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RonnieB23
03-28-2006, 03:39 PM
Check out this link. This guy has to be the worst draft expert i've seen. IMO, he's way off on about all of his ranking.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9341853

and he is from nfl network.

Skeet84
03-28-2006, 03:41 PM
I just lost respect for the NFL network. I stopped reading after TE and QB's!

Motion
03-28-2006, 03:42 PM
I disagree with his Safety rankings but other than that I think it looks pretty good.

MofoPhin
03-28-2006, 04:50 PM
not that bad except for jay cutler being #1, jonathan joseph #2 and the whole safeties list. nothing to whine about.

Geforce
03-28-2006, 04:51 PM
I would be intersted in how he came up with his rankings. He looks like he ranked some players based on popularity and production or potential.

Pennington's Rocket Arm
03-28-2006, 05:08 PM
his rankings are pretty good, with a few question marks here and there, but nothing too drastic.

Finfan14
03-28-2006, 05:33 PM
Best rankings I have seen.

What is wrong with them?

Agent51
03-28-2006, 05:48 PM
I'm also wondering what is so bad about them? Granted I haven't been able to follow the draft as much this year as I normally do since I've been super busy with traveling and stuff, but, aside from a few I personally disagree with, I don't see too much wrong, definately not enough to make someone "lose respect for NFL network", lol. The thing that gets me about that list is he lists random #s for each position, like one list has 7, another 8, another 5, another 6, but then every list has a bunch of "others" listed, so why not do a top 10, or top 15 etc of each position instead of listing a random 5-8 # and then classifying everyone else as others? Just have a set # for every list, like 10 or 15, then everyone else gets the "other" ranking, lol. Just seems unorganized to me.

SEAFinFan
03-28-2006, 07:50 PM
Am I blind or was Jimmy Williams - Va Tech (DB) not listed?

motioncityhifi
03-28-2006, 07:58 PM
its really not that bad. mayock is usually fairly good with his assesment of the draft. it raises a few eyebrows here and there but rankings always do.

Jaj
03-28-2006, 08:03 PM
I have no idea what's so wrong with it except maybe Pope is too low and maybe a couple others, but overall it's actually right on target.

Pennington's Rocket Arm
03-28-2006, 09:28 PM
Am I blind or was Jimmy Williams - Va Tech (DB) not listed?
he probably shouldn't be.

Dolfan11
03-28-2006, 09:44 PM
Looks good to me also. There's a couple of ?, but what draft "expert" doesn't have any when making his rankings?

SEAFinFan
03-28-2006, 10:43 PM
he probably shouldn't be.

Any reason why he shouldn't be? Isn't he predicted to go top 20?

Dors156
03-28-2006, 11:32 PM
:shakeno:

RonnieB23
03-30-2006, 02:42 PM
Come on people, this ranking is awful. i.e. :
Cutler #1: just stupid, the guy lost 6 games in a row and he ranks ahead of 2 guys who have 3 ntl title between them.

TE : Pope ranked #6 : every else i looked he was the 3rd TE
T : Colledge???? ahead the likes of Mcneil, Scott, Whitsworth, O'callahan
LB : B.Carpenter #9, the guy will most likely be drafted in the 1st round, early second
CB : No J.Williams, at all... J.Joseph 2nd, i know he had a good 40 but ahead of Hill.
S : I would have done a better job picking the name out of a hat.

Motion
03-30-2006, 03:22 PM
Come on people, this ranking is awful. i.e. :
Cutler #1: just stupid, the guy lost 6 games in a row and he ranks ahead of 2 guys who have 3 ntl title between them.

TE : Pope ranked #6 : every else i looked he was the 3rd TE
T : Colledge???? ahead the likes of Mcneil, Scott, Whitsworth, O'callahan
LB : B.Carpenter #9, the guy will most likely be drafted in the 1st round, early second
CB : No J.Williams, at all... J.Joseph 2nd, i know he had a good 40 but ahead of Hill.
S : I would have done a better job picking the name out of a hat.

He ranked them as pro prospects, not by how many trophies they have. The lists aren't perfect, but what list is? Its all a matter of opinion.

arsenal
03-30-2006, 03:24 PM
mayock doesn't just go with the mainstream thinking, he goes with his own scouting and put together his own assesment...

sometimes these people get caught up in the hype of certain playres and they get ranked maybe where they shouldn't... hes been a guy who doesn't get caught up in that...

Pennington's Rocket Arm
03-30-2006, 05:34 PM
Come on people, this ranking is awful. i.e. :
Cutler #1: just stupid, the guy lost 6 games in a row and he ranks ahead of 2 guys who have 3 ntl title between them.

TE : Pope ranked #6 : every else i looked he was the 3rd TE
T : Colledge???? ahead the likes of Mcneil, Scott, Whitsworth, O'callahan
LB : B.Carpenter #9, the guy will most likely be drafted in the 1st round, early second
CB : No J.Williams, at all... J.Joseph 2nd, i know he had a good 40 but ahead of Hill.
S : I would have done a better job picking the name out of a hat.
if you're going to draft players based on how many games they lost in college, or how many they won, then you'd have a very bad football team. and it's obvious you don't watch nfl network, as mayock has gone over his rankings countless times, given explanations for pretty much every player he has listed here.

