17-2006, 05:10 AM
I think Huff will be a CB in the NFL and if thats the case he would be. Other than that Cromartie is the best if he's healthy and Ty Hill would be next IMO.

@@@
03-17-2006, 11:35 AM
IMO huff is a natural safety so i would say the best corner at this point is either Hill or Allen, Cromartie i feel however is not as polished at this stage but has the highest celling and to me is the best prospect

popularwar
03-17-2006, 11:40 AM
I think I'll have to go with Jimmy Williams from VT.

Finsfan79
03-17-2006, 11:57 AM
Huff is the best but he is a top 10 pick and will be long gone

Hill will go between 10 to 20 range. He has a great leaping ability and ran with a 4.3 speed at the combine. He is a good coverage corner too. But he is small.

Jimmy Williams is a 10 to 20 pick. His talent is there to play corner or safety but he projects as more of a safety within the NFL. He has all of the abilities you want but his stock has fallen because he has alot of problems off of the field.

Antonio Cromartie is a late 1st to early 2nd round pick. His stock isnt that high because of his injury concerns but otherwise he has the size and hip movements to be a great Cornerback and a shut down one at that. He is a risk though.

Ko Simpson Safety SC - He is raw in potential but he is a middle 1st round pick to late 1st. I put him on here because he is a DB. He has the ability to make the big time hit, the hands to make the INT and he can tackle better then any safety in the draft.

Donte Whitner S OSU - big time player that has been raising his draft stock. The question with him is that he played on a very very very talented defense and how much was him and how much was his team? I expect him to be a late 1st to early 2nd round pick.

Kelly Jennings CB UM - little on the small side but he is another fast CB with blanketing coverage ability. Miami corners have a good reputation will be a end of the round 1st or middle 2nd range

Richard Marshall CB - His stock has risen because he is coached by bellichek's friernd in college. He has the size and had a great bowl. He has good speed and coverage abilities.

Jason Allen S - He is a safety more then a CB, but he is top talent when healthy. He could come in and start if he is indeed healthy. His 40 times were nice and opened eyes but like cromartie he has injury concerns. 2nd rounder most likely

there is quite a few others but those are the main group.

Jonathan Joseph
Minter
Bing S USC
Zemantis
Phillips
Griffin



hope that helps some for you.

Phishstix
03-17-2006, 12:57 PM
this depends on what is being ranked here. hill is prob. the best cover corner in the draft, but he's not very physical, while j. williams is the best run-support cb by a good margin, but his mediocre hip movement wil hurt him vs faster wrs. cromartie ilicits the most intrigue and has the best size/speed combo, but he is raw and has injury concerns. youboty may have the best all around skills, but he may take a nap or two at times. out of all of them, i'd say williams would fit our system the best b/c of his tackling ability and the frame to beat up wrs at the line.

Geforce
03-17-2006, 01:20 PM
IMO huff is a natural safety so i would say the best corner at this point is either Hill or Allen, Cromartie i feel however is not as polished at this stage but has the highest celling and to me is the best prospect
Jason Allen has played more safety than corner but is probably equally adept at playing both.

Geforce
03-17-2006, 01:26 PM
hill is prob. the best cover corner in the draft, but he's not very physical,
That's interesting you would say that because Hill says his toughness is one of his best qualities.
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/interviews/tyehill/tyehill.html

Springveldt
03-17-2006, 02:18 PM
Hill will go between 10 to 20 range. He has a great leaping ability and ran with a 4.3 speed at the combine. He is a good coverage corner too. But he is small.
Technically he's not small, he's of average height, just small when playing in the land of the giants.:wink:
As has already been pointed out he had a 42 inch vertical jump so he will not lose many jump balls as he should be able to get his hands up in there and knock it down.

DcRy82
03-17-2006, 02:54 PM
i think the reason that Hill isnt a "saban type player" (which i hate when people say that) is because he didnt play much zone in college and we run a lot of zone.. not to say that he cant, but i think that is what people are referring to when they talk about ty hill.

Phishstix
03-17-2006, 05:33 PM
That's interesting you would say that because Hill says his toughness is one of his best qualities.
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/interviews/tyehill/tyehill.html

well, of course he's gonna think he's physical, i'de expect nothing less. but, it's one thing beating up and chopping down wake forest wrs and rbs; it's another thing doing it in the league.

Geforce
03-17-2006, 06:33 PM
well, of course he's gonna think he's physical, i'de expect nothing less. but, it's one thing beating up and chopping down wake forest wrs and rbs; it's another thing doing it in the league.
Dude, don't make this personal. I only relayed what Hill said. You also forget that FSU, Va Tech, Miami and Georgia Tech plays in the ACC.

Hill is only an inch and a half shorter, about the same weight and much faster than Sam Madison. Madison may not have been the most physical CB but he was willing (most of the time) to come up and support. Do not judge him based on his size if you have not seen him play.