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like2god
03-18-2006, 09:24 PM
Who are they and do you think any of them will fall to us at 16? Who is your favorite and what are their strengths?

icephinfan
03-18-2006, 09:25 PM
Good ?:D

popularwar
03-18-2006, 09:29 PM
1. Michael Huff
2. Jimmy Williams
3.Antonio Cromartie
4.Tye Hill
5.Ko Simpson

Not a chance of Huff falling to us, but I'd gladly take Jimmy Williams from VT.

Skeet84
03-18-2006, 09:31 PM
That Actually all depends on who you ask.

My top 5 are
1. Michael Huff - Never fall to us Strengths: He has adequate height and is strong for his size. He possesses exceptional speed, especially for his size. He is a very good athlete at the safety position. He is versatile and can play a lot of different roles within a defensive scheme. He is heady and instinctive. He's as tough as it gets. Will fill hard vs. the run and does a good job getting through traffic. Has great range in run support and shows very good closing burst. He is a solid open-field tackler and packs a punch at the POA for a smaller DS. He has adequate size but plays a lot bigger than his measurables would indicate. He has become a punishing sideline-to-sideline run stopper. He has above average range and can continue to improve as he gets better adjusted to playing in so much space. He takes good angles to the ball and shows good closing quickness in coverage. Has above average man-to-man coverage skills for a DS. Has adequate ball skills. Will bat down a lot of passes and does a good job of fighting for the jump ball. He has great physical tools, mental makeup and tackling skills as a future special team's player in the NFL.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal bulk as an NFL safety. Plays like a strong safety but will struggle to match up in the box at the NFL level. Needs to improve his body mass and lower body strength. He has decent but not great ball skills. Still needs to improve his recognition skills in deep coverage. Will be a bit late to diagnose every once in a while and will struggle to make up for it in the NFL like he does in college.
2. Jimmy Williams - Strengths: Has rare size/speed combination. A versatile prospect with experience at DC and FS. He is an ideal fit as a press cover corner in a man-to-man scheme. He is tall, has long arms and is strong for the position. He does a good job of pressing WRs at the LOS and taking them out of their routes. He is surprisingly fluid for such a tall DC. Shows the quickness, hips and top-end speed to turn and run with any WR in the NFL if he opens up in time. He shows very good closing burst when the ball is in the air. He is physical and challenges the jump ball. His size gives him a big advantage in the red zone. He has developed excellent ball skills and is a playmaker with the ball in his hands. He fills hard vs. the run and has outstanding potential as a run support DC. He is an aggressive player who will throw his body around and mix it up. He flashes some upside when turned loose on the blitz. Also has experience returning punts.

Weaknesses: Comes off as arrogant and seems to run a lot of people the wrong way. His effort is too streaky. Still has work to do in terms of his consistency in coverage. Will gamble too much and won't get away with it as easily in the NFL. His recognition skills and awareness must improve. Will get caught peeking in the backfield at times and will leave himself vulnerable. He is much more effective in man-coverage than he is in zone. He seems less comfortable in space and needs to improve his ability to read the QB's eyes. Lacks ideal instincts and discipline in zone coverage. Plays out of control at times and will miss too many tackles.
3. Tye Hill - Strengths: Is a track star turned DC. Has blazing speed and is the fastest DC in this class. He has extremely fluid hips. Can turn and run vertically with any WR in the NFL. Is extremely quick in his back pedal. He has explosive closing burst and can make up a lot of ground when the ball is in the air. Shows very quick feet and good lateral movement skills. He has good leaping ability (39-inch vertical) and will challenge for the jump ball. Is tough for his size. Won't back down from a challenge. His ball skills continue to improve. He's doing a better job of finding the ball in the air and adjusting to it. Is also a threat on the return if he gets daylight. He will fill hard vs. the run. Lacks size but has decent strength and is a fundamentally sound tackler.

