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Finfan14
04-21-2006, 09:01 AM
says Lawson is a wor out warrior and was not impressive at the combine in drills or on film in college.

Guys like that worry me. He would be a major reach at #16.

SkapePhin
04-21-2006, 09:05 AM
Chad Greenway or Santanio Holmes at 16.

BennyVW
04-21-2006, 09:07 AM
You will hear some well informed dissension from the VIP crowd....

BLITZKRIEG
04-21-2006, 09:08 AM
Chad Greenway or Santanio Holmes at 16.

:yeahthat:

kpcane
04-21-2006, 09:13 AM
I coulda swore I remember Lawson being extremely impressive at the combine. I'm pretty sure he outdid Mario Williams in most of the categories. Someone can back this up with the numbers I'm sure.

BennyVW
04-21-2006, 09:21 AM
I coulda swore I remember Lawson being extremely impressive at the combine. I'm pretty sure he outdid Mario Williams in most of the categories. Someone can back this up with the numbers I'm sure.


a 6'5" 241 lb guy running a 4.43 is very impresive.

ATS16
04-21-2006, 09:27 AM
Lawson or Holmes at # 16!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cooldude:

Mike13
04-21-2006, 09:29 AM
Chad Greenway or Santanio Holmes at 16.

:yeahthat:

NorFlaFin
04-21-2006, 09:30 AM
Mike Mammula was a workout warrior and a complete bust.

The scouts have plenty of film on Lawson to base their opinons.

SR 7
04-21-2006, 09:30 AM
I coulda swore I remember Lawson being extremely impressive at the combine. I'm pretty sure he outdid Mario Williams in most of the categories. Someone can back this up with the numbers I'm sure.

he did AWESOME. mayock is clearly BS ****

Bowl_Bound
04-21-2006, 09:41 AM
Chad Greenway or Santanio Holmes at 16.
Geenway would be my choice unless we get arrington. Both good values but Chad fills a bigger need.

MustangFinFan
04-21-2006, 09:48 AM
Geenway would be my choice unless we get arrington. Both good values but Chad fills a bigger need.

bigger need??? We have like 4-5 OLBs to play the other side.....Hodge, Pope, Spragan, Sinclair. If we dont get Arrington, i wouldnt bother signing or drafting an OLB. Possibly the top Center recruit, or Left Guard recruit. Eric Mangold and Max Jean Gilles. Well Max may go in the 2nd

Der Philth
04-21-2006, 09:56 AM
I believe Mayock said he was great at the combine and wasn't as impressive on film. He had him graded as a 3rd round pick, which I think is very low for Manny, but it does make you wonder about burning the 16th overall on him. I think I'd rather get him at value later in the 1st by dropping down.

arsenal
04-21-2006, 10:51 AM
I coulda swore I remember Lawson being extremely impressive at the combine. I'm pretty sure he outdid Mario Williams in most of the categories. Someone can back this up with the numbers I'm sure.

yes thats what hes saying, hes a work out warrior, but in the positional drills at LB he wasn't too impressive hes saying...

so he ran fast, jumped high, benched a lot, etc... but when hes on the field is he good enough to warrant that high of a pick? i dont think so personally... i have never been too high on the guy...

nick1
04-21-2006, 10:57 AM
how is a guy who posted 10.5 sacks and 20 tackles for loss last season a workout warrior? the definition of a workout warrior is a player who looks very well in workouts but in a game doesn't do much. when you look at what Lawson did you see that he made alot of plays, he's not a workout warrior! he also blocked 9 punts in his college career

Austin Tatious
04-21-2006, 11:14 AM
I wouldn't mind taking a chance at Cromartie in the 1st. My second choice would be Donte Whitner. We added some talent in the secondary in free agency, but we don't have a total stud back there.

