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WestCoast13
04-10-2006, 09:39 PM
Draft threads belong in the draft forum.

Will three 7th's make an impact? These players will probably end up on the practice squad, Nfl Europe, or be cheap depth on our roster. Can anybody name some players that are starters/stars that were drafted in the late rounds or undrafted. I know Rod Smith of the Broncos wen't undrafted but he is the only example i can think of.

rothshunger
04-10-2006, 09:43 PM
uh tom brady 6th

TotoreMexico
04-10-2006, 09:44 PM
Ogunleye was undrafted

Kefer
04-10-2006, 09:46 PM
I think Jerry Rice was an 11th round pick

redclamcrowder
04-10-2006, 09:46 PM
Will three 7th's make an impact? These players will probably end up on the practice squad, Nfl Europe, or be cheap depth on our roster. Can anybody name some players that are starters/stars that were drafted in the late rounds or undrafted. I know Rod Smith of the Broncos wen't undrafted but he is the only example i can think of.

your assessment of 7th rounders is pretty acurate, but I will say this: in that round, you have a good chance of picking players that come with a lot of talent and potential, yet have too much off the field issues or other baggage to select earlier... I guess that is what dropped Vickerson to the seventh for us last year, and all indications are if he gets his act together, he has monster potential...

NCDolphan
04-10-2006, 09:46 PM
NFL.com/drafthistory

nighttrain76
04-10-2006, 09:47 PM
Coaches like Saban & Belichick can find players in late rounds that can start their rookie season or at least make a contribution.

NY Finatic
04-10-2006, 09:48 PM
I think Jerry Rice was an 11th round pick

Jerry was the 16th pick in the 1985 draft. 16th overall.

Nublar7
04-10-2006, 09:48 PM
Will three 7th's make an impact? These players will probably end up on the practice squad, Nfl Europe, or be cheap depth on our roster. Can anybody name some players that are starters/stars that were drafted in the late rounds or undrafted. I know Rod Smith of the Broncos wen't undrafted but he is the only example i can think of.
TJ Houshmandzadeh was a 7th round pick by the Bengals in 2001.

nick1
04-10-2006, 09:52 PM
tons of good players fall to the 7th, you just have to pick wisely because most of them are not going to be as good as the players selected earlier but there are some gems later on in the draft

Kefer
04-10-2006, 09:52 PM
Jerry was the 16th pick in the 1985 draft. 16th overall.


Your right my bad

UCFinfan86
04-10-2006, 09:57 PM
Tim Rattay, Mike Green, Renaldo Hill, Rick DeMulling, Marlon McCree, Kevin Shaffer, David Givens, Rock Cartwright, Kyle Kosier, David Terrell, Nate Wayne, Pat Tillman. They are the only decent ones over the past 10 yeras. No real probowlers but a bunch of decent players

tylerdolphin
04-10-2006, 10:06 PM
Chances are, out of our three 7ths, two will be out of the NFL by their 3rd year. One may be a solid back-up/contributer. Dont expect anything from them though, because theres a good chance none of them will amount to anything

vadolfan
04-10-2006, 10:09 PM
Derrick Pope and Kevin Vickerson are both 7th rounders that will be solid contributors to this team. Pope already has played well for us.

We could use a couple of them to move up, but you can certainly find good players with 7th round picks.

Silverphin
04-10-2006, 10:24 PM
Derrick Pope and Kevin Vickerson are both 7th rounders that will be solid contributors to this team. Pope already has played well for us.

We could use a couple of them to move up, but you can certainly find good players with 7th round picks.

Derrick Pope Especially. He could be one hell of a starter in the future.

Hitman13
04-10-2006, 10:26 PM
seriously crazy idea.. but how far do you guys think marcus vick will drop?? i doubt 7... anyways crazy idea but yea i am agreeing that probably 2 wont be starters or backups... but i think saban will find one that will really help this team... in one of our few problem areas... lol i know we have to wait and see if any other problems pop up. GO FINZZZ:dolphins: :dolphins: :dolphins:

Jimmy James
04-10-2006, 10:28 PM
I think Houck has likely been tasked with finding a couple of reserves with potential he can get with two of those picks.

MDFINFAN
04-10-2006, 10:30 PM
Coaches like Saban & Belichick can find players in late rounds that can start their rookie season or at least make a contribution.

Name one of Saban's last year draftee who made this kind of impact.

Silverphin
04-10-2006, 10:30 PM
Derrick Pope and Kevin Vickerson are both 7th rounders that will be solid contributors to this team. Pope already has played well for us.

We could use a couple of them to move up, but you can certainly find good players with 7th round picks.

Derrick Pope Especially. He could be one hell of a starter in the future. He shut down Sean Alexander in 2004 when he subbed for Zach Thomas in the second half (Not a lot of rookies, let alone any that were selected in the seventh round, can say that.)

