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malzj
03-29-2006, 04:21 PM
Who do you guys think has the most potential to be a star Lb in the NFL?

Adam First
03-29-2006, 04:24 PM
This belongs in the draft forum.

AJ Hawk and Chad Greenway will be stars, no doubt.

tyson22
03-29-2006, 04:48 PM
Manny Lawson and Ernie sims, and obviously AJ Hawk(the next Zach Thomas)

blakeypremer
03-29-2006, 04:50 PM
Ive said it before but I will keep saying it again
Draft Ernie Simms!!! He Ran a 4.54, which is sick for an Lb, is 231 built as can be and has really good tackling and covering skills.
Hes a Star

Finfan14
03-29-2006, 04:51 PM
Ernie Sims is a workout warrior. Guy never made a play in college. He will be a bust.

Hawk is a stud.

Greenway is pretty good. Solid...not worth a first rounder.

Lawson will have to learn the LB position.

tyson22
03-29-2006, 04:53 PM
Ive said it before but I will keep saying it again
Draft Ernie Simms!!! He Ran a 4.54, which is sick for an Lb, is 231 built as can be and has really good tackling and covering skills.
Hes a Star


You and i are on the same page (though i would prefer Lawson) but you can also add a 41 inch vertical to sims stats 5'11" 231 with a 41" vertical:drool: thats athletic!

PhinFan0202
03-29-2006, 04:55 PM
A.J. Hawk is going to probably have the best pro career out of all the linebackers in the draft. Greenway is good but not as good a Hawk. No one mentions Abdul Hodge but i think he's a play maker in the 3-4.

ATVZ400
03-29-2006, 04:56 PM
HAWK is the best of the bunch

DUB
03-29-2006, 05:01 PM
A.J. Hawk is going to probably have the best pro career out of all the linebackers in the draft. Greenway is good but not as good a Hawk. No one mentions Abdul Hodge but i think he's a play maker in the 3-4.

Great point. If we could somehow get a 2nd and grab Hodge, he could start. He has played behind Greenway and not got much media attention. I've met him personally and Abdul is STACKED, Bob Sanders like. My list for starters in this draft would be
Sims
Hawk
Greenway
Hodge
Demarco Ryans
Manny Lawson(if OLB)

tyson22
03-29-2006, 05:03 PM
Lawson will have to learn the LB position.


- The risk/reward value on Manny is one of the highest in the 2006 class. He could never meet his expectations due to the inability to return to the LB position at a high level, or he could turn out to be one of the most dangerous linebackers in the league. Manny’s ideal situation would probably be in a 3-4, which would having him standing up, but also allow the freedom to rush the passer very, very often.

He played linebacker and was moved to d. end after his sophmore season so he wont have to learn the position.

DBoston80
03-29-2006, 05:06 PM
Lawson= Merriman IMO.

DolphanD
03-29-2006, 05:06 PM
1. Hawk
2. Ryans
3. Carpenter (DE also)
4. Greenway
5. Sims
6. Wimbley (DE also)
7. D'Qwell
8. Hodge
9. Howard
10. Lawson (DE also)

BB Ocho
03-29-2006, 05:09 PM
Chad Greenway or Manny Lawson would be good picks for Miami at #16

tyson22
03-29-2006, 05:13 PM
Lawson= Merriman IMO.


Great comparison

tyson22
03-29-2006, 05:16 PM
10. Lawson (DE also)

10th!!!:eek: Lawson WILL be one of the top 5 LBs taken in the draft! IMO
1. AJ Hawk and then Sims and Lawson tied for 2nd(different styles)

Da 'Fins
03-29-2006, 05:35 PM
So, tell me, Mods, why isn't this moved to the draft forum? When a discussion of Saban's Miami Dolphin related draft philosophy is moved there?

Doesn't make sense to me that one may not discuss the Dolphins draft posture on the draft board. But, one may discuss LB's in the draft. ???

tyson22
03-29-2006, 05:41 PM
So, tell me, Mods, why isn't this moved to the draft forum? When a discussion of Saban's Miami Dolphin related draft philosophy is moved there?

Doesn't make sense to me that one may not discuss the Dolphins draft posture on the draft board. But, one may discuss LB's in the draft. ???


:sleep: :shakeno:

Hitman13
03-29-2006, 05:46 PM
Greenway and hodge. i mean when i met them at a local atuograph signing i say greenway sitting down and im like.. whats so Awsome about him. untill he stood up. he is a f'n tank man his shoulders are like likea solid box. he looks like he means bussiness. and being from iowa i have seen him play alot. now the outback bowl agienst the gators i would have to say that was one of the many bad calls. but did you see him on that special teams onside kick. and (he was offsides somehow) anyways he will be a great assit to any team he goes to. be awsome to see him in dolphins colors. then i would have greenways autograph and mat roths auto graph. 2 of the 53 players (or how ever many i need)

NCDolphan
03-29-2006, 05:49 PM
Need I say my preference.:cooldude:

DBoston80
03-29-2006, 05:51 PM
So, tell me, Mods, why isn't this moved to the draft forum? When a discussion of Saban's Miami Dolphin related draft philosophy is moved there?

Doesn't make sense to me that one may not discuss the Dolphins draft posture on the draft board. But, one may discuss LB's in the draft. ???

