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elite14eva
04-14-2006, 06:47 PM
Draft threads belong in the draft forum.

Dolphins | Culpepper backup may come from draft
Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:11:02 -0700
<A href="http://www.kffl.com/link/17">Len Pasquarelli, of ESPN.com (http://www.kffl.com/link/9), reports the Miami Dolphins (http://www.kffl.com/team/22/nfl) may use the upcoming 2006 NFL Draft (http://www.kffl.com/link/159) to find a backup for QB Daunte Culpepper (http://www.kffl.com/player/1120/nfl), especially if the team cannot pull off a trade for Detroit Lions (http://www.kffl.com/team/16/nfl) QB Joey Harrington (http://www.kffl.com/player/660/nfl)

icephinfan
04-14-2006, 06:47 PM
OMAR JACOBS in the 3rd round!!!

JPenedo
04-14-2006, 06:47 PM
Yeah, just read that now but why look into it? It is common sense and just coming from speculation. I can make a story right now and say Culpeper backup MAY came from free agency too.

RoninFin4
04-14-2006, 06:48 PM
OMAR JACOBS in the 3rd round!!!

I wouldn't be opposed to that. Aren't we the only team that's had him in for a visit to this point?

icephinfan
04-14-2006, 06:49 PM
I wouldn't be opposed to that. Aren't we the only team that's had him in for a visit to this point?


:yes:

CubanCulebra
04-14-2006, 06:52 PM
Dolphins | Culpepper backup may come from draft
Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:11:02 -0700
<A href="http://www.kffl.com/link/17">Len Pasquarelli, of ESPN.com (http://www.kffl.com/link/9), reports the Miami Dolphins (http://www.kffl.com/team/22/nfl) may use the upcoming 2006 NFL Draft (http://www.kffl.com/link/159) to find a backup for QB Daunte Culpepper (http://www.kffl.com/player/1120/nfl), especially if the team cannot pull off a trade for Detroit Lions (http://www.kffl.com/team/16/nfl) QB Joey Harrington (http://www.kffl.com/player/660/nfl)
I think it's time we put some pressure on the Lions.

Link
04-14-2006, 06:54 PM
OMAR JACOBS in the 3rd round!!!

YES! Get him!

Ohiophinphan
04-14-2006, 06:58 PM
The two are not mutually exclusive. If we get Jacobs or even Vince Young they will not be ready for a year or two. We would need someone in the number two slot especially for the first couple of weeks of this year. That's why Harrington would be attractive. If he gets a two year contract and is either able to rehab his rep (or crashes and burns) he will be gone at the same time a 2006 draftee is ready to step up.

FanMarino
04-14-2006, 06:59 PM
A Rookie as a backup? or Lemon as a backup? Neither taken a snap in a regular NFL game and Dauntes playing condition come the first game unknown? hmmmm....Hope we get Harrington, thats all im saying.

MiamiMan147
04-14-2006, 07:00 PM
A QB taken this year will not be an effective backup and will do nothing to fill our need for someone to start the season in place of Daunte. With the limited number of picks we have this year, there's no way in hell I draft Omar Jacobs or any other QB in the 3rd. I'd just as soon go into the season with Cleo Lemon as the starter while Daunte recovers.

Fin Fan in Cali
04-14-2006, 07:03 PM
A QB taken this year will not be an effective backup and will do nothing to fill our need for someone to start the season in place of Daunte. With the limited number of picks we have this year, there's no way in hell I draft Omar Jacobs or any other QB in the 3rd. I'd just as soon go into the season with Cleo Lemon as the starter while Daunte recovers.Be careful with your last statement. There are a lot of members that don't like Lemon at all.:wink: I think Lemon will do okay with our supporting cast and coaches.

NickJr.
04-14-2006, 07:04 PM
Dolphins | Culpepper backup may come from draft
Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:11:02 -0700
<A href="http://www.kffl.com/link/17">Len Pasquarelli, of ESPN.com (http://www.kffl.com/link/9), reports the Miami Dolphins (http://www.kffl.com/team/22/nfl) may use their brains to find a backup for QB Daunte Culpepper (http://www.kffl.com/player/1120/nfl), especially if the team cannot pull off a trade for Detroit Lions (http://www.kffl.com/team/16/nfl) QB Joey Harrington (http://www.kffl.com/player/660/nfl)

This must have been some real "inside information"

Phins28
04-14-2006, 07:05 PM
OMAR JACOBS in the 3rd round!!!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

icephinfan
04-14-2006, 07:06 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!!

MiamiMan147
04-14-2006, 07:09 PM
Be careful with your last statement. There are a lot of members that don't like Lemon at all.:wink: I think Lemon will do okay with our supporting cast and coaches.

