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foozool13
03-17-2006, 05:24 PM
here is my question? Who is the best corner in college football? i dont watch college ball at all so i'm not familiar with teh talent pool. But i do think we take a CB with our first round pick

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miabrown23
03-17-2006, 05:25 PM
i hope we take cromartie

TXFinFan
03-17-2006, 05:26 PM
Jimmy Williams or Michael Huff if he somehow falls to us.

miabrown23
03-17-2006, 05:27 PM
Jimmy Williams or Michael Huff if he somehow falls to us.jimmy williams would be hard to pass on ireally dont think huff will fall to us

phinfan_1
03-17-2006, 05:27 PM
http://www.finheaven.com/boardvb2/showthread.php?t=131105

foozool13
03-17-2006, 05:29 PM
my bad on the repost.. how do i merge it?

Mexican Buc
03-17-2006, 05:30 PM
Jimmy Williams or Michael Huff if he somehow falls to us.

Your not wrong but you are dreaming. Jimmy is the best CB, but no way in God's green earth does Huff fall to the Fins.

RWhitney014
03-17-2006, 05:30 PM
my bad on the repost.. how do i merge it?

Mods will do it for you.

DcRy82
03-17-2006, 05:32 PM
i want williams or cromartie with our first pick whether it be staying at 16 or trading down.

playmaker1
03-17-2006, 05:47 PM
trade down, take Simpson at S, or cromartie. I think both will be there in the late round. We could use the pick we might be able to ge tfor trading down

Motion
03-17-2006, 06:23 PM
trade down, take Simpson at S, or cromartie. I think both will be there in the late round. We could use the pick we might be able to ge tfor trading down

I Agree

Jaj
03-17-2006, 06:24 PM
Cromartie sure as hell won't. He just made his case for #1 overall pure CB.

arsenal
03-17-2006, 06:26 PM
im starting to think we dont draft a CB in round one... we have a whole bunch of young inexperienced guys already... adding another one isn't going to do much good at this point... i definately think we need some kinda veteran corner who can help these young guys and i think in the draft we might not take a corner at all unless its someone who unexpectingly drops and we cant pass him up...

playmaker1
03-17-2006, 06:37 PM
im starting to think we dont draft a CB in round one... we have a whole bunch of young inexperienced guys already... adding another one isn't going to do much good at this point... i definately think we need some kinda veteran corner who can help these young guys and i think in the draft we might not take a corner at all unless its someone who unexpectingly drops and we cant pass him up...

I agree Arsenal. We do have alot of young guys at CB. But with all the injury problems we have had, I see Us at least using one of our draft picks to get another CB. I think there are alot of good CB in the draft, and alot of them would be upgrades over the guyswe have right now. I do agree it would be nice to add a vet of some sort to help mentor our young guys, but I do see us drafting someone. We gave up alot of big plays last year, and got burnt. We need someone who can step in and help out. I think we can get a guy like that in the first round

thepoolboy
03-17-2006, 06:40 PM
I think the run on DBs will start with or around our pick. I don't think we can go wrong with Allen or Cromartie. Williams displayed some character concerns during his interviews at the Combine so this may be a red flag. Hill is an excellent athlete and has performed well at the Senior Bowl and Combine but he is a bit short and is suspect in run support. As noted above, I like Allen or Cromartie with our pick.

arsenal
03-17-2006, 06:45 PM
I agree Arsenal. We do have alot of young guys at CB. But with all the injury problems we have had, I see Us at least using one of our draft picks to get another CB. I think there are alot of good CB in the draft, and alot of them would be upgrades over the guyswe have right now. I do agree it would be nice to add a vet of some sort to help mentor our young guys, but I do see us drafting someone. We gave up alot of big plays last year, and got burnt. We need someone who can step in and help out. I think we can get a guy like that in the first round

i mean yeah, its just an idea... i mean we just signed reynaldo hill and goodman, and we're still looking for one more it seems with will allen coming in for a visit... if we were to sign allen, that would be like 8 CBs on our roster, and i jus tdont think you sign all these guys if you also plan on drafting one...

i dont know though, maybe he just wants a lot of bodies to choose from... we'll see though

thepoolboy
03-17-2006, 06:52 PM
i mean yeah, its just an idea... i mean we just signed reynaldo hill and goodman, and we're still looking for one more it seems with will allen coming in for a visit... if we were to sign allen, that would be like 8 CBs on our roster, and i jus tdont think you sign all these guys if you also plan on drafting one...

i dont know though, maybe he just wants a lot of bodies to choose from... we'll see though

One issue with the guys being brought in is that none of them fit the bill as a "shutdown" corner. I still feel we need that kind of talent. Cromartie might fit in that regard as, without his injury, he is a likely top five talent.

playmaker1
03-17-2006, 07:07 PM
One issue with the guys being brought in is that none of them fit the bill as a "shutdown" corner. I still feel we need that kind of talent. Cromartie might fit in that regard as, without his injury, he is a likely top five talent.