:sidelol:

tyson22
03-29-2006, 06:03 PM
Need I say my preference.:cooldude:

so its safe to say that you also disagree with the other poster that has him ranked as the 10th best linebacker available!

dan the fin
03-29-2006, 06:38 PM
PROJECTION:

Miami Dolphins
Round 1, Pick 16
Jay Drowns/TSN
Overall grade: 8.3
Position rank: 3
225lb bench: 13
NFL comparison:
Keith Brooking, Falcons


CHAD GREENWAY MEASURABLES
Height: 6-2 Weight: 240
40-yard dash: 4.58 10-yard dash: 1.64
20-yard shuttle: 4.22 60-yard shuttle: 11.40
Broad jump: 10-0 225-lb. bench: 19
3-cone drill: 7.00 Vertical jump: 38
Wonderlic: 20-yard dash: 2.74

KEY » * Recently updated Position grade increased Position grade decreased
Chad Greenway
OLB, Iowa

War Room analysis
Against the inside run: Is aggressive; showing power and explosiveness in tight spaces. Is tough. Attacks the line of scrimmage. Uses hands well to shed blockers. Must strengthen lower body and bulk up to be a force against NFL linemen. Grade: 8.2.

Against the outside run: Is a sideline-to-sideline playmaker with great speed and quickness. Has great lateral pursuit, takes good angles to the ball and shows an explosive burst. Seals the backside in pursuit and fills cutback lanes. Grade: 8.5.

Blitz/coverage:: Is active. Shows great quickness and instincts on blitzes and a closing pass-rush burst. Has all the physical tools in coverage -- can turn and run with running backs and tight ends, and drops quickly into his zone. Must develop better man-to-man skills downfield. Grade: 8.2.

Run/pass recognition: Shows great awareness, and reads plays quickly and correctly. Rarely takes false steps or gets caught out of position. Grade: 8.3.

Pursuit/tackling: Uses great body control and vision to break down and make tackles in pursuit, shutting down cutback lanes. Is a steady yet explosive tackler in open field. Grade: 8.3.

Bottom line: Greenway has all the tools -- great speed, attitude, intelligence and work ethic -- to be an outstanding weakside linebacker. There are some concerns about a serious knee injury in '02 and he still needs to get stronger, but Greenway should be able to contribute as a rookie, possibly even start. Expect him to be selected in the middle of the first round.

Dan Pompei analysis
Athletic, every-down linebacker who can run, cover and rush the passer. Is tough, aggressive and smart. Has explosiveness and likes to hit.

NEWS

Greenway was generally pleased with his Combine performance but was disappointed in his 40-yard dash time. And he says his vertical leap was a little below his usual performance. Greenway was interviewed by 19 teams, including by Steelers coach Bill Cowher. -- Associated Press

dan the fin
03-29-2006, 06:40 PM
PROJECTION:

Jacksonville Jaguars
Round 1, Pick 28
Bob Leverone/TSN
Overall grade: 7.5
Position rank: 4
225lb bench: 41
NFL comparison:
Jason Taylor, Dolphins


MANNY LAWSON MEASURABLES
Height: 6-5 Weight: 241
40-yard dash: 4.43 10-yard dash: 1.53
20-yard shuttle: 4.18 60-yard shuttle: 11.08
Broad jump: 10-4 225-lb. bench: 23
3-cone drill: 6.90 Vertical jump: 39
Wonderlic: 20-yard dash: 2.53

KEY » * Recently updated Position grade increased Position grade decreased
Manny Lawson
DE, NC State

War Room analysis
Strengths: Is an outstanding natural athlete with rare speed. Plays bigger than his size would indicate. Is an explosive tackler. As a pass rusher, flies off the edge and shows a great closing burst. Is raw, but continues to develop pass-rush moves. Has steadily matured. Shows the speed to blow past top offensive tackles. Chases down the ball well in pursuit. Shows good instincts, takes good angles to the ball and makes sound open-field tackles. Is a demon on special teams. Works hard in the weight room, and shows the potential to add bulk.

Weaknesses: Is undersized. Must strengthen lower body and play with better leverage at the point of attack. Can get overwhelmed against the run. Must learn to use hands better to shed blocks; relies too much on strong upper body.

Bottom line: Lawson is a physical specimen with freakish strength and terrific running and leaping ability. He must polish his all-around game but has unlimited potential. With added bulk, he can be a good every-down end. With his current skills, he also could play outside linebacker in a 3-4 scheme.

NEWS

Look for Lawson to go higher in the draft than expected, especially with so many teams switching to a 3-4 scheme and desperately in search of outside linebackers who can rush the passer. Cleveland, New England and Pittsburgh are always searching for guys like Lawson. -- War Room scouts

krazikarl
03-29-2006, 06:40 PM
jon alston might be available in the 4th and would be a perfect fit as the coverage/pass rush lb in our 3-4. tall, fast (could do with some more weight) and a knack for plays behind the line of scrimmage. also, he played against alot of the better/more complex offenses in the ncaa (pac10).

lezgogents!!

icephinfan
03-29-2006, 06:41 PM
chad Greenway Licks Scrotum


:shakeno:

Dolfan11
03-29-2006, 06:42 PM
Ernie Sims/AJ Hawk/Manny Lawson will all be stars. However, I see Lawson having the impact, similar, that Demarcus Ware had with the Cowboys. Maybe not the same production in his rookie year, but a definite star on the rise being able to rush as a DE and play the LB spot.

Oh yeah, Chad Greenway? Can he knock down a RB? I'm more of a person who judges the players how they play on the field, not on their workouts, but if someone does exceptionaly well or vice versa, a question mark is raised. I don't like Greenway, if he's there in the 2nd (and we get a 2nd) I'll take him. Not in the 1st though.

DMarino52091
03-29-2006, 06:46 PM
hawk no doubt

playmaker1
03-29-2006, 08:22 PM
I would love to have Lawson or Carpenter on the Dolphins if we can't get LaVar