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Crowder52
04-25-2006, 12:02 AM
The more I look at this draft, the more I find myself liking Bobby Carpenter. He has great size at 6'3 and is over 250 lbs. Runs in the 4.6 range. He was utilized as Ohio State's primary coverage LB his junior season, but his senior year saw him playing in a 3 point stance on passing downs and rushing the passer in addition to coverage duties. He played some safety in high school so he has the background in the coverage area, and he gained blitzing experience last year while improving his pass-rush moves.

So he's a guy we could count on in coverage and also one who can put on a good pass rush. Certainly has the size to play LB in the 3-4. Also has the NFL pedigree as his father Rob played for the NY Giants. No character issues at all with this guy, he's been a first class player throughout his career.

I don't see Carpenter necessarily becoming the best at his position or having a HOF career. What I see in this guy is one of the safer picks in the mid to late first round. He's going to be a solid football player. I feel like we could put him at backer and he and Channing can form the core of the next generation of our D. In my opinion, he has little chance of being a bust. If you look back at the first round of any NFL Draft, you see many players who were way overrated when they came out and didn't produce in the league (see: plenty of the Dolphins picks in recent memory). I think Carpenter is somewhat underrated. He doesn't have one of those super-high ceilings on his ability but he is flat out going to contribute.

There are plenty of players who may represent more "value," but most if not all of those players have more question marks than Carpenter. It won't be a sexy pick, but a safe one at a position of need.

That being said, I do not think this is the direction we will go on draft day. This is just a plea from a fan. Let me know what you all think of him and if anyone agrees with me.

Miamifin23
04-25-2006, 12:28 AM
Carpenter could be a very good player. If it wasn't for Hawk being next to him he would have gotten a lot more attention. Good pick and wouldn't mind seeing it. Guy works hard.

Crowder52
04-25-2006, 10:39 AM
Carpenter could be a very good player. If it wasn't for Hawk being next to him he would have gotten a lot more attention. Good pick and wouldn't mind seeing it. Guy works hard.

Yea Hawk pretty much stole all of this guy's thunder. Not unlike what Greenway has done to Abdul Hodge, another backer I like.

Jimmy James
04-25-2006, 11:04 AM
It isn't just that Carpenter is the safe pick -- it's that he fits what Saban seems to want out of his strongside linebacker quite well. I know others disagree with me here, but I think Nick is looking for a guy who can cover and rush. Carpenter is that guy. He's made to order. That has to count for something.

Motion
04-25-2006, 11:27 AM
Yea Hawk pretty much stole all of this guy's thunder. Not unlike what Greenway has done to Abdul Hodge, another backer I like.

It isn't just that Carpenter is the safe pick -- it's that he fits what Saban seems to want out of his strongside linebacker quite well. I know others disagree with me here, but I think Nick is looking for a guy who can cover and rush. Carpenter is that guy. He's made to order. That has to count for something.

Couldn't agree more. Carpenter is definitely my top pick if we go OLB.

Geforce
04-25-2006, 11:34 AM
I think if we trade down, Carpenter would be a very good pick. Although he plays OLB now, some scouts have him projected to play ILB in the future. With that kind of versatility, he could team with Crowder to cause alot of confusion to offenses.
The only question I have about Carpenter is his leg. He broke it last year before the Fiesta Bowl and then pulled his hamstring which effected him in his latest workouts. If he can return to form, he could surprise a few people.

MiamiDolphins34
04-25-2006, 11:39 AM
If we were able to trade down and still draft Carpenter thatd be sweet

Motion
04-25-2006, 12:01 PM
If we were able to trade down and still draft Carpenter thatd be sweet

:yes:

Static387
04-25-2006, 01:21 PM
I don't see Carpenter necessarily becoming the best at his position or having a HOF career.

It won't be a sexy pick, but a safe one at a position of need.

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Could easily have a HOF career. He kept getting better and better at OSU.

I think the pick would be very sexy.

Shawn-l
04-25-2006, 01:51 PM
I like Carpenter but Greenway is better. If we're going to get a true OLB then I hope it's Greenway. If we trade down and pick up Carpenter, I don't have a problem with that but at 16 Carpenter is a reach.

SeahawkFinFan
04-25-2006, 02:08 PM
I like Carpenter but Greenway is better. If we're going to get a true OLB then I hope it's Greenway. If we trade down and pick up Carpenter, I don't have a problem with that but at 16 Carpenter is a reach.

I've never understood this kind of thinking, really. If he's the best fit for your system that's available when you pick, a guy you're confident in, go ahead and pick him. The idiot pundits can say he's a reach all they want, but who's gonna b***h when he's on the field making plays? Would you rather trade down and take him later if he might slip? Of course, but fans and pundits seem to think the team is getting ripped off if they take a guy 'too early' when the option was probably to take him there or not get him at all. In reality, they're getting a damn STEAL when they can trade down and still get their guy. That's a lucky thing, not an entitlement.