Weaknesses: Lacks great experience at the position. Has made huge strides in terms of technique and recognition skills but still is too inconsistent and needs more polish. He is undersized. Lacks height and bulk. Has developed into a good run-support DC, but will occasionally get run over by bigger backs. He will have trouble matching up against bigger WR's in the NFL and may never be more than a slot-corner, as a result.
4. Jonathan Joseph - Strengths: A fast-rising prospect with explosive speed. Is a fluid athlete with very good initial quickness and COD skills. He shows the ability to turn-and-run without losing much in transition. Is quick out of his pedal and shows good closing burst. Is able to make up a lot of ground when the ball is in the air. He shows good leaping ability and will challenge for the ball in traffic. Possesses natural playmaking instincts and very good ball skills. Is aggressive in run support. Willing and fills hard. Shows adequate strength and is an efficient tackler in space. Has some experience as a return specialist and showed some promise in that area  both as a PR and KOR.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal playing experience. Only played one full season at DI-A level. Shows inconsistent technique. Comes out of his pedal too high at times and will get off balance in those instances. Has a tendency to gamble and jump routes prematurely. Looks less comfortable in zone coverage and must improve his overall awareness in that facet. Durability is a concern following broken foot in 2004.
Ko Simpson - Strengths: Possesses good upside. Lacks ideal bulk but has the frame to get bigger. Is a powerful player for his size. He fills hard versus the run and has developed into a solid open field tackler. He flashes some explosive power at the point of attack. Is a ball-hawk with playmaking instincts. Shows adequate range in coverage. Possesses adequate-to-good speed and shows good closing burst to the ball. Shows outstanding ball skills. Has enough quickness and natural athleticism to match up versus bigger receivers one-on-one. Physical and tough. Also has the skills and mentality to contribute covering kicks on special teams.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal playing experience. Is still unpolished in terms of his overall technique and recognition skills. He can be over-aggressive at times and will get caught taking too many false steps vs. play-fake. He needs to play with more discipline. He lacks ideal bulk. Is aggressive and productive in run support but will struggle to get off of blocks as easily in the NFL. Does not possess the size to consistently match up "in the box". Needs to add bulk to his frame and improve his lower body strength.


The top 5 are mine and the Strengths and Weaknesses are from ESPN.

HysterikiLL
03-18-2006, 09:37 PM
1. Michael Huff
2. Jimmy Williams
3.Antonio Cromartie
4.Tye Hill
5.Ko Simpson

Not a chance of Huff falling to us, but I'd gladly take Jimmy Williams from VT.

I agree with that list. Cromartie and Williams should be there when we pick. I wouldn't actually be surprised to see Hill take a late Carlos Rogers-like jump to a team 11-15

Show Me Your TDs
03-18-2006, 09:37 PM
1. Michael Huff
2. Antonio Cromartie
3. Jason Allen
4. Jimmy Williams
5. Tye Hill

Phins28
03-18-2006, 09:37 PM
Great post skeet84 :up:

Show Me Your TDs
03-18-2006, 09:40 PM
Jason Allen has shown by his workouts that he is fully healed from his hip injury. He has the best agility numbers at the combine and has the smoothiest hips in the drills besides Cromartie. I don't think Williams will be able to play CB in the pros and has off field issues. If Tye Hill was taller I would place more in value in his stock but can't help to overvalue Allen and Cromartie's overall potential. Take it for what its worth.

Aqua4Ever04
03-18-2006, 09:42 PM
I think our first round pick should either be spent on Huff, Williams, or Cromartie in that order of importance. I doubt Huff falls to us at 16 but we have an outside shot at Williams and Cromartie will probably be there when we pick. If we end up with either of these three, I'll be estatic.

Show Me Your TDs
03-18-2006, 09:42 PM
But to answer the overall question who will be available:
1. Huff-no way
2. Cromartie-yes should be available.
3. Allen-Yes should be available
4. Williams-borderline available depending on how teams feel about him
5. Hill-should be available but may be gone

SEAFinFan
03-18-2006, 09:44 PM
Everything I've read around has Ashton Youboty as 2nd best CB in the draft. Has something changed?

