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uga3406
03-22-2006, 09:54 PM
I hope the phins are not counting there hopes on Will Allen and Andre Goodman to much. I still would love to see them go after a cb with there 1st pick.Passing on a Jimmy Williams or Cromartie would be a huge mistake.

Pennington's Rocket Arm
03-22-2006, 10:00 PM
if williams if there, i think we take him. otherwise, BPA or trade down.

TotoreMexico
03-22-2006, 10:01 PM
I hope the phins are not counting there hopes on Will Allen and Andre Goodman to much. I still would love to see them go after a cb with there 1st pick.Passing on a Jimmy Williams or Cromartie would be a huge mistake.

I wouldn't mind picking either Williams or Cromartie

Alex44
03-22-2006, 10:08 PM
Jimmy Williams may be switched to FS according to some 'experts'

So the possibility isnt gone

dolfan3431
03-22-2006, 10:08 PM
ya because i think besides Mario and Brick that he is the safest player in the draft. Why? Because he is an excellent corner and even if he doesn't play well there ( which I doubt) he will be a excellent safety almost like a brian dawkins

motioncityhifi
03-23-2006, 12:57 AM
well from what ive read about his pro day it wasnt exactly all that spectacular. its getting more and more likely he is moving to free safety. that being said it still will be tough to pass on him if he is there.

Boomer
03-23-2006, 04:29 AM
The bottom is falling out of Williams' stock. First of all, a couple of teams have taken him off their board completely after some issues arose at the Combine. Quite a lot of teams have removed him as a CB prospect from their boards as he's not athletic enough. Jimmy will be a FS, but will have to overcome the stigma of being labelled 'emotionally unstable' in Indy.

playmaker1
03-23-2006, 05:02 AM
I Know Williams is good, and I thin he is a safety in the NFL. But I think he will go later than the mid of the first round, He didnt impress too many teams in interviews

Skeet84
03-23-2006, 06:13 AM
He is falling while others are rising so if we trade down he still might be there.

poornate
03-23-2006, 10:22 AM
ya because i think besides Mario and Brick that he is the safest player in the draft. Why? Because he is an excellent corner and even if he doesn't play well there ( which I doubt) he will be a excellent safety almost like a brian dawkins

What about AJ Hawk? I don't think anyone is safer....

Skeet84
03-23-2006, 10:32 AM
What about AJ Hawk? I don't think anyone is safer....


No way he will be there at 16. NO WAY! He is a solid top 6 pick

Motion
03-23-2006, 10:35 AM
No way he will be there at 16. NO WAY! He is a solid top 6 pick

Skeet, read what he said. He was refering to the comment about Williams being the safest pick in the draft other than Brick and Mario. And I agree with him 110%, there a far more "safer" picks than Jimmy Williams, I don't even consider him a safe pick.

Skeet84
03-23-2006, 10:48 AM
Skeet, read what he said. He was refering to the comment about Williams being the safest pick in the draft other than Brick and Mario. And I agree with him 110%, there a far more "safer" picks than Jimmy Williams, I don't even consider him a safe pick.


In my best Homer Simpson voice " DOH "


Sorry I was not reading everything thru. I think D'Brick is the safest pick

Motion
03-23-2006, 10:50 AM
In my best Homer Simpson voice " DOH "


Sorry I was not reading everything thru. I think D'Brick is the safest pick

:wink: Its cool.

I agree Brick is the safest IMO.

Pennington's Rocket Arm
03-23-2006, 10:54 AM
if anything, jimmy williams is one of the least safe picks in the first round. as a corner, he's too slow. as a safety, he's unproven. and apparently he has a bad attitude.

Motion
03-23-2006, 11:12 AM
if anything, jimmy williams is one of the least safe picks in the first round. as a corner, he's too slow. as a safety, he's unproven. and apparently he has a bad attitude.

