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Pennington's Rocket Arm
04-28-2006, 08:10 PM
MARIO WILLIAMS.

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=2543&section=N%20Latest%20News

Shula Come Back!
04-28-2006, 08:13 PM
I just caught wind of this. How many teams are going to want to trade up to the #2 spot now?

tmny99
04-28-2006, 08:14 PM
Yeah I heard on ESPN that it will be Williams at #1. I think the Jets will trade up to get Bush at two.

dolphinsfan69
04-28-2006, 08:15 PM
Crazy.

Alex44
04-28-2006, 08:16 PM
Wow.....

DE in the first round usually are busts....not offense to the guys but I think that positon is one of the hardest to determine success at in the NFL, not to say he wont be great, but wow

elite14eva
04-28-2006, 08:17 PM
nfl network just said they signed him & plan to take him #1 overall wow.

tmny99
04-28-2006, 08:17 PM
There are a couple of threads about this in the draft forum.

playeragent26
04-28-2006, 08:18 PM
I am shocked of this news. Ijust saw it on NFL network. Whats this mean for the rest of the draft. Let the trading begin.

kpcane
04-28-2006, 08:18 PM
worst news in the world. I keep hoping it's not true.

Doakle
04-28-2006, 08:20 PM
Jets should be on the phone with NO right now. On the bright side, the Packers should also get involved, and possibly a few other teams, and if the Jets want to trade up it might take a lot.

Roman529
04-28-2006, 08:26 PM
The Saints would not let Bush slip past them if he is there at #2. Jets will end up with D'Brick.

Alex44
04-28-2006, 08:28 PM
Jets should be on the phone with NO right now. On the bright side, the Packers should also get involved, and possibly a few other teams, and if the Jets want to trade up it might take a lot.


Even if the Jets get him the will ruin this and possibly next years draft by overpaying with picks IMO

Shula Come Back!
04-28-2006, 08:33 PM
The Jets are gonna be happy as **** tomorrow if they are the ones to announce "Reggie Bush" right in New York tomorrow....The place is gonna go freakin' bananas!!!

Gardenhead
04-28-2006, 08:36 PM
Screw the jets. They could get Jesus on their team and they'd still suck.

thecoordinator
04-28-2006, 08:37 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2426003

thecoordinator
04-28-2006, 08:38 PM
just keepin the mods busy :)

MadLib
04-28-2006, 08:39 PM
Even if the Jets get him the will ruin this and possibly next years draft by overpaying with picks IMO

Not at all true. The Jets have 7 picks in the first 117, they will not have to sacrifice much if anything from next years draft to move up one spot.

miabrown23
04-28-2006, 08:41 PM
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2010/09/firstnew-1.gif (http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=5459) Breaking NEWS: Texans sign DE Mario Williams... (http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=5459) ‎(http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2010/09/multipage-1.gif 1 (http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=5459) 2 (http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=5459&page=2) 3 (http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=5459&page=3))

fearthefins
04-28-2006, 08:43 PM
Just saw that you beat me too it lol

MadLib
04-28-2006, 08:43 PM
The Saints would not let Bush slip past them if he is there at #2. Jets will end up with D'Brick.
Lets hope that is the case but it isnt likely. There is way more value in trading down two spots, gathering at least 3 more first day pics, and getting the player that best suits their team anyways....D'Brickashaw Fergueson. Im sorry to say but my nightmare is starting to look like a reality.

KillerPhinz9
04-28-2006, 08:44 PM
Mario Williams has reched an agreement with trhe Texans witch will make him the #1 pick in tomarrows draft!:eek:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2426003

tucker
04-28-2006, 08:45 PM
stupid texans..lol...you just dont pass up someone like bush...hell, i'd take furgason before williams

kpcane
04-28-2006, 08:45 PM
Lets hope that is the case but it isnt likely. There is way more value in trading down ONE spot, gathering at least 3 more first day pics, and getting the player that best suits their team anyways....D'Brickashaw Fergueson. Im sorry to say but my nightmare is starting to look like a reality.

This is a dream come true for the Saints. They need a big time player to get fans in the stands and keep the team in New Orleans. Reggie Bush may just save the city.

korl68
04-28-2006, 08:46 PM
Wow first big surprise!

wpgfishfan
04-28-2006, 08:47 PM
How lucky is Brees. He has always played with the best running back in the NFL and know he has a chance to play with someone better

FinFan72
04-28-2006, 08:47 PM
i just saw that but bro this is in the wrong forum

COMEBACKRICKY
04-28-2006, 08:47 PM
oh my god..... damn texans

T tes
04-28-2006, 08:47 PM
Then where will Bush go? I dont think the saints because they already have deuce. Maybe tennessee? Hopefully not Jets.

twohype
04-28-2006, 08:48 PM
stupid texans..lol...you just dont pass up someone like bush...hell, i'd take furgason before williams

Yep-:shakeno: - if they don't draft Bush they're nuts:sidelol:

sodenj5
04-28-2006, 08:48 PM
WOW. Talk about a mistake costing you millions. If I'm Bush, I'm smashing my head into a wall.

studsatele
04-28-2006, 08:48 PM
if this is true and this happens. what will this do to the draft? wow! what a shocker.

dreday
04-28-2006, 08:48 PM
Man...Thats why the Texans will STAY bad.Dont know how or who drew that conclusion but that wasnt smart.

tucker
04-28-2006, 08:50 PM
seriously...and teh texans wonder why they suck every year...this is a very stupid move imo..but bush also must feel like an idiot for wanting than he deserves..he just lost millions..lol

SabanDynasty
04-28-2006, 08:50 PM
it's all his fault he's not #1 . i dont blame the texans for passing on him cause of all the trouble goin on in the last week. at least for us dolfans he's not in the AFC.