Show Me Your TDs
03-18-2006, 09:44 PM
I think our first round pick should either be spent on Huff, Williams, or Cromartie in that order of importance. I doubt Huff falls to us at 16 but we have an outside shot at Williams and Cromartie will probably be there when we pick. If we end up with either of these three, I'll be estatic.


I would go Cromartie if we don't trade down. In a perfect world we slid back a few spots and select Jason Allen. This would solve our issue in the DB backfield to a certain degree.

like2god
03-18-2006, 09:55 PM
Great post Skeet, thanks

aerokev
03-18-2006, 10:13 PM
Everything I've read around has Ashton Youboty as 2nd best CB in the draft. Has something changed?

fans from florida putting cromartie into round 1 has changed. he will not be picked in round 1 at all

'Phins & 'Canes
03-18-2006, 11:01 PM
Guys, so what do you think the Saban/Mueller braintrust is thinking here?

Since we're picking at 16 and IF - that's IF - we're looking at CB at the spot first, with all that might be available in those first two rounds, do we try to trade down and pick up a 2nd selection for a move down in the first round and snag a CB later? That's IF we're confident we can fill the position with any number of guys on our board and IF we're looking CB first.

Now if someone like Winston Justice is there or if we're just so high on Jimmy Williams, then we might just go ahead and pull the trigger. But say Justice is gone and we have a chance to deal with a trade partner and pick up a selection, does anyone think that's what Saban and Mueller want to do ultimately? Might as well try to get a second back after giving ours up for DC.

wagz
03-18-2006, 11:15 PM
That Actually all depends on who you ask.

My top 5 are
1. Michael Huff - Never fall to us Strengths: He has adequate height and is strong for his size. He possesses exceptional speed, especially for his size. He is a very good athlete at the safety position. He is versatile and can play a lot of different roles within a defensive scheme. He is heady and instinctive. He's as tough as it gets. Will fill hard vs. the run and does a good job getting through traffic. Has great range in run support and shows very good closing burst. He is a solid open-field tackler and packs a punch at the POA for a smaller DS. He has adequate size but plays a lot bigger than his measurables would indicate. He has become a punishing sideline-to-sideline run stopper. He has above average range and can continue to improve as he gets better adjusted to playing in so much space. He takes good angles to the ball and shows good closing quickness in coverage. Has above average man-to-man coverage skills for a DS. Has adequate ball skills. Will bat down a lot of passes and does a good job of fighting for the jump ball. He has great physical tools, mental makeup and tackling skills as a future special team's player in the NFL.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal bulk as an NFL safety. Plays like a strong safety but will struggle to match up in the box at the NFL level. Needs to improve his body mass and lower body strength. He has decent but not great ball skills. Still needs to improve his recognition skills in deep coverage. Will be a bit late to diagnose every once in a while and will struggle to make up for it in the NFL like he does in college.
2. Jimmy Williams - Strengths: Has rare size/speed combination. A versatile prospect with experience at DC and FS. He is an ideal fit as a press cover corner in a man-to-man scheme. He is tall, has long arms and is strong for the position. He does a good job of pressing WRs at the LOS and taking them out of their routes. He is surprisingly fluid for such a tall DC. Shows the quickness, hips and top-end speed to turn and run with any WR in the NFL if he opens up in time. He shows very good closing burst when the ball is in the air. He is physical and challenges the jump ball. His size gives him a big advantage in the red zone. He has developed excellent ball skills and is a playmaker with the ball in his hands. He fills hard vs. the run and has outstanding potential as a run support DC. He is an aggressive player who will throw his body around and mix it up. He flashes some upside when turned loose on the blitz. Also has experience returning punts.

