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Csonkanator
03-17-2006, 09:16 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=2372493&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab5pos2

The new mock draft from ESPN insider Todd McShay (as far as i know).....He has us taking Chad Jackson with the 16th.....I would absolutely love to have speedy Jackson to add with Chambers and Booker, but can we really afford to do this? I mean we have two very capable recievers with the afformentioned duo, and no matter how much better our corps would be with him, i still think, IMO, that we could use #16 to pick up, say, a Winston Justice (who would be awsome, again, IMO) What does everyone else think? Good/Bad move? I'd love it, but i feel we have other pressing needs....But just imagine Culpeppers 80 yard bombs to that speedster...oh man...:dolphins:

Adam First
03-17-2006, 09:17 PM
I don't think so.

vinlakers22
03-17-2006, 09:19 PM
i think improving the secondary is our biggest need. we need to address this in the first round, hopefully with jimmy williams, if he is gone maybe cromartie or another corner

Csonkanator
03-17-2006, 09:20 PM
I think Tye Hill would be intriguing at 16...He's quick with good skills for only being 5"9"

srdnaty
03-17-2006, 09:21 PM
i kind of like the idea of a another potentally great wr. it should be interesting.

Redneck Friend
03-17-2006, 09:22 PM
winston justice is NOT a 1st round pic. he would end up
as a rt tackle and we don't need one so bad we spend #16
on one.

the wr would be ok, but safety and corner are bigger needs.

i think NICK MANGOLD, the center from ohio state will be
the pic though.

just a feeling........

Csonkanator
03-17-2006, 09:24 PM
good opinions...appreciate it

IAFINFAN
03-17-2006, 09:26 PM
winston justice is NOT a 1st round pic. he would end up
as a rt tackle and we don't need one so bad we spend #16
on one.

the wr would be ok, but safety and corner are bigger needs.

i think NICK MANGOLD, the center from ohio state will be
the pic though.

just a feeling........

He would be an awesome get, great C and would be for a long time. ALso very smart. No complaints here if that turns out to be the way Saban and Miami go.

bojang1es187
03-17-2006, 09:29 PM
i woulsnt be disappointed with jackson but an o lineman wouldnt hurt like justice but if hes not there i think winston from the U wouldnt be bad hes been a first round prospect since b4 his knee injury and was still one at the end of last season. just because his stock is dropping because he isnt "popular" doesnt mean he isnt any less talented.

$$BWCJR78$$
03-17-2006, 09:31 PM
Just a thought but how funny would it be if cutler fell in the draft and vikings still didn't have a qb for the future and wanted cutler. We could make like we really want him and play them into moving up the 1 spot to get their qb and we could get our 2 round pick or theirs back in the process. then we would pick 17 and have a pick in the second.how funny would that be.:D

sportzz13
03-17-2006, 09:33 PM
I think if Jimmy Williams is gone, then we might look at Chad Johnson. As far as Tye Hill is concerned, I dont think he is good enought to be taken with the 16 pick. I like Tye Hill alot, but I dont see him being taken till the late 1st round, early 2nd. Remember, Saben said that he will take the best player available when it comes to the draft. So who ever Saben feels is the best player on the board, then we will be drafting him.

Shouright
03-17-2006, 09:35 PM
Here's what I posted in VIP about why Jackson is the right pick for us:

1) This is a vertical offense without a "vertical" receiver right now. Chambers is in the possession role and probably won't be moving from there after his first pro-bowl season. Even if Chambers is moved to the downfield role, I question his speed. He ran a 4.31 at his pro day on the Wisconsin track that just elevated Brian Calhoun's 40 time from the 4.6 range (at the combine) to the 4.4 range, and that means Chambers could be a 4.5 guy in 4.3 guy's clothing. This offense requires a bona fide 4.3 guy, and Jackson is it.

2) Jackson would provide the speed on the outside that would allow us to create potentially the biggest mismatch on offense we could possibly create: Chris Chambers on a nickel/slot corner with Daunte Culpepper throwing to him. Jackson and Booker are outside, Chambers is in the slot, where he was very effective as a rookie. You thought Wes Welker made some plays? Wait till you see Chris Chambers matched up on a nickel/slot corner catching passes from Daunte Culpepper.... :chuckle:

(And by the way, Steve Spurrier made a career out of matching good WR talent up against inferior corner talent.)