If we go OLB, I prefer Bobby Carpenter, who is a more heady and complete player than Manny Lawson. I'd be happy to drop down some and still grab Carpenter. But I think we can go into next season with Hodge/Spragan at OLB and be just fine.

arsenal
04-21-2006, 11:44 AM
how is a guy who posted 10.5 sacks and 20 tackles for loss last season a workout warrior? the definition of a workout warrior is a player who looks very well in workouts but in a game doesn't do much. when you look at what Lawson did you see that he made alot of plays, he's not a workout warrior! he also blocked 9 punts in his college career

yeah as a defensive end... but with his size hes not being looked at as a DE mostly, but as an OLB in a 3-4, at least thats how we would use him...

NorFlaFin
04-21-2006, 11:59 AM
Recalling Lawson in some NCSU games, I never thought he was a Bruce Smith type of DE who could literally take over a game.

At 16 I think it's a questionable pick.

jimthefin
04-21-2006, 12:02 PM
I like Lawson as a prospect but I do not like the idea of using the #16 pick on a projection.

He MIGHT become a terrific OLB, but he is a gamble.

Right now I go Greenway, Whitner or maybe Holmes at #16..............unless Justice or Bunkley falls.

outtawack311
04-21-2006, 12:22 PM
You will hear some well informed dissension from the VIP crowd....
PLEASE dont start this crap. I go on other message boards and there is one person in every post who says something along those lines or if someone asks a q they say "the answer is in the vip area". Soon we are going to start seeing breaking news as a thread title and the message will say "check the vip area for what it is". I absolutely hate when people shove this stuff into my face and I bet there are a ton of people who agree with me. I am in college and dont have the money to spend on vip message boards yet.

I really hope finheaven doesn't turn into this kind of forum.

NickJr.
04-21-2006, 12:27 PM
yes thats what hes saying, hes a work out warrior, but in the positional drills at LB he wasn't too impressive hes saying...

so he ran fast, jumped high, benched a lot, etc... but when hes on the field is he good enough to warrant that high of a pick? i dont think so personally... i have never been too high on the guy...

I agree. Everything he did on the field was because Mario Williams was triple covered on the other side and Williams still had better #s.

I'm not saying the guy's a bad player, just a reach at #16.

ckparrothead
04-21-2006, 01:04 PM
There's a reason Manny Lawson was voted by his own teammates and coaches as the team MVP, not Mario Williams. He's a hard worker, he's smart, and honestly his workouts and tangibles make Mike Mamula look like Elvis Dumervil, IMO.

He doesn't take over games, but he's ALWAYS there. He's always in the QBs ear hole. Its like clockwork, he never disappears from games. I mean the guy had 10.5 sacks, 20 TFLs, 14 quarterback hurries, 4 passes defensed...he's blocked 9 kicks in his career at NC State.

Here's a fun fact. You know he's returned 5 punts for an average of 13 yards per return? Serious. He returned one for 7 yards in 2005, then for 15 yards in 2003, and 13, 13, and 17 yards in 2002.

I know I know, returns have nothing to do with being a defensive end. I just think that I've not seen a guy who plays so much like JT as this guy. His long arms (35.75" reach, same as D'Brickashaw Ferguson) keep his body away from the offensive tackle tryng to block him. He plays with good power (ask Marcus McNeil, who got bull rushed by Manny right into the QB at the Senior Bowl). And nobody can reproduce that speed rush around the edge. I've heard his spin move called pedestrian but when you're that fast, none of your moves are pedestrian. He's got Jason Taylor's spin move, not Dwight Freeney's whirling dervish.

I think the guy is going to be special wherever you play him because he's a smart player (scored a 28 on the wonderlic), he is a hard worker and a leader (see the Team MVP vote done by his own teammates and coaches), he's a physical freak in terms of speed and his ability to move, and at least in terms of hitting the weights, he's actually pretty strong...not overly strong, but plenty strong enough.

On that last note, Anthony Alabi has long arms like Manny except longer (36.75 inches) and he struggled on the 225 bench...only did 18 reps. But, he can reportedly max over 500 pounds. Why the disparity? Well, the long arms really sap your endurance on the bench, but not necessarily your maximum lift. Manny did 23 reps. Not fantastic, but certainly not bad, and actually quite good when you consider his 36 inch arms. Other guys in the draft with arms as long as many did around 27-28 reps, but they all outweighed Manny by near-100 pounds.