BlueFin
03-30-2006, 06:23 PM
I see nothing out of line in his rankings, we won't know which of the big 3 QB's is the best for a few years, Cutler may very well end up the best of the lot.

phinfan_1
03-30-2006, 07:20 PM
Mayock watches alot of film. I'm sure he sees alot more film than we do. I agree with alot of his rankings. But not all of them.

DMarino52091
03-30-2006, 09:09 PM
i agree with a few but jay but some of those r outrageous

Roman529
03-30-2006, 09:16 PM
Jimmy Williams is one of the best if not the best d-back around,,,,right up there with Huff.....but I guess this guy would not know this. :lol:

BlueFin
03-31-2006, 08:28 AM
Come on people, this ranking is awful. i.e. :
Cutler #1: just stupid, the guy lost 6 games in a row and he ranks ahead of 2 guys who have 3 ntl title between them.

TE : Pope ranked #6 : every else i looked he was the 3rd TE
T : Colledge???? ahead the likes of Mcneil, Scott, Whitsworth, O'callahan
LB : B.Carpenter #9, the guy will most likely be drafted in the 1st round, early second
CB : No J.Williams, at all... J.Joseph 2nd, i know he had a good 40 but ahead of Hill.
S : I would have done a better job picking the name out of a hat.

Would you like me to name the long list of college QB's who won National titles that flamed out in the NFL?

One has little to do with the other.

RonnieB23
03-31-2006, 08:53 AM
if you're going to draft players based on how many games they lost in college, or how many they won, then you'd have a very bad football team. and it's obvious you don't watch nfl network, as mayock has gone over his rankings countless times, given explanations for pretty much every player he has listed here.

That may be true for every other position than Qb.

BTW, i do watch NFL network, and that doesn't mean that i buy everything they say. You can always give explanation for your choice, but it's easy when theres nobody to argue with.
And don't assume thing just to prove your point. You can agree or disagree with me, i don't care, but why discredit me when you don't know.

Pennington's Rocket Arm
03-31-2006, 09:15 AM
That may be true for every other position than Qb.
no, it's not important for any position.

Pennington's Rocket Arm
03-31-2006, 09:16 AM
Jimmy Williams is one of the best if not the best d-back around,,,,right up there with Huff.....but I guess this guy would not know this. :lol:
boomer says he's falling very hard on a lot of peoples' boards.

NorFlaFin
03-31-2006, 01:35 PM
Best list, I've seen so far. I caught these two
Marcus McNeill, Auburn - I'm guessing back(Medical) issues is why hes 6th

Brodrick Bunkley, Florida St. - Great combine and pro day? and hes past Hgata?

Springveldt
03-31-2006, 02:13 PM
Come on people, this ranking is awful. i.e. :
Cutler #1: just stupid, the guy lost 6 games in a row and he ranks ahead of 2 guys who have 3 ntl title between them.
Obviously the QB must take the blame for everything then if you are blaming Cutler for those 6 losses.
Going by that assumption you would rather have Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson over Dan Marino since those 2 have a Superbowl ring each while Dan's got none.

Spray Mucus
03-31-2006, 02:46 PM
boomer says he's falling very hard on a lot of peoples' boards.

Even so, for him to not even be ranked is a mistake on Mayocks part or a glitch in the system when they posted it.

tylerdolphin
04-01-2006, 06:15 PM
I read all of it, and I still dont see what was so horrible. He did put a few surprises in there, but what is the point of reading it if he just gives the same names as everyone else? It shows he has his own brain.

djfresh47
04-02-2006, 02:13 AM
Mayock has thought Cutler is the best Qb in the draft for awhile, I disagree but really nobody will know how good any of the players will be until 2-3 years down the road. I still think Kiper Jr. is the best draft guy, but I like to see different points of view and Mayock definately offers that which is good who wants to hear the same thing from every broadcastor?

RonnieB23
04-03-2006, 11:55 AM
Obviously the QB must take the blame for everything then if you are blaming Cutler for those 6 losses.
Going by that assumption you would rather have Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson over Dan Marino since those 2 have a Superbowl ring each while Dan's got none.

Dilfer and Johnson were bad when they were on bad team, while Marino was still amongst the elite even when the talent around him wasn't good. I have nothing against Cutler and believe he's a good prospect but i don't understand how you can put him ahead of Leinart, Cutler might have a stronger arm, but he's still unproven on a couple of point, when Leinart as proven everything there is to prove.

Pennington's Rocket Arm
04-03-2006, 03:22 PM
brad johnson wasn't bad at any point.

LarryFinFan
04-03-2006, 03:29 PM
Am I blind or was Jimmy Williams - Va Tech (DB) not listed?


I was wondering the same thing...glad someone else saw him missing besides me...

LarryFinFan
04-03-2006, 03:31 PM
Dilfer and Johnson were bad when they were on bad team, while Marino was still amongst the elite even when the talent around him wasn't good. I have nothing against Cutler and believe he's a good prospect but i don't understand how you can put him ahead of Leinart, Cutler might have a stronger arm, but he's still unproven on a couple of point, when Leinart as proven everything there is to prove.


If you watched the Senior bowl practices, which Mayock hosted, you'd have heard him rave on and on about Cutler...Personally, I didn't see him being fantastic, but he did a good job. But it was hard to listen to him talking all week long about Cutler...I agree that you can't put Cutler ahead of Leinart, and I'm not overly enamored with Leinart either...