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SamBoSqueezy
04-09-2006, 12:01 PM
Draft threads belong in the draft forum.

What do you guys think of Miami drafting #4 D. Hester the kid from the Miami Hurricanes. Maybe in the 3rd if hes still around.

footballer
04-09-2006, 12:09 PM
if we dont get a corner in the first, then why not? hes got mad return game, and big play capability...but he may be more of a luxury pick for a team that can actually afford to come away from the draft with " project type " players...

all said, son has skill, and i'd love him here, but at what price..? depends on what need can be filled in the 3rd..

we just have to see how it all unfolds.

AjFazz85
04-09-2006, 12:13 PM
Great athlete and all but he didn't play much b/c he couldn't grasp the playbook.

DeeAy3000
04-09-2006, 12:14 PM
I took him in the 3rd of our GM League, and I'm practically the hottest young GM prospect in the nation. It has my approval.

chumbag
04-09-2006, 12:14 PM
I would'nt. I am a cane alumni and fan, and after seeing him, all he has going for him is speed. He could never claim the starting spot on d. They tried him on offense he he really didnt do anything there either except the occasional reverse.

NickJr.
04-09-2006, 12:28 PM
I think Hester is one of the most overrated players in the country. He's fast. But not even the fastest guy from the U(Moss). They tried to put him at WR but he couldn't learn the plays. They tried to play him at CB, but he has terrible technique. They tried to put him at RB, but all he could run was a sweep. The guy is stupid. I don't like to talk trash about a guy, but I know people that know him. The guy could NEVER learn a NFL playbook. He's a carreer kick returner. If you want to draft a return man in the 3rd when we already have Wes and Kelly Campbell, then that's your choice.

kpcane
04-09-2006, 01:03 PM
You know, I was getting hammered as a "homer" because I said we should take him in the 4th. Good luck convincing people we should spend a 3rd on him.

I agree with what footballer said...he's a "luxury pick". If we can fill our need at OLB in the first, I say we take him in the 3rd. If you work with this guy, maybe even baby him a little bit (i.e. give him homework assignments on the playbook, go through the fundamentals, etc.) he could be something.

Pennington's Rocket Arm
04-09-2006, 02:18 PM
absolutely not.

Finsfan79
04-09-2006, 02:33 PM
he doesnt have a position. Heck, he couldnt start at Cornerback at UM. I think he is a better fit at WR in the NFL honestly.

kpcane
04-09-2006, 02:41 PM
Heck, he couldnt start at Cornerback at UM.

Yeah if you can't start at corner at UM, you must suck. I mean, let's not act like Kelly Jennings and Marcus Maxey aren't legit 2nd rounders for a minute. Those guys were trained as corners for 4 years, and Hester was a WR his entire time there. I would expect the guys who were in the system for 4 years to beat out a new guy too.

Pennington's Rocket Arm
04-09-2006, 03:16 PM
exactly why he shouldn't be drafted in the 3rd round.

Geforce
04-09-2006, 03:46 PM
Hester biggest contribution to any team right now will be as a return specialist and maybe for some trick plays on offense. He could be come what Dante Hall is for KC.

uga3406
04-09-2006, 04:56 PM
i think hester is not worth the pick or look..there r much betters wrs then him in the later rounds...i love the stovall from nd and that demetrius williams from orgeon can be a sleeper in the 4th rd if still there.i saw him tear up the pac 10 this season...he is not bad

Roman529
04-09-2006, 05:53 PM
I don't think so....we already got Welker running back kicks/punts...I think in the 3rd you have to look for a lineman, or maybe a LB, if we don't get Arrington or if we take a WR or Safety in the 1st.

NorthFloridaFin
04-09-2006, 06:54 PM
If we are just looking for a return man, why not get Willie Reid. He is a better punt returner than Hester and can contribute on offense as a slot receiver who isn't afraid to go over the middle.

Pennington's Rocket Arm
04-09-2006, 07:44 PM
willie reid is absolutely NOT a better returner than hester.

cdgman08
04-12-2006, 07:26 PM
Look, if the harrington deal doesn't fall into place, we'll need a backup better then brock berlin. I'd say that we should take omar jacobs in the third

MiamiMan147
04-12-2006, 07:46 PM
Hester will never be a starter, or even a decent backup, anywhere except special teams.

kpcane
04-12-2006, 10:09 PM
Hester will never be a starter, or even a decent backup, anywhere except special teams.