MartinTheSNAKE
04-28-2006, 08:51 PM
Omg U See How Much Money He Will Make? Almost 10 Mil A Year?
Wtf

finfan75
04-28-2006, 08:51 PM
Does this mean NO picks Bush? Or do they stick with the Brick?

Wow this changes things a bit.

HysterikiLL
04-28-2006, 08:52 PM
I'm not happy at all. The Jets have the deniro to trade up. Not happy...not happy at all :'(

kpcane
04-28-2006, 08:53 PM
It wasn't a terrible move by the Texans. They already have a running back, wide receivers, and a punt returner. Williams or Ferguson made more sense...I just thought they'd trade the pick, and then draft one of those guys.

MadLib
04-28-2006, 08:53 PM
How many times did we hear...

"There's really no mystery here, Reggie Bush will be the #1 pick",
"it really isn't a question, the Texans will make Bush the #1 overall pick....".

So much for the Reggie Bush sweepstakes we followed all season. This really goes to show you that there is NEVER such a thing as a lock for the #1 pick.

MadLib
04-28-2006, 08:54 PM
it's all his fault he's not #1 . i dont blame the texans for passing on him cause of all the trouble goin on in the last week. at least for us dolfans he's not in the AFC.

whaaat? Im pretty confident the panic around here is because the chances of him going to the Jets via trade have risen through the roof.

HysterikiLL
04-28-2006, 08:54 PM
Man...Thats why the Texans will STAY bad.Dont know how or who drew that conclusion but that wasnt smart.


Mario Williams was the smart choice. Bush will sell tickets, but they have a solid RB. Also, look at how easy it is for RBs to have success in the NFL compared to DEs. Mario Williams comes along once in a lifetime. Bush comes along once in a lifetime, but has a lot of dudes who come along all the time that are servicable enough to justify this pick.

Kubiak and Casserly made a good decision.

kpcane
04-28-2006, 08:55 PM
How many times did we hear "There's really no mystery here, Reggie Bush will be the #1 pick", "it really isn't a question of if the Texans will make Bush the #1 overall pick....". So much for the Reggie Bush sweepstakes we followed all season. This really goes to show you that there is NEVER such a thing as a lock for the #1 pick.

Yeah I wish I had a dollar everytime I heard "the rest of the draft is up in the air, but Reggie Bush will definitely be the first one chosen". Reggie's an idiot for wanting so much money. He may do a Jared Weaver type slide...but he won't get past the Jets.

JoeRobStad4ever
04-28-2006, 08:56 PM
How many times did we hear "There's really no mystery here, Reggie Bush will be the #1 pick", "it really isn't a question of if the Texans will make Bush the #1 overall pick....". So much for the Reggie Bush sweepstakes we followed all season. This really goes to show you that there is NEVER such a thing as a lock for the #1 pick.

well said my friend. what's amazing is how mario williams went from being #4 on many mocks a month ago to #1 now...

ChambersWI
04-28-2006, 08:56 PM
Then where will Bush go? I dont think the saints because they already have deuce. Maybe tennessee? Hopefully not Jets.

The Jets, Packers, and Broncos are all going to try and trade up now.

PhinstiGator
04-28-2006, 08:56 PM
I'm just glad that the Jets won't be getting such a dominating player as Mario Williams.

808dolfan
04-28-2006, 08:57 PM
According to ESPN, the Texans have decided to select Mario first overall!

I wish we had the 2nd pick this year!!! I love Ronnie Brown, but Reggie Bush may be a once in a decade kind of player!

Even with Deuce, how can the Saints pass on this? . . . or at least trade the pick for more help! . . . but come on, Deuce w/Reggie?! Dangerous!!!

MadLib
04-28-2006, 08:58 PM
Yeah I wish I had a dollar everytime I heard "the rest of the draft is up in the air, but Reggie Bush will definitely be the first one chosen". Reggie's an idiot for wanting so much money. He may do a Jared Weaver type slide...but he won't get past the Jets.

I really doubt there will be anymore sliding but after seeing this you never know. The most likely scenario is the Saints will find a trade partner that will jump at the chance to get Bush with the #2 pick. And as much as we would like to deny it, the Jets have the most firepower to do so. Another thing that makes it so intriguing for a top 5 team to trade for Bush is that they have the chance to sign him as the #2 pick in the draft. There is a pretty significant drop off in Salaries from 1-2 and thats going to make him more of a commodity.

tmny99
04-28-2006, 08:58 PM
Merge!

