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malzacher
04-13-2006, 02:49 PM
Who would you rather have Chad Jackson or Sanantonio Holmes?

greatwade
04-13-2006, 02:51 PM
Jonathan Orr or Brandon Williams and a top notch DB round 1, for me

/sorry if that avoids the question/problem

ckparrothead
04-13-2006, 02:56 PM
Good debate. Santonio would probably be my choice, because he's a little more polished at the moment and is a very good blocker in the ground game. If you've got the speed and hands, and route polish, you'll be a good WR in the NFL eventually. Not always do you find a guy that is so willing to be a good run blocker though.

csabe
04-13-2006, 02:59 PM
I'm not sure I would go WR in the 1st but if forced to choose, I would go for the better player now in S. Holmes. Chad Jackson is a raw talent who will take a couple of years to develop IMO. Holmes is ready to contribute more right away and still has decent upside.

dan the fin
04-13-2006, 03:01 PM
S. Holmes, he is the more electric homerunthreat. This is what Mia needs and he much more NFL ready then Jackson and less of a gamble. I just believe that Holmes is on of those type guys that wil turn 5-10 yard slants ino 60 yard TD's. While Jackson has good speed he is not in the same class as far as holmes is at run after the catch. Holmes would be the perfect slot guy on 3 WR sets. Plus he is such a good route runner I think he could be an imidate impact WR. I like oth and I think Jackson will be good also but he will take more time to develope.
I see Holmes as a 60-80 catches with a higher YPC in his prime
Jackson as a 70-90 catches but with a lower YPC in his prime

malzacher
04-13-2006, 03:01 PM
im just hearing so much about these two wr's. I didn't really pay any attention to them this year. Kept my eye on the Canes. I would love to have a sweet young reciever for daunte to blow up, and eventually be a top wr in the league. I would love it if Mia can get 2 nice recievers like harrison/wayne or c.johnson/housmenzadeh. chambers/jackson or chambers/ holmes ,u know what i mean?

dan the fin
04-13-2006, 03:04 PM
PROJECTION:

Philadelphia Eagles
Round 1, Pick 14
Bob Leverone/TSN
Overall grade: 8.0
Position rank: 1
225lb bench: 19
NFL comparison:
Rod Smith, Broncos


CHAD JACKSON MEASURABLES
Height: 6-0 Weight: 213
40-yard dash: 4.32 10-yard dash: 1.55
20-yard shuttle: 3.97 60-yard shuttle: 11.19
Broad jump: 10-2 225-lb. bench:
3-cone drill: 6.73 Vertical jump: 38
Wonderlic: 20-yard dash: 2.52

KEY » * Recently updated Position grade increased Position grade decreased
Chad Jackson
WR, Florida

War Room analysis
Hands: Shows strong hands and excellent concentration to look the ball into his hands. Is willing to go over the middle and make tough catches in traffic. Grade: 8.1.

Patterns: Didn't run many deep routes at Florida, but has the speed to get behind NFL cornerbacks. Runs precise routes, and shows a good burst in and out of cuts. Drops weight and settles feet well on hitch and comeback routes. Grade: 8.0.

Run after catch: Turns short passes into big gains. Shows a good burst after the catch, and is a strong runner. Is at his best on underneath routes -- using his size, strength and quickness to get open and then turning on his speed to get upfield. Grade: 8.2.

Release: Shows above-average quickness and a powerful burst off the line. Has the size and strength to beat jams. Grade: 7.9.

Blocking: Has the physical tools to be an effective downfield blocker, but must improve technique and become more aggressive. Grade: 7.8.

Bottom line: Jackson has good size and deceptive speed. He is a polished receiver who has a lot of experience against elite competition. He is a borderline first-round prospect. If he runs in the 4.40-second range in pre-draft workouts, as he claims he will, he will shoot up draft boards much like the Packers' Javon Walker did in '02.

Dan Pompei analysis
Shows outstanding measurable skills. Has size and speed to go with good hands and toughness. Is outstanding when going over the middle. Caught a lot of balls at Florida, but didn't make many big plays. Doesn't get a lot of yardage after the catch. Didn't show explosiveness, separation or precise route running. Could be more aggressive going after passes. Has considerable potential. Leaving school after junior season.
No. 3 on Pompei's WR rankings

dan the fin
04-13-2006, 03:05 PM
PROJECTION:

San Diego Chargers
Round 1, Pick 19
Jay Drowns/TSN
Overall grade: 8.1
Position rank: 2
225lb bench: 18
NFL comparison:
Lee Evans, Bills


SANTONIO HOLMES MEASURABLES
Height: 5-10 Weight: 179
40-yard dash: 4.34 10-yard dash:
20-yard shuttle: 4.26 60-yard shuttle:
Broad jump: 10-6 225-lb. bench:
3-cone drill: 6.83 Vertical jump: 38
Wonderlic: 20-yard dash:

KEY » * Recently updated Position grade increased Position grade decreased
Santonio Holmes
WR, Ohio State

War Room analysis
Hands: Has good, soft hands. Must improve on catching intermediate passes. Catches passes at full speed and over his head. Makes tough catches in traffic. Lets too many balls get to his body. Grade: 8.0.