And you know this because...? Never count out an athlete like this guy.

NickJr.
04-12-2006, 10:26 PM
willie reid is absolutely NOT a better returner than hester.

He's one of the best in the nation. See Acc Championship and orange bowl. Reid ran the 2nd fastest 40 time at the combine and you know he's not afraid to take a hit because he's played RB for FSU. The big difference is that Reid can play WR well from the slot and Hester has no position.

P.S. Seems to me like all of Hester's returns last year were against JV teams.

kpcane
04-12-2006, 11:06 PM
He's one of the best in the nation. See Acc Championship and orange bowl. Reid ran the 2nd fastest 40 time at the combine and you know he's not afraid to take a hit because he's played RB for FSU. The big difference is that Reid can play WR well from the slot and Hester has no position.

P.S. Seems to me like all of Hester's returns last year were against JV teams.

Nobody kicks to Hester anymore. He only had one punt return for a TD last year, and still averaged over 14 yards per punt return. It didn't really matter what they did...we always got good field position because of Hester, or at least the presence of him. Reid's not even in the same class. He had some huge seams to run through.

NickJr.
04-13-2006, 12:23 AM
Nobody kicks to Hester anymore. He only had one punt return for a TD last year, and still averaged over 14 yards per punt return. It didn't really matter what they did...we always got good field position because of Hester, or at least the presence of him. Reid's not even in the same class. He had some huge seams to run through.

You missed my point. Hester is a great return man, but that's his only ability. Willie Reid can contribute as a reciever and he's a good return man.



Reid's not even in the same class. He had some huge seams to run through


That's rediculous. Those returns were in big games against teams with strong special teams.(VT is famous for thiers.) Also, then you could say what's hester done lately. For a guy with only 1 skill you need to do it more than once a year.

NickJr.
04-13-2006, 12:28 AM
Also, here's a quote from Boomer about Hester:



He ran a great 40 time of 4.32, a rather less decent short shuttle of 4.20, 16 on the bench, 38 inch vertical. I've heard no interest from the Dolphins. Why would they need a player who has no position? Great return man, but we have Welker and Kelly Campbell. I don't see it.

MiamiDolphins34
04-13-2006, 05:07 AM
Also, here's a quote from Boomer about Hester:

Yea,because Welker and Campbell are better than Hester..:sidelol: puhhlease.

Alex44
04-13-2006, 05:20 AM
Hester will never be a starter, or even a decent backup, anywhere except special teams.

As of now im on that bandwagon to

But if he really is dedicated Ive seen the guy play a lot and he does have a lot of raw potential, so if he is willing to put in the work and develop his skills at one position in 3-4 years he could be a very solid starter at either WR or DB

Flyer22
04-13-2006, 08:05 AM
Yea,because Welker and Campbell are better than Hester..:sidelol: puhhlease.
No...he's saying that since we have Welker and Campbell kick returner is not a need, especially one to fill in the third round. For the record, Welker and Campbell are better than Hester. Until Hester joins a team and starts returning kicks (and that's all he'll do), you don't know how well he will do in the NFL.

kpcane
04-13-2006, 10:07 AM
That's rediculous. Those returns were in big games against teams with strong special teams.(VT is famous for thiers.) Also, then you could say what's hester done lately. For a guy with only 1 skill you need to do it more than once a year.

You're the one that's missing the point. Teams actually kicked to Willie Reid. Reid got 9 more punt returns than Hester, and I remember several times Hester wouldn't call for a fair catch because he got so few opportunities. But let's think about this. Why would Willie Reid have more punt returns than Hester? FSU's defense was better? Nope. Miami's total defense was more than 30 yards per game better, and their scoring defense was about 8 points per game better. You can't return punts if they don't kick it to you. If I had time I'd check to see what their punt return average was on non-TD scoring returns, and I'd guarantee you Hester's would be better.

kpcane
04-13-2006, 10:08 AM
No...he's saying that since we have Welker and Campbell kick returner is not a need, especially one to fill in the third round. For the record, Welker and Campbell are better than Hester. Until Hester joins a team and starts returning kicks (and that's all he'll do), you don't know how well he will do in the NFL.

Uh yeah and Charlie Batch is better than Matt Leinart.

kpcane
04-13-2006, 10:09 AM
Yea,because Welker and Campbell are better than Hester..:sidelol: puhhlease.

Yeah I don't really buy this "Boomer" guy either. Hester would be an immediate upgrade over Welker and Campbell.