808dolfan
04-28-2006, 08:59 PM
Oh yeah . . . I even HATE USC, but I gotta admit Reggie is a PLAYAH!!!

dm416
04-28-2006, 09:00 PM
The Texans are the new Jets

JoeRobStad4ever
04-28-2006, 09:00 PM
Mario Williams was the smart choice. Bush will sell tickets, but they have a solid RB. Also, look at how easy it is for RBs to have success in the NFL compared to DEs. Mario Williams comes along once in a lifetime. Bush comes along once in a lifetime, but has a lot of dudes who come along all the time that are servicable enough to justify this pick.

Kubiak and Casserly made a good decision.

For real??? Is this guy that good? Is he better than Freeney or Peppers coming out of college? I thought bush was the one people were saying was once in a lifetime, ala Mike Vick. I mean he's being compared to Gale Sayers...someone fill me in here on Williams.

dreday
04-28-2006, 09:00 PM
Omg U See How Much Money He Will Make? Almost 10 Mil A Year?
Wtf
6year 54million..Anybody know how many DE's have made this coming out of college??Thats just.Stupid:eek:

kpcane
04-28-2006, 09:01 PM
Madlib - I also heard last week that even if Mario signed #1, that Reggie would still want #1 money. They said Ronnie Brown did a bad deal with us, and Reggie definitely wouldn't.

stroodlemaster
04-28-2006, 09:01 PM
thats crazy....there is going to be a lot of wheeling and dealing tommorrow for Bush ...

Joneal7
04-28-2006, 09:02 PM
wow

DeathStar
04-28-2006, 09:02 PM
whaaat? Im pretty confident the panic around here is because the chances of him going to the Jets via trade have risen through the roof.

yeah that.

i see a trade with NO and Jets occuring.

**** this is horrible news.

Dolfan11
04-28-2006, 09:07 PM
Crazy!@!#!@#!@#!@# Lets see what happens now! The Jets won't get Reggie Bush. (Drumroll please) 49ers will move up and grab him.

Jaj
04-28-2006, 09:08 PM
Crazy!@!#!@#!@#!@# Lets see what happens now! The Jets won't get Reggie Bush. (Drumroll please) 49ers will move up and grab him.

I actually hope the Jets pay UP THE *** to get him. Like flat out put their draft to get him.

RHoffman
04-28-2006, 09:14 PM
I don't want Bush to be a Jet either...but I don't think he will be.

finsrule84
04-28-2006, 09:15 PM
at least we can all agree on that Texans fans just got massively pwned (actually, there is a more appropiate term for this but i don't think it would be allowed on this site)

dolfreak
04-28-2006, 09:18 PM
Just saw it on NFL network, the Texans will take Mario Williams with the #1 Pick

LINK:http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2426003

screamer
04-28-2006, 09:19 PM
wow! talk about shaking things up!

Roman529
04-28-2006, 09:21 PM
ooooooooooooooooo really????????????

dolfreak
04-28-2006, 09:23 PM
Just saw it on NFL network, the Texans will take Mario Williams with the #1 Pick

LINK:http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2426003

Finfan8
04-28-2006, 09:28 PM
The NFL (http://www.kffl.com/team/77/nfl) Network reports the Houston Texans (http://www.kffl.com/team/18/nfl) have reached a contract agreement with North Carolina State DE Mario Williams (http://www.kffl.com/player/13443/nfl). He is now expected to be the first pick in the NFL Draft (http://www.kffl.com/link/159).

This is NOT good for us, if he falls to 4 you know the jets might take him:tantrum:

phinfanNY08
04-28-2006, 09:28 PM
now that it is official, what does this do to the thinking of that #16 pick? Hang on to it or trade down? and do we go offense or defense, im lost now with what is going on with this draft

Bjorn
04-28-2006, 09:28 PM
You had to make 2 threads about this when it has already been merged about 10 times.:shakeno:

Troysif
04-28-2006, 09:31 PM
ill let you know tommorrow how it goes

I GOT GAME
04-28-2006, 09:31 PM
How do you pass on Reggie Bush them fans must be sick right now.

Roman529
04-28-2006, 09:31 PM
Mario Williams going #1 has ABSOLUTELY ZERO affect on who we pick at #16.

matty3054
04-28-2006, 09:32 PM
true

Troysif
04-28-2006, 09:32 PM
oh well

s3an8
04-28-2006, 09:32 PM
draft forum.....but yea they threw away there season to pass on the guy everyone was tryin to get....

Finfan8
04-28-2006, 09:33 PM
playing him every year will be bad

Roman529
04-28-2006, 09:33 PM
I wish I had a dollar for every thread that says Mario Williams was just signed as the #1 pick.

