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cuban_refugee
03-26-2006, 03:18 PM
Who would you take with our first pick? I like what I've read about Mathias Kiwanuka. He can play DE or LB in Saban's scheme. He seems like a powerful playmaker.

unifiedtheory
03-26-2006, 03:20 PM
Kiwanuka @ 16 would be a reach...he's being graded as a bottom of the first round guy.

Justice @ 16 would be value but I don't see us drafting him there unless the corners and linebackers Saban has penciled in for that spot are gone.

We're going linebacker or defensive back in the first unless value is there at another position.

Finsfan79
03-26-2006, 03:23 PM
Kiwi is just a DE in the 4-3 not a 3-4 OLB. I dont like him there at all.

Justice isnt a need as we need a RG not a RT/LT

Phins28
03-26-2006, 03:23 PM
Winston Justice, but I think we're going LB or S in the first.

Miami_Dolphins
03-26-2006, 03:23 PM
chad jackson, tye hill, ko simpson.

those are the only 3 we should consider

cuban_refugee
03-26-2006, 03:23 PM
I was thinking we would pick a corner originally, but we've made some nice pick ups w/ FA. So, I think we'll draft LB first (that's if we don't get Arrington). We need to address depth on the O-line big time.

Disgustipate
03-26-2006, 03:25 PM
Wrong forum.

But I like your line of thought.

I think the more likely pick at #16 is Manny Lawson rather then Kiwanuka, but he cant be too bad.


Justice @ 16 would be value but I don't see us drafting him there unless the corners and linebackers Saban has penciled in for that spot are gone.

We're going linebacker or defensive back in the first unless value is there at another position.

Next time you're looking at the Fins draft board, can you tell me how they feel about Babatunde Oshinowo? :rolleyes:

SR 7
03-26-2006, 03:25 PM
chad jackson, tye hill, ko simpson.

those are the only 3 we should consider


correct!

Mainge
03-26-2006, 03:25 PM
Kiwi is just a DE in the 4-3 not a 3-4 OLB. I dont like him there at all.

Justice isnt a need as we need a RG not a RT/LT

I think we're fine at RG with Rex Hadnot. If anything, we could use a C or LT to eventually replace L.J. and Seth.

Philter25
03-26-2006, 03:27 PM
Wrong forum. Kiwanuka at 16 is a reach and he is a 4-3 DE. Where has he shown he can play the OLB in a 3-4? Does he have experience in coverage?

rob19
03-26-2006, 03:29 PM
I think Winston Justice would be okay i also like manny lawson, chad greenway, ernie simms, and antonio cromartie, but thats just me.

phin17-0
03-26-2006, 03:31 PM
all depnds on LA if signed or not. WE have to go Safety, CB or LB w/16 then go ol or best player avail.

dm416
03-26-2006, 03:32 PM
Winston Justice or Jimmy Williams at 16

cuban_refugee
03-26-2006, 03:35 PM
This is my opinion of our needs - in order:

LB
S
OT
CB
DT
QB

CHRISCANEQB726
03-26-2006, 03:36 PM
Tye Hill Is Better Than Williams

U Saw Tye Hill In Senior Bowl

He Was Covering Moss Great Until Moss Is Like This Dumb Mf Is Looking At The Qb Not At Me Burned

But Tye Hill Is A Natural Cb Draft Him

unifiedtheory
03-26-2006, 03:36 PM
Coutdown to this thread getting move in 5.....4.............3............

Boomer
03-26-2006, 03:44 PM
Tye Hill is the best cover cornerback in the draft. Jimmy Williams' stock is falling faster than Enron's. Awful interviews at the Combine, very mediocre pro day, tweener DB......all adds up to a stock fall.

RDubL84
03-26-2006, 03:50 PM
Tye Hill is a goat. I go to Clemson, so I got to watch him get TD's caught all over him all day long. yes, he is fast, but he has no cover skills. He personally lost the GTech game two years ago when he let Johnson score 3 td's on him all in the last 7 min of the game.


Tye Hill Is Better Than Williams

U Saw Tye Hill In Senior Bowl

He Was Covering Moss Great Until Moss Is Like This Dumb Mf Is Looking At The Qb Not At Me Burned

But Tye Hill Is A Natural Cb Draft Him

SR 7
03-26-2006, 03:55 PM
Tye Hill is the best cover cornerback in the draft. Jimmy Williams' stock is falling faster than Enron's. Awful interviews at the Combine, very mediocre pro day, tweener DB......all adds up to a stock fall.

wahts a tweeneR?