And what is remarkable to me is that he plays with power. He bull rushed the 340 pound McNeil right into the QB for a sack. He is easily able to use his upper body strength and long arms to keep the tackle off his body in the ground game, and this allows him to redirect after the ball carrier really well.

When you break down tape of Jason Taylor, you don't see some flashy spin move like Dwight Freeney. You don't see the bull rushing of Trace Armstrong. You don't see the club move of Reggie White or the rip move of Michael Strahan. You just see a guy who is tall, upright, extremely fast around the edge, strong enough to hold his arms out at the point of attack, has an endless motor, and otherwise just plain more athletic than everyone he faces. This is why he's able to string together any number of moves he wants even if he's not the expert in those maneuvers. He's always there. I don't know that you see a bunch of games where JT just takes over the whole thing (although he seems to consistently do so against the Broncos, strangely enough). He'll have his hat trick game every year, but otherwise he's just steady, always putting pressure on...never completely disappearing.

ckparrothead
04-21-2006, 01:15 PM
I agree. Everything he did on the field was because Mario Williams was triple covered on the other side and Williams still had better #s.

I'm not saying the guy's a bad player, just a reach at #16.

Well that's just plain not true. Mario Williams got 10 of his 14.5 sacks against Wake Forest, Southern Miss., and Maryland. Not exactly powerhouses with great OL those teams. He was not the one voted by the team and coaches as the Team MVP, it was Manny.

Prior to Wake Forest, Mario was not the star on that defensive line. Manny had been the guy that was more well known on the DL for being the speedy guy with tremendous athleticism. In 2004 these guys were right with each other the whole time in sacks, hurries, and TFLs. They were again right with each other in 2005.

I find it funny that someone would bring up Mario Williams knocking Manny Lawson for being a workout warrior, because Mario is only where he is because of his measurables as well.

nick1
04-21-2006, 01:26 PM
Well that's just plain not true. Mario Williams got 10 of his 14.5 sacks against Wake Forest, Southern Miss., and Maryland. Not exactly powerhouses with great OL those teams. He was not the one voted by the team and coaches as the Team MVP, it was Manny.

Prior to Wake Forest, Mario was not the star on that defensive line. Manny had been the guy that was more well known on the DL for being the speedy guy with tremendous athleticism. In 2004 these guys were right with each other the whole time in sacks, hurries, and TFLs. They were again right with each other in 2005.

I find it funny that someone would bring up Mario Williams knocking Manny Lawson for being a workout warrior, because Mario is only where he is because of his measurables as well.
do you think one could argue that Lawson is better than Williams? I think he is

beejay05
04-21-2006, 04:12 PM
Ever since the combine Manny has been the guy I want. If there is even a chance that this kid can give us another 10 years of "JT" or even close, I think we have to take a shot at 16. I am even more conviced he can be that type of player after reading CK's post....very well said brother. I think the Santonio Holmes', Tye Hills, Donte Witners, and CHad Greenways of the world are a dime a dozen in the first day of the draft.

Boomer
04-21-2006, 04:45 PM
Mayock is talking out of his asss.

jlfin
04-21-2006, 05:07 PM
Mike Mammula was a workout warrior and a complete bust.

The scouts have plenty of film on Lawson to base their opinons.

That's a good comparison. Mamula shot up the draft boards after the combine and private workouts, not because of his college productivity.
How about Andre Wadsworth from FSU? What has he done in the NFL? Boy, were people raving about him as an edge rusher before the draft.

mia4ever
04-21-2006, 05:54 PM
I agree. Everything he did on the field was because Mario Williams was triple covered on the other side and Williams still had better #s.

I'm not saying the guy's a bad player, just a reach at #16.

I too was on the manny lawson bandwagon.
Then I remember watching the senior bowl
saying, to myself that number 91 is getting
no penetration. I really don't know if he can play olb
I hope I'm wrong.

but
Bobby Carpenter can play de/olb
he's a Monster on the field
very flexable in his hips

Muck
04-21-2006, 06:12 PM
Mike Mammula was a workout warrior and a complete bust.