Finfan8
04-28-2006, 09:34 PM
now the saints might trade out of their pick. they wanted mario williams

Joneal7
04-28-2006, 09:34 PM
my friend says that there forums is blowing up with "Why Williams" stuff

Finfan8
04-28-2006, 09:35 PM
go to espn it says it in the corner. there going crazy

TotoreMexico
04-28-2006, 09:36 PM
Merge! there's like 20 other threads about it

campeonaso
04-28-2006, 09:36 PM
lol.and the funny part is that they have a good rb a great pr and kr, so thats kind of understandable(not really) ,so if your are going to pass reggie bush is because your ol is the worst in the league history and you need ferguson ,but noooooooooo,they rather select a de

Finfan8
04-28-2006, 09:36 PM
now do you think this will affect us

unifiedtheory
04-28-2006, 09:37 PM
I said it another thread and I'll say it until I'm blue in the face...

I take a franchise defensive lineman over ANY position accept quarterback or left tackle.

Williams could turn into Reggie White and Bush could turn into Eric Metcalf....

If I was a Texans fan I'd be pretty happy today. They probably got Williams for less money and they could end up with the better player who could dominate for the next 10+ years.

Pennington's Rocket Arm
04-28-2006, 09:37 PM
their line will be better under kubiak. they need a DE badly. good pick.

unifiedtheory
04-28-2006, 09:38 PM
Let the Jets take him...I'd rather them take Bush then Leinart.

Bush will not be able to out run the entire league at this level.

Finfan8
04-28-2006, 09:39 PM
they say the packers and the raiders are talking to the saints about trade right now

Roman529
04-28-2006, 09:40 PM
Let the Jets take him...I'd rather them take Bush then Leinart.

Bush will not be able to out run the entire league at this level.

Bush is gonna run behind a really crappy line in New York...maybe it would be for the best. :D

NickJr.
04-28-2006, 09:42 PM
I'm really not too surprised, but I alays thought Bush was overrated. He's a nice player but you have to look at what Houston has. The don't have much, but Bush wasn't the right fit.
1. Reggie can run, but only 10-15 carries per game b/c he's too light. Not to mention they have a nice young back in Davis (A Saban guy)
2. Reggie can catch but they have Johnson and Moulds and D. Davis had the 2nd most rec. of any RB last year.
3. Reggie is a great return man, but last year they drafted Mathis and he's a rookie pro-bowler!

So, when you look at it, drafting Bush would only improve areas that they are solid(which isn't too many). Super Mario can change the entire look of a defense. They had to take need as part of the consideration.

Roman529
04-28-2006, 09:43 PM
I could swear Sean Salisbury Steak, Merrill Hoge and Mel Kiper all said there is no way that the Texans pass on Bush....shows what these dummies know. :lol:

SpencerFS
04-28-2006, 09:43 PM
i really think that mario at de will fill a much bigger hole

unifiedtheory
04-28-2006, 09:43 PM
I'm really not too surprised, but I alays thought Bush was overrated. He's a nice player but you have to look at what Houston has. The don't have much, but Bush wasn't the right fit.
1. Reggie can run, but only 10-15 carries per game b/c he's too light. Not to mention they have a nice young back in Davis (A Saban guy)
2. Reggie can catch but they have Johnson and Moulds and D. Davis had the 2nd most rec. of any RB last year.
3. Reggie is a great return man, but last year they drafted Mathis and he's a rookie pro-bowler!

So, when you look at it, drafting Bush would only improve areas that they are solid(which isn't too many). Super Mario can change the entire look of a defense. They had to take need as part of the consideration.

Quit making sense...it has no place amongst the "the Texans are out of their minds" jibberish...

SkapePhin
04-28-2006, 09:45 PM
IF THE JETS GET BUSH!??!?! AHHHHHHHHHH!!! Stupid Texans!

Finfan8
04-28-2006, 09:47 PM
I dont know but in 2-3 years he might be trouble

Finfan8
04-28-2006, 09:48 PM
They say that the packers are trying to trade up and get him. I don't know why because they have ahman green and samkon gado.

SpencerFS
04-28-2006, 09:51 PM
it doesnt matter who the jets draft there still gonna be a horrible team no matter what they have nobody good on that team

NickJr.
04-28-2006, 09:54 PM
Quit making sense...it has no place amongst the "the Texans are out of their minds" jibberish...

lol :sidelol: thanks. Let's try this instead...

Move the dolphins to canada so we can get ricky back!!!!

Finfan8
04-28-2006, 09:55 PM
they gave mario a 7 year 59 million dollar contract with roughly 30 mill guarunteed!!!

jonkruse
04-28-2006, 09:56 PM
With reports that Mario Williams and the Texans apparently coming to a contractual agreement to be the #1 overall pick, how do we view this could affect the draft, more importantly, how is it going to affect the dolphins draft if at all? Curious as to everyones opinion..

Finfan8
04-28-2006, 09:57 PM
sorry 6 year 54 mill

schisno
04-28-2006, 09:59 PM
They say that the packers are trying to trade up and get him. I don't know why because they have ahman green and samkon gado.

Ahman Green is getting up there and his production has been falling for the last few seasons and Gado, he just had one good season so far. Look at how many backs they had to go through, you can't blame them for wanting the best Back in the draft.

And the Raiders have Lamont Jordan, they just never used him right under Turner last year, but you would expect somene like the 49ers who have a need for a real #1 Back to try and land the 2nd pick for Bush.