I totally agree

twix2500
03-17-2006, 07:11 PM
If Williams or Huff are available at 16 then they will be the pick. But thats highly unlikely. So I think the Phins are thinking Ashton Youboty, Marcus McNeill, or Winston Justice. If we dont get Ashwourth than McNeill or Justice will be the pick. Before we got Shelton I was worried about them because they are not Left tackles in college. But now we are in the market for a right tackle with Shelton on board, so McNeill and Justice fit in perfect. I hope Hadnot can excell at center so we can utilize one of these talented tackles in this draft

Shelton - James - Hadnot - Carey - Justice or McNeill

Thats talent across the board

Ideally I think we should trade down. I think the value may be equal for us all the way down to the last pick of the first round.

thepoolboy
03-17-2006, 07:19 PM
If Williams or Huff are available at 16 then they will be the pick. But thats highly unlikely. So I think the Phins are thinking Ashton Youboty, Marcus McNeill, or Winston Justice. If we dont get Ashwourth than McNeill or Justice will be the pick. Before we got Shelton I was worried about them because they are not Left tackles in college. But now we are in the market for a right tackle with Shelton on board, so McNeill and Justice fit in perfect. I hope Hadnot can excell at center so we can utilize one of these talented tackles in this draft

Shelton - James - Hadnot - Carey - Justice or McNeill

Thats talent across the board

Ideally I think we should trade down. I think the value may be equal for us all the way down to the last pick of the first round.

Williams rubbed many people the wrong way during his interviews at the combine. This will likely be of great concern for Saban. As for Huff and Justice, if either is available at 16, I'm sure Saban will be all over them...not likely though.

phinfan_1
03-17-2006, 07:19 PM
I know one thing after losing a great corner like Madison as of right now our secondary is in worse shape than it was last year.
We definitely need to get a good corner either in free agency or the draft.
I'm a big Culpepper fan and I'd rather have Culpepper than the 2nd pick but man I'm really missin that 2nd pick.

thepoolboy
03-17-2006, 07:24 PM
I know one thing after losing a great corner like Madison as of right now our secondary is in worse shape than it was last year.
We definitely need to get a good corner either in free agency or the draft.
I'm a big Culpepper fan and I'd rather have Culpepper than the 2nd pick but man I'm really missin that 2nd pick.

Look at it from this POV...who would you rather have, Daunte Culpepper or Matt Roth / Eddie Moore? I bring this up as they were our last two second round picks. Culpepper is far more talented and proven than any QB in this draft and we didn't have to "sell-out" or pay $20+ million in guanatees to get him. It was an extraordinarily solid move.

phinfan_1
03-17-2006, 07:28 PM
Look at it from this POV...who would you rather have, Daunte Culpepper or Matt Roth / Eddie Moore? I bring this up as they were our last two second round picks. Culpepper is far more talented and proven than any QB in this draft and we didn't have to "sell-out" or pay $20+ million in guanatees to get him. It was an extraordinarily solid move.
I agree...I wanted Culpepper all along. A 2nd round pick is nothing for a starting probowl QB.

playmaker1
03-17-2006, 07:28 PM
Look at it from this POV...who would you rather have, Daunte Culpepper or Matt Roth / Eddie Moore? I bring this up as they were our last two second round picks. Culpepper is far more talented and proven than any QB in this draft and we didn't have to "sell-out" or pay $20+ million in guanatees to get him. It was an extraordinarily solid move.

well said

Geforce
03-17-2006, 07:44 PM
One issue with the guys being brought in is that none of them fit the bill as a "shutdown" corner. I still feel we need that kind of talent. Cromartie might fit in that regard as, without his injury, he is a likely top five talent.
With the league empasis on enforcing the 5yd chuck rule, the term "shutdown corner" is misused. No CB can totally shut down the better receivers without help.