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SouthJerseyFin
04-14-2006, 01:18 AM
keep draft threads in the draft forum


Dont know if this was already posted .. or should probably be in the draft forum but ohhh weelllllllllll....



Dolphins | Team and Saban like V. Young; but will he be there at No. 16?
Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:05:44 -0700
Armando Salguero, of the Miami Herald, reports <A href="http://www.kffl.com/team/22/nfl">Miami Dolphins head coach Nick Saban (http://www.kffl.com/player/9162/nfl)'s esteem for Texas QB Vince Young (http://www.kffl.com/player/13206/nfl) started when the Texas quarterback was 14 years old. If Young is available with the 16th pick of the NFL Draft (http://www.kffl.com/link/159), Miami likely would pick him. Saban recruited Young, and the player picked Texas over LSU in what sources close to Young say was a very difficult decision. Even if Young might not fill the immediate need for an experienced backup quarterback, Saban sees Young, or practically any talented young quarterback, as a player who can be dealt later for multiple draft picks that would be valuable for the team.

Slappy8800
04-14-2006, 01:19 AM
please god no.just please no

icephinfan
04-14-2006, 01:24 AM
please god no.just please no

Warriors come out and play....:D

Yeah, I don't think we need Young or his price tag. If we didn't have C-Pep than hell yeah!!!

kkcow15
04-14-2006, 01:24 AM
vince young will not succeed at the next level. i feel sorry for the poor franchise that picks him. :cough: oakland :cough: . poor al davis, he can't get anything right.

Slappy8800
04-14-2006, 01:28 AM
vince young will not succeed at the next level. i feel sorry for the poor franchise that picks him. :cough: oakland :cough: . poor al davis, he can't get anything right.

haha..tho i never heard the words "poor al davis" before

tylerdolphin
04-14-2006, 02:03 AM
If we pick Vince...I will curl into the fetal postion and cry for a week.

finfan75
04-14-2006, 12:08 PM
I trust Nick to pick who he feels would benefit this team the most. If Young could become a stud at this level then Nick will see it. Anyway he will not be available. We need to pick the best CB or OT that is available.

gunnakillbrady
04-14-2006, 12:21 PM
I wouldnt wanna risk our #1 on such a risk anyway, unless a team molds their offense around him he won't be successful at all and even if they do I just think he's way too big of a question mark to even be worth a 1st round pick regardless of who it is, he's an experiment I wish him the best but there's no telling how he'll do in the NFL

FinsFan71
04-14-2006, 12:37 PM
Hello everyone: :dolphins:

I was making my usual rounds thru the NFL News and Rumor sites and I came across this article in the Miami Herald of all places....:shakeno:

The article suggests that Texas QB - Vince Young might still be available at #16 and that we might take him if he available. :sidelol:

Now I know that Young's draft stock has plummeted lately, but to think that he would fall all the way to 16th is a bit far fetched. It is extremely more probable that he will be gone by the 10th pick.

Teams such as the Raiders, Jets, etc. would definitely scoop him up b4 we ever got a shot at him.

Anyway, check out the article and let me know your thoughts on this topic.

Here's the link:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/football/14339116.htm

DolfanDaveInATX
04-14-2006, 12:41 PM
My thoughts: The mods should move this to the draft forum and then merge.

Da 'Fins
04-14-2006, 12:42 PM
Personally, I seriously doubt Young will drop that far. There are a number of teams that need QB's and I think his athletic skills will be too much to pass up.

I actually think that this is why we are looking at him - just in case he falls to us. You have to get the best player in round 1At the same time, if he does fall to us, it will help us get good trade value for the pick if teams see us as interested in possibly drafting Young. So, our interest in him is a positive.

I read this article as well and I don't see how the Herald came up with that headline from the comments they quoted Saban as making. He did say he was interested in Young and that he saw a place for him on the team, but he never said that Young would likely be our choice.

Da 'Fins
04-14-2006, 12:44 PM
My thoughts: The mods should move this to the draft forum and then merge.