If the Saints don't trade down, and take D'Brickshaw or AJ Hawk then I think the Titans will grab Bush and go for a QB in the second or third round. Because Chris Brown has problems with injuries and if you've seen Travis Henry lately you know he isn't the answer.

HysterikiLL
04-28-2006, 10:00 PM
Don't think it will affect us at all, except if the Jets are trading up, we have a less likely chance of trading down with them.

Finfan8
04-28-2006, 10:01 PM
i just think that the packers have different needs

HysterikiLL
04-28-2006, 10:01 PM
Dominack Davis is a happy man.

Amars
04-28-2006, 10:03 PM
just on nfl network right now.

26 mil guaranteed

jonkruse
04-28-2006, 10:06 PM
I can't help but think that this causes some kind of mix up down in the Top 10..I have a feeling maybe a big name MIGHT fall to us. I say that in faith..

dm416
04-28-2006, 10:06 PM
merge

jonkruse
04-28-2006, 10:08 PM
I think it was the right pick..although i'm saying that as a Dolphins fan..as a Texans fan, i'd be confused.

jlfin
04-28-2006, 10:09 PM
just on nfl network right now.

26 mil guaranteed

I think it's a good move. Everyone keeps calling Bush a once in a decade player. I would argue that a D-lineman with Mario Williams' ability is also.
You build playoff teams through defense. The Texans have some good young skill position players and while Bush may have made them better he wouldn't be as much a difference maker as a dominant D-end who can disrupt an opponent's offense.
In addition, I'm glad the Texans didn't allow themselves to be held hostage by Bush's agent.

jonkruse
04-28-2006, 10:11 PM
wonder if Bush will fall to the three or four spot or if somebody will trade up..should be an interesting draft tomorrow

gator_sensation
04-28-2006, 10:14 PM
i just think that the packers have different needs

Like a WR or great TE since both of their starting WRs want to leave the team.

jlfin
04-28-2006, 10:14 PM
I said it another thread and I'll say it until I'm blue in the face...

I take a franchise defensive lineman over ANY position accept quarterback or left tackle.

Williams could turn into Reggie White and Bush could turn into Eric Metcalf....

If I was a Texans fan I'd be pretty happy today. They probably got Williams for less money and they could end up with the better player who could dominate for the next 10+ years.

Finally, a knowlegeable football fan.
Even if Bush is as great as everyone says he is, he isn't physically dominant enough (like Jim Brown) to carry an offense. Gale Sayers, OJ Simpson and Barry Sanders couldn't do it. They just filled seats.
The Steelers won a SB with an aging back and a decent back.
You build your team with defense, starting with the D-line.

jlfin
04-28-2006, 10:16 PM
playing him every year will be bad

I'm not worried. A good defense will gameplan to take him out of the game. Heck, Michael Huff did a pretty good job on him in coverage.

Dolfan73
04-28-2006, 10:16 PM
I can't believe they signed this guy instead of bush. They'll regret this move for a long long time. Wow, I'm just amazed at this. Anybody agree with Houston on this move? I know I sure as hell don't. Idiotic.

gator_sensation
04-28-2006, 10:17 PM
I'm really not too surprised, but I alays thought Bush was overrated. He's a nice player but you have to look at what Houston has. The don't have much, but Bush wasn't the right fit.
1. Reggie can run, but only 10-15 carries per game b/c he's too light. Not to mention they have a nice young back in Davis (A Saban guy)
2. Reggie can catch but they have Johnson and Moulds and D. Davis had the 2nd most rec. of any RB last year.
3. Reggie is a great return man, but last year they drafted Mathis and he's a rookie pro-bowler!

So, when you look at it, drafting Bush would only improve areas that they are solid(which isn't too many). Super Mario can change the entire look of a defense. They had to take need as part of the consideration.

Great insight and logic. I don't understand how teams can rank him so high being that as of right now, can't carry the ball more than 15 times a game.

jlfin
04-28-2006, 10:19 PM
I can't believe they signed this guy instead of bush. They'll regret this move for a long long time. Wow, I'm just amazed at this. Anybody agree with Houston on this move? I know I sure as hell don't. Idiotic.

Wait and see. Bush would have been the "sexy pick", but not the fundamentally sound one.
I don't know why you are amazed, a dominant D-end can really disrupt an offense. Remember Bruce Smith and Reggie White?

Mr.305
04-28-2006, 10:25 PM
Huge mistake for texans!!!

DolFan707
04-28-2006, 10:25 PM
The Houston Texans will select DE Mario Williams on April 29th during the NFL Draft. The Texans have the first pick and they will pick Williams. This will make NFL fans shocked that the Texans did not select RB Reggie Bush. Bush might posssibly go to New Orleans, Tennessee, or the New York Football Jets... little joke (New York football Giants) http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/HOU/9404220

FinFan72
04-28-2006, 10:28 PM
How do you pass on Reggie Bush them fans must be sick right now.
i know i would be

jguig
04-28-2006, 10:29 PM
Screw the jets. They could get Jesus on their team and they'd still suck.

This is the most eloquent post I have ever seen in all of Finheaven. So utterly true!

