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DaPoppaP23
04-03-2006, 05:39 PM
if we don't get the chance to upgrade our OL by drafting Winston Justice or by signing a veteran... does anybody think that Saban will give Eric Winston (the OT from the U) a look to see if maybe if could fill our OL void... he's another big guy that could add depth and possibly start for us

DolfanChris06
04-03-2006, 05:42 PM
he's a starter first of all a Hell of a player when healthy but we dont have a 2nd and will be long gone in the 3rd! we wont take him at that spot

dominizzo
04-03-2006, 05:46 PM
Hes Dropping in the draft like a hotcake

greatwade
04-03-2006, 05:48 PM
maybe we could pick him up as a UFA. Damn that's harsh. I like the guy, he seems very intelligent & nice, but he's going to be eaten alive by athletic DE's in the "League". He just is.

Boomer
04-03-2006, 05:51 PM
He's a RT primarily and has short arms, something that the coaching staff just don't dig.

dominizzo
04-03-2006, 05:53 PM
He's a RT primarily and has short arms, something that the coaching staff just don't dig.

Agree:dolphins:

Mr.305
04-03-2006, 06:09 PM
I dont think he is for us. I wouldnt draft him. Just not first ound talent

Marino2234
04-03-2006, 06:20 PM
Have u guys done your homework one this guy, bc all the sites i read say that if he can get back to form pre injury then this guy could be a steal at the bottom of the first round

havthephinfan
04-03-2006, 06:25 PM
personaly i think our line is going to better with hudson houck in his second
year .:dolphins:

NJL52
04-03-2006, 06:36 PM
What are you guys talking about? Winston was predicted top 5 last year until he blew his knee out. The only reason he has plummeted is because he hasn't came back to full speed after the injury.

He was athletic enough to get recruited to Miami as a tight end. He was talented enough to be a top 5 pick after his junior year. He is just not lucky enough to come back to full speed after his injury.

However, I still think he will be a steal because the second year after a major injury is always the breakout year. He will be a second rounder that has a huge impact for whatever team picks him.

oldfinfan
04-03-2006, 06:55 PM
if we don't get the chance to upgrade our OL by drafting Winston Justice or by signing a veteran... does anybody think that Saban will give Eric Winston (the OT from the U) a look to see if maybe if could fill our OL void... he's another big guy that could add depth and possibly start for us

Not with the first pick, and he'll be long gone by the 3rd round...only chance is if we trade down.

kpcane
04-03-2006, 06:59 PM
I agree with the people talking about him in the first round. This guy was a major talent before his injury last year. I remember somebody, Kehoe I believe, saying that Winston was the best tackle he's ever coached (this includes Mount McKinnie and Vernon Carey).
He's a risk and a reach for us, and I'd rather have a guy on defense. I like him a lot, and would love to get him, but we have other needs. He is definitely a steal for whoever takes him.

jlfin
04-03-2006, 07:01 PM
he's a starter first of all a Hell of a player when healthy but we dont have a 2nd and will be long gone in the 3rd! we wont take him at that spot

He's not a hell of a player. I'm a UM fan and quite frankly he did not impress me at all this season. I saw him get beat fairly frequently by pretty average DE's. He didn't look the least bit dominant.
I see him as a very average NFL OT.
I think the Phins would do well to pass on him.
I'd rather see the Phins trade down and pick up Mangold. Now he's an O-lineman that I see as a potentially special player.

Pepper2Chambers
04-03-2006, 07:32 PM
How about no

DolphanD
04-03-2006, 07:46 PM
What do you guys think of Jonathan Scott from UT?

oldfinfan
04-03-2006, 07:49 PM
What do you guys think of Jonathan Scott from UT?

Good, but just like with Eric Winston, not with # 16...Justice, yes.

DaPoppaP23
04-03-2006, 07:54 PM
Good, but just like with Eric Winston, not with # 16...Justice, yes.
yea but know theres a report that the Jets really like him and are possibly thinking of drafting him

oldfinfan
04-03-2006, 07:58 PM
yea but know theres a report that the Jets really like him and are possibly thinking of drafting him

Which one...Eric Winston or Justice...either one in my opinion will be way too high with # 4...but, if they do draft either one eith their 1st pick (4th overall), it just shows that there are idiots running the Jets...