PassRush
03-26-2006, 03:58 PM
I would not be the least bit unhappy with Winston Justice but we really do need help in the secondary

MIAdolphin89
03-26-2006, 04:04 PM
I like the name Kiwi. :cooldude:

MIAdolphin89
03-26-2006, 04:06 PM
wahts a tweeneR?

"In-between"

He's not 100% established as a being either a Safety or a Cornerback. He's kind of both; in between if you will.

Boomer
03-26-2006, 04:08 PM
Tye Hill is a goat. I go to Clemson, so I got to watch him get TD's caught all over him all day long. yes, he is fast, but he has no cover skills. He personally lost the GTech game two years ago when he let Johnson score 3 td's on him all in the last 7 min of the game.


FLMAO - way to go scoop.

Danny
03-26-2006, 04:09 PM
I don't think we'll be looking at either of them at 16...I think we'll be looking at Greenway, Lawson and Carpenter unless Huff drops to us.Another guy we could take is Bunkly tho I think he'll be gone.

Ozzy rules!!

Boomer
03-26-2006, 04:11 PM
Bunkley will go at 8 to Buffalo.

outtawack311
03-26-2006, 04:16 PM
Bunkley will go at 8 to Buffalo.


I was thinking Ngata would go there.

Boomer
03-26-2006, 04:20 PM
Brod has had the most oustanding of draft 'pre-seasons' if you will. His stock is huge and word is that the Bills will take Bunkley over Ngata as there are concerns about Haloti's consistency, something you could never accuse Double B of.

PassRush
03-26-2006, 04:30 PM
Bunkley will go at 8 to Buffalo.

Interesting. I was 200% sure Buffalo was foaming at the mouth over Ngata. I will say this, if Buffalo takes Bunkley and Ngata slips to 16(unlikely, I know) Saban will have a very interesting decision to make

Finsfalife
03-26-2006, 04:41 PM
im very much against drafting a OL.....our line was good last year...and is only going to get better.....LB and secondary talent is harder to come by

Blitz99
03-26-2006, 04:45 PM
Winston Justice or Jimmy Williams at 16


agreed 100%

Disgustipate
03-26-2006, 05:51 PM
Wrong forum. Kiwanuka at 16 is a reach and he is a 4-3 DE. Where has he shown he can play the OLB in a 3-4? Does he have experience in coverage?

Eh, that's not really true.

A DE doesnt need experience in coverage to switch to 3-4 OLB. It helps, but there are plenty of guys who have been successful with little to no LB experience. It might take longer, and you might have to assign them limited coverages for a while, but it can do it.

He ran a 4.70 at the combine, had the 2nd best shuttle drill and a middle of the road cone drill. That's not everything, but the physical ability looks fine to me.

I dont know that Miami would draft Kiwanuka in the 1st, though. Saban seems to prefer traditional "big" type OLBs on the weak side. I think Manny Lawson could theoretically be an option, but I think we'd be limited to taking a DE/OLB maybe in the 3rd.

SR 7
03-26-2006, 06:01 PM
what about Simpson? is he a reach? i really like lawson tho and Jackson possibly but i read is negatives are his attitude to go after the ball and i dont want another chambers type of attitude rather a Booker type. Booker is the ima push you out of my way and get the extra 2 yards like Owens and CC is more of the catch and go if not ima go out of bounce WR. i haven't noticed CC evre try to push for more years or oout power anyone.

dlockz
03-26-2006, 08:47 PM
I say Justice because he could be an elite player at a position that we need better players at. I think Lawson would be an ok pick but a little high at 16 and the same for Ko Simpson. I would rather trade down and get these type of players.

Dolfndude
03-27-2006, 10:11 AM
Interesting. I was 200% sure Buffalo was foaming at the mouth over Ngata. I will say this, if Buffalo takes Bunkley and Ngata slips to 16(unlikely, I know) Saban will have a very interesting decision to make

I don't think there would be a decision to make! Welcome to Miami Haloi!!!!!!

FRB1967
03-27-2006, 12:27 PM
hey Boomer does your earlier post mean you think Ngata will be there at 16?

dominizzo
03-27-2006, 05:39 PM
Id take Kiwi!! Our Oline looks Potent

Motion
03-27-2006, 06:51 PM
Don't see the need for Kiwanuka, not to mention it'd be a reach.