Its not that I'm a Lemon fan, him starting the season for us would be far from ideal. Its just that he'd be more ready to start than any QB available in the 3rd round or later.

Link
04-14-2006, 07:09 PM
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!!

I second that!

PSU Cane
04-14-2006, 07:11 PM
If we were taking a backup QB in this draft, my #1 choice would be Brodie Croyle. I really like Croyle leadership qualities and ability to make all the throws with his strong arm. He could come in and take over a huddle as a youngster. Everywhere he went players were raving about his leadership qualities. I think the durability concerns are true for any QB, but shouldn't prevent you from taking a shot. Aikman was fragile but no one would have turned him away.

I really DISLIKE Jacobs. I think he is vastly overrated. I don't like the way he throws the ball, i don't like his accuracy (his completion % isn't accurate b/c the teams he plays against are terrible) and i hate the system he played in. I'd rather take a guy like Whitehurst or even a project like that big kid from Grambling or that kid from Jackson St. i think. You could get those guys later and not use a #3.

icephinfan
04-14-2006, 07:18 PM
If we drafted Omar Jacobs he would have plenty of time to get ready for the season....let's see training camp and pre-season!!

Link
04-14-2006, 07:22 PM
If we drafted Omar Jacobs he would have plenty of time to get ready for the season....let's see training camp and pre-season!!

Plus he will be learning from Daunte who has a similar style. I do think that if we do get Omar Jacobs we should get a veteren also. Plus if I remember right, didn't Saban say he wanted four QB's on the roster. Brock Berlin won't be around that long so we will need a young guy who's name is not Lemon. (Sorry every time I hear his last name it makes me laugh.)

icephinfan
04-14-2006, 07:24 PM
Plus he will be learning from Daunte who has a similar style. I do think that if we do get Omar Jacobs we should get a veteren also. Plus if I remember right, didn't Saban say he wanted four QB's on the roster. Brock Berlin won't be around that long so we will need a young guy who's name is not Lemon. (Sorry every time I hear his last name it makes me laugh.)

Yeah we can still sign a veteran, and draft Omar.:eek:

kpcane
04-14-2006, 07:28 PM
Its not that I'm a Lemon fan, him starting the season for us would be far from ideal. Its just that he'd be more ready to start than any QB available in the 3rd round or later.

I agree completely. It's hard to believe people would rather have Omar Jacobs under center week 1, than Cleo Lemon...a guy that has been in the system for a year, and a guy we already spent a draft pick on (though that shouldn't matter as much).
I would be very, very upset if we spend our 3rd or 4th pick on a QB. I'm not entirely opposed to getting Young if he fell to us in the 1st though.

icephinfan
04-14-2006, 07:34 PM
I agree completely. It's hard to believe people would rather have Omar Jacobs under center week 1, than Cleo Lemon...a guy that has been in the system for a year, and a guy we already spent a draft pick on (though that shouldn't matter as much).
I would be very, very upset if we spend our 3rd or 4th pick on a QB. I'm not entirely opposed to getting Young if he fell to us in the 1st though.

So, you would be mad if we take a QB with the 3rd, but not opposed to a QB in the 1st.....ummmmmm okay!

Dors156
04-14-2006, 07:35 PM
OMAR JACOBS in the 3rd round!!!


yea thats what im hoping for.ive been watching him all year and was like man i hope he can be a fin someday

icephinfan
04-14-2006, 07:41 PM
yea thats what im hoping for.ive been watching him all year and was like man i hope he can be a fin someday

Omar will fit in nicely!!!!:dolphins:

305TillIDie
04-14-2006, 07:43 PM
OMAR JACOBS in the 3rd round!!!
:yes:

icephinfan
04-14-2006, 07:45 PM
People are hating on Omar...he can throw with good accuracy, has good speed, like a mini me to C-PEP!!!!

305TillIDie
04-14-2006, 07:46 PM
omar jacobs will be a nice selection in the 3rd round if hes therethe kid has a good arm and if you dont pay attention to his legs, zoooooom!..hes gone..so watch out!:lol:

icephinfan
04-14-2006, 07:48 PM
omar jacobs will be a nice selection in the 3rd round if hes therethe kid has a good arm and if you dont pay attention to his legs, zoooooom!..hes gone..so watch out!:lol:

Hell yeah, he would fit nicely into what Saban wants to do down here in MIAMI!!!!

kpcane
04-14-2006, 07:50 PM
So, you would be mad if we take a QB with the 3rd, but not opposed to a QB in the 1st.....ummmmmm okay!