DolphanD
04-03-2006, 07:58 PM
yea but know theres a report that the Jets really like him and are possibly thinking of drafting him


As a fan of Jon Scott I would hate to see him in one of those ugly green uni's. :tantrum:

DaPoppaP23
04-03-2006, 08:00 PM
Which one...Eric Winston or Justice...either one in my opinion will be way too high with # 4...but, if they do draft either one eith their 1st pick (4th overall), it just shows that there are idiots running the Jets...
Winston...

DolphanD
04-03-2006, 08:01 PM
Which one...Eric Winston or Justice...either one in my opinion will be way too high with # 4...but, if they do draft either one eith their 1st pick (4th overall), it just shows that there are idiots running the Jets...

No, with their later 1st rounder they got from the Abraham deal. #29 I believe. -- That would be funny if they took Eric, Justice, or Scott with the 4th overall!

DaPoppaP23
04-03-2006, 08:01 PM
As a fan of Jon Scott I would hate to see him in one of those ugly green uni's. :tantrum:
i would hate to see any player of value or talent wearing those puke green uni's

DolphanD
04-03-2006, 08:02 PM
Or is there a rumor the Jets would take Justice with the 4th overall?

DolphanD
04-03-2006, 08:03 PM
i would hate to see any player of value or talent wearing those puke green uni's

And it always seems to be a player from the U like Vilma or Santana Moss.

DaPoppaP23
04-03-2006, 08:04 PM
Or is there a rumor the Jets would take Justice with the 4th overall?
i'm not real sure if it was with the 4th but its illogical to assume its not with the 4th because he won't be around for too long... they really like his athleticism

oldfinfan
04-03-2006, 08:46 PM
No, with their later 1st rounder they got from the Abraham deal. #29 I believe. -- That would be funny if they took Eric, Justice, or Scott with the 4th overall!

That makes more sense...but. I still think Justice will not be there at 29th...Winston and Scott, probably.

NJL52
04-03-2006, 08:51 PM
He's not a hell of a player. I'm a UM fan and quite frankly he did not impress me at all this season. I saw him get beat fairly frequently by pretty average DE's. He didn't look the least bit dominant.
I see him as a very average NFL OT.
I think the Phins would do well to pass on him.
I'd rather see the Phins trade down and pick up Mangold. Now he's an O-lineman that I see as a potentially special player.

Thats because, in case you didn't watch the 2004 games, he had a major ACL tear. Last year was his first year back from the injury.

In 9/10 cases of an ACL tear your first year is a major down year. Pretty much every player vastly improves in their second year. So I predict he will be the number 1 steal for offensive linemen for the 2006 draft class if he is taken in the second.

jlfin
04-03-2006, 10:53 PM
Thats because, in case you didn't watch the 2004 games, he had a major ACL tear. Last year was his first year back from the injury.

In 9/10 cases of an ACL tear your first year is a major down year. Pretty much every player vastly improves in their second year. So I predict he will be the number 1 steal for offensive linemen for the 2006 draft class if he is taken in the second.

I watch every year, but the fact is, that at times he looked horrible this past season.
I didn't expect him to dominate, but I did expect him to hold his own. However, there were a few games where he just looked awful.
He's definitely not worth an early to mid 1st rd pick. In fact, I think he's a mid 2nd rd to 3rd rd guy.
I'd be happy if we got him with our 3rd rd pick, but for some to suggest he's worth the 16th pick after the Sr. year he had is just crazy.

Boomer
04-04-2006, 05:13 AM
Winston Justice won't get out of the top 12. Jon Scott is a waist bending lunger, more suited to the right side whose technique at times is awful. Winston is a 2nd round RT who should have stayed a TE.

musphinzfan
04-04-2006, 02:51 PM
Winston Justice won't get out of the top 12. Jon Scott is a waist bending lunger, more suited to the right side whose technique at times is awful. Winston is a 2nd round RT who should have stayed a TE.


Your right winston shoulda stayed at TE....he was next in line.

kpcane
04-04-2006, 03:12 PM
Winston Justice won't get out of the top 12. Jon Scott is a waist bending lunger, more suited to the right side whose technique at times is awful. Winston is a 2nd round RT who should have stayed a TE.

Yeah because Winston was better than the highest drafted TE ever in Kellen Winslow? Or better than 2nd round draft pick Kevin Everett? Or better than future 1st rounder Greg Olsen?

Winston was very wise to move to LT. If he never got injured that move would have paid huge dividends. Unfortunately he's going to have to wait to make his money now.