The scouts have plenty of film on Lawson to base their opinons.

Thing is, they've got plenty of film on his as an undersized DE. He'll play LB in the pros. So it's not quite Mike Mamula staying at DE.

FinNasty
04-21-2006, 06:50 PM
says Lawson is a wor out warrior and was not impressive at the combine in drills or on film in college.

Guys like that worry me. He would be a major reach at #16.

I couldnt disagree more... Lawson is a hell of an athletic speciman... but he is also an extremely talented player. He has a high motor and is all over the field.

He would be an animal in our defense...

FinNasty
04-21-2006, 06:51 PM
Mike Mammula was a workout warrior and a complete bust.

The scouts have plenty of film on Lawson to base their opinons.

If you want a workout warrior... see: Vernon Davis

GCD960
04-21-2006, 10:44 PM
Speaking of Lawson, did he ever play LB in college? I dont think he did but i want to make sure. He is a helluvan athlete but do we want to use our first pick on a guy who hasnt played that position before?

Ideally, a guy that can step right in and play should be the route. Unless, Manny could after camp. What are your thoughts, can manny start the season at olb?

Geforce
04-21-2006, 10:48 PM
Speaking of Lawson, did he ever play LB in college? I dont think he did but i want to make sure. He is a helluvan athlete but do we want to use our first pick on a guy who hasnt played that position before?

Ideally, a guy that can step right in and play should be the route. Unless, Manny could after camp. What are your thoughts, can manny start the season at olb?
Yes. He played OLB before moving to DE his junior year.

unifiedtheory
04-21-2006, 11:13 PM
Gimme Carpenter or Greenway over Lawson. They are FOOTBALL players, Lawson is an athlete.

InSabanWeTrust1
04-21-2006, 11:26 PM
wtf does that mean? lawson is sick. greenway scares me b/c hes similar to roth undersized and kind of look like theyll end up as average players. You want a beast who will be like a joey porter, terell suggs type player who strikes fear in the eyes of a qb, who rushes inside when taylor goes outside, who rushes from all different angles and combines with taylor to lead the afc in sacks, then you take manny lawson hands down. we have cover lb and crowder for run stopping. in the 3-4 u need that olb that will rush the qb like porter. thats lawson ;)

dlockz
04-22-2006, 03:00 AM
a 6'5" 241 lb guy running a 4.43 is very impresive.

Yea but shouldn't we be judging him more on his on field talent and potential than his track time.

Geforce
04-22-2006, 06:28 AM
wtf does that mean? lawson is sick. greenway scares me b/c hes similar to roth undersized and kind of look like theyll end up as average players. You want a beast who will be like a joey porter, terell suggs type player who strikes fear in the eyes of a qb, who rushes inside when taylor goes outside, who rushes from all different angles and combines with taylor to lead the afc in sacks, then you take manny lawson hands down. we have cover lb and crowder for run stopping. in the 3-4 u need that olb that will rush the qb like porter. thats lawson ;)
Greenway is definitely not undersized, unless you consider an OLB who weighs 245/247 undersized. Greenway has some of the best insticts of any player in this year draft.

Geforce
04-22-2006, 06:42 AM
Yea but shouldn't we be judging him more on his on field talent and potential than his track time.
I agree and his nearly 10 sacks and 18 tackles for losses shows that there is a lot of talent there.

I also like this about Manny.
“A guy I look up to, Jason Taylor, is about my size and height,” Lawson said.

Kdawg954
04-22-2006, 07:05 AM
do you think one could argue that Lawson is better than Williams? I think he is


Whoaaa, that just simply is not the case man. You have to look at it by position. At DE, Lawson just doesn't have the size to even justify that statement. DE is a much higher ranked position than LB on defense, I mean how many times on Sportscenter do u see JT, or Freeney or Abraham getting pressure and stripping the ball, DE is the biggest playmaking position on the Defense and based on Performance and measurables, Williams is the clear better choice. Lawson, like alot of people are saying, is getting way more hype for his combine than his play on the field. I know he had a good year at NC State and was a definite leader on that team, but he was at DE where his opposite End was getting triple teamed in some situations, freeing him up one on one. Lawson is a great football player, not just an athlete, but I do think he is overrated right now, he can be special tho just not NFL ready like Williams is.