Fast forward to 2005: We see a glimpse of the future starting LB Corps during the Bills game: Pope, Crowder, and Spragan (though who knows what Spragan future is...). He was having quite a day. Of course, that was over-shadowed by the disappointing play of our secondary.

Pope is pretty much proof you can find a great player anywhere.

wazzy
04-10-2006, 10:31 PM
Keenan McCardel was in like the 11th round or something like that also!

Silverphin
04-10-2006, 10:35 PM
Name one of Saban's last year draftee who made this kind of impact.

Draftee, or seventh round draftee?

Because if you mean any draftee?

Ronnie Brown

Matt Roth (to a point....)

Channing Crowder

Travis Daniels

Manuel Wright

Now as for Kevin Vickerson (since I believe you meant seventh round pick), the man got injured off of a cheap block during the pre-season. Nick Saban has praised him after the "brook trout" fiasco. So I believe he would of at least contributed. Hell, he probably would of been in there with Manuel Wright giving hell to the Bills/Chargers O-line. But that's my humble opinion.

SuperBowlin07
04-10-2006, 10:36 PM
We will be lucky to get one contributor, but likely we will get career reserves

Silverphin
04-10-2006, 10:38 PM
We will be lucky to get one contributor, but likely we will get career reserves

Career reserves are very important. Our best back up in phins history, Earl Morral, proved that.

vadolfan
04-10-2006, 10:39 PM
In addition to Vickerson, Shirdonya Mitchell (undrafted rookie FA) is expected to contribute. And he could very well have a great impact on KR's and as a CB. Saban loved this guy before his injury. Blazing fast with good cover skills.

Believe me, guys like Larry Allen, Leon Lett, Tom Brady, and on and on and on...are found late in drafts. It was even harder back when there were 12 rounds in the draft...but it was possible.

I think DT's, OL and possibly a hidden gem QB can be had that late in this years draft.

Pauly
04-10-2006, 10:40 PM
The difference in physical ability between a 7th round pick and a 1st round pick isn't that great. The difference generally tends to lie in motivation and work ethic issues as well as the old unquantifiable football intelligence.

A good coach who can light a fire underneath a young player with ability has a better chance of turning a 7th rounder into a contributor than coach who doesn't have the same motivational skills. Also, sometomes a player is not utilised to their full effect by their college coaching staff and a change of coaching can help a player go from so-so to pretty damn good.

As people have said by the 7th round all the sure fire can't miss prospects are gone and you're deep into gambling territory.

Silverphin
04-10-2006, 10:43 PM
The difference in physical ability between a 7th round pick and a 1st round pick isn't that great. The difference generally tends to lie in motivation and work ethic issues as well as the old unquantifiable football intelligence.

A good coach who can light a fire underneath a young player with ability has a better chance of turning a 7th rounder into a contributor than coach who doesn't have the same motivational skills. Also, sometomes a player is not utilised to their full effect by their college coaching staff and a change of coaching can help a player go from so-so to pretty damn good.

As people have said by the 7th round all the sure fire can't miss prospects are gone and you're deep into gambling territory.

What a way to look at. :yes:

JoeRobStad4ever
04-10-2006, 10:47 PM
I believe Mark Clayton was like an 8th Round pick or something real low like that in 1983.

12MaN
04-10-2006, 10:51 PM
"I agree" great talent has come out of the later rounds. The Fins are filled with them. Sammy Morris was a fith round pick by buffalo, ironacly enough even one of our newest accusitions was a 7th round pick(Reynaldo Hill). Yeramiah Bell was a 6th round pick, Derrick Pope a 7th round pick, all solid players making positive contributions to the best team in football. Man there's solid picks out there. Those players mentality is "do or die my only shot" because in the backs of their minds they know they may not get another one. TheRealMotherFuqquin12Man

VanDolPhan
04-10-2006, 10:59 PM
As to other solid Dolphin picks. 1999 DT Jermaine Haley who was a solid 3rd DT rotating in for Bowens/Gardener.

It's a crap shoot but at times you get lucky. Houck turned a 7th round draft pick into a starting RT for San Diego in Shane Olivea.

I figure if they don't draft a linemen with picks 1, 3, 4 that he may well get 2 of the 7th rounders.

MiamiMan147
04-10-2006, 11:49 PM
Depends on whether its a 7th rounder in the hands of Dave Wannstadt or a 7th rounder in the hands of Nick Saban. Wanny would probably draft a guy who couldn't be a waterboy in the Candian league. Nick will probably find 2 solid backups and a potential starter with those 3 picks.

SouthJerseyFin
04-11-2006, 12:12 AM
did anyone mention rex hadnot.. wasnt he a 7th rounder?

SouthJerseyFin
04-11-2006, 12:13 AM
6th my bad

UCFinfan86
04-11-2006, 06:27 AM
Dont forget Oronde Gadsden was an Undrafted FA!

SF Dolphin Fan
04-11-2006, 07:19 PM
Mark Clayton was an 8th rounder for Miami way back. But you are right. It is pretty rare for players taken late to make an impact.