Why should we move a topic about the Dolphins draft players to the draft forum? It's a major "Dolphin" topic at this juncture - not just a draft topic.

Personally, I think there has been some inconsistency on what is moved or not. Are we going to cut off all discussion of potential Dolphin draft picks from this forum? If so, that will severely limit the discussion here the next few weeks.

Phins28
04-14-2006, 12:44 PM
Armando Salguero is crazy :m359:, Young would go to either the Raiders or the Cardinals.

Der Philth
04-14-2006, 12:46 PM
If he's there at 16 you have to take him. Find a way to use him. We're stockpiling offensive talent as it is. Saban and Mularkey are clever enough to get productivity out of one of the best atheletes in the world.

Having said that, there's no way he falls to 16. But if he falls into the 10-13 area, I wouldn't be shocked to see Saban move up to get him.

Dolfan1034
04-14-2006, 12:46 PM
Why should we move a topic about the Dolphins draft players to the draft forum? It's a major "Dolphin" topic at this juncture - not just a draft topic.

Personally, I think there has been some inconsistency on what is moved or not. Are we going to cut off all discussion of potential Dolphin draft picks from this forum? If so, that will severely limit the discussion here the next few weeks.

You know the thread police always has to get a word in.

LOCAL SCUM!
04-14-2006, 12:47 PM
I dont see how he could fall that far, but hey..Look at last year. WHo was it that fell waaaaay down the board to like the LAST pick of the 1st round? Was it Aaron Rogers ? I think..ANyway, NOBODY expected THAT! WHat I'm wondering is: Would they take him to PLAY HIM? OR use for a future Trade??
If CULPEPPER is healthy, and you've got a VINCE YOUNG on your roster...WHAT DO YOU DO??

CubanCulebra
04-14-2006, 12:50 PM
yeh but you never know. Chances are he doesn't fall to 16 but crazier things have happened. I'd take him. Look at Schaub and the high picks ATL demands for him and teams wish they had it to meet. Vince could be very valuable this year or next.

blakeypremer
04-14-2006, 01:46 PM
Young won't fall to us and if he does wow I have no problem drafting the best player available, which would be young at the point Im sure, does any one else agree

FansinceJan'72
04-14-2006, 02:08 PM
#16 is probably higher than Miami will draft for a long time so I think you have to get who you want regardless of what you have to do, especially if it's a QB.

DolfanDaveInATX
04-14-2006, 02:29 PM
Why should we move a topic about the Dolphins draft players to the draft forum? It's a major "Dolphin" topic at this juncture - not just a draft topic.

You answered your own question. There is a draft forum to talk about the draft. Plus this has already been the subject of two threads over there -- why do we need to start a third in a different location. And there are plenty of non-draft topics to kick around in the main board right now -- development of our young players, Ricky's drug appeal, this year's schedule, Daunte's rehab status, positional battles, etc.

unifiedtheory
04-14-2006, 02:31 PM
There is a thread in VIP about this very topic so I'll just paste what I wrote there:

The Miami media is buying into the Young hype machine now.

A question for everyone who is jumping up and down because the article tells us we are drafting Vince Young. Do you honestly believe after months of showing the ultimate poker face, Saban is going to tell the world who he is drafting and be honest about it?

I'm willing to bet anything that reporters took what Nick may have said in a general interview and fit it around a story that would get them a read.

Saban is playing the same old game. He's letting things slip that he wants to let slip. If Young is there for us at #16 he wants teams below us to think we'll pick him so he can fleece draft picks from someone.

Boomer mentioned it in another thread and I agree. Vince Young would be a luxery pick for the Miami Dolphins right now. We are not ready to make luxery picks. We have too many needs to pick a QB/WR hybrid in the first round. Besides, Young would'nt be BPA when we pick anyway. Hell, if he was there for us in the third I would'nt take him....just my opinion.

fishfan34
04-14-2006, 02:51 PM
Saban recruited Young to LSU as a WR, not a QB!

immortalsoul
04-14-2006, 04:40 PM
I know that speculation during the draft season is often out there, but when I read this article I thought it was especially absurd. There are at least 5 teams in front of us that would take VY if he were still on the board ahead of us for potential alone. In fact, I would be suprised if he fell out of the top 5 with NY and Tenn both needing QB's. Even if one of these teams didn't nab him you look at 6-10 and only San Fran would not at least consider taking him.

dlockz
04-14-2006, 04:45 PM
There is a thread in VIP about this very topic so I'll just paste what I wrote there:

The Miami media is buying into the Young hype machine now.

