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zodiak
04-13-2006, 01:41 AM
Dolfans

Anyone here agree that Lawson seems like he could become the next "freak"
he played DE in college and right now projects to LB just as Kearse did.

I go back and forth with wanting Lawson, I kinda feel like if we can sign Arrington then I'd like to see Jimmy Williams get drafted by Miami.

FinNasty
04-13-2006, 04:08 AM
Lawson will be an animal. He is a "freak" and is unbelieveably athletic for his size...

I would be thrilled to draft him and I think he would be a demon in our defense. As many have said, Lawson compares alot to Jason Taylor, and he has even said his idol that he really looks up to is Jason Taylor. He would be a great fit... and has amazing upside. I'm all for it...

I am also a BIG Jimmy Williams fan...

poornate
04-13-2006, 09:23 AM
He is so thin....he scares me if we select him.

Spray Mucus
04-13-2006, 09:33 AM
Although I do like Lawson, I think a bguy like Wimbley would be a better fit.

popularwar
04-13-2006, 11:52 PM
I like him more everyday.

Dolfan4life34
04-14-2006, 12:02 AM
lawson is 250 with the size to put on weight and he runs a 4.1 40 he is a great pick if we dont sign arrington if we do i really like williams playing safety for us

phinfan_1
04-14-2006, 12:13 AM
He is so thin....he scares me if we select him.
It scares me to if we pick him at 16. Not worried bout his weight.
I think right now if we picked him up with the 16th pick all were getting is a situational pass rusher and I can't see us using our first pick on that.
He may mature into something better but right now using the 16th on him seems risky. Though he could turn out to be an amazing player.

FinNasty
04-14-2006, 02:28 AM
He is so thin....he scares me if we select him.

Thin? 250 isnt thin for an OLB...

Coral Reefer
04-14-2006, 02:40 AM
Thin? 250 isnt thin for an OLB...

:confused2

Maybe the guy thought he was posting in a draft Brodie Croyle thread.

HysterikiLL
04-14-2006, 03:40 AM
:confused2

Maybe the guy thought he was posting in a draft Brodie Croyle thread.

:lol: .

Alex44
04-14-2006, 03:54 AM
Here is my ideal scenarios

If we sign Arrington the draft Santonio Holmes, he will be an amazing slot reciever for a few years then step in and replace Booker

If we dont sign Arrington, then go for Lawson, the more I hear about him the more I really like him

FinNasty
04-14-2006, 10:47 AM
I am just in love with Lawson's upside... I want either him or Greenway. Greenway is more polished... and is already comfortable playing OLB... but Lawson has more upside... and I am starting to favor Lawson more...

I would be thrilled with either though...

Silverphin
04-14-2006, 10:53 AM
It scares me to if we pick him at 16. Not worried bout his weight.
I think right now if we picked him up with the 16th pick all were getting is a situational pass rusher and I can't see us using our first pick on that.
He may mature into something better but right now using the 16th on him seems risky. Though he could turn out to be an amazing player.

Not really. If we draft him, we have a starting OLB and/or future J.Y. imo.

phinfan_1
04-14-2006, 11:32 AM
Not really. If we draft him, we have a starting OLB and/or future J.Y. imo.
The point of my last post Silverphin was I'm not so sure he will be a starting OLB...because I'm not convinced he can play standup.
And right now there's no way he could takes Jasons place because he plays with to narrow a base. And he would get blown out of the play in the NFL. Jason has always played with a wide base and was good against the run since he's been here. Thats why I say I think he'd just be a situational pass rusher. And to pick him w/the 16th pick seems risky. But he could develop into a fulltime player.
But the guy has awesome upside and he's fun to watch.

RUDEbyallMEANS
04-19-2006, 02:38 AM
lawson is 250 with the size to put on weight and he runs a 4.1 40 he is a great pick if we dont sign arrington if we do i really like williams playing safety for us

Exaggeration on both ends. Manny Lawsons playing wieght is 240 if he is lucky, more like lower 230's.

Manny runs a 4.4 40. Not a 4.1 40.

Your exaggeration is not needed to prove his athleticism.

dlockz
04-19-2006, 02:47 AM
Exaggeration on both ends. Manny Lawsons playing wieght is 240 if he is lucky, more like lower 230's.

Manny runs a 4.4 40. Not a 4.1 40.

Your exaggeration is not needed to prove his athleticism.


Yea a 4.1 would make him the fastest guy in the nfl.

Jaj
04-19-2006, 04:53 AM
Ummm you guys do realize that Lawson can't learn how to play LB again at SLB and also become the WLB that Taylor drops back into in a 3-4 right?

nick1
04-19-2006, 10:37 AM
Manny Lawson is at 241 pounds right now and he is still going to gain some weight so that wasn't an exaggeration. as for his speed he ran a 4.43 so a 4.1 is an exaggeration

Ghetti13
04-19-2006, 12:05 PM
Manny Lawson is overrated and should not be drafted in the first round.

nick1
04-19-2006, 12:54 PM
Manny Lawson is overrated and should not be drafted in the first round.
would you mind explaining you reasoning?

Dolfan11
04-19-2006, 01:05 PM
I am just in love with Lawson's upside... I want either him or Greenway. Greenway is more polished... and is already comfortable playing OLB... but Lawson has more upside... and I am starting to favor Lawson more...

I would be thrilled with either though...

I'm not a big fan of Greenway, but I would take him if he's there. I would look at LB/DE in this order: Sims, Lawson, Greenway, Carpenter

PhinsPhan
04-19-2006, 01:08 PM
Lawson is an animal. He also looks like he could pack on an extra 10-15 pounds no problem.