Untouchable
04-28-2006, 10:30 PM
the saints would be crazy not to take bush. deuce is coming off a bad injury and N.O. really dont have any young playmakers on offense. plus, bush can save the franchise from moving to wherever they want to move.

nick1
04-28-2006, 10:31 PM
good choice by the Texans, they automatically impove their D. Williams is going to be the best DE in the NFL. they didn't really need a RB so I think it's a good move by them. now I see the Jets trading up to #2 and drafting Bush. than Leinart going to the Titans and Ferguson going to NO at #4

Dors156
04-28-2006, 10:34 PM
are you joking me:eek: great now we will have to deal with bush for a good ten years because you know the jets are going to jump all over this

Untouchable
04-28-2006, 10:35 PM
good choice by the Texans, they automatically impove their D. Williams is going to be the best DE in the NFL. they didn't really need a RB so I think it's a good move by them. now I see the Jets trading up to #2 and drafting Bush. than Leinart going to the Titans and Ferguson going to NO at #4

this really puts N.O. in an enviable position: choosing between a gamebreaking rb and an o-line anchor for the next ten years.

Untouchable
04-28-2006, 10:37 PM
are you joking me:eek: great now we will have to deal with bush for a good ten years because you know the jets are going to jump all over this

i cant wait to see all the idiot jets fans boo the hell out of reggie bush when tags announces the pick.

jonkruse
04-28-2006, 10:38 PM
now, IF the Jets were to actually trade and select Bush..think New York fans would still Boo their draft selection? :D hey..don't doubt it..they ARE Jets fans

jonkruse
04-28-2006, 10:39 PM
i cant wait to see all the idiot jets fans boo the hell out of reggie bush when tags announces the pick.

Damnit! You beat me to it!!

Pennington's Rocket Arm
04-28-2006, 10:47 PM
the jets fans would cheer like never before.

hestar
04-28-2006, 10:49 PM
I don't think NO will pass up on Bush unless some teams give them the cows and the farm.Bush would help out brees alot and make the passing game easier for him..Just my opinion.I rather they get him than the jets..

Untouchable
04-28-2006, 10:59 PM
bush is probably more dangerous catching the ball, either out of the backfield or lined up wide. he'd take a huge load off of pennington's or ramsey's shoulders

raucker
04-28-2006, 11:27 PM
How about New Orleans trades the 2nd pick to Green Bay for the 5th pick and Javon Walker? Would that be a realistic trade?

djfresh47
04-28-2006, 11:28 PM
The Texans once again show why they are the laughing stock of the NFL. Mario Williams may turn out to be great but he better turn out to be Bruce Smith or Reggie White if they're taking him 1st overall. I don't think defensive end is much of a difference maker when it comes down to wins and loses. Atleast the Texans have assured themselves that they'll be competing for Quinn next year.

Mr.Majestik
04-28-2006, 11:43 PM
Where does this hyperbole about Reggie Bush being a "once in a decade", or worse still "once in a lifetime" player, come from? The guy carried the ball more than twenty times only twice in his career at USC. If he is a once in a decade type of player, what was Willis McGahee before he injured his knee in the Fiesta Bowl? Once in a century? The ugly truth is that as a prospect, Bush isn't appreciably better then at least a half dozen guys in the last five-years. He certainly isn't a Tomlinson-type. Tomlinson is thick, with a low center of gravity, with that Barry Sanders-style of pinball running, bouncing off of defenders. Reggie Bush is a long-strider. He's lanky, with no body mass to speak of. He's like Robert Smith coming out of Ohio State, without Robert Smith's bona fides as a between-the-tackles runner. Mario Williams on the other hand is a freakish specimen at the most difficult position to fill (there are more franchise quarterbacks in the NFL then franchise DEs.) He's big, at a position where the outstanding rush ends are typically smaller. Few people remember that in so many of Reggie Bush's big games, his performance was one, or two long runs, often punctuated by a heavy dose of LenDale White up the middle. When Reggie Bush had 10-ypc in the defense deficient Pac-10, White would often have 7.5 ypc, and the touchdowns. I wouldn't be surprised if a guy like LenDale White ends up with the Steelers and he has a much better career then Bush.

Jammer13
04-28-2006, 11:44 PM
I'm surprised everyone is so upset. So what if Bush goes to the jests, did everyone forget who there oline coach is......Tony Wise!!! I actually think there line will be worse then the Texans and that is saying alot. Just chill. The jests will get schooled like they always do.

PhinFan0202
04-29-2006, 12:20 AM
stupid texans..lol...you just dont pass up someone like bush...hell, i'd take furgason before williams

The Texans are ******ed! If bush turns out to be the next Marshall Faulk than they just screwed themselves royally.

unifiedtheory
04-29-2006, 12:40 AM
The Texans are ******ed! If bush turns out to be the next Marshall Faulk than they just screwed themselves royally.

Unless Williams turns into the next Reggie White...in that case I take Williams everyday of the week and twice on Sundays.