NorFlaFin
04-22-2006, 07:05 AM
How about Andre Wadsworth from FSU? What has he done in the NFL? Boy, were people raving about him as an edge rusher before the draft.

Andre destroyed his kneecap and that injury effectively ended his career before it ever began.

Boomer
04-22-2006, 10:35 AM
That's a good comparison. Mamula shot up the draft boards after the combine and private workouts, not because of his college productivity.
How about Andre Wadsworth from FSU? What has he done in the NFL? Boy, were people raving about him as an edge rusher before the draft.


Actually Mike Mamula had a pretty damn good career at Boston College - 3.2 TFL PER GAME!! - and really was mis-cast in Philadelphia. He was really a 3-4 OLB and Ray Rhodes is as much at fault for his mediocre career as Mamula is.

As for Wadsworth, Andre's career was devastated by injuries, but as someone who watched almost every game of his rise from walk-on to #3 overall pick, I have no dubt how good he would have been.

randy9
04-22-2006, 11:17 AM
Mayock is talking out of his asss.
A-MEN BROTHER every time I hear Ma*ock speak it's like running your fingers on a chalk board. He needs to stay in Philly and to stay off the airwaves.

J Tes
04-22-2006, 12:29 PM
I believe Mayock said he was great at the combine and wasn't as impressive on film. He had him graded as a 3rd round pick, which I think is very low for Manny, but it does make you wonder about burning the 16th overall on him. I think I'd rather get him at value later in the 1st by dropping down.
But Mel Kiper thinks he's a 1st round pick. I'd listen to Kiper before Mayock. I have a question...who the hell was Mike Mayock before they started the NFL network? I'd bet 99.9% of you had never heard of him, but now we are basing our opinions on a player based on what he says? Doesnt make sense. Atleast Kiper, whether you agree with him or not, has been around long enough for all of us to have formed an opinion about him. So once again...who's Mike Mayock???

zodiak
04-22-2006, 09:55 PM
For the record I am intrigued with the idea of Lawson however I am nerveoaus as well considering he would be playing a new position.

Its my feeling Lawson may fall into the "3rd" round, once all the workout stuff is digested and grades are made based on watching film IMO teams will start to realistically rank players.

I feel Lawson looks alot like Jason Taylor however the difference was JT was always looked at as a 4-3 end... and yet was still drafted in the 3rd round.

I feel that because he will have to be considered a project at LB he will slide into the 3rd.

Lastly consider that their is easily 5 true LB's that have a 1st rnd grade so teams may look first to a "true" LB to fill their need before they reach for a project no matter how athletic he is.

Geforce
04-23-2006, 04:45 AM
For the record I am intrigued with the idea of Lawson however I am nerveoaus as well considering he would be playing a new position.

Its my feeling Lawson may fall into the "3rd" round, once all the workout stuff is digested and grades are made based on watching film IMO teams will start to realistically rank players.

I feel Lawson looks alot like Jason Taylor however the difference was JT was always looked at as a 4-3 end... and yet was still drafted in the 3rd round.

I feel that because he will have to be considered a project at LB he will slide into the 3rd.

Lastly consider that their is easily 5 true LB's that have a 1st rnd grade so teams may look first to a "true" LB to fill their need before they reach for a project no matter how athletic he is.
Lawson was a OLB before moving to DE permantely before his junior year. He was still called upon to drop into coverage in NC State's zone blitz packages. If you look at Lawson on film, he is at worse a second round pick.

Jason Taylor was considered a tweener coming out of Akron, not necessarily a football powerhouse, and many didn't know where he would play. Some thought he was too small to play DE (many still do) or not fast enough to play OLB in the NFL.