Weaknesses: Comes off as arrogant and seems to run a lot of people the wrong way. His effort is too streaky. Still has work to do in terms of his consistency in coverage. Will gamble too much and won't get away with it as easily in the NFL. His recognition skills and awareness must improve. Will get caught peeking in the backfield at times and will leave himself vulnerable. He is much more effective in man-coverage than he is in zone. He seems less comfortable in space and needs to improve his ability to read the QB's eyes. Lacks ideal instincts and discipline in zone coverage. Plays out of control at times and will miss too many tackles.
3. Tye Hill - Strengths: Is a track star turned DC. Has blazing speed and is the fastest DC in this class. He has extremely fluid hips. Can turn and run vertically with any WR in the NFL. Is extremely quick in his back pedal. He has explosive closing burst and can make up a lot of ground when the ball is in the air. Shows very quick feet and good lateral movement skills. He has good leaping ability (39-inch vertical) and will challenge for the jump ball. Is tough for his size. Won't back down from a challenge. His ball skills continue to improve. He's doing a better job of finding the ball in the air and adjusting to it. Is also a threat on the return if he gets daylight. He will fill hard vs. the run. Lacks size but has decent strength and is a fundamentally sound tackler.

Weaknesses: Lacks great experience at the position. Has made huge strides in terms of technique and recognition skills but still is too inconsistent and needs more polish. He is undersized. Lacks height and bulk. Has developed into a good run-support DC, but will occasionally get run over by bigger backs. He will have trouble matching up against bigger WR's in the NFL and may never be more than a slot-corner, as a result.
4. Jonathan Joseph - Strengths: A fast-rising prospect with explosive speed. Is a fluid athlete with very good initial quickness and COD skills. He shows the ability to turn-and-run without losing much in transition. Is quick out of his pedal and shows good closing burst. Is able to make up a lot of ground when the ball is in the air. He shows good leaping ability and will challenge for the ball in traffic. Possesses natural playmaking instincts and very good ball skills. Is aggressive in run support. Willing and fills hard. Shows adequate strength and is an efficient tackler in space. Has some experience as a return specialist and showed some promise in that area  both as a PR and KOR.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal playing experience. Only played one full season at DI-A level. Shows inconsistent technique. Comes out of his pedal too high at times and will get off balance in those instances. Has a tendency to gamble and jump routes prematurely. Looks less comfortable in zone coverage and must improve his overall awareness in that facet. Durability is a concern following broken foot in 2004.
Ko Simpson - Strengths: Possesses good upside. Lacks ideal bulk but has the frame to get bigger. Is a powerful player for his size. He fills hard versus the run and has developed into a solid open field tackler. He flashes some explosive power at the point of attack. Is a ball-hawk with playmaking instincts. Shows adequate range in coverage. Possesses adequate-to-good speed and shows good closing burst to the ball. Shows outstanding ball skills. Has enough quickness and natural athleticism to match up versus bigger receivers one-on-one. Physical and tough. Also has the skills and mentality to contribute covering kicks on special teams.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal playing experience. Is still unpolished in terms of his overall technique and recognition skills. He can be over-aggressive at times and will get caught taking too many false steps vs. play-fake. He needs to play with more discipline. He lacks ideal bulk. Is aggressive and productive in run support but will struggle to get off of blocks as easily in the NFL. Does not possess the size to consistently match up "in the box". Needs to add bulk to his frame and improve his lower body strength.


The top 5 are mine and the Strengths and Weaknesses are from ESPN.

thanks a lot bro

gofishn
03-18-2006, 11:17 PM
fans from florida putting cromartie into round 1 has changed. he will not be picked in round 1 at all
Well I was at FSU's pro day on Thursday and saw Cromartie run a 4.39. First rounder? Yes sir.

If he had played last year he would easily be the top corner in the draft. With his size, speed, and skill he will be an elite player at the next level.

Whitedolphin54
03-18-2006, 11:21 PM
Cromartie

MARINO1384
03-18-2006, 11:26 PM
Well I was at FSU's pro day on Thursday and saw Cromartie run a 4.39. First rounder? Yes sir.

If he had played last year he would easily be the top corner in the draft. With his size, speed, and skill he will be an elite player at the next level.

