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SF Dolphin Fan
03-20-2006, 04:33 PM
With the free agent signings and the trade for Daunte Culpepper, the Dolphins enter the draft in much better shape than a few weeks ago. Suddenly, even the secondary has some players in Allen and Hill, but I think that's still an area of need. I would say offensive line and linebacker are big needs as well, unless Miami is able to sign either Peterson or Arrington.

Here are some players who I see as first round targets at #16 or slightly lower if the team trades out of that spot.

Greenway --- workout numbers weren't so hot, but he's a player.
Lawson --- compared to Jason Taylor
Carpenter -- all-around player
Cromartie -- gamble on greatness, I'd personally pass in round 1
Hill -- more like Allen who Miami just signed
Jackson -- intriguing wide receiver
Holmes -- nice compliment to Chambers/Booker
Watson -- big time run stuffing DT
McNeil -- could play LT or RT. The guy Auburn ran behind in short yardage.
Justice -- athletic tackle

There could be others, but I think those are the players Miami will consider if they remain around the #16 area in the first round.

playmaker1
03-20-2006, 04:36 PM
Dont forget Ko Simpson. I think he would be a great addition to our secondary. We could use some help at safety.
Until or if we sign LaVar or peterson, Id say LB, S, or OL. But we still have a few weeks til the draft to see if we sign any more FAs. Good list SF!

Finfan14
03-20-2006, 04:52 PM
If we sign Arrington or Peterson I dont think we will go LB.

Assuming we get one fo those guys it will be the best OL or WR available. There are no DB's worthy of the #16 pick.

SF Dolphin Fan
03-20-2006, 05:31 PM
Dont forget Ko Simpson. I think he would be a great addition to our secondary. We could use some help at safety.
Until or if we sign LaVar or peterson, Id say LB, S, or OL. But we still have a few weeks til the draft to see if we sign any more FAs. Good list SF!

I always seem to forget that guy. Probably because I've never seen him play so it's hard to form an opinion. Yes, safety is definitely a need. I like Pat Watkins and hope we have a shot at him in the 3rd. I agree LB, DB/S or OL unless something happens w/Peterson or Arrington.

SF Dolphin Fan
03-20-2006, 05:34 PM
If we sign Arrington or Peterson I dont think we will go LB.

Assuming we get one fo those guys it will be the best OL or WR available. There are no DB's worthy of the #16 pick.

Agree on the DB statement for sure. Hill is a solid player, but a lot like Wil Allen in that he isn't going to make the big plays. Cromartie is a top 10 talent if you discount injuries, but that's a big factor and knocks him down quite a bit. The "X factor" for me is Gabe Watson. To have a young DT like that seems like a move Saban could make.

playmaker1
03-20-2006, 05:42 PM
I dont see us drafting a DT. We used our 5th already on a DT in Manny in the suplimental. We drafted 2 DL last year. Yes the majority of our DL right now is getting old, but we already have quite a few on the roster. We only have a few picks this year, I dont see any DL happening. Way bigger needs.

I think the "X factor" for the Dolphins in the draft would be a WR in the first

FinzCrazy
03-20-2006, 05:56 PM
My 1st choice is Jackson then McNeil

I'd be happey with either.

outtawack311
03-20-2006, 06:04 PM
Justice or jackson.. I would rather take justice and shore up our o-line. We can take a Stud WR in Brandon Marshall later.

SF Dolphin Fan
03-20-2006, 06:08 PM
I dont see us drafting a DT. We used our 5th already on a DT in Manny in the suplimental. We drafted 2 DL last year. Yes the majority of our DL right now is getting old, but we already have quite a few on the roster. We only have a few picks this year, I dont see any DL happening. Way bigger needs.

I think the "X factor" for the Dolphins in the draft would be a WR in the first

I actually expect Saban to take a true NT somewhere in this draft, but agree there are more pressing needs that will likely be addressed early. Jackson, from Auburn, is a player I like in the middle rounds. He's a little small at about 6-0 306, but is a nice run stuffer. Obviously, Saban wants to run the 3-4 and the only true NT currently on the roster is 37. I don't think Saban views Wright as that type of player.

MiamiMan147
03-20-2006, 06:57 PM
If Bunkley is there, I hope we take him. The guy is a stud. DL is one of the most important positions on defense and we're old at that spot. DB is not the gaping hole it was now that we've made some FA moves, and none of the CB's excite me except for maybe Cromartie. I think he'll be available later on in the first, so if we go that route I'd like to see us trade back.

Whatever happens, I'll be happy with our pick because I'm pretty confident that the guy making the decision knows more about it than me or anyone else on this board.

SF Dolphin Fan
03-20-2006, 08:35 PM
Whatever happens, I'll be happy with our pick because I'm pretty confident that the guy making the decision knows more about it than me or anyone else on this board.