Patterns: Is an accomplished route-runner. Closes the cushion quickly, separates well. Shows terrific footwork and lower-body strength to make crisp cuts. Stops and starts quickly. Shows a great burst. Grade: 8.3.

Run after catch: Is explosive. Gets upfield immediately after the catch. Is a threat to score on every touch. Always seems to make first defender miss. Shows a second gear in the open field. Shows good vision to use blockers well. Grade: 8.3.

Release: Has a small frame. Is adept at sidestepping jams but must learn to use hands better to shed defenders. Shows great initial quickness. Won't be able to outrun NFL cornerbacks to the outside. Must become more patient. Grade: 7.9.

Blocking: Is competitive and willing to work but is limited by his size. Is stronger than he appears but has a short reach. Must use cut blocks to be effective. Must take better angles to defenders. Won't be effective cracking back against linebackers. Grade: 7.8.

Bottom line: Holmes is a constant home run threat. Although he didn't put up huge numbers in Ohio State's conservative offense, Holmes has the potential to be an NFL star. His size is sufficient, his speed is explosive and his ability is off the charts. He will need time to develop but immediately will contribute in the return game and as a No. 2 or slot receiver. He should be the first wide receiver selected.

Dan Pompei analysis
Smooth runner with hands to make catches away from his body. Knows how to get past a cornerback on a fly route, and can catch the deep ball. Has a feel for finding space in zones. Has OK size, but has the quickness of a smaller man. Has separation ability. Isn't a real physical blocker. Doesn't have elite speed, but is fast enough. Is a hard worker who picks up things quickly. Has shown consistent improvement and should continue to improve.
No. 2 on Pompei's WR rankings

nando03
04-13-2006, 03:13 PM
It's a tough call especially after last year when you see WR's like Steve Smith and Santana Moss go at it and blow up. Those are small faster guys who can jump and catch a ball if needed. However there is something to say about size. Chad Jackson has TO type measurables. It's hard to not keep that in mind as well.

CubanCulebra
04-13-2006, 03:18 PM
Who would you rather have Chad Jackson or Sanantonio Holmes?
6'3. Chad Jackson. Any questions?

malzacher
04-13-2006, 03:26 PM
well, we do have a guy 5'10 in Chambers, and i love chambers but maybe we get a bigger reciever in jackson, a big, fast/explosive guy for daunte to throw to.

bgnck13
04-13-2006, 03:39 PM
if we can sign Arrington go for Chad Jackson or Sinorice Moss or Best Availible player

Jaj
04-13-2006, 03:44 PM
well, we do have a guy 5'10 in Chambers, and i love chambers but maybe we get a bigger reciever in jackson, a big, fast/explosive guy for daunte to throw to.

Chambers isn't 5-10. He's just shy of 6-0 and has a vertical of 45 inches; believe it or not it could be even higher than that. It's not like size dominates always in a receiving core. Speed picks apart zone coverage.

TXFinFan
04-13-2006, 03:49 PM
We have Randy McMike for our big receiver. We could use a burner. Holmes and Jackson are both very fast. I'd be happy with either.

SocerChicFinfan
04-13-2006, 04:08 PM
Jackson by a mile

Mr.305
04-13-2006, 05:58 PM
IMO Chad Jackson will b a bust. Think about it, he wasnt even the best WR at Florida. #5 Caldwell was their best reciver and I do believe the #1..Jackson was the #2 reciver......BUST....i would take Holmes in a heart beat

DearbornDolfan
04-13-2006, 06:40 PM
We need a big possession reciever that can line up in the slot. We have a burner in Chambers and a short-yardage threat in McMichael, but not somebody who will regularly go through the middle of the D and make the 10-yard catch to move the sticks.

CC Coach
04-13-2006, 08:58 PM
Chad Jackson is overrated. He tests well, but in games he doesn't accelerate after the catch, doesn't break as many tackles as his size would dictate and can't take it to the house.
Holmes is much more explosive, has great hands and has great game speed. If Ted Ginn wasn't at OSU, Holmes would be a top 10 pick.
He is solid citizen with a daughter and a good learner and hard worker.
Holmes will be Saban's pick unless they trade down.