4.29!!!! WOW draft him now!!!! Saban can teach him to be great in the NFL for those who think he's not ready but a 4.29 you can't teach speed and size.

gofishn
03-18-2006, 11:28 PM
4.29!!!! WOW draft him now!!!! Saban can teach him to be great in the NFL for those who think he's not ready but a 4.29 you can't teach speed and size.

Sorry that was actually a typo, I fixed it and now its at 4.39, but some people there had him timed at 4.36 and faster.

phinfanNY08
03-18-2006, 11:42 PM
1. Michael Huff
2. Antonio Cromartie
3. Jason Allen
4. Jimmy Williams
5. Tye Hill

Huff
Allen
Williams
Hill
Zemaitas

Skeet84
03-18-2006, 11:42 PM
Sorry that was actually a typo, I fixed it and now its at 4.39, but some people there had him timed at 4.36 and faster.


That is still really fast and with his size and speed he could really be great.

Nicky Napoleon
03-18-2006, 11:48 PM
fans from florida putting cromartie into round 1 has changed. he will not be picked in round 1 at all
:tantrum:

Ok and you are WRONG!!!! Cromartie WILL go in the first, maybe you missed his Pro Day work out. He ran a 4.37 and 4.39 40's and had a 42 in verticle couple that with the fact that he is already 6'2 1/8 210lbs and is probably the best pure athelete at the CB position and yeah hes not going in the first......:shakeno:

gofishn
03-19-2006, 12:38 AM
Don't forget Kirby Smart was a long time FSU graduate assistant, later an assistant at LSU with Saban and now the Dolphins safeties coach. He was at pro day, horsing around with all the guys so there is a connection there. Although, with needs at DB, OLB, and DT, I wouldn't complain about the Fins taking Cromartie, Ernie Sims, or Brodrick Bunkley.

There were a lot of NFL coaches at pro day, and every single one of them gave Cromartie a long hard look. He looks like a lock for the mid 1st round if you ask me.

Chambo84
03-19-2006, 01:04 PM
Jason Allen was a projected Top 10 talent in the middle of the college football season before his injury and with his latest numbers he put up at the combine, the injury has not affected him what at all. I have seen Jason Allen play numerous times and a few things about him....

1-NEVER gets beat deep
2-BIG and PHYSICAL corner
3-Versitile and can also slide to Free Saftey
4-Leader type mentality (He could be the leader of the secondary even in
his rookie year)
5-BIG hitter

Haournyie
03-19-2006, 01:25 PM
I don´t know about you but I keep falling in love more and more with jimmy williams. Great speed and size and good ball skills. Thats what I want out of a saftey. I also think we only need a saftey because we got two starting caliber CBs in Poole and Daniels.

Haournyie
03-19-2006, 01:36 PM
I just thought about that again and it may be a good move to move daniels to saftey and draft a corner. but either way I think Daniels is gonna do good

Boomer
03-19-2006, 03:57 PM
Top 5 are

1. Michael Huff
Can play inside at SS or out at corner, great feet, great tackler, supremely quick, will likely go at 9 to Detroit, but could go to the 49ers if the board falls differently.

2. Tye Hill
Best cover corner in the draft. His lack of height is overplayed. At almost 5-10, he has a 41 inch vertical. Not great hands, but his pass break up average is superb. Has Olympic speed and possesses the vision and awareness to be a fine player. Was personally interviewed by Saban in Mobile.

3. Antonio Cromartie.
Has great speed, great size and the upside is through the roof. The knee injuries will be a concern, but the talent level is off the scale. His short shuttle time was ridiculously quick and displayed the lateral and change of pace awareness that is so crucial. Was taken to dinner by Saban and Mueller. Was significant interest from the Fins at the FSU pro day.

4. Jason Allen
Would be a legitimate top 15 player were it not for the hip. Can play FS or corner, but likely a corner. Has good size, is a good tackler and is arguably the best corner in the draft at syating deep with a receiver.