Mr.Majestik
04-29-2006, 12:43 AM
The Texans are ******ed! If bush turns out to be the next Marshall Faulk than they just screwed themselves royally.
And if Mario Williams is the next Bruce Smith, and Bush the next Eric Metcalf, or if he's very fortunate, the next Joe Washington? I'll ask this question again. What makes Reggie Bush worthy of the superlatives he's been lavished with? He was almost like a change-of-pace guy at USC. LenDale White did the heavy lifting, Bush got flaired off to the side and used his superior speed to beat defenders to the edge, something he will not be able to make a living at in the NFL. Reggie Bush was never, ever asked to be "the man" at USC, Pete Carroll never said you're getting the ball 25-times because this team needs you to carry them on your back. Can he run between the tackles? Can he carry the ball 20-25 times a game? Can he block? Can he be productive on a team without a superior supporting cast? There is no answer to any one of these questions because he's never been tested. How in the world can anyone say this guy is a sure-fire superstar when his game at the college level was essentially running to the edge on every play, or catching balls out of the slot?

FansinceJan'72
04-29-2006, 12:48 AM
Houston should've traded out of the pick for whatever they could get, the idiots. I hope the Jets mortgage the farm for Bush. That would be hilarious.

Agent51
04-29-2006, 12:51 AM
are you joking me:eek: great now we will have to deal with bush for a good ten years because you know the jets are going to jump all over this

It's not that big of a deal. I called awhile ago, as did a few others here, that they won't take Bush (check the thread UF KAT started, I think it was called "will the texans draft bush?"). I will admit though that I didn't think they would stay in the #1 spot and draft Williams, I thought they'd trade down to grab him.

Anyway, back to my point, if the jets take Reggie it's not THAT big of a deal.

One, he isn't going to be an everydown back, he touched the ball like 20 times a game at USC, passes included, so how is he going to switch to an every-down all-purpose back and be super effective? I don't see him smashing through NFL defensive lines anytime soon (he didn't even smash through lines in college). He can't handle an NFL workload, he isn't big enough.

Two, he ISN'T unstoppable, just watch the Rose Bowl again if you don't believe me. My Longhorns rendered him inneffective. If that defense can shut him down than NFL defenses can. LenDale White was the one the Longhorns' defense struggled with, Reggie was pretty much useless in that game.

That being said, we may have something to worry about on returns. He was more dangerous on punt returns than kick returns so we just have to make sure that our offense limits the punts in our two games against the Jets (or whomever should take Reggie) :lol:.

Don't worry guys, we'll be fine. Plus, this just made tomorrow THAT much more interesting.

Roman529
04-29-2006, 12:51 AM
Houston should've traded out of the pick for whatever they could get, the idiots. I hope the Jets mortgage the farm for Bush. That would be hilarious.

It will be funny seeing Bush trying to run behind the Jet's O-line if they do take him...no Kevin Mawae. :D

djfresh47
04-29-2006, 01:12 AM
Where does this hyperbole about Reggie Bush being a "once in a decade", or worse still "once in a lifetime" player, come from? The guy carried the ball more than twenty times only twice in his career at USC. If he is a once in a decade type of player, what was Willis McGahee before he injured his knee in the Fiesta Bowl? Once in a century? The ugly truth is that as a prospect, Bush isn't appreciably better then at least a half dozen guys in the last five-years. He certainly isn't a Tomlinson-type. Tomlinson is thick, with a low center of gravity, with that Barry Sanders-style of pinball running, bouncing off of defenders. Reggie Bush is a long-strider. He's lanky, with no body mass to speak of. He's like Robert Smith coming out of Ohio State, without Robert Smith's bona fides as a between-the-tackles runner. Mario Williams on the other hand is a freakish specimen at the most difficult position to fill (there are more franchise quarterbacks in the NFL then franchise DEs.) He's big, at a position where the outstanding rush ends are typically smaller. Few people remember that in so many of Reggie Bush's big games, his performance was one, or two long runs, often punctuated by a heavy dose of LenDale White up the middle. When Reggie Bush had 10-ypc in the defense deficient Pac-10, White would often have 7.5 ypc, and the touchdowns. I wouldn't be surprised if a guy like LenDale White ends up with the Steelers and he has a much better career then Bush.

Franchise defensive ends don't make that big of a difference. Jason Taylor is a franchise defensive end and two years ago it didn't matter how good he was. Mario Williams took off alot of plays at N.C. State and with two other defensive linemen from that team being first day picks whose to say he didn't benefit from having good talent around him? I see no reason for the Texans to take Williams, Feguson, Leinart, Young, Bush, are all better picks and would fill a more glaring need. Charlie Casserly maybe a "lame duck" GM and he's gonna leave a lasting impact on that franchise because Williams is not the right guy to pick.

PhinFan0202
04-29-2006, 01:21 AM
And if Mario Williams is the next Bruce Smith, and Bush the next Eric Metcalf, or if he's very fortunate, the next Joe Washington? I'll ask this question again. What makes Reggie Bush worthy of the superlatives he's been lavished with? He was almost like a change-of-pace guy at USC. LenDale White did the heavy lifting, Bush got flaired off to the side and used his superior speed to beat defenders to the edge, something he will not be able to make a living at in the NFL. Reggie Bush was never, ever asked to be "the man" at USC, Pete Carroll never said you're getting the ball 25-times because this team needs you to carry them on your back. Can he run between the tackles? Can he carry the ball 20-25 times a game? Can he block? Can he be productive on a team without a superior supporting cast? There is no answer to any one of these questions because he's never been tested. How in the world can anyone say this guy is a sure-fire superstar when his game at the college level was essentially running to the edge on every play, or catching balls out of the slot?