Totally agree. Saban has made terrific moves so far with Miami, from players he's brought in to the coaching staff that he has added. I trust he'll make the right moves and can't wait to see what they are.

305dolphincrip
03-20-2006, 08:44 PM
what about huff

Vegas dolfan
03-20-2006, 09:54 PM
If we dont sign a LB from free agency, we need to get Bobby Carpenter from Ohio State. He is bigger than A.J. Hawk and a great all around lb. Can't go wrong with a LB from Ohio State.

finfan54
03-20-2006, 10:13 PM
The Dolphins are in the market for an interior linemen. That has been said by the brass again and again, yet we havent gotten any. I would bet Vegas we are getting linemen in this draft.

crowder_rules
03-20-2006, 11:02 PM
broderick bunkley was huge this year. also did you see his combine numbers. 44 reps at 225. manuel wright did like 14 a year ago. bunkley is 306 and ran sub 5.0. if he is there, he is the perfect 3-4 de. no joke. richard seymour type ability.

also, i still want a true nose tackle. i dont see manuel wright as that either. didnt we rank like 17th against the run last year. that's not good. and it came down to poor nose tackle play.

also, nick saban is from the bill parcells/ bill belichick school of tree. and he definitely believes in the planet theory-which is something i havent heard anyone hear mention. that is, there are only so many big, agile men in the world, so if you can get one, dont pass it up. also think about how the pats have been successful, it is with their front 7. they've drafted lots of dline. richard seymour, jarvis green, vince wilfork. parcells drafted 2 big men last year. we've drafted one good one (wright) and one career back up (vickerson), if the opportunity is there, i can see saban taking it.

Mike13
03-20-2006, 11:42 PM
Nice list, but chances are if Arrington, Peterson or Boulware are signed we will most likely go DB or OL in the draft.

Vegas dolfan
03-21-2006, 01:47 AM
I agree on Nick Mangold, He is a great center. Really takes control of the line of scrimmage. He will be Daunte's new best friend. He has all pro protential. So if we need linemen, he would be my first pick.

Jimmy James
03-21-2006, 02:17 AM
Out of that list, give me Justice. If you give him Houck to bring him along, he could be an anchor of the OL for a decade or more.

playmaker1
03-21-2006, 03:12 AM
I agree on Nick Mangold, He is a great center. Really takes control of the line of scrimmage. He will be Daunte's new best friend. He has all pro protential. So if we need linemen, he would be my first pick.

I like Mangold. But #16 is pretty high for him I think. I could see us trading down and maybe looking at him. Id rather see us go DB in the draft, if we sign LaVar or JP

playmaker1
03-21-2006, 03:13 AM
Out of that list, give me Justice. If you give him Houck to bring him along, he could be an anchor of the OL for a decade or more.

Justice would help beef up our line

23Dolphins34
03-21-2006, 04:33 AM
Probably will be an interior lineman, most notably a RG. If a LB'er is not signed (Arrington) then OLB would be the next choice. Corner looks like it has been solidified, so that leaves the safety position. Possible candidates:

Max Jean-Gilles, Davin Joseph for the RG spot. Although I don't believe picking at #16 we should take a guard, moving down in the draft would be an option for those two. A second day pick worth looking at would be Chris Kuper from North Dakota, 6-4 1/2 310lbs

Manny Lawson would be ideal at #16 for OLB. If the Dolphins trade down, someone like Bobby Carpenter. If trading down nets a linemen and brings a second round pick as well, Kamerion Wimbley or Stanley McClover could fit that bill as a 3-4 OLB.

If the Miami stays at #16 and somehow Michael Huff is there, that's our pick. But since more than likely won't be around then, other options include Darnell Bing, Ko Simpson and for later Daniel Bullocks, Pat Watkins or Bernard Pollard.

305TillIDie
03-21-2006, 04:36 AM
We aslo need Safety help at 16...that Hill kid from clemson will help us at FS and CB

playmaker1
03-21-2006, 04:47 AM
broderick bunkley was huge this year. also did you see his combine numbers. 44 reps at 225. manuel wright did like 14 a year ago. bunkley is 306 and ran sub 5.0. if he is there, he is the perfect 3-4 de. no joke. richard seymour type ability.

also, i still want a true nose tackle. i dont see manuel wright as that either. didnt we rank like 17th against the run last year. that's not good. and it came down to poor nose tackle play.

also, nick saban is from the bill parcells/ bill belichick school of tree. and he definitely believes in the planet theory-which is something i havent heard anyone hear mention. that is, there are only so many big, agile men in the world, so if you can get one, dont pass it up. also think about how the pats have been successful, it is with their front 7. they've drafted lots of dline. richard seymour, jarvis green, vince wilfork. parcells drafted 2 big men last year. we've drafted one good one (wright) and one career back up (vickerson), if the opportunity is there, i can see saban taking it.


we drafted two DL guys last year, and we used our 5th round pick this year in Manny. I know we need a NT, but I dont see us drafting another D linman. Yes the majority of Dl gys on our roster are getting older, but We have way bigger needs

TampaFinsFan01
03-21-2006, 09:03 AM
With the free agent signings and the trade for Daunte Culpepper, the Dolphins enter the draft in much better shape than a few weeks ago. Suddenly, even the secondary has some players in Allen and Hill, but I think that's still an area of need. I would say offensive line and linebacker are big needs as well, unless Miami is able to sign either Peterson or Arrington.