Pennington's Rocket Arm
04-13-2006, 10:12 AM
he didn't say they were better returnmen. he said drafting a guy who only returns kicks is useless when we already have TWO good ones.

NickJr.
04-13-2006, 10:35 AM
he didn't say they were better returnmen. he said drafting a guy who only returns kicks is useless when we already have TWO good ones.

Exactly. My point wasn't that Reid is a better return man that Hester. What I said is that Hester is only a return man, Reid's a better pick because he's also a polished reciever. Plus he's a good return man. Jeez... As far as being down on Boomer, I think most people on this site would disagree with you. Boomer is one of the smartest people on the site. He's the draft Guru.

Geforce
04-13-2006, 11:01 AM
You're the one that's missing the point. Teams actually kicked to Willie Reid. Reid got 9 more punt returns than Hester, and I remember several times Hester wouldn't call for a fair catch because he got so few opportunities. But let's think about this. Why would Willie Reid have more punt returns than Hester? FSU's defense was better? Nope. Miami's total defense was more than 30 yards per game better, and their scoring defense was about 8 points per game better. You can't return punts if they don't kick it to you. If I had time I'd check to see what their punt return average was on non-TD scoring returns, and I'd guarantee you Hester's would be better.
WOW!! 9 more punt returns! That's less than one more per game so that's not a big enough reason to say teams actually kicked more to Reid than Hester. Hester's problem (IMO) is that he started to believe his own hype rather than working hard enough to live up to it.

nick1
04-13-2006, 11:05 AM
Hester is a good looking prospect at WR but he didn't really have a true position in college. he has tons of talent and is a beast of a return man but he must learn to play WR

Flyer22
04-13-2006, 11:35 AM
Uh yeah and Charlie Batch is better than Matt Leinart.
Don't misconstrue my comments for the sake of argument. You and I both know that comparing Leinart and Batch is different than comparing two kick-returners. Hester is a great athelete and a great kick returner, and with time he may take snaps as a wide receiver in the NFL. The Dolphins don't need a kick returner, however, and a wide receiver would be picked to contribute immediately. Hester simply is not the right pick for Miami in the third round, especially when the team only has 6 picks remaining.

MiamiDolphins34
04-13-2006, 01:22 PM
Yeah I don't really buy this "Boomer" guy either. Hester would be an immediate upgrade over Welker and Campbell.

Yea..and better agree with him or else he gets biatchy and disses people:rolleyes2

Pennington's Rocket Arm
04-13-2006, 01:35 PM
everyone likes to down the guys above them. boomer knows more about the draft than anyone here. and he's right on with this issue especially.

MiamiDolphins34
04-13-2006, 01:40 PM
everyone likes to down the guys above them. boomer knows more about the draft than anyone here. and he's right on with this issue especially.

That doesnt mean hes always right.:rolleyes2

Pennington's Rocket Arm
04-13-2006, 01:42 PM
he definitely is here.

NickJr.
04-13-2006, 04:22 PM
Boomer knows more about the draft than anyone here. and he's right on with this issue especially.

Yep. I'm not Saying Hester won't be a good return man in the NFL. What I'm saying is that he's 1-dimensional and is a project at best for WR. No way he plays corner in the NFL and you can only make so much of an impact if all you can do is return kicks.

malzacher
04-13-2006, 04:48 PM
hester is SICk at returning kicks and punts. He is fast but not the fastest(moss) was, hester has mad return skills, he has unbelievable acceleration. He is the fastest ive ever seen from 0-60. yes he lacked the smarts, but he will be good one day, i see him playing wr for some reason in the NFL not db not cb but wr. And no, i do not see Mr.Saban picking up Hester.

MiamiDolphins34
04-13-2006, 04:50 PM
Im not sure whether id spend a 3rd on Hester but id sure spend a 4th on him because he can win you games like Dante Hall or give you good field position.

Flyer22
04-13-2006, 05:04 PM
Im not sure whether id spend a 3rd on Hester but id sure spend a 4th on him because he can win you games like Dante Hall or give you good field position. Kick returning doesn't really win games. The top three teams in avg. kick return yards last year were:
1. Buffalo 2. Houston 3. NY Jets

The Super Bowl champion Steelers were 21st in the NFL. The Seahawks were 16th. The Broncos were 25th, the Panthers were 27th, the Colts were 28th,and the Bears were 29th.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=teamreturn&pos=off&league=nfl&season=2&year=2005

kpcane
04-13-2006, 05:06 PM
WOW!! 9 more punt returns! That's less than one more per game so that's not a big enough reason to say teams actually kicked more to Reid than Hester. Hester's problem (IMO) is that he started to believe his own hype rather than working hard enough to live up to it.