5. Ashton Youboty
You could throw a blanket over him or Jonathan Joseph or Richard Marshall in here. Joseph is the fastest riser, but some of his athletic numbers are a worry. Marshall is being highly touted as the Patriots pick. Youboty has done all that's asked of him. He has excellent closing speed, good size and can tackle.

Ko Simpson I like a lot. Jimmy Williams has scouts so worried, that he's hard to place. 'Emotionally unstable' were the reports from the Combine.

Boomer
03-19-2006, 03:58 PM
fans from florida putting cromartie into round 1 has changed. he will not be picked in round 1 at all

I'll lay you VERY good money that he is.

finsgonewild
03-19-2006, 04:15 PM
Top 5 are

1. Michael Huff
Can play inside at SS or out at corner, great feet, great tackler, supremely quick, will likely go at 9 to Detroit, but could go to the 49ers if the board falls differently.

2. Tye Hill
Best cover corner in the draft. His lack of height is overplayed. At almost 5-10, he has a 41 inch vertical. Not great hands, but his pass break up average is superb. Has Olympic speed and possesses the vision and awareness to be a fine player. Was personally interviewed by Saban in Mobile.

3. Antonio Cromartie.
Has great speed, great size and the upside is through the roof. The knee injuries will be a concern, but the talent level is off the scale. His short shuttle time was ridiculously quick and displayed the lateral and change of pace awareness that is so crucial. Was taken to dinner by Saban and Mueller. Was significant interest from the Fins at the FSU pro day.

4. Jason Allen
Would be a legitimate top 15 player were it not for the hip. Can play FS or corner, but likely a corner. Has good size, is a good tackler and is arguably the best corner in the draft at syating deep with a receiver.

5. Ashton Youboty
You could throw a blanket over him or Jonathan Joseph or Richard Marshall in here. Joseph is the fastest riser, but some of his athletic numbers are a worry. Marshall is being highly touted as the Patriots pick. Youboty has done all that's asked of him. He has excellent closing speed, good size and can tackle.

Ko Simpson I like a lot. Jimmy Williams has scouts so worried, that he's hard to place. 'Emotionally unstable' were the reports from the Combine.


there is no way that Jimmy Williams is not one of the top 5 cornerbacks!!! He is leaps above some of these players.

PhinsPhan
03-19-2006, 06:11 PM
This has to be one of the deepest drafts for corners in years.

1) Huff
2) Allen
3) Ty Hill
4) Cromartie
5) Ko Simpson
6) Williams
7) Youboty
8) Joseph

That is 8 first round potential CBs. I am probably missing someone, but I think not only does that leave us with alot of options at 16 but if we trade down we should still pick up significant talent in the late first.

Boomer
03-19-2006, 08:08 PM
there is no way that Jimmy Williams is not one of the top 5 cornerbacks!!! He is leaps above some of these players.

Williams is a tweener. Not good enough for corner IMO. Watch the way he was beasted by Calvin Johnson last year, then watch the way that Tye Hill played him. Guy has some issues off the field that are throwing up all sorts of red flags.

Boomer
03-19-2006, 08:09 PM
This has to be one of the deepest drafts for corners in years.

1) Huff
2) Allen
3) Ty Hill
4) Cromartie
5) Ko Simpson
6) Williams
7) Youboty
8) Joseph

That is 8 first round potential CBs. I am probably missing someone, but I think not only does that leave us with alot of options at 16 but if we trade down we should still pick up significant talent in the late first.

Simpson is a safety dude. ;)

Nicky Napoleon
03-19-2006, 08:50 PM
Simpson is a safety dude. ;)

Hey Boomer which of the CB's would be a better fit for us???

I am a bit biased as a Noles fan for Cromartie, and I just think the world of this guy. His combo of size and speed are insane, then when you couple that with Micky Andrews throwing out the Deion Sanders comparisons as far as talent I start :drool:

Boomer
03-19-2006, 09:05 PM
Hey Boomer which of the CB's would be a better fit for us???