I said I'm not entirely opposed. I know it's difficult to understand, but getting possibly the best player in the draft is something I could understand because he could yield several first round picks in the future. Omar Jacobs will just go to #3 on the depth chart and stay there for a couple years before we cut him.

Link
04-14-2006, 07:55 PM
I said I'm not entirely opposed. I know it's difficult to understand, but getting possibly the best player in the draft is something I could understand because he could yield several first round picks in the future. Omar Jacobs will just go to #3 on the depth chart and stay there for a couple years before we cut him.

Or he could be our future starter. Not for awhile, but in the mean time he would take the backup role and give us great depth in a position that has been very weak up until this year. Well, last year was ok. Gus did a pretty good job for the most part.

icephinfan
04-14-2006, 08:04 PM
I said I'm not entirely opposed. I know it's difficult to understand, but getting possibly the best player in the draft is something I could understand because he could yield several first round picks in the future. Omar Jacobs will just go to #3 on the depth chart and stay there for a couple years before we cut him.

Cut him...who said anything about cutting Omar??? If we draft him we are not going to groom him and cut him so another team can take him.:shakeno:

kpcane
04-14-2006, 10:13 PM
Or he could be our future starter. Not for awhile, but in the mean time he would take the backup role and give us great depth in a position that has been very weak up until this year. Well, last year was ok. Gus did a pretty good job for the most part.

Jacobs would not jump Lemon on the depth chart this year. That would make him 3rd string.

kpcane
04-14-2006, 10:15 PM
Cut him...who said anything about cutting Omar??? If we draft him we are not going to groom him and cut him so another team can take him.:shakeno:

I expect Daunte to play until he's at least 35, but he'll most likely play til he's 37-38 or so. He's 29 right now, and will be 30 by the time the season starts. Do you really plan on grooming a guy for 5-7 years?

icephinfan
04-14-2006, 11:12 PM
I expect Daunte to play until he's at least 35, but he'll most likely play til he's 37-38 or so. He's 29 right now, and will be 30 by the time the season starts. Do you really plan on grooming a guy for 5-7 years?

Okay here we go....I get where you are coming from, but if Daunte get's hurt and he's out for the year, then we have a guy who we groomed, not searching for a QB like we are now!!!Who says he needs 5-7 years grooming????

MiamiMan147
04-14-2006, 11:44 PM
We need a backup QB this year. How is any marginally talented rookie QB going to help us in this area? Especially one who played in a shotgun offense that doesn't remotely resemble any NFL team and would need 2-3 years before he'd be ready to start. We have 3 picks in the first 6 rounds and need depth at LB, CB, S, WR, OG/C, and maybe DT. This is not the year to be drafting a QB unless its with one of our 7ths.

Ohiophinphan
04-14-2006, 11:50 PM
Jacobs would not jump Lemon on the depth chart this year. That would make him 3rd string.

If, big if, we pick up a veteran QB (such as Harrington, Collins, Maddox, etc.) to be the number two AND draft a Young or a Jacobs, then yes the draftee would likely jump Lemon into the three slot because of a greater upside.

from kpcane
I expect Daunte to play until he's at least 35, but he'll most likely play til he's 37-38 or so. He's 29 right now, and will be 30 by the time the season starts. Do you really plan on grooming a guy for 5-7 years?

In short, yes. Again they would be groomed into a number two for one to two years under a veteran number two (again like Harrington et. al.) and then go to number two when the veteran moves on. Steve Young was a number two for a long time first in Tampa Bay and then for SF until Montana left. If he is good enough he could even challenge 'pepper by the time Pep is 33-35 and perhaps force Pep into the veteran back-up role.

This is a lot of speculation but that could be one way of thinking. It also represents a best case kind of scenario.

Coral Reefer
04-15-2006, 01:54 AM
Draft threads belong in the draft forum.

Dolphins | Culpepper backup may come from draft
Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:11:02 -0700
<A href="http://www.kffl.com/link/17">Len Pasquarelli, of ESPN.com (http://www.kffl.com/link/9), reports the Miami Dolphins (http://www.kffl.com/team/22/nfl) may use the upcoming 2006 NFL Draft (http://www.kffl.com/link/159) to find a backup for QB Daunte Culpepper (http://www.kffl.com/player/1120/nfl), especially if the team cannot pull off a trade for Detroit Lions (http://www.kffl.com/team/16/nfl) QB Joey Harrington (http://www.kffl.com/player/660/nfl)

I believe there's a better chance of me snowboarding down a snow capped mountain in Miami during July then there is of Nick Saban counting on a rookie to back up Culpepper ESPECIALLY when that rookie may very well need to start the season.

Same chances of us starting the year with Lemon as our second stringer.

Not going to happen folks.

