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SkapePhin
04-09-2006, 03:30 PM
How would that work? Say we sign both Arrington and Harrington before the draft..

So what if the BPA at 16 is a QB or LB.. Would we really take them? That would be ALOT of money in those positions.. Would it really be feasible?

Roman529
04-09-2006, 03:33 PM
How would that work? Say we sign both Arrington and Harrington before the draft..

So what if the BPA at 16 is a QB or LB.. Would we really take them? That would be ALOT of money in those positions.. Would it really be feasible?

I think we are going to take a Wide Receiver first (Santonio or Chad)...if we don't sign Arrington we might go after an LB but I doubt it....I think we go WR first then a D-back, then an O-lineman.

Jimmy James
04-09-2006, 03:47 PM
Saban isn't an advocate of pure BPA like I am.

He appears to select areas where the team needs help and select the best player available from among those positions. He indicated yesterday that it's pretty likely that LB and WR are the big two areas at the moment. I imagine CB and S will join those two to form the positions he'll be looking at. QB may also be included, but that's a moot point for the first rounder unless somebody does fall to 16.

This isn't the approach I prefer, but I can't argue with the results last year.

RWhitney014
04-09-2006, 03:57 PM
It would be BPA among the positions of need, I think. Obviously if we sign Lavar, we're not drafting Chad Greenway just because he's there, nor would we draft Reggie Bush (I know he's not making it, but it's an example). We're probably going to draft the BPA of WR, CB, and S, maybe DL. But as more and more time passes, I think they are going to want Chad Jackson.

Se7eN
04-09-2006, 03:59 PM
he'll probably look at WR-LB-DB-OL and pick whichever position has the best player out of all of those

SCall13
04-09-2006, 04:01 PM
I think it will be the best OL, S, CB, or WR available. (O-line being the least likely).It will be whoever Saban thinks is best out of those positions. With that many positions, it's hard to imagine any pick being a reach.

Fin Fan in Cali
04-09-2006, 04:08 PM
How would that work? Say we sign both Arrington and Harrington before the draft..

So what if the BPA at 16 is a QB or LB.. Would we really take them? That would be ALOT of money in those positions.. Would it really be feasible?If by chance we get Arrington, and Harrington, then I think Nick will look at CB, or WR. These are needed for depth and we need a good quality 3rd wide receiver. Ol could be in there as well. However Houck can mold OL lineman with qualities in the mid to late rounds. We will see where Nick feels he needs to go. He could trade down and pick up a 2nd from the right team and still get some great players as well.

KingCsonka
04-09-2006, 04:39 PM
I think he'll look for BPA in certain areas of need but if the right player falls Saban will take him regardless of whether or not it is an area of strength.

Pennington's Rocket Arm
04-09-2006, 04:46 PM
It would be BPA among the positions of need, I think. Obviously if we sign Lavar, we're not drafting Chad Greenway just because he's there, nor would we draft Reggie Bush (I know he's not making it, but it's an example). We're probably going to draft the BPA of WR, CB, and S, maybe DL. But as more and more time passes, I think they are going to want Chad Jackson.
i'm pretty sure we'd draft reggie bush. and i don't see a problem with drafting a linebacker even after signing arrington. depth is very important on defense, especially in the front 7.

Roman529
04-09-2006, 04:47 PM
If by chance we get Arrington, and Harrington, then I think Nick will look at CB, or WR. These are needed for depth and we need a good quality 3rd wide receiver. Ol could be in there as well. However Houck can mold OL lineman with qualities in the mid to late rounds. We will see where Nick feels he needs to go. He could trade down and pick up a 2nd from the right team and still get some great players as well.

I would love to see us maybe trade down with Denver and get their 2nd pick of the first round and maybe Denver could throw us a 2nd or 3rd rounder as well? Not sure they would do this, but Denver has two first rounders so I think we could deal with them. Unfortunately Denver moved to the #15 spot and I think they are going to grab Santonio Holmes.

havanahec
04-09-2006, 04:53 PM
If by chance we get Arrington, and Harrington, then I think Nick will look at CB, or WR. These are needed for depth and we need a good quality 3rd wide receiver. Ol could be in there as well. However Houck can mold OL lineman with qualities in the mid to late rounds. We will see where Nick feels he needs to go. He could trade down and pick up a 2nd from the right team and still get some great players as well.

IMO, we have depth at cb and wr. The most important position I think we need to address is a run clogging DT.

mdolp1
04-09-2006, 04:55 PM
How would that work? Say we sign both Arrington and Harrington before the draft..

So what if the BPA at 16 is a QB or LB.. Would we really take them? That would be ALOT of money in those positions.. Would it really be feasible?