I am a bit biased as a Noles fan for Cromartie, and I just think the world of this guy. His combo of size and speed are insane, then when you couple that with Micky Andrews throwing out the Deion Sanders comparisons as far as talent I start :drool:

Well, they all could fit. Hill has played press and zone at an All American standard and is the best cover guy. Cromartie is the big playmaker with the most question marks but the biggest upside and Allen can play inside or out and has reams of talent. I personally don't see us taking Joseph or Marshall or Youboty.

bright-light
03-20-2006, 11:21 AM
Well, they all could fit. Hill has played press and zone at an All American standard and is the best cover guy. Cromartie is the big playmaker with the most question marks but the biggest upside and Allen can play inside or out and has reams of talent. I personally don't see us taking Joseph or Marshall or Youboty. Boomer - who are the top 5 safeties in the upcoming draft? And which rounds are the currently projected to be drafted?

SF Dolphin Fan
03-20-2006, 12:41 PM
I'd say:

1. Huff (either a db or safety)
2. Williams
3. Tye Hill (a little small, but durable and fast)
4. Cromartie (an injury risk, but great talent)
5. Yobody

Canadi-Phin
03-20-2006, 01:10 PM
I think there are tons of good CBs in this draft. I just wonder do we have such a priority there nowwith our recent FA signings. Cromartie to me looks like he would be better than all of our CBs. But we have tons of players at that spot now. Allen, Poole, Daniels, Goodman, Thomas, and Mitchell. With all these players do we still take a CB and maybe move Daniels to safety or instead look more at the Safety position? My own opinion is we still take a guy like Cromartie if we feel he's going to be great or the if he is the best player available. I know that this is usually the strategy used by GMs but where we have so many bodies at the position it starts to become a Roster space issue. I like having as many talented players in our secondary as possible. What do others think about this?

playmaker1
03-20-2006, 02:12 PM
top five :
Huff
Williams
Cromartie
Simpson
Allen

playmaker1
03-20-2006, 02:13 PM
Id say Hill, but I see Hill as too small, and I hate to say it, but I think he will be the bust of the DBs. I see him as the next packman

playmaker1
03-20-2006, 02:14 PM
That Actually all depends on who you ask.

My top 5 are
1. Michael Huff - Never fall to us Strengths: He has adequate height and is strong for his size. He possesses exceptional speed, especially for his size. He is a very good athlete at the safety position. He is versatile and can play a lot of different roles within a defensive scheme. He is heady and instinctive. He's as tough as it gets. Will fill hard vs. the run and does a good job getting through traffic. Has great range in run support and shows very good closing burst. He is a solid open-field tackler and packs a punch at the POA for a smaller DS. He has adequate size but plays a lot bigger than his measurables would indicate. He has become a punishing sideline-to-sideline run stopper. He has above average range and can continue to improve as he gets better adjusted to playing in so much space. He takes good angles to the ball and shows good closing quickness in coverage. Has above average man-to-man coverage skills for a DS. Has adequate ball skills. Will bat down a lot of passes and does a good job of fighting for the jump ball. He has great physical tools, mental makeup and tackling skills as a future special team's player in the NFL.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal bulk as an NFL safety. Plays like a strong safety but will struggle to match up in the box at the NFL level. Needs to improve his body mass and lower body strength. He has decent but not great ball skills. Still needs to improve his recognition skills in deep coverage. Will be a bit late to diagnose every once in a while and will struggle to make up for it in the NFL like he does in college.
2. Jimmy Williams - Strengths: Has rare size/speed combination. A versatile prospect with experience at DC and FS. He is an ideal fit as a press cover corner in a man-to-man scheme. He is tall, has long arms and is strong for the position. He does a good job of pressing WRs at the LOS and taking them out of their routes. He is surprisingly fluid for such a tall DC. Shows the quickness, hips and top-end speed to turn and run with any WR in the NFL if he opens up in time. He shows very good closing burst when the ball is in the air. He is physical and challenges the jump ball. His size gives him a big advantage in the red zone. He has developed excellent ball skills and is a playmaker with the ball in his hands. He fills hard vs. the run and has outstanding potential as a run support DC. He is an aggressive player who will throw his body around and mix it up. He flashes some upside when turned loose on the blitz. Also has experience returning punts.