Winbaby#23
04-25-2006, 02:49 PM
I've never understood this kind of thinking, really. If he's the best fit for your system that's available when you pick, a guy you're confident in, go ahead and pick him. The idiot pundits can say he's a reach all they want, but who's gonna b***h when he's on the field making plays? Would you rather trade down and take him later if he might slip? Of course, but fans and pundits seem to think the team is getting ripped off if they take a guy 'too early' when the option was probably to take him there or not get him at all. In reality, they're getting a damn STEAL when they can trade down and still get their guy. That's a lucky thing, not an entitlement.I agree 100% with your assessment. I think Carpenter at #16 is not a reach.. especially when most people have him going at #20 0r #21 of the first round. 5 slots is a reach?? LMAO!! A guy who is slated to go in the 4th and taken in the second or first--NOW thats a reach!!:wink:

Shawn-l
04-25-2006, 03:34 PM
I've never understood this kind of thinking, really. If he's the best fit for your system that's available when you pick, a guy you're confident in, go ahead and pick him. The idiot pundits can say he's a reach all they want, but who's gonna b***h when he's on the field making plays? Would you rather trade down and take him later if he might slip? Of course, but fans and pundits seem to think the team is getting ripped off if they take a guy 'too early' when the option was probably to take him there or not get him at all. In reality, they're getting a damn STEAL when they can trade down and still get their guy. That's a lucky thing, not an entitlement.

Point being, there are better options than Bobby Carpenter at 16. That is what I mean by "reaching". Just because we have a shot at getting Nick Mangold at 16 we should pull the trigger?! Or would we rather take someone like Tye Hill or say Jay Cutler (if he dropped)? As Saban was saying in his PC, taking Best Player Available is not a mistake. Reaching for a need "is a mistake".

As I stated before, Chad Greenway is a better prospect. I've seen both players in action and honestly....Greenway is better.

Motion
04-25-2006, 03:36 PM
As I stated before, Chad Greenway is a better prospect. I've seen both players in action and honestly....Greenway is better.

All a matter of opinion.

Shawn-l
04-25-2006, 03:43 PM
All a matter of opinion.

I've watched them play here and there throughout the year, that's where my opinion comes from, but if you look around draft websites, you'll see it's the popular opinion as well.

Crowder52
04-25-2006, 03:54 PM
Could easily have a HOF career. He kept getting better and better at OSU.

I think the pick would be very sexy.

OK then, it's official. Bobby Carpenter is SEXY. Woo hoo.

Crowder52
04-25-2006, 03:57 PM
I've never understood this kind of thinking, really. If he's the best fit for your system that's available when you pick, a guy you're confident in, go ahead and pick him. The idiot pundits can say he's a reach all they want, but who's gonna b***h when he's on the field making plays? Would you rather trade down and take him later if he might slip? Of course, but fans and pundits seem to think the team is getting ripped off if they take a guy 'too early' when the option was probably to take him there or not get him at all. In reality, they're getting a damn STEAL when they can trade down and still get their guy. That's a lucky thing, not an entitlement.

Exactly right Seahawk. Remember last year when the hosts of the draft on ESPN blasted Seattle for taking Lofa Tatupu in the 2nd when many had him graded as a 3rd or 4th rounder? He went on the become the captain of a Super Bowl defense as a rookie. We pick in the 1st round at 16, and we have to take the guy we think will help our team the most. I don't care if some idiot has him going at #22 or #62 on his mock draft, that means nothing when these guys get on the field.

Crowder52
04-25-2006, 04:00 PM
I've watched them play here and there throughout the year, that's where my opinion comes from, but if you look around draft websites, you'll see it's the popular opinion as well.

Carpenter could very well be a better fit for our D. It doesn't matter where draft websites rank these guys, they aren't ranking them within a given system. The only rankings that matter are Saban's and Capers' in this case.

Motion
04-25-2006, 04:00 PM
I've watched them play here and there throughout the year, that's where my opinion comes from, but if you look around draft websites, you'll see it's the popular opinion as well.

I didn't say your opinion was wrong or question it! I simply made a statement. I happen to disagree and think Greenway is overrated but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Jimmy James
04-25-2006, 05:40 PM
Carpenter could very well be a better fit for our D. It doesn't matter where draft websites rank these guys, they aren't ranking them within a given system. The only rankings that matter are Saban's and Capers' in this case.

Yep.

Beyond the system issue is the issue of what is already present. It seems to me that the presence of Crowder in this defense undercuts many of the strengths of Greenway. If Miami had a pass rusher instead of Crowder, Greenway makes more sense. This isn't exactly like drafting for need, but it's similar. Drafting for need is about trying to avoid a one year hole to the detriment of the future. Drafting based on what you already have involves considering what you seem to have locked up for the next 3-5 years and drafting with that in mind.

miadfins
04-25-2006, 08:24 PM
i think most people would argee that carpenter is a very solid pick, i do think his rushing the qb ability is overblown. i think he has more upside then greenway and that greenway is the less "sexy" pick.

Crowder52
04-25-2006, 10:00 PM
i think most people would argee that carpenter is a very solid pick, i do think his rushing the qb ability is overblown. i think he has more upside then greenway and that greenway is the less "sexy" pick.

I greatly underestimated Carpenter's sexiness. I admit the mistake.

dominizzo
04-25-2006, 10:21 PM
I wouldn mind Bobby Carpenter hes similar to bryan cox i hear