These days in the NFL, a tweener can be coveted because of their perceived versatility.

nick1
04-23-2006, 09:44 PM
in scouting reports I've noticed that alot of scouts think that being a tweener is a bad thing because they don't have a true position. but I think of it as a good thing. a tweener can play several different positions on the field which in D's today is a good thing

madmike
04-23-2006, 09:57 PM
how is a guy who posted 10.5 sacks and 20 tackles for loss last season a workout warrior? the definition of a workout warrior is a player who looks very well in workouts but in a game doesn't do much. when you look at what Lawson did you see that he made alot of plays, he's not a workout warrior! he also blocked 9 punts in his college careeri couldn't of said it better myself,your right on the money!!!! that maylock guy doesn't know squat!!!!!! if you look at the film this year of manny he did very very good and if sabab is looking for a guy tp play olb on the opposite side of taylor to complement the pass rush and sack the qb,lawson is it!!!! he will be much better than arrington. giants waaayyyy overpaid for him. i hope we get santonio holmes or manny lawson in the 1st.

finfan54
04-24-2006, 11:59 AM
There's a reason Manny Lawson was voted by his own teammates and coaches as the team MVP, not Mario Williams. He's a hard worker, he's smart, and honestly his workouts and tangibles make Mike Mamula look like Elvis Dumervil, IMO.

He doesn't take over games, but he's ALWAYS there. He's always in the QBs ear hole. Its like clockwork, he never disappears from games. I mean the guy had 10.5 sacks, 20 TFLs, 14 quarterback hurries, 4 passes defensed...he's blocked 9 kicks in his career at NC State.

Here's a fun fact. You know he's returned 5 punts for an average of 13 yards per return? Serious. He returned one for 7 yards in 2005, then for 15 yards in 2003, and 13, 13, and 17 yards in 2002.

I know I know, returns have nothing to do with being a defensive end. I just think that I've not seen a guy who plays so much like JT as this guy. His long arms (35.75" reach, same as D'Brickashaw Ferguson) keep his body away from the offensive tackle tryng to block him. He plays with good power (ask Marcus McNeil, who got bull rushed by Manny right into the QB at the Senior Bowl). And nobody can reproduce that speed rush around the edge. I've heard his spin move called pedestrian but when you're that fast, none of your moves are pedestrian. He's got Jason Taylor's spin move, not Dwight Freeney's whirling dervish.

I think the guy is going to be special wherever you play him because he's a smart player (scored a 28 on the wonderlic), he is a hard worker and a leader (see the Team MVP vote done by his own teammates and coaches), he's a physical freak in terms of speed and his ability to move, and at least in terms of hitting the weights, he's actually pretty strong...not overly strong, but plenty strong enough.

On that last note, Anthony Alabi has long arms like Manny except longer (36.75 inches) and he struggled on the 225 bench...only did 18 reps. But, he can reportedly max over 500 pounds. Why the disparity? Well, the long arms really sap your endurance on the bench, but not necessarily your maximum lift. Manny did 23 reps. Not fantastic, but certainly not bad, and actually quite good when you consider his 36 inch arms. Other guys in the draft with arms as long as many did around 27-28 reps, but they all outweighed Manny by near-100 pounds.

And what is remarkable to me is that he plays with power. He bull rushed the 340 pound McNeil right into the QB for a sack. He is easily able to use his upper body strength and long arms to keep the tackle off his body in the ground game, and this allows him to redirect after the ball carrier really well.