Weaknesses: Comes off as arrogant and seems to run a lot of people the wrong way. His effort is too streaky. Still has work to do in terms of his consistency in coverage. Will gamble too much and won't get away with it as easily in the NFL. His recognition skills and awareness must improve. Will get caught peeking in the backfield at times and will leave himself vulnerable. He is much more effective in man-coverage than he is in zone. He seems less comfortable in space and needs to improve his ability to read the QB's eyes. Lacks ideal instincts and discipline in zone coverage. Plays out of control at times and will miss too many tackles.
3. Tye Hill - Strengths: Is a track star turned DC. Has blazing speed and is the fastest DC in this class. He has extremely fluid hips. Can turn and run vertically with any WR in the NFL. Is extremely quick in his back pedal. He has explosive closing burst and can make up a lot of ground when the ball is in the air. Shows very quick feet and good lateral movement skills. He has good leaping ability (39-inch vertical) and will challenge for the jump ball. Is tough for his size. Won't back down from a challenge. His ball skills continue to improve. He's doing a better job of finding the ball in the air and adjusting to it. Is also a threat on the return if he gets daylight. He will fill hard vs. the run. Lacks size but has decent strength and is a fundamentally sound tackler.

Weaknesses: Lacks great experience at the position. Has made huge strides in terms of technique and recognition skills but still is too inconsistent and needs more polish. He is undersized. Lacks height and bulk. Has developed into a good run-support DC, but will occasionally get run over by bigger backs. He will have trouble matching up against bigger WR's in the NFL and may never be more than a slot-corner, as a result.
4. Jonathan Joseph - Strengths: A fast-rising prospect with explosive speed. Is a fluid athlete with very good initial quickness and COD skills. He shows the ability to turn-and-run without losing much in transition. Is quick out of his pedal and shows good closing burst. Is able to make up a lot of ground when the ball is in the air. He shows good leaping ability and will challenge for the ball in traffic. Possesses natural playmaking instincts and very good ball skills. Is aggressive in run support. Willing and fills hard. Shows adequate strength and is an efficient tackler in space. Has some experience as a return specialist and showed some promise in that area  both as a PR and KOR.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal playing experience. Only played one full season at DI-A level. Shows inconsistent technique. Comes out of his pedal too high at times and will get off balance in those instances. Has a tendency to gamble and jump routes prematurely. Looks less comfortable in zone coverage and must improve his overall awareness in that facet. Durability is a concern following broken foot in 2004.
Ko Simpson - Strengths: Possesses good upside. Lacks ideal bulk but has the frame to get bigger. Is a powerful player for his size. He fills hard versus the run and has developed into a solid open field tackler. He flashes some explosive power at the point of attack. Is a ball-hawk with playmaking instincts. Shows adequate range in coverage. Possesses adequate-to-good speed and shows good closing burst to the ball. Shows outstanding ball skills. Has enough quickness and natural athleticism to match up versus bigger receivers one-on-one. Physical and tough. Also has the skills and mentality to contribute covering kicks on special teams.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal playing experience. Is still unpolished in terms of his overall technique and recognition skills. He can be over-aggressive at times and will get caught taking too many false steps vs. play-fake. He needs to play with more discipline. He lacks ideal bulk. Is aggressive and productive in run support but will struggle to get off of blocks as easily in the NFL. Does not possess the size to consistently match up "in the box". Needs to add bulk to his frame and improve his lower body strength.


The top 5 are mine and the Strengths and Weaknesses are from ESPN.

thanks Skeet! :D

Motion
03-20-2006, 02:17 PM
there is no way that Jimmy Williams is not one of the top 5 cornerbacks!!! He is leaps above some of these players.

He is not "leaps" above any of those guys listed.