I would hope we trade down...pick up a second rounder and perhaps
later round pick and be able to still draft a solid wr like Sinoris Moss later in the first round.:dolphins:

Tureo
04-09-2006, 04:57 PM
If by chance we get Arrington, and Harrington, then I think Nick will look at CB, or WR. These are needed for depth and we need a good quality 3rd wide receiver. Ol could be in there as well. However Houck can mold OL lineman with qualities in the mid to late rounds. We will see where Nick feels he needs to go. He could trade down and pick up a 2nd from the right team and still get some great players as well.

Sounds good to me

RWhitney014
04-09-2006, 05:00 PM
i'm pretty sure we'd draft reggie bush. and i don't see a problem with drafting a linebacker even after signing arrington. depth is very important on defense, especially in the front 7.

If Ricky's back plus Ronnie's contract, you'd be committing a LOT of money to the RB position. Too much money, in fact. Not to mention there wouldn't be any way to make him effective. It's a totally moot debate, of course.

Depth may be important on defense, but I call Arrington-Thomas-Crowder-Spragan-Hodge-Pope-Taylor in the 3-4 plenty of depth. We have Cooper, Bell, Hill, and Tillman for the safety spots, Daniels, Allen, Poole, Goodman, and an empty dime spot (Hill could play there; Shirdonya Mitchell, Eddie Jackson, or a draft pick/extra veteran signing could too).

I think it comes down to the WR corps. Chambers and Book are 1-2, obviously. I personally think Welker is fine as a 3 and great as a 4. Campbell will be 5 and special teams guy. I'd love to see them bring in a deep threat like Chad Jackson to compliment Chambers' deep threat and Book/Wes' production/possession. That's where I think the combo of BPA and best fit come together.

OneHondo
04-09-2006, 05:36 PM
I am hoping that some surprize players fall to the #16th spot that some teams would covet. That would put us in an excellent position to trade for a later 1st rounder and pick up another pick, maybe a second rounder as well.

AtticusFinz
04-09-2006, 05:41 PM
Manny Lawson@16!!!!

RWhitney014
04-09-2006, 05:59 PM
Waaay too high for Manny Lawson. If you want him, you trade down. Most mocks I've seen have him in the 28-35 range.

Fresh
04-09-2006, 06:09 PM
To me, at #16...regardless of how you put it, it's gonna come down to 3 options:

-Santonio Holmes
-Jimmy Williams
-Trade Down

t2thejz
04-09-2006, 06:12 PM
I like Donte Whitner a lot and I dont believe he is a reach at 16.

FRESHNESS
04-09-2006, 07:49 PM
To me, there is only 2 positions that I am comfortable with in reguards to depth. DEnds and RBs. Anything else would be welcomed. If we did pick up Harrington (which we won't) do you think that we'd pass on Cutler if he falls and the front Office sees him as the BPA? Same thing with Arrington. Would we pass up on Greenway or Simms (who alot of you don't like his fit here, but I love the dude) if the F.O. felt like they were the best players avail? Let's face it. Safety IS our #1 concern right now. There is 0% chance of Huff reaching us. The rest of the pack would be stretches at 16. I'm in favor of trading down, but not that many teams are desperate enough to 'take the bait' anymore. Especially after the top 10-12 picks. That's why Miami's Front Office will lean more to the BPA moreso than most would anticipate.

VanDolPhan
04-09-2006, 08:04 PM
Waaay too high for Manny Lawson. If you want him, you trade down. Most mocks I've seen have him in the 28-35 range.

And that's why they call them 'mocks'. Mocks are nothing but guesses and those are built on 'team' needs. No mock ever goes for BPA and most mocks beyond 2 weeks before the draft usually miss on half the players. Mocks don't have access to medical reports, can't cut through the bull that teams throw out there either and they don't have scouting departments or coaches who may see things in players others don't.

Dolphins54
04-09-2006, 08:08 PM
Freshness~

I think your response was well thought out. When people say that Huff will be there at 16 they are being unreasonable. I do believe that Manny Lawson is a stretch, as do I believe the same for Whitner. I really wouldnt mind a Greenway, Holmes, Justice pick at 16.

AtticusFinz
04-09-2006, 08:14 PM
Waaay too high for Manny Lawson. If you want him, you trade down. Most mocks I've seen have him in the 28-35 range.


Your nutz! Manny will be the 2nd LB taken in the draft....
speaking of mock draft sites check the link they have him as the 12 best player in the draft!\
:eek:
the guy didnt get that much attention because he played oppsite MarioWilliams..
http://nfldraftblitz.com/

InSabanWeTrust1
04-09-2006, 08:16 PM
honestly if we draft a playmaker ill be happy. not really a fan of an olineman first round unless its dbrick, but any safety or wr who will make plays for that side of the ball. i want a playmaker in the passing game whether its us receiving or intercepting. its a good point to be made. our rush defense is top 5 and our running offense is great too. its the passing department on both sides of the ball that needs a few adjustments.

