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Super_Duper85
04-14-2006, 07:48 AM
should we still draft him? What if Culpepper doesn't pan out (unlikely)? We still need a backup QB. Is Cutler's value high enough for us to take a risk and pick him over defensive needs? How about trading down to get extra picks if a team drafting after us covets him???

hof13
04-14-2006, 07:53 AM
If Cutler falls to 16, we trade down with Minnesota - getting the 17th pick plus the 2nd we sent for Daunte. (Minnesota is desperate for a young quarterback and we need payback for the Vernon Carey trade).

burger13
04-14-2006, 07:58 AM
IMO, even at #16, he won't be the BPA....I just don't rate him that high...but if the coaching staff does have him rated ast he BPA, then absolutely.

If they don't, then start auctioning the pick and send it to the highest bidder.

However, even if they pick him....he doesn't fill the void we have at backup QB......we need someone with experience, he would simply take Lemon's place.

TFin21
04-14-2006, 07:59 AM
I believe that JC is the real deal and would take him above ML and VY. If we could trade down in this situation for an extra pick I would do so, if not I would jump all over him.

Finfanforever
04-14-2006, 08:02 AM
I predict this... If Cutler or Young slips to #16, Saban will be on them like stink on crap!

Adam First
04-14-2006, 08:22 AM
I predict this... If Cutler or Young slips to #16, Saban will be on them like stink on crap!

No, he won't. He's not Wannstedt.

krazikarl
04-14-2006, 08:25 AM
I actually think he will slide to 16. I also believe we should trade down. I wouldn't be surprised to see us trade down twice, actually - first to minnesota's spot, and then to whichever team wants to come up and select the best defensive back available at that point. This is also based on the fact that I think we should draft an OT in the first round.

Eric Winston, anyone? (Yea, I've been on a Marcus McNeill train for over a month now, but apparently none of the sources I've looked at recently have him rated in the first round anymore, much less ahead of Winston.)

Finfanforever
04-14-2006, 08:26 AM
No, he won't. He's not Wannstedt.

OK...uninformed one...read today's Miami Herald. Your right he's not WANNY...that's why he WON'T PASS THEM UP. If either one of them (and I'm not a Young fan) falls to the #16th spot, they both will be tabbed as the BPA and taken. Watch and see...

Finfanforever
04-14-2006, 08:30 AM
I actually think he will slide to 16. I also believe we should trade down. I wouldn't be surprised to see us trade down twice, actually - first to minnesota's spot, and then to whichever team wants to come up and select the best defensive back available at that point. This is also based on the fact that I think we should draft an OT in the first round.

Eric Winston, anyone? (Yea, I've been on a Marcus McNeill train for over a month now, but apparently none of the sources I've looked at recently have him rated in the first round anymore, much less ahead of Winston.)

I also think trading down is our best option, especially w/o a 2nd rounder. However... this draft is so deep in talent that I do not see (as Boomer and CK have already said) a whole lot of trading up in this draft. It's simply too expensive to do so. Remember...before you can trade down you have to have SOMEONE to trade down with....

Adam First
04-14-2006, 08:32 AM
OK...uninformed one...read today's Miami Herald. Your right he's not WANNY...that's why he WON'T PASS THEM UP. If either one of them (and I'm not a Young fan) falls to the #16th spot, they both will be tabbed as the BPA and taken. Watch and see...
Really?

We don't need a quarterback. Not really the best player availible for the MIAMI DOLPHINS, is it?

kitt23
04-14-2006, 08:37 AM
if cutler or VY is available at 16, which they wont be, but saban knows if he drafts them, he can always trade them and get an extra pick that way.

Finfanforever
04-14-2006, 09:01 AM
Really?

We don't need a quarterback. Not really the best player availible for the MIAMI DOLPHINS, is it?

There is a difference between "need" and "best player available" you just contridicted yourself. Also keep in mind that if Saban grabs Young or Cutler, that doesn't mean he'll keep then (trade bait).

PS: Do you know ANYTHING about Saban's draft philosophy? Apparently not...:shakeno: He's big on BPA in the 1st round...regardless of position or "need".