When you break down tape of Jason Taylor, you don't see some flashy spin move like Dwight Freeney. You don't see the bull rushing of Trace Armstrong. You don't see the club move of Reggie White or the rip move of Michael Strahan. You just see a guy who is tall, upright, extremely fast around the edge, strong enough to hold his arms out at the point of attack, has an endless motor, and otherwise just plain more athletic than everyone he faces. This is why he's able to string together any number of moves he wants even if he's not the expert in those maneuvers. He's always there. I don't know that you see a bunch of games where JT just takes over the whole thing (although he seems to consistently do so against the Broncos, strangely enough). He'll have his hat trick game every year, but otherwise he's just steady, always putting pressure on...never completely disappearing.


so my question then becomes character. How is his character? Is he the kind of guy who will be an overachiever and not let his head get big and all about money? When JT was drafted towards the end of the 3rd round by JJ, people took notice because they didnt want to take a risk on a small school guy who was a tweaner. I see Saban doing the same thing here but maybe with someone else who could be a tweaner as well who we can draft later anyways. long term character is what we need to draft at 16 regardless of position. That is why i am very skeptical of WR's. Because they are glory hounds who only like to recognize themselves.

Geforce
04-24-2006, 12:26 PM
so my question then becomes character. How is his character? Is he the kind of guy who will be an overachiever and not let his head get big and all about money? When JT was drafted towards the end of the 3rd round by JJ, people took notice because they didnt want to take a risk on a small school guy who was a tweaner. I see Saban doing the same thing here but maybe with someone else who could be a tweaner as well who we can draft later anyways. long term character is what we need to draft at 16 regardless of position. That is why i am very skeptical of WR's. Because they are glory hounds who only like to recognize themselves.

Here's an answer to a question he gave during an interview he did during the Combine.
Q: How do you feel about being compared to linebacker/defensive end tweeners like Willie McGinest?
Lawson: It's crazy because they've done things I have not yet done, so I don't know what to say.

The complete interview is here.
http://www.atlantafalcons.com/team/article.jsp?id=11113

BlueFin
04-24-2006, 12:33 PM
You will hear some well informed dissension from the VIP crowd....

Perhaps, but just because you pay money to this website to be a VIP doesn't make you more well informed.

AZfinfan
04-24-2006, 01:44 PM
I'll be honest I didn't watch Lawson at all this year. However, the thing that really scares me is hearing "draft experts" say that he doesn't have an every down motor.

Bowl_Bound
04-24-2006, 02:32 PM
Chad Greenway or Santanio Holmes at 16.
I think greenway is the ticket.

PhinsPhan
04-24-2006, 04:44 PM
PLEASE dont start this crap. I go on other message boards and there is one person in every post who says something along those lines or if someone asks a q they say "the answer is in the vip area". Soon we are going to start seeing breaking news as a thread title and the message will say "check the vip area for what it is". I absolutely hate when people shove this stuff into my face and I bet there are a ton of people who agree with me. I am in college and dont have the money to spend on vip message boards yet.

I really hope finheaven doesn't turn into this kind of forum.
couldnt have said it better myself.


On Lawson, I still think the guy had a productive college career so I don't see how he is labelled a workout warrior. What worries me is Mayock is a fairly good draft analyst and I respect his opinion

Geforce
04-24-2006, 06:52 PM
couldnt have said it better myself.


On Lawson, I still think the guy had a productive college career so I don't see how he is labelled a workout warrior. What worries me is Mayock is a fairly good draft analyst and I respect his opinion

I guess when you put up the kind of numbers Lawson put up at the Combine, someone is bound to label you a workout warrior. To some degree, I guess Lawson is. When was the last time a DE/OLB ran a 4.41/4.43 40, 4.18 short shuttle and a 7.90 in the three cone drill. Not to mention running on the 400 meter relay(I think he did it once) and long jumping in college.

PhinsTD
04-24-2006, 07:19 PM
With the way Saban has raved about Taylor's ability in his defense, I think the chance for him to grab another JT will prove to be too much to pass up for Saban and he'll be the guy if he's there.

We could ease him into the playing rotation, playing rush backer in the 3-4 alignment and rush end in the 4-3 and allow him time to work on his drops in coverage and reads at LB. He could also work with a guy very similar to him in JT to get better at everything he needs to work on.

Guys with his upside aren't available at 16 every year, and I go for the upside over the safe pick if I have the luxury most of the time. I think we have the luxury due to having most of our major holes filled via FA and having other OLB candidates in place if Lawson should prove to need some time to develop into a major role.