I haven't seen him in a game so I can't speak for certain but on the highlight reels and prospect footage he looks crazy. I posted this in another thread but I had was checking out a highlight package on Mario Williams and I originally thought #91 (Lawson) was Williams because he was the one causing the most damage.

finner
04-19-2006, 01:17 PM
IMO Lawson is more of a combine player than a proven "Monster" in college, let alone the pros. No doubt he has immense potential, and could (???) become a "Monster" NFL OLB. Or, he could be a real disappointment.

If the draft was just purely on college production, there's no way Lawson is a 1st rounder. Maybe a 3rd rounder?

History has proven that college production projects better into the pros than raw athletic potential, so I'd have to consider Lawson a high-risk 1st round pick.

Ghetti13
04-19-2006, 01:41 PM
Absolutely. I have no problem giving my reasons.

I studied the two games I have of N.C. State this season and this is what I saw:

Lawson does not play with a consistent high level of urgency. This lack of urgency limits how much impact his physical skills can have on the game. For instance, there were numerous situations where he could have used his speed to track down a ball carrier well within his range, however, he would allow a teamate to make the tackle, allowing the runner to get an extra five or ten yards.

Also, Lawson is faster than his is quick. This is an issue when you are talking about a player who is slotted to make the switch to outside linebacker. I believe he will struggle when in space and asked to sift through trash.

Also, Lawson is kinda a one trick pony. He is not a great natural pass rusher, showing very little polish. He has not shown me the ability to do much more than speed rush.

Also, Lawson benefited greatly from playing opposite Mario Williams.

Lastly, the comparisons to Jason Taylor are warranted. They have similar size and similar athletic ability. However, people need to realize that Jason Taylor was taken outside of the first round for a reason. He needed alot of work to become the player he is today. He has gained roughly twenty pounds and worked diligently to develope a spectacular group of pass rush moves.

I am not willing to spend a first round pick on a player who may be able to develope into a Jason Taylor somewhere down the road. Too many if's for me.

For those reasons I believe Lawson actually represents 2nd round value.

Guys that I feel represent great value at 16 are Chad Greenway and Donte Whitner. They jump out at you on tape as explosive playmaking football players. I don't see that out of Lawson.

nick1
04-19-2006, 03:55 PM
Absolutely. I have no problem giving my reasons.

I studied the two games I have of N.C. State this season and this is what I saw:

Lawson does not play with a consistent high level of urgency. This lack of urgency limits how much impact his physical skills can have on the game. For instance, there were numerous situations where he could have used his speed to track down a ball carrier well within his range, however, he would allow a teamate to make the tackle, allowing the runner to get an extra five or ten yards.

Also, Lawson is faster than his is quick. This is an issue when you are talking about a player who is slotted to make the switch to outside linebacker. I believe he will struggle when in space and asked to sift through trash.

Also, Lawson is kinda a one trick pony. He is not a great natural pass rusher, showing very little polish. He has not shown me the ability to do much more than speed rush.

Also, Lawson benefited greatly from playing opposite Mario Williams.

Lastly, the comparisons to Jason Taylor are warranted. They have similar size and similar athletic ability. However, people need to realize that Jason Taylor was taken outside of the first round for a reason. He needed alot of work to become the player he is today. He has gained roughly twenty pounds and worked diligently to develope a spectacular group of pass rush moves.

I am not willing to spend a first round pick on a player who may be able to develope into a Jason Taylor somewhere down the road. Too many if's for me.

For those reasons I believe Lawson actually represents 2nd round value.

Guys that I feel represent great value at 16 are Chad Greenway and Donte Whitner. They jump out at you on tape as explosive playmaking football players. I don't see that out of Lawson.
Lawson would be learning from the best if he came here, you know that Taylor was also a one trick pony but he developed numorous moves, Lawson has the ability to put on 20 pounds like Taylor did. Lawson is more athletic than Taylor, I know that may be a bold statement but look at them both. Lawson compares much to Taylor but unlike when Taylor was a rookie, Lawson will have great coaches to learn from. Trace Armstrong pretty much taught Taylor himself. Lawson with have Capers, Saban and Taylor some of the best in the business.

Ghetti13
04-19-2006, 04:17 PM
Jason Taylor is not Trace Armstrong and Manny Lawson is not Jason Taylor. We do not know if Lawson will have the work ethic to respond like Jason and we don't know if Jason will take the time to teach like Trace.

That, plus the weaknesses I already mentioned are why I think Lawson is not worthy of a first round pick.

nick1
04-19-2006, 04:44 PM
Jason Taylor is not Trace Armstrong and Manny Lawson is not Jason Taylor. We do not know if Lawson will have the work ethic to respond like Jason and we don't know if Jason will take the time to teach like Trace.

That, plus the weaknesses I already mentioned are why I think Lawson is not worthy of a first round pick.
Lawson would flourish in a Capers and Saban scheme, they would use his great athletic ability to it's fullist. I'm not saying he doesn't have some weaknesses but every 1st rounder does, his upside is that of a 1st rounder

Ghetti13
04-19-2006, 04:49 PM
Yes, his upside is that of a 1st rounder, I agree. However, the draft is not all about upside. It is about weighing the risk against the reward. In my opinion, when I weigh the risk and the reward, I come out with him recieving a second round grade at best.

zodiak
04-19-2006, 11:01 PM
Well Lawson would be playing SOLB opposite JT so if he benifited from playing opposite M.Williams he definately will benefite from playing with Taylor.

However and here is my concern I do wonder can he make the transition to OLB? remember Jason was abit concerned about making the move last year.

Lastly how far down do you think Lawson would fall if not drafted in the first Rnd?

Dors156
04-19-2006, 11:12 PM
yea lawson would be a good pick.if we were to go defense with our first pick i see us taking him or williams