NorFlaFin
04-14-2006, 09:04 AM
If Cutler falls to 16, I'm taking him...........

arsenal
04-14-2006, 09:07 AM
But for as complicated as it all sounded, Saban's explanation of his overriding philosophy made everything seem very simple. He prefers to search for long-term value at any position rather than short-term satisfaction at a single position of need. It's all the better, of course, if value and need fulfillment happen to come in the same glorious package. But nobody's counting on such a confluence of factors arriving at Miami's 16th pick if, in fact, that's where the Dolphins stay

anything is possible with saban

jlfin
04-14-2006, 09:08 AM
No, he won't. He's not Wannstedt.

Actually in the Orlando Sentinel this morning Saban has already been quoted as saying he will take Young if he falls to 16. Apparently Saban recruited him hard when he was at LSU, but Young chose Texas.

jlfin
04-14-2006, 09:12 AM
if cutler or VY is available at 16, which they wont be, but saban knows if he drafts them, he can always trade them and get an extra pick that way.

That's true. You draft for value. If you don't need the player you can always trade them.
Look at Atlanta. They spent a mid rd pick on Schaub and there are some teams that actually considered trading a 1st rd pick for him.
When you draft for need you have a greater chance of drafting a bust. We older fans have seen it before. Eric Kumerow and Billy Milner come to mind.

Kyfinsfan
04-14-2006, 09:41 AM
BPA in the first round makes the most sense to me. IF Young and Cutler are above other prospects on the Fins board and they are available, I think Saban will use the full 15 minutes, assessing possible (if any) trade options, then barring a trade, pull the trigger on either of them.

Tureo
04-14-2006, 05:37 PM
If Cutler or Young fall to 16 I think we take them because of the high value at that pick. It would be great insurance but I hope we would take a Wr, Db, Lb, or OL.

RHoffman
04-14-2006, 10:17 PM
qb you do it...so if Saban believes Cutler or Young fits the category I think you have to do it. The team is probably looking at having to groom a young qb anyhow.

Dolfan2788
04-15-2006, 04:17 AM
^^^
I'm with him. Even if Young or Cutler aren't needs because of the Culpepper acquisition, they are potential franchise QB's and you draft them regardless.

Culpepper will be at the top of his game for 5 years, if we pick either one, especially Young then it will give them good playing time in pre-season and when Culpepper's injured they can get regular season playing time meaning that they will be as ready as any QB can be when they get their chance.

Culpepper might not even pan out, and if a potential franchise QB comes our way in the draft I wouldn't be happy if we passed on them.

Kdawg954
04-15-2006, 08:45 AM
All depends on where the QB's are ranked on the BPA chart, plain and simple. Also depends on who else is there. We don't know who is ranked where on the BPA list, hell maybe Cromartie is ranked above both and we take him, this is all speculation, but I like the idea of drafting BPA in the first round . . with that being said if Deangelo Williams is there at 16 and ranked highest player available I wouldn't want to draft him, hopefully could trade down.

kpcane
04-15-2006, 07:44 PM
PS: Do you know ANYTHING about Saban's draft philosophy? Apparently not...:shakeno: He's big on BPA in the 1st round...regardless of position or "need".

How do you know Saban's draft philosophy? How do you know whether or not he really thought Braylon Edwards was better than Ronnie Brown? Ronnie filled a HUGE need for us last year, and Braylon would have been 3rd on the depth chart all year.

If we don't get Lavar, and he takes an OLB in the first round, your argument is shot, because that would be 2 years in a row of Saban filling in huge holes on the team. We have to give Saban time before he starts taking the BPA in the first round every year. He has to build his team first, and then he can start doing that. He's still fixing Wanny's mess right now...but he's almost done:cooldude:

kkcow15
04-16-2006, 02:10 PM
if he falls to 16 i really think that we will trade down. nick loves his draft picks and probably is dissapointed in losing our 2nd. Anything he can do to get it back, he will. We can take a qb next year, but daunte is fine for now.