Here are some players who I see as first round targets at #16 or slightly lower if the team trades out of that spot.

Greenway --- workout numbers weren't so hot, but he's a player.
Lawson --- compared to Jason Taylor
Carpenter -- all-around player
Cromartie -- gamble on greatness, I'd personally pass in round 1
Hill -- more like Allen who Miami just signed
Jackson -- intriguing wide receiver
Holmes -- nice compliment to Chambers/Booker
Watson -- big time run stuffing DT
McNeil -- could play LT or RT. The guy Auburn ran behind in short yardage.
Justice -- athletic tackle

There could be others, but I think those are the players Miami will consider if they remain around the #16 area in the first round.

I don't think Justice will be there out of that group. All the others, I expect will be. The real question is whether or not we stay put or trade down. I think that some of those guys (Watson, Carpenter, McNeil) will be around at 30 as well as 16. If we could trade down, with Indy for example, we might be able to get, say, Gabe Watson and Nick Mangold. IMO, that would be a good first two rounds.

TampaFinsFan01
03-21-2006, 09:06 AM
I dont see us drafting a DT. We used our 5th already on a DT in Manny in the suplimental. We drafted 2 DL last year. Yes the majority of our DL right now is getting old, but we already have quite a few on the roster. We only have a few picks this year, I dont see any DL happening. Way bigger needs.

I think the "X factor" for the Dolphins in the draft would be a WR in the first

I don't think Nick is going to be looking at "need" in the first round. He is going to be looking at the quality of the player. We always need good players, regardless of position. And the first round is the best round to get potentially great players.

SF Dolphin Fan
03-21-2006, 12:39 PM
what about huff

I just feel he's a top 10 kind of guy so I didn't list him.

SF Dolphin Fan
03-21-2006, 12:44 PM
The Dolphins are in the market for an interior linemen. That has been said by the brass again and again, yet we havent gotten any. I would bet Vegas we are getting linemen in this draft.

Good point. Mangold is a definite possibility especially if Miami trades down a bit.

SF Dolphin Fan
03-21-2006, 12:46 PM
broderick bunkley was huge this year. also did you see his combine numbers. 44 reps at 225. manuel wright did like 14 a year ago. bunkley is 306 and ran sub 5.0. if he is there, he is the perfect 3-4 de. no joke. richard seymour type ability.

also, i still want a true nose tackle. i dont see manuel wright as that either. didnt we rank like 17th against the run last year. that's not good. and it came down to poor nose tackle play.

also, nick saban is from the bill parcells/ bill belichick school of tree. and he definitely believes in the planet theory-which is something i havent heard anyone hear mention. that is, there are only so many big, agile men in the world, so if you can get one, dont pass it up. also think about how the pats have been successful, it is with their front 7. they've drafted lots of dline. richard seymour, jarvis green, vince wilfork. parcells drafted 2 big men last year. we've drafted one good one (wright) and one career back up (vickerson), if the opportunity is there, i can see saban taking it.

There are a couple of those planet guys out there including Haloti Nagati and Gabe Watson on the defensive line. I think both of those guys would interest Saban.

SF Dolphin Fan
03-21-2006, 12:50 PM
Probably will be an interior lineman, most notably a RG. If a LB'er is not signed (Arrington) then OLB would be the next choice. Corner looks like it has been solidified, so that leaves the safety position. Possible candidates:

Max Jean-Gilles, Davin Joseph for the RG spot. Although I don't believe picking at #16 we should take a guard, moving down in the draft would be an option for those two. A second day pick worth looking at would be Chris Kuper from North Dakota, 6-4 1/2 310lbs

Manny Lawson would be ideal at #16 for OLB. If the Dolphins trade down, someone like Bobby Carpenter. If trading down nets a linemen and brings a second round pick as well, Kamerion Wimbley or Stanley McClover could fit that bill as a 3-4 OLB.

If the Miami stays at #16 and somehow Michael Huff is there, that's our pick. But since more than likely won't be around then, other options include Darnell Bing, Ko Simpson and for later Daniel Bullocks, Pat Watkins or Bernard Pollard.