3) If you're gonna trade a #2 for Daunte Culpepper, give him the weapons he needs on the field to make use of his unique strengths, which are his strength and accuracy with the deep ball. Jackson ran a bona fide 4.32 at the combine, and he's big and strong enough to take NFL hits and keep on truckin', unlike the Sinorice Mosses of the world.

4) The biggest drop-off in talent/value after the top-tier guys in the draft this year is at WR. If we don't get Jackson or Santonio Holmes, there's nobody left who can create the kind of impact they can (see the end of point #3).

5) Saban appears to be trying to plug all of our holes through agency so that he can draft who he wants in the 1st. Where won't he be able to plug a hole in free agency? Wide receiver. There's nobody out there this year.

And that's all I got to say about that.... :wink:

dolphin23
03-17-2006, 09:38 PM
I definetly think that we should go D for our 1st pick we've put in so much lately in our offense ie. carey, brown and now cpep. It's time to put new and exciting talent in our D be it db, lb.

KB21
03-17-2006, 09:38 PM
I think McShay is ripping off some of my information! I've been saying, in the VIP area, that Chad Jackson was a definite target of the Dolphins for almost a month now. It's just now getting out there to the so called draft experts at other services.

DBoston80
03-17-2006, 09:38 PM
Here's what I posted in VIP about why Jackson is the right pick for us:

1) This is a vertical offense without a "vertical" receiver right now. Chambers is in the possession role and probably won't be moving from there after his first pro-bowl season. Even if Chambers is moved to the downfield role, I question his speed. He ran a 4.31 at his pro day on the Wisconsin track that just elevated Brian Calhoun's 40 time from the 4.6 range (at the combine) to the 4.4 range, and that means Chambers could be a 4.5 guy in 4.3 guy's clothing. This offense requires a bona fide 4.3 guy, and Jackson is it.

2) Jackson would provide the speed on the outside that would allow us to create potentially the biggest mismatch on offense we could possibly create: Chris Chambers on a nickel/slot corner with Daunte Culpepper throwing to him. Jackson and Booker are outside, Chambers is in the slot, where he was very effective as a rookie. You thought Wes Welker made some plays? Wait till you see Chris Chambers matched up on a nickel/slot corner catching passes from Daunte Culpepper.... :chuckle:

(And by the way, Steve Spurrier made a career out of matching good WR talent up against inferior corner talent.)

3) If you're gonna trade a #2 for Daunte Culpepper, give him the weapons he needs on the field to make use of his unique strengths, which are his strength and accuracy with the deep ball. Jackson ran a bona fide 4.32 at the combine, and he's big and strong enough to take NFL hits and keep on truckin', unlike the Sinorice Mosses of the world.

4) The biggest drop-off in talent/value after the top-tier guys in the draft this year is at WR. If we don't get Jackson or Santonio Holmes, there's nobody left who can create the kind of impact they can (see the end of point #3).

5) Saban appears to be trying to plug all of our holes through agency so that he can draft who he wants in the 1st. Where won't he be able to plug a hole in free agency? Wide receiver. There's nobody out there this year.

And that's all I got to say about that.... :wink:

I agree totally, if your gonna get the QB you gotta give hinm the weopans to produce...Chad or Santonio would be fine with me also.

Shouright
03-17-2006, 09:40 PM
KB has definitely been on the Chad Jackson wagon in VIP WAY before the rest of these guys. And I've been right there with him -- I think he was driving and I was riding shotgun.... :lol:

Shouright
03-17-2006, 09:42 PM
I agree totally, if your gonna get the QB you gotta give hinm the weopans to produce...Chad or Santonio would be fine with me also.Check below my username -- I'm a Bucks fan too, but I don't want Santonio. I want Jackson. Jackson's 213 and all muscle, and he's faster than Santonio too.

finhead343
03-17-2006, 09:48 PM
That would work, picture this. 2nd and 5. 4 reciever set with Ronnie B. the WR? The excution Chamber, Welker, Booker and Jackson.