Phins28
04-15-2006, 02:02 AM
John Clayton said Harrington is coming to miami, either throu trade or him been released.

kpcane
04-15-2006, 07:48 PM
Okay here we go....I get where you are coming from, but if Daunte get's hurt and he's out for the year, then we have a guy who we groomed, not searching for a QB like we are now!!!Who says he needs 5-7 years grooming????

Yeah Daunte could get hurt, but is Jacobs significantly better than Lemon, or does he have a significantly higher upside? We don't know! And in the 3rd round, we're going to have to get a guy that we do know can fill a hole, or provide solid depth. Right now, I don't see Jacobs being any better than Lemon, and I feel it would be a wasted pick.

I wasn't saying Jacobs needs 5-7 years, I said that's how long I expect Daunte would play, so we would essentially be "grooming" him for 5-7 years, because he'd be in a reserve role for that long.

kpcane
04-15-2006, 07:53 PM
from kpcane
I expect Daunte to play until he's at least 35, but he'll most likely play til he's 37-38 or so. He's 29 right now, and will be 30 by the time the season starts. Do you really plan on grooming a guy for 5-7 years?

In short, yes. Again they would be groomed into a number two for one to two years under a veteran number two (again like Harrington et. al.) and then go to number two when the veteran moves on. Steve Young was a number two for a long time first in Tampa Bay and then for SF until Montana left. If he is good enough he could even challenge 'pepper by the time Pep is 33-35 and perhaps force Pep into the veteran back-up role.

This is a lot of speculation but that could be one way of thinking. It also represents a best case kind of scenario.

That's a good point about Young, but the thing is, he never jumped Testaverde on the depth chart and what happened??? HE MOVED ON!! He did end up being successful with SF when Montana got injured...he didn't "push him for time" per se.
I really, really, really hope that Culpepper is not pushed for playing time in 3 years. That would make the trade a lot worse than I thought it was.
I think we'd be better off getting more secondary, linebacking, or offensive line help in the 3rd and 4th rounds.

Metal Panda
04-16-2006, 12:46 PM
Cut him...who said anything about cutting Omar??? If we draft him we are not going to groom him and cut him so another team can take him.:shakeno:

After two years of sitting on the bench, Omar will ask to be traded, and when he becomes an unrestricted free agent, he will jump, if Culpepper stays healthy the next 4-5 years.

Metal Panda
04-16-2006, 12:47 PM
Steve Young was a #2 for years because it was pre-free agency where you could just stockpile talent.

Metal Panda
04-16-2006, 12:49 PM
Or he could be our future starter. Not for awhile, but in the mean time he would take the backup role and give us great depth in a position that has been very weak up until this year. Well, last year was ok. Gus did a pretty good job for the most part.

No way in hell in today's NFL is a player who gets drafted at QB in the third round of higher, is going to wait 4-5 years to even have a chance to start. The minute he becomes a free agent, he'll walk. Then we've just developed him for somebody else.

You can't groom for 4-5 years anymore. The climate of the NFL changed after the NFL lost that lawsuit over Plan B.

Link
04-16-2006, 12:53 PM
No way in hell in today's NFL is a player who gets drafted at QB in the third round of higher, is going to wait 4-5 years to even have a chance to start. The minute he becomes a free agent, he'll walk. Then we've just developed him for somebody else.

You can't groom for 4-5 years anymore. The climate of the NFL changed after the NFL lost that lawsuit over Plan B.

I didn't mean it that way. If he becomes good he may take over as starter 3 years down the line. If not he would be a solid backup or possibly traded for more value. Plus, as it is we are hoping Daunte can be there for years, but things happen and if there is any position you need a good insurance policy, it is Quarterback.

Metal Panda
04-16-2006, 12:56 PM
I didn't mean it that way. If he becomes good he may take over as starter 3 years down the line. If not he would be a solid backup or possibly traded for more value. Plus, as it is we are hoping Daunte can be there for years, but things happen and if there is any position you need a good insurance policy, it Quarterback.

He's going to overtake Daunte Culpepper? Only if Daunte either A. never recovers from his injury and returns to form, or B. If he has a career ending injury.

Otherwise, why was the trade made? Daunte's only 29.

Link
04-16-2006, 02:07 PM
He's going to overtake Daunte Culpepper? Only if Daunte either A. never recovers from his injury and returns to form, or B. If he has a career ending injury.

Otherwise, why was the trade made? Daunte's only 29.

Yeah, thats what I mean. I just think its good to have someone that will be there if either of those happen. I really hope neither happen and that Daunte returns to how he was in 2004, but with our luck the last couple years with quarterbacks I say it would be better to be safe then sorry.