A question for everyone who is jumping up and down because the article tells us we are drafting Vince Young. Do you honestly believe after months of showing the ultimate poker face, Saban is going to tell the world who he is drafting and be honest about it?

I'm willing to bet anything that reporters took what Nick may have said in a general interview and fit it around a story that would get them a read.

Saban is playing the same old game. He's letting things slip that he wants to let slip. If Young is there for us at #16 he wants teams below us to think we'll pick him so he can fleece draft picks from someone.

Boomer mentioned it in another thread and I agree. Vince Young would be a luxery pick for the Miami Dolphins right now. We are not ready to make luxery picks. We have too many needs to pick a QB/WR hybrid in the first round. Besides, Young would'nt be BPA when we pick anyway. Hell, if he was there for us in the third I would'nt take him....just my opinion.


Luxury or not if Young fell to 16 he would be a great pick. Especially if we sign Arrington we have no areas that not been addressed somewhat in free agency. You could argue about safety but maybe we move one of the new corners to safety. The problem with going safety is that besides Huff or williams there is no reason to justify taking a Winter or Simpson with that high of a pick. I truly wish we would trade down and get more picks unelss we take Chad Jackson or Winston Justice. Both could be gone by our pick. Who would be the best player available over Young at sixteen?

finfan54
04-14-2006, 04:47 PM
I dont see how he could fall that far, but hey..Look at last year. WHo was it that fell waaaaay down the board to like the LAST pick of the 1st round? Was it Aaron Rogers ? I think..ANyway, NOBODY expected THAT! WHat I'm wondering is: Would they take him to PLAY HIM? OR use for a future Trade??
If CULPEPPER is healthy, and you've got a VINCE YOUNG on your roster...WHAT DO YOU DO??



You take him. You would be an idiot not to.

finfan54
04-14-2006, 04:48 PM
There is a thread in VIP about this very topic so I'll just paste what I wrote there:

The Miami media is buying into the Young hype machine now.

A question for everyone who is jumping up and down because the article tells us we are drafting Vince Young. Do you honestly believe after months of showing the ultimate poker face, Saban is going to tell the world who he is drafting and be honest about it?

I'm willing to bet anything that reporters took what Nick may have said in a general interview and fit it around a story that would get them a read.

Saban is playing the same old game. He's letting things slip that he wants to let slip. If Young is there for us at #16 he wants teams below us to think we'll pick him so he can fleece draft picks from someone.

Boomer mentioned it in another thread and I agree. Vince Young would be a luxery pick for the Miami Dolphins right now. We are not ready to make luxery picks. We have too many needs to pick a QB/WR hybrid in the first round. Besides, Young would'nt be BPA when we pick anyway. Hell, if he was there for us in the third I would'nt take him....just my opinion.


what aload of crap.

Shula Come Back!
04-14-2006, 04:49 PM
We won'y have to worry about it. He'll be long gone by 16.

unifiedtheory
04-14-2006, 04:57 PM
what aload of crap.
Did you imply that my post was a load of crap?

With stunning insight like that I know how you got to 9,000+ posts. If you want to comment on what I said in a post it would be a good idea in the future to come up with something that takes a little bit of intelligence.

I think Vince Young is the most overrated Q.B. since Ron Mexico. My opinion on Young is very un-objective because I don't like his as a player...I never have and watching how he has conducted himself in the offseason has only increased my skepticism.

fF he was available at #16 I'd pass. Give me Greenway, Jackson or Holmes is a SECOND over Young.

Like I said, I would'nt take Young in the third if he was there. He is'nt an NFL quarterback, I don't CARE what the hype machine says. I don't want a one read and run for your life Q.B....his style never has and never will work in the NFL.