I'd say 9 more punt returns is a significant number, considering they each had 10 games with punt returns. Why don't you ask a statistician if they think that's significant. The only problem Hester had, is that he began to return anything that was remotely returnable, because he had so few opportunities. Even with those mistakes he still managed over 14 yards per return.

kpcane
04-13-2006, 05:08 PM
Yea..and better agree with him or else he gets biatchy and disses people:rolleyes2

Yeah I've seen it first hand.

kpcane
04-13-2006, 05:12 PM
Kick returning doesn't really win games. The top three teams in avg. kick return yards last year were:
1. Buffalo 2. Houston 3. NY Jets

The Super Bowl champion Steelers were 21st in the NFL. The Seahawks were 16th. The Broncos were 25th, the Panthers were 27th, the Colts were 28th,and the Bears were 29th.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=teamreturn&pos=off&league=nfl&season=2&year=2005

Well I guess you can also say that defense doesn't really win games either. Baltimore was 5th, Green Bay was 7th, and Arizona was 8th.

The point is, you need many components to win games, and field position is a huge factor, because it puts less pressure on the offense, and allows the defense to afford to be creative. I think offensive and defensive lines are most important, and then special teams are second in determining who wins games.

kpcane
04-13-2006, 05:14 PM
Don't misconstrue my comments for the sake of argument. You and I both know that comparing Leinart and Batch is different than comparing two kick-returners. Hester is a great athelete and a great kick returner, and with time he may take snaps as a wide receiver in the NFL. The Dolphins don't need a kick returner, however, and a wide receiver would be picked to contribute immediately. Hester simply is not the right pick for Miami in the third round, especially when the team only has 6 picks remaining.

I didn't misconstrue anything. You said Hester was not as good as Welker or Campbell because you "don't know what he'll do in the NFL". So the same can be said about Leinart.

Flyer22
04-13-2006, 05:23 PM
Well I guess you can also say that defense doesn't really win games either. Baltimore was 5th, Green Bay was 7th, and Arizona was 8th.
The statistics you bring up are for yards allowed, one measure of defense (In addition to takeaways, sacks, pash/rush yds. allowed, etc.). There's one problem here. You ignored that:

Tampa Bay was 1st, Chicago was 2nd, Carolina was 3rd, Pittsburgh was 4th, Jacksonville was 6th, Washington was 9th, and Indianapolis was 11th.

Of the top 11 in yards allowed, only Dallas and the three you mentioned didn't make it to the playoffs.

Flyer22
04-13-2006, 05:34 PM
I didn't misconstrue anything. You said Hester was not as good as Welker or Campbell because you "don't know what he'll do in the NFL". So the same can be said about Leinart.
Here's the difference:
Welker: Proven good NFL kick returner = better than unproven college kick returner

Batch: Proven terrible NFL QB = not comparable to college superstar

I would say a good, proven NFL starter like Delhomme or Roethlisberger is better than Leinart, simply because Leinart could end up being a bust. You did misconstrue my comments by assuming I meant that any NFL player is better than any college player.

MiamiDolphins34
04-13-2006, 05:34 PM
Kick returning doesn't really win games. The top three teams in avg. kick return yards last year were:
1. Buffalo 2. Houston 3. NY Jets

The Super Bowl champion Steelers were 21st in the NFL. The Seahawks were 16th. The Broncos were 25th, the Panthers were 27th, the Colts were 28th,and the Bears were 29th.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=teamreturn&pos=off&league=nfl&season=2&year=2005

Dante Hall didnt win a SB for the Chiefs but he sure won several games for the Chiefs.

kpcane
12-12-2006, 12:46 PM
bumping for the fun of it

nick1
12-12-2006, 01:06 PM
Hester is amazing, I was wondering why Lovie Smith didn't have him returning kick-offs in the first place. he will add at least one more to the record with 3 games still left

Boomer
12-17-2006, 12:29 PM
Yea..and better agree with him or else he gets biatchy and disses people:rolleyes2

FLMAO @ this.

MiamiDolphins34
12-20-2006, 07:31 AM
I wanted us to draft him:fire: .Hes bailing the bears out with TDs on punts n kickoffs.