DearbornDolfan
04-13-2006, 09:10 PM
Again, if Miami was looking for a #1 reciever, Holmes would be it. However, Miami is looking at a #2 reciever; somebody that regularly lines up in the slot and makes the short-yardage plays when they count.

neuce
04-13-2006, 09:44 PM
Chad Jackson will be the best wr from this draft period. He has size, speed, and hands. For the guy who said he wasn't the best wr on UF's team you obviously did not watch Florida much. Jackson did not benefit from Meyer's system with the short passes but in the previous year he smoked everybody he went up against.

He will have an opportunity to be a big time NFL wr. Miami would be lucky if he is still there at #16.

Link
04-13-2006, 09:52 PM
Sanantonio Holmes. He has been my pick for the first round for a while. He would add great depth and possibly take over as our number 2 reciever in a year or so if not sooner.

icephinfan
04-13-2006, 09:59 PM
Sanantonio Holmes. He has been my pick for the first round for a while. He would add great depth and possibly take over as our number 2 reciever in a year or so if not sooner.

I thought you said you didn't want Holmes with the first pick......:lol:

Just Kidding......That would be a great pick at #1, then Omar Jacobs with the 3rd. Two great picks on day one!!!

bmark549
04-13-2006, 10:21 PM
IMO Chad Jackson will b a bust. Think about it, he wasnt even the best WR at Florida. #5 Caldwell was their best reciver and I do believe the #1..Jackson was the #2 reciver......BUST....i would take Holmes in a heart beat

Up until the last few days I have always wanted Jackson if we were going to go WR in the first round. Physically he's got just about everything you want, but he doesn't really show the gamebreaker ability that he seemingly should possess. I agree with your bust comments and you also have to look at his yards per catch. His YPC's could partly be the product of Urban Meyer's system, but Holmes's YPC's is very intriguing. Holmes is a gamebreaker and definitely a better blocker. I think Jackson goes higher on draft day based on his physical ability and potential. Holmes seems a bit more polished with a greater game breaking ability. I'd be happy with either one, but right now I'd prefer Holmes.

Miamifin23
04-13-2006, 11:09 PM
It's a toss up in my eyes. I would probably take Jackson, I think he has a little more upside in the NFL, but Holmes will probably have better #'s next year. Both would be nice picks tho.

Tureo
04-14-2006, 04:12 PM
You cannot ignore history with Florida wr's. Chad doesn't play as fast as he timed.

Ghetti13
04-14-2006, 04:20 PM
Santonio Holmes. He has outstanding body control. He is an outstanding blocker. He shows outstanding toughness. He is capable of plucking the ball out of the air without losing any speed.

Jackson is a workout warrior who will be better than Holmes if and when he continues to develope. I would have to be sold on him as a person in regards to his character and work ethic in order to draft him over Santonio Holmes.

23Dolphins34
04-14-2006, 04:23 PM
You cannot ignore history with Florida wr's. Chad doesn't play as fast as he timed.

That is true. Name a Florida WR that produced in the NFL. Between the 2, I would go with Holmes. Eagles and Broncos picking right before Miami could possibly taking a WR, especially the Broncos, who could take Jackson.

Santonio Holmes measure at 5' 10 5/8" and 180 lbs. Explosive. That's the one word that generally describes him. Pair him with Chambers and look out.

RunRickyRun34
04-14-2006, 06:14 PM
Name a Florida WR that produced in the NFL

Darrell Jackson.

Simone007
04-14-2006, 06:58 PM
Something tells me Saban will choose Holmes

MiamiMan147
04-14-2006, 07:12 PM
I'd take the kid who plays faster than he times over the one who times faster than he plays any day. Jackson's main advantage over Holmes is size, but these days that doesn't matter as much as it used to. If we pick a WR in round 1 I'll be much happier with Holmes.

rickd13
04-14-2006, 10:30 PM
6'3. Chad Jackson. Any questions?


Steve Smith 5'9", Santana Moss 5'10", Lee Evans 5'10". How did these guys do in the NFL this past season? I think Santonio Holmes would fit in perfectly with the receivers the Dolphins already have, and he would make an excellent complimentary receiver to Chris Chambers once Marty Booker moves on.

Crowder52
04-14-2006, 11:46 PM
I personally like Holmes better. But to the people who say Jackson wasn't the best receiver on his own team, what team were you watching last year? Caldwell got hurt, and even before he went down Chad was outperforming him. Chad scored like 5 tds in the 1st 3 games. And the history of UF receivers...you are talking about the Spurrier era of Fun N' Gun. That system inflated the receivers' numbers, that's how they got overrated. No such system is in place currently.

Dr.Rad
04-15-2006, 01:05 PM
I'll take Jackson please

stoody24
04-15-2006, 06:27 PM
6'3. Chad Jackson. Any questions?try 6'0 NOT 6'3

look at the post above you if you dont believe me