Hey D? Double and Die!

TRUDOLFAN54
03-17-2006, 09:53 PM
man i would love that pick that kid is a stud has good hands and blazing speed and he very well could be there at #16. now with everything that happen some players will drop including some qb's so it's not unreal that he won't be there get daute as many players as possible be even more dangerous..

stickman
03-17-2006, 09:56 PM
I think we go defense in the first round. While I like Jackson, is he a reach at 16?

ASUFinFan
03-17-2006, 09:56 PM
I would love for us to draft jackson in the first...maybe that is who will complement CC and booker like Saban has been talking about. Jackson is a speedster and would fit perfectly in our offense.

MartinTheSNAKE
03-17-2006, 09:59 PM
i would love jackson also, but we have to fix our secondary in the offseason, aka NOW in order to then get a wr

all im askin for is a vet who can still play, one player who id love is ty law get him resign shulters and our D will be decent, but who cares our O will be POTENT

phinphan11
03-17-2006, 10:01 PM
I think we go defense in the first round. While I like Jackson, is he a reach at 16?

That's all relative.... a few years back the experts would be saying that Tom Brady was a 'reach' for the third round.....we all know the rest of the story.

Nicky Napoleon
03-17-2006, 10:01 PM
The great thing about drafting a guy like Jackson is he gives us that true deep threat. Chambers is best when you give him the ball and let him make things happen. Jackson has the size and speed to just out run CB's and then out jump them!

Nicky Napoleon
03-17-2006, 10:03 PM
As far as the secondary, if you add a guy like Arrington who can flat out get after the QB, pair him with Taylor and your secondary will look alot better. If a QB has no time to make reads and go through his progressions he cant make any throws.

BigDogsHunt
03-17-2006, 10:04 PM
I think McShay is ripping off some of my information! I've been saying, in the VIP area, that Chad Jackson was a definite target of the Dolphins for almost a month now. It's just now getting out there to the so called draft experts at other services.

LOL...following the College Skills Challenge and then backing it up in the combine, I posted in the "Ask Boomer" if we had any notion of using our #16 on the likes of Chad Jackson.

Both CK, and Boomer, stated that while you KB were high on him in the VIP, they both didnt like for favor it over a DB or DT.

Personally, I would love it....but can appreciate the belief that our 3rd down defense was horrendous last year, and if FA doesnt answer those questions it would be hard to take WR over them.

Thats why I am hoping we use FA on the D side to free up Saban come draft day. And so far outside of Culpepper and Shelton (QB and LT), we have gone hard on the D with LB and CB/S in FA. Hopefully we get a top OLB, DT/NT, and maybe another DB in FA and have the ability to grab Chad to really fill our Offensive Skill position players for years to come.

ASUFinFan
03-17-2006, 10:05 PM
i would love jackson also, but we have to fix our secondary in the offseason, aka NOW in order to then get a wr

all im askin for is a vet who can still play, one player who id love is ty law get him resign shulters and our D will be decent, but who cares our O will be POTENT

there is a ton of time to fix our secondary, more players will be cut also. Ty law is interested in playing here thats for sure, hes already stated that and that was before the DCulpepper trade. I would like to see Arrington signed soon myself. Our offense should be very good this year.

Lazy1
03-17-2006, 10:08 PM
Here's what I posted in VIP about why Jackson is the right pick for us:

1) This is a vertical offense without a "vertical" receiver right now. Chambers is in the possession role and probably won't be moving from there after his first pro-bowl season. Even if Chambers is moved to the downfield role, I question his speed. He ran a 4.31 at his pro day on the Wisconsin track that just elevated Brian Calhoun's 40 time from the 4.6 range (at the combine) to the 4.4 range, and that means Chambers could be a 4.5 guy in 4.3 guy's clothing. This offense requires a bona fide 4.3 guy, and Jackson is it.

