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jdang307
04-13-2006, 02:43 PM
Remember during last season when everyone kept complaining ESPN hated the Dolphins? Now ESPN is giving us much love, but I have been thinking CNNSI is hating on the phins big time. I don't chime in during the big discussions of their articles, but each one from them has been sort of negative, and downright illogical at times.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/2006/04/13/gallery.nflimpactrookies3/index.1.exclude.html?cnn=yes

How is Dan Marino not on there? When Ben Roethlisberger was in his rookie season, people kept mentioning that no other rookie QB has really had a good year except Marino. I know Marino didn't start until what, the sixth game? But how did some of these players edge out Dan? Tell me if I'm being irrational. Add to that I freaking can't stand Shockey, and he makes it into the list.

ckparrothead
04-13-2006, 02:45 PM
Fully agreed. Dan had an incredible rookie season.

TXFinFan
04-13-2006, 02:46 PM
That is ******ed. SI seems to have some sort of hard on for the Dolphins.


Edit: Sorry, didn't know I couldn't use that word.

rayfinkle5
04-13-2006, 02:48 PM
Remove the link. It is not even worth looking at!

Adam First
04-13-2006, 02:55 PM
Heres a little bit of irony:

Their top picked impact rookie, Randy Moss (:sidelol:), of course played with the Minnesota Vikings.

His rookie season, 1998, they went 15-1, guess who was on the roster then?


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Geforce
04-13-2006, 02:55 PM
That is one the biggest bs of a list as I have ever seen. Not only is Marino not on the list but the rookie that (argueably) had the best year of anyone, Gayle Sayers, wasn't listed. That alone makes the list not worth reading again.

derek
04-13-2006, 02:56 PM
SI seems to have some sort of hard on for the Dolphins.



I'm not sure that's the phrase you want to use. ;-)

Marino not being there is ridiculous. Ben was very good, but he merely managed games. Dan took them over.

jdang307
04-13-2006, 02:59 PM
I'm not sure that's the phrase you want to use. ;-)

Marino not being there is ridiculous. Ben was very good, but he merely managed games. Dan took them over.

Whether that's the phrase he wanted to use or not, they sure seem bent on sticking it to the phins lol.

Gardenhead
04-13-2006, 03:04 PM
CNNSI does not hate the Dolphins. They are merely incompetent.

NatCyn
04-13-2006, 03:06 PM
Is there a place that you can write them and tell them what a gigantic "oversight" that was, or just to say they're a bunch of braindead cretins?

NatCyn
04-13-2006, 03:11 PM
I've always felt that Sports Illustrated has been fairly anti-Dolphins. Not overtly, they just kind of subtly pick at them. I think it may go back to that now infamous SI cover with Csonka and Kiick where somehow, someone missed that Larry Csonka was flipping the bird.

I've also always sort of felt that John Madden is kind of anti-Dolphins, which would make a good deal of sense given his history. I just remember at the end of the 90's and at the beginning of this decade Miami would go 10-6, make the playoffs and the following year be a 77 overall. Then a couple years ago we were a 90-something and we went 4-12 and I have a feeling we're not getting any love again.

SCall13
04-13-2006, 03:12 PM
WOW. What a joke that Marino isn't on there. He had the best rookie season of any QB, the toughest position in sports, in history. PERIOD. I think he should be #1 on the list. And that isn't homerism talking.

Adam First
04-13-2006, 03:15 PM
WOW. What a joke that Marino isn't on there. He had the best rookie season of any QB, the toughest position in sports, in history. PERIOD. I think he should be #1 on the list. And that isn't homerism talking.

Actually, Roethlisberger was better.

Marino had more TDs, but Roffleburgers had a higher completion percentage and more yards than Marino did.

Dolfan4life!
04-13-2006, 03:15 PM
Dan started the Pro Bowl game as a rookie, no QB has ever done that before or after....that's not top ten worthy?

Phinnatic
04-13-2006, 03:30 PM
http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/nflrookies.html



ESPN had him as 8th of all time, with some good info.

Marino didn't make his first pro start until Game 6, but what a debut it was: he completed 19 of 29 passes for 322 yards and 3 TDs in a thrilling 38-35 OT loss to Buffalo. The starting job was his for good, and he led the Fins to seven wins in the next eight games, sealing a playoff berth. He ended the season with 173 completions in 296 attempts, throwing 20 TD passes while having only six picked off.
Marino still holds the records for highest passer rating for a rookie (96.0) and highest completion percentage for a rookie (58.45). Marino started only nine games, but became the only rookie to lead a conference in passing and the first rookie QB to start in the Pro Bowl.

jdang307
04-13-2006, 03:40 PM
Ben's completion percentage was 66.4% according to yahoo sports.

Ronski_doodle
04-13-2006, 03:43 PM
Zach desevre the credit over Urlacher.
Zach rookie #'s
1996: Started all 16 games at middle linebacker as a rookie ... Finished as team’s leading tackler with 180 tackles (131 solo), while adding two sacks, three interceptions, two fumble recoveries, two forced fumbles and five passes defensed ... Also recorded two special teams tackles and had one kickoff return for 17 yards ... His three interceptions tied with eight others for second-most by a Dolphins linebacker in club history, surpassed only by John Bramlett, who had four interceptions in 1967 ... It marked the most interceptions by a Dolphins linebacker since Earnie Rhone had three in 1981, and also is the most ever by a Dolphins rookie linebacker ... Made NFL debut in start at middle linebacker against New England (9/1) and led the team with 13 tackles, including one sack.

SCall13
04-13-2006, 03:49 PM
Actually, Roethlisberger was better.

Marino had more TDs, but Roffleburgers had a higher completion percentage and more yards than Marino did.


Rothlisberger wasn't BETTER. Yeah, he had a higher comp. %, but he threw ALOT safer, higher percentage passes. Marino was a gunslinger and went further down field alot more frequently, which is obviously lower percentage passes. Marino was a constant threat to make a big play. Rothlisberger played it safe and close to the vest.

nick1
04-13-2006, 03:51 PM
thats messed up, Marino had a bigger impact than Big Ben did, Marino put up really amazing numbers and also lead the team to a winning record. all Big Ben did was not make big mistakes

Tureo
04-13-2006, 03:53 PM
My top impact rookie would have to be Eddie Moore. Wait I am still waiting for him to impact something besides our salary cap and gatorade reserves.

ch19079
04-13-2006, 03:55 PM
for some reason i keep forgetting moss had 17 TDs his rookie year. thats just crazy.

popularwar
04-13-2006, 04:00 PM
Ben Roethlisberger was on a team that would have gone to the playoffs with Ryan Leaf under center. That Steelers defense and run game made them go 15-1, I'm not saying Roethlisberger did nothing because he did shine but he didn't carry the team on his back like Marino did.
I think this list is very poor, among my chief complaints is that most of these players have played in the last ten years. Recent history isn't more important than history.

tylerdolphin
04-13-2006, 04:05 PM
I think the #1 is a toss up between Moss and Marino. But theres absoloutly NO excuse for Marino not being in the top 5 of that list.

FinsAreLife
04-13-2006, 04:11 PM
marino had argueably the best rookie season for a qb ever(possibly behind big ben, not my words but manys)

K-Rob
04-13-2006, 04:32 PM
for some reason i keep forgetting moss had 17 TDs his rookie year. thats just crazy.

Isn't it? That dude is crazy good.


Actually, Roethlisberger was better.

Marino had more TDs, but Roffleburgers had a higher completion percentage and more yards than Marino did.

The article is about what rookie had the most impact. Not better stats.