DeDolfan
04-09-2006, 08:38 PM
How would that work? Say we sign both Arrington and Harrington before the draft..

So what if the BPA at 16 is a QB or LB.. Would we really take them? That would be ALOT of money in those positions.. Would it really be feasible?

Skape, i gotta go with Boomer's pick, Manny lawson at 16. That is IF we don't sign Arrington. iMO, the only way we ake a QB at 16, even if we sign Harrigton, is if a Cutler drops to us, for some "odd" reason. Now, if we sign arrington and a Cutler doesn't drop, then I think we're going either Holmes or jackson. At this point, I just don't see us taking a DB simply because of all the FA action we've had, albeit neither big name tho. Right now, WR is a bit thinner, iMO.

DeDolfan
04-09-2006, 08:42 PM
i'm pretty sure we'd draft reggie bush. and i don't see a problem with drafting a linebacker even after signing arrington. depth is very important on defense, especially in the front 7.

If you're going for depth, you don't do it in the 1st round tho.

Phins28
04-09-2006, 09:41 PM
Your nutz! Manny will be the 2nd LB taken in the draft....
speaking of mock draft sites check the link they have him as the 12 best player in the draft!\
:eek:
the guy didnt get that much attention because he played oppsite MarioWilliams..
http://nfldraftblitz.com/

Manny Lawson is a second round pick

RWhitney014
04-09-2006, 10:45 PM
Your nutz! Manny will be the 2nd LB taken in the draft....
speaking of mock draft sites check the link they have him as the 12 best player in the draft!\
:eek:
the guy didnt get that much attention because he played oppsite MarioWilliams..
http://nfldraftblitz.com/

I might be confusing him for someone else, but I could have sworn some mock had him going at 33 or 34 or something. Still, is DE a position we need to be looking at? Taylor, Holliday, Carter, Roth can all play there. I think there are more pressing needs at positions where talent is available in this draft.

EDIT: Actually, Todd McShay has him going at 40 to the Lions. Take what you want from that.

I think it's irrelevant that he might be the second LB taken in the draft (and I disagree as well, because Hawk, Greenway, Sims, Kamerion Wimbley, Demeco Ryans, and Bobby Carpenter all project to be higher picks). What if we're talking kickers here? You gonna use the argument that he's a value pick in a certain round because he's the second one off the board? Obviously, LB and K are quite different positions.

Then again, McShay's draft has us picking Penn State CB Alan Zemaitis at 51. I'd be impressed if we did, considering we have no 2nd rounder.

Mr Dolfan
04-09-2006, 10:58 PM
I think we are going to take a Wide Receiver first (Santonio or Chad)...if we don't sign Arrington we might go after an LB but I doubt it....I think we go WR first then a D-back, then an O-lineman.

I've said this before but given how the off-season has been so far, we don't really have a true NEED therefore I would like to see a WR taken by us in the first round. CB's and Safetys have a deep class this year, and there will be someone worth grabbing in the 2nd. The same cannot be said for the WR class. The skill drops off rather quickly.

dolfn66
04-09-2006, 11:09 PM
It appears to me that Saban is leaning towards a WR in round 1. I believe that he will draft a DB if the receiver he wants is not available. As for the "best player available" regardless of position, maybe he's hoping for a Lawson or a Young or Cutler to fall to 16. I don't think any of those guys will be available unless the teams ahead of Miami fall asleep at the wheel.

Speaking as a Gator fan I hope Chad Jackson is the receiver of choice. If he decides to go DB, then I'm hoping for Antonio from FSU, it would be great to see Huff in a Dolphin jersey but that doesn't look realistic at this point.

AtticusFinz
04-10-2006, 01:25 AM
I might be confusing him for someone else, but I could have sworn some mock had him going at 33 or 34 or something. Still, is DE a position we need to be looking at? Taylor, Holliday, Carter, Roth can all play there. I think there are more pressing needs at positions where talent is available in this draft.

EDIT: Actually, Todd McShay has him going at 40 to the Lions. Take what you want from that.

I think it's irrelevant that he might be the second LB taken in the draft (and I disagree as well, because Hawk, Greenway, Sims, Kamerion Wimbley, Demeco Ryans, and Bobby Carpenter all project to be higher picks). What if we're talking kickers here? You gonna use the argument that he's a value pick in a certain round because he's the second one off the board? Obviously, LB and K are quite different positions.

Then again, McShay's draft has us picking Penn State CB Alan Zemaitis at 51. I'd be impressed if we did, considering we have no 2nd rounder.


Lawson is a 3-4 defensive player he plays OLB and DE