2) Jackson would provide the speed on the outside that would allow us to create potentially the biggest mismatch on offense we could possibly create: Chris Chambers on a nickel/slot corner with Daunte Culpepper throwing to him. Jackson and Booker are outside, Chambers is in the slot, where he was very effective as a rookie. You thought Wes Welker made some plays? Wait till you see Chris Chambers matched up on a nickel/slot corner catching passes from Daunte Culpepper.... :chuckle:

(And by the way, Steve Spurrier made a career out of matching good WR talent up against inferior corner talent.)

3) If you're gonna trade a #2 for Daunte Culpepper, give him the weapons he needs on the field to make use of his unique strengths, which are his strength and accuracy with the deep ball. Jackson ran a bona fide 4.32 at the combine, and he's big and strong enough to take NFL hits and keep on truckin', unlike the Sinorice Mosses of the world.

4) The biggest drop-off in talent/value after the top-tier guys in the draft this year is at WR. If we don't get Jackson or Santonio Holmes, there's nobody left who can create the kind of impact they can (see the end of point #3).

5) Saban appears to be trying to plug all of our holes through agency so that he can draft who he wants in the 1st. Where won't he be able to plug a hole in free agency? Wide receiver. There's nobody out there this year.

And that's all I got to say about that.... :wink:

I dont understand how you say chambers is our possesion guy. Chambers is already our downfield threat as that is where he does the most damage and will continue to be the most dangerous. I like Chad Jackson alot and i saw him play alot as i am a student at UF, but at the same time i dont like to discredit A guy like chambers as he is a perfect reciever to play along with Daunte. I think jackson is an option but i think we take a guy in the secondary first off if there is one of value, Tye Hill should be around there and i think he would be a real nice pick. If a guy like Huff falls to us, it becomes a no-brainer imo that he is our guy. Long shot though.

vanquenton
03-17-2006, 10:34 PM
I thought Miami signed or was going to sign Kelly Cambpell to be the downfield threat?

Lazy1
03-17-2006, 10:56 PM
I thought Miami signed or was going to sign Kelly Cambpell to be the downfield threat?

If we sign cambpell it will be more for punt returner than anything else. He would be our 3rd/4th reciever if that.

Austin Tatious
03-17-2006, 11:00 PM
I would have bought into Chad Jackson in the first but when we gave up our second round pick, now I am thinking corner. We could have gotten a good corner in the 2nd, but not having that pick hurts. I think Tye Hill is the pick unless we get another top drawer corner in free agency.

Wide receivers are a dime a dozen, and top corners are not.

vmarcilfan75
03-17-2006, 11:08 PM
If we sign cambpell it will be more for punt returner than anything else. He would be our 3rd/4th reciever if that.

thats Welkers job no?
Were "expected" to sign Campbell. So our WR lineup would look like this
WR-Chambers
WR-Booker
WR-Campbell
WR-Welker
WR-Boston(?)

Look like enough WRs for me(well atleast a 1st rounder)..I say we go D with the #16

Lazy1
03-17-2006, 11:16 PM
thats Welkers job no?
Were "expected" to sign Campbell. So our WR lineup would look like this
WR-Chambers
WR-Booker
WR-Campbell
WR-Welker
WR-Boston(?)

Look like enough WRs for me(well atleast a 1st rounder)..I say we go D with the #16

Campbell would def see alot of time as a wr, but he would take the kick returner(i mean to say kr, not pr before) job from welker, as welker would stay as our pr. If we sign campbell it would be a boost to ST but we would most likely still look to upgrade the 3rd reciver, Campbell would be filling the Bryan Gillmore role IMO.

Warchant26
03-17-2006, 11:19 PM
Picking up Chad Jackson at #16 is like the Lions picking up Mike Williams at #10...its just not worth it even though there is enormous talent, size, + ability

FinaticalOne
03-18-2006, 12:35 AM
Drafting Chad Jackson would be very interesting if we addressed all needs in free agency. Truthfully, I won't discount the fact that we have Will Poole and Shirdonya Mitchell coming back this year. I would like to give Poole and Mitchell a chance to battle it out with Andre Goodman for the RCB spot, and then let the pieces fall in place there.

If we sign LaVar Arrington or Julian Peterson, I would look to trade down in the draft and pick up an extra pick. The DB position is very very deep this year, and we could grab one in the third round. If we trade down, I would draft Max Jean-Gilles or Nick Mangold, then go DB in the third.