Nice reply. Jean-Gilles looked very impressive in the senior bowl, managing Gabe Watson pretty well. I agree that Huff would be the pick if he's there, but I think he could go top 10. I really don't think any other safeties are 1st rounders, although I haven't seen Ko Simpson play. Love Manny Lawson and would really like that pick.

SF Dolphin Fan
03-21-2006, 12:52 PM
I don't think Justice will be there out of that group. All the others, I expect will be. The real question is whether or not we stay put or trade down. I think that some of those guys (Watson, Carpenter, McNeil) will be around at 30 as well as 16. If we could trade down, with Indy for example, we might be able to get, say, Gabe Watson and Nick Mangold. IMO, that would be a good first two rounds.

That would be a great scenario. I really expect that Saban will try to trade down unless there is a major surprise and a player he can't pass up at #16.

NorFlaFin
03-21-2006, 12:55 PM
Bunkley is true attacking penetrating DT, this kind of a DT is an incredibility rare find.

Serviceable 300 run stuffer can be found on the wavier wire.

Miamifin23
03-21-2006, 01:30 PM
Why is nobody talking about Sims? He's going to be the man next season. He's very fast, undersized... he's going to be a Vilma type player, plays sideline to sideline. Look, Zach Thomas isn't going to be around forever and Sims can step in and play many positions.

Jimmy James
03-21-2006, 02:14 PM
Nice reply. Jean-Gilles looked very impressive in the senior bowl, managing Gabe Watson pretty well. I agree that Huff would be the pick if he's there, but I think he could go top 10. I really don't think any other safeties are 1st rounders, although I haven't seen Ko Simpson play. Love Manny Lawson and would really like that pick.

You can't take Jean-Gilles at 16 after the 40 he ran at the combine. He can't get up the field like an elite guard needs to be able to do.

playmaker1
03-21-2006, 02:18 PM
I don't think Nick is going to be looking at "need" in the first round. He is going to be looking at the quality of the player. We always need good players, regardless of position. And the first round is the best round to get potentially great players.

How could Nick not look at needs? In the first round we could get a guy who can come right in and start. We have a few holes right now that need to be filled. We have a great chance at getting a guy to fill one of those holes.
Yes it is important to get good quality guys, but why not get guys to come right in? We can get those potentially great players in the first at the needs we have. What your saying is like draft another RB in the first. doesn't make much sence

playmaker1
03-21-2006, 02:20 PM
Why is nobody talking about Sims? He's going to be the man next season. He's very fast, undersized... he's going to be a Vilma type player, plays sideline to sideline. Look, Zach Thomas isn't going to be around forever and Sims can step in and play many positions.


Simms is ok, but I dont think he is a Vilma type player. Id rather draft Lawson or Carpenter

SF Dolphin Fan
03-21-2006, 02:33 PM
Why is nobody talking about Sims? He's going to be the man next season. He's very fast, undersized... he's going to be a Vilma type player, plays sideline to sideline. Look, Zach Thomas isn't going to be around forever and Sims can step in and play many positions.

I think he's viewed as a 2nd rounder, maybe early second. Definitely a good player.

SF Dolphin Fan
03-21-2006, 02:34 PM
You can't take Jean-Gilles at 16 after the 40 he ran at the combine. He can't get up the field like an elite guard needs to be able to do.

No not at #16. I think he's probably an early to mid 2nd rounder.

Finfan14
03-21-2006, 03:10 PM
Ernie Sims is another guy that is going to be a bust.

Chad Jackson and Ernie Sims are the most overrated players in this draft.

Motion
03-21-2006, 03:21 PM
Ernie Sims is another guy that is going to be a bust.

Chad Jackson and Ernie Sims are the most overrated players in this draft.

Just out of curiousity, what's your opinion of Vince Young?

dolphin23
03-21-2006, 04:40 PM
Before we started signing FA's and trading for Cpep, I was adamantly putting in my wishlist Defense for our 1st day pick. With CB, LB and DT in that order, whoever is BPA with our pick. But lately since all the moves we have done Im beginning to feel that maybe saban will draft either of the 2 top wr jackson or Holmes. Because when 16 rolls around and if these 2 are still on the board they are clearly the BPA in their respective position.
The 2 db will be gone Huff, Williams. And theres no chance in Hell we can draft Hawk, and Greenway might be gone too or Lawson. So thats why Im starting to think we might go with those 2 wr. As for DT alot of boards have Ngota going in the top 10 and Bunkley slated either the Ravens our Eagles. But who knows what Saban has on his board. Ernie Sims might be rated high on his board along with Tye Hill. Well will see come draft day, cant wait.

playmaker1
03-21-2006, 05:47 PM
Just out of curiousity, what's your opinion of Vince Young?

prol thinks he will be a bust too

dominizzo
03-21-2006, 05:50 PM
Greenway or LAwson