Yeah thats what I'm saying. :wink:

Itsdahumidity
03-23-2006, 11:17 AM
The bottom is falling out of Williams' stock. First of all, a couple of teams have taken him off their board completely after some issues arose at the Combine. Quite a lot of teams have removed him as a CB prospect from their boards as he's not athletic enough. Jimmy will be a FS, but will have to overcome the stigma of being labelled 'emotionally unstable' in Indy.

Boom what happened over there? Did he fail a psyche test or something? Did he lose it when they showed him certain pictures? I'm just curious about this "emotionally unstable" label because I think it's safe to say we can do without another Dimitrius Underwood or Alonzo Spellman situation.

Phishstix
03-23-2006, 11:24 AM
The bottom is falling out of Williams' stock. First of all, a couple of teams have taken him off their board completely after some issues arose at the Combine. Quite a lot of teams have removed him as a CB prospect from their boards as he's not athletic enough. Jimmy will be a FS, but will have to overcome the stigma of being labelled 'emotionally unstable' in Indy.

another issue in his falling stock might be that he might not be an elite prospect at fs due to the fact that struggled woefully at fs in his first 2 years at va tech. he didn't have the instincts, ball skills, or the ability to operate in space that the position requires. he was much better as a cb, and a lot of that was due to va tech's zone blitzing scheme- vt mostly played cover 3 behind it, so he was rarely in man and in pass coverage his resonsibility was not to let anybody behind him. i myself always thought that he was out of posititon and should have played ss b/c his aggressiveness and his run support ability would be put to much better use there. guess that's why i don't coach for va tech. his strength will be an issue in regards to playing ss, but imo he would be best utilized at that position. and, it's no rumor; he's a cardcarrying punk.

Boomer
03-23-2006, 11:29 AM
Boom what happened over there? Did he fail a psyche test or something? Did he lose it when they showed him certain pictures? I'm just curious about this "emotionally unstable" label because I think it's safe to say we can do without another Dimitrius Underwood or Alonzo Spellman situation.

We were as surprised as you when we saw this 'emotionally unstable' label, but he has had a number of issues with maturation, whcih boiled to the surface when he was kicked out of Va Tech's Bowl game. This unstable label came from his interviews in Indianapolis. Teams felt very uncomfortable with him. He performed horribly in his interviews, admitting to not being as sharp or consistent in 2005 as he was in 2004, but has been unable to give any logical explanation as to why. What seems to be bothering teams the most is Williams' apparent lack of discipline, competitiveness and mental toughness - all three are critical to surviving as a cover corner in the NFL.

Couple that with the fact that he told teams he saw himself as a corner, then ran safety times.........

Boomer
03-23-2006, 11:29 AM
another issue in his falling stock might be that he might not be an elite prospect at fs due to the fact that struggled woefully at fs in his first 2 years at va tech. he didn't have the instincts, ball skills, or the ability to operate in space that the position requires. he was much better as a cb, and a lot of that was due to va tech's zone blitzing scheme- vt mostly played cover 3 behind it, so he was rarely in man and in pass coverage his resonsibility was not to let anybody behind him. i myself always thought that he was out of posititon and should have played ss b/c his aggressiveness and his run support ability would be put to much better use there. guess that's why i don't coach for va tech. his strength will be an issue in regards to playing ss, but imo he would be best utilized at that position. and, it's no rumor; he's a cardcarrying punk.

I've said it all along, he's a tweener DB.

Itsdahumidity
03-23-2006, 11:34 AM
We were as surprised as you when we saw this 'emotionally unstable' label, but he has had a number of issues with maturation, whcih boiled to the surface when he was kicked out of Va Tech's Bowl game. This unstable label came from his interviews in Indianapolis. Teams felt very uncomfortable with him. He performed horribly in his interviews, admitting to not being as sharp or consistent in 2005 as he was in 2004, but has been unable to give any logical explanation as to why. What seems to be bothering teams the most is Williams' apparent lack of discipline, competitiveness and mental toughness - all three are critical to surviving as a cover corner in the NFL.

Couple that with the fact that he told teams he saw himself as a corner, then ran safety times.........

thanks.