Majpain
04-14-2006, 05:34 PM
Oakland will take him if falls.

HybridPHIN 23
04-15-2006, 12:02 AM
Regardless of who picks in the top ten this year... Vince is a top ten talent. How soon people forget what type of player he was at the college level. He can do much more damage to an NFL defense as a QB than Reggie Bush can as a 3 down back IMO. Just watch the Rose Bowl again. Vince may not start for a year or two but i believe he will be an effective passer and more dangerous a QB than Vick. He's not super fast and he doesnt have a monster arm.... he's just a spectacular Football player. He'll make a mediocre offense a puzzle to defend. If Vince is somehow still available 3 spots before we pick I'll wet my pants.

TexPhinPhan
04-15-2006, 10:56 AM
There is a thread in VIP about this very topic so I'll just paste what I wrote there:

The Miami media is buying into the Young hype machine now.

A question for everyone who is jumping up and down because the article tells us we are drafting Vince Young. Do you honestly believe after months of showing the ultimate poker face, Saban is going to tell the world who he is drafting and be honest about it?

I'm willing to bet anything that reporters took what Nick may have said in a general interview and fit it around a story that would get them a read.

Saban is playing the same old game. He's letting things slip that he wants to let slip. If Young is there for us at #16 he wants teams below us to think we'll pick him so he can fleece draft picks from someone.

Boomer mentioned it in another thread and I agree. Vince Young would be a luxery pick for the Miami Dolphins right now. We are not ready to make luxery picks. We have too many needs to pick a QB/WR hybrid in the first round. Besides, Young would'nt be BPA when we pick anyway. Hell, if he was there for us in the third I would'nt take him....just my opinion.


I promised myself to quit reading these threads, much less responding, but cant help myself.

I agree with your assesment re: Saban not showing his cards, but I have to believe you did not have a chance to watch many UT games when you claim Vince is a one read and run guy, that simply is not the case. If anything, there were games that I was screaming at him to go bc he was NOT running. VY is NOT a qb/wr hybrid. He will be drafted high in this draft as a QB. Will he have a successful career? I think so, and really hope so because, again if you had the opportunity to watch his career, he is a high quality guy.

He wont be around at 16 and if he was I would certainly hope we would draft him. Would Saban move up to pick him? My gut says no.

COMEBACKRICKY
04-15-2006, 06:36 PM
evreyone is getting the wrong opinon on vince. he was a run first qb.....his junior year. i have seen most of his games as a senior (i live close to ut and my sis goes there) so i can say that i think he will be AT LEAST a GOOD player in the nfl. he would be way to good of a pick to pass up. I just hope he is there.

Pennington's Rocket Arm
04-15-2006, 06:57 PM
I agree with your assesment re: Saban not showing his cards, but I have to believe you did not have a chance to watch many UT games when you claim Vince is a one read and run guy, that simply is not the case.
actually it is the case, as that was the design of the offense.

TexPhinPhan
04-15-2006, 08:38 PM
evreyone is getting the wrong opinon on vince. he was a run first qb.....his junior year. i have seen most of his games as a senior (i live close to ut and my sis goes there) so i can say that i think he will be AT LEAST a GOOD player in the nfl. he would be way to good of a pick to pass up. I just hope he is there.
I think you mean Sophmore and junior years, but I get your point.

TexPhinPhan
04-15-2006, 08:39 PM
actually it is the case, as that was the design of the offense.
just simply wrong.

Dors156
04-15-2006, 09:02 PM
im starting to think that either cutler or young will definately fall in the draft.

Pennington's Rocket Arm
04-15-2006, 09:15 PM
just simply wrong. no...in a zone-read offense, you fake the hand off to the back while looking at the defense, and if the initial read wasn't there, he just tucked the ball and ran. luckily for him, his receivers outmatched the defensive backs in every game, so they were more open than not. now if he was at a school with much less talent at the skill positions, he would've ran a lot more. his success is mostly a result from the offense and his teammates.