Nicky Napoleon
03-18-2006, 12:39 AM
I would have bought into Chad Jackson in the first but when we gave up our second round pick, now I am thinking corner. We could have gotten a good corner in the 2nd, but not having that pick hurts. I think Tye Hill is the pick unless we get another top drawer corner in free agency.

Wide receivers are a dime a dozen, and top corners are not.

I think that if Saban has a choice between Tye Hill and Antonio Cromartie, Hill will be there at 17. Cromartie has better size, and better talent. Had he stayed in school he would likely have at worst top 10 pick in 2007.

Psychosikes
03-18-2006, 01:19 AM
after cromartie's pro day, i don't think he'll be there at 16... shame

Motion
03-18-2006, 02:08 AM
I'd love to have CJ, I've been saying that for awhile now. Jackson or Simpson. All these people keep saying WR is not a need, well heaven forbid one of our 2 top guys get injured cause we'd be in serious trouble.

SEAFinFan
03-18-2006, 03:53 AM
Hoping for Ashton Youboty from Ohio State great corner, and should still be there he's 2nd rated CB in the draft.

playmaker1
03-18-2006, 04:25 AM
I understand the WRs we could get in round one would be amazing. But its our D that needs work. LB or secondary. Guys who wont give up big plays. I like the WRs we have. I think now that we have real QB, DC will make CC, booker, Mcmike and Wes all have hugh years

playmaker1
03-18-2006, 04:28 AM
Picking up Chad Jackson at #16 is like the Lions picking up Mike Williams at #10...its just not worth it even though there is enormous talent, size, + ability

well said

mia4ever
03-18-2006, 09:21 AM
I think McShay is ripping off some of my information! I've been saying, in the VIP area, that Chad Jackson was a definite target of the Dolphins for almost a month now. It's just now getting out there to the so called draft experts at other services.


wait a minute
wait a minute

I was the 1st to say I wanted a Wr !!!















jk:dolphins:

Skeet84
03-18-2006, 05:23 PM
Picking up Chad Jackson at #16 is like the Lions picking up Mike Williams at #10...its just not worth it even though there is enormous talent, size, + ability


Interesting comment about Gator from a Noles fan, But I am sure that had nothing to do with it!

If Nick Sabn thinks Chad Jackson will be better than anyone left he will take him. We do need a Solid 3rd WR

Canadi-Phin
03-18-2006, 07:46 PM
I think as long as jackson is the best player left we take him. The best thing about FA this year is we have filled lots of need positions which allows us to take the BPA and still have players in spots of need. If we get someone like Arrington then really the secondary has lots of players coming back from injury and we have added some players like Goodman and Hill. Plus have Tillman, bell, Daniels, Poole, and Mitchell. I think Saban has giving himself the best chance to pick whoever he lieks the most at our spot. Right now I'm stuck on the state of Florida in the first, Jackson, Bunkley, and Cromartie all fill needs that we have. For everyone who doesn't want Jackson in the first. What if Chambers or Booker go down with injury. What is Booker's cap number next year, will he actually be on the team? Jackson is a great player looking into the future of this great team of ours. I'm not discounting the age of the D but Receiver would be a need if either Marty "I'm not get any younger" Booker or Chambers got hurt. Not bad having a young guy learn the ropes. We have much more depth at Dline or LB if we can pick up Arrington or Peterson. Receivers are very thin.

Warchant26
03-18-2006, 07:57 PM
Interesting comment about Gator from a Noles fan, But I am sure that had nothing to do with it!

If Nick Sabn thinks Chad Jackson will be better than anyone left he will take him. We do need a Solid 3rd WR

Haha, I never even thought of that :tongue:

But nah, Chad Jackson is, the best WR in the 2006 draft. Just look at his muscles :cooldude: I didn't think he was thinking clearly when he declared for the draft but when I saw him at many of the drills and the college equivalent to the NFL Skills Competition, I saw that he is a beast. Enuff said

Miamifin23
03-18-2006, 11:27 PM
I'd be all for drafting Jackson. I feel we need to upgrade our secondary first but who knows. I lean more towards the BPA idea.