That's if he turns into the next Bruce Smith or Reggie White. How often is a DE taken #1 overall and does well? Courtney Brown anyone? Mario Williams didn't play the type of competition that Bush played against. You could definately make a case that Reggie Bush brought that team back in so many games. The Fresno State game comes to mind when he owned that defense all day long. I'm not saying that Mario Williams is going to stink but at the same time Reggie Bush is going to cause problems for any defense. He's going to open up plays for the other receivers to run wide open. He's got the speed to break into the secondary at any given time.

PhinFan0202
04-29-2006, 01:22 AM
Unless Williams turns into the next Reggie White...in that case I take Williams everyday of the week and twice on Sundays.

Yeah i agree with that.

Motion
04-29-2006, 01:27 AM
Been saying that they wouldn't take Bush 1st for months. Although I guess my bold prediction was only half right since I thought they'd take Brick. :)

Agent51
04-29-2006, 01:32 AM
Been saying that they wouldn't take Bush 1st for months. Although I guess my bold prediction was only half right since I thought they'd take Brick. :)

I thought they'd trade DOWN for Brick for the longest time, then with all the talk about their interest in Williams lately I thought they'd trade down and take Williams, so do I get like a 66%, since I got 2/3rds of my prediction right? :D

maddendude
04-29-2006, 01:41 AM
Dumbest move ive ever seen. See: Michael Irvins interview, lol.

I bet david carr is sitting in his bathtub with a toaster raised up in one hand.

Marino13fanboy1
04-29-2006, 06:07 AM
Bad move for the Texans. If they didn't want Bush, they should have traded down for WHATEVER.

Texans added Moulds and Putzier already and could have added Bush to what could have been one of THE most exciting offenses in the NFL with Kubiak running the show.

Even if Mario is pretty good, this is still a wasted pick at #1 overall.

What could have been:

Carr, D.Davis, Bush, Moulds, A.Johnson, Putzier, Bruenner = PRETTY GOOD!

RothaMonster
04-29-2006, 07:46 AM
were screwed w/ now jets being able to get reggie bush maybe. but what a surprise would be if saints took bush. double threat w/ mccalister and bush? scary.

like2god
04-29-2006, 08:01 AM
It will be funny seeing Bush trying to run behind the Jet's O-line if they do take him...no Kevin Mawae. :D
He will be running behind the online....just in the wrong direction. Imagine the look on his face when the ball is snapped and JT, Zach and the rest of Miami's defense gets to him before the ball does :lol: . Of course Chad Pennington might fumble beforehand so all he has to do is worry about jumping on the loose ball.

like2god
04-29-2006, 08:07 AM
were screwed w/ now jets being able to get reggie bush maybe. but what a surprise would be if saints took bush. double threat w/ mccalister and bush? scary.
No way the Saints take Bush IMHO. They already have Duece and he isn't going anywhere. I also don't think Bush will fall to the JETS. He has too much value to just let him fall. The Saints screwed up and picked the wrong QB and could screw this up too, but I just can't see them letting Bush slip by without getting some other team (NYJ, SF, Raiders) to panic and give up multiple picks.

Agent51
04-29-2006, 09:18 AM
Dumbest move ive ever seen. See: Michael Irvins interview, lol.

I bet david carr is sitting in his bathtub with a toaster raised up in one hand.

Yea, Irvin was PISSED, :lol:


were screwed w/ now jets being able to get reggie bush maybe. but what a surprise would be if saints took bush. double threat w/ mccalister and bush? scary.

Again, we are not "screwed" if the Jets take him, he isn't superhuman like people make him out to be, he CAN be stopped (see; ROSE BOWL). It is a much faster game in the NFL, and the players are much bigger, and they are ALL pro defenses, not just SOME pro-caliber players like he faces in college. Plus, he won't be pounding up the middle on third downs and short yardage situations, so what's everyone so afraid of? Punt returns? Hell, just make sure Daunte and the boys don't egt too many 4th downs when we play the Jets and we're golden. I think Reggie will be good in the NFL, but not so good we have to automaticall assume that's two losses for us if he goes to the Jets. I actually WANT him to go to the Jets, I'd love for my Dolphins to shut him down two times a year like my Longhorns did in the Rose Bowl. I have ALWAYS said LenDale White was the better PURE RUNNER of the two, while Reggie is the better all-around guy, and that was shown in the Rose Bowl when Texas completely took Bush out of the game yet LenDale was still giving them some trouble.

PLEASE NYJ, take Reggie.

I GOT GAME
04-29-2006, 09:20 AM
I hate the jets and all there alcoholic fans

unifiedtheory
04-29-2006, 09:23 AM
And if Mario Williams is the next Bruce Smith, and Bush the next Eric Metcalf, or if he's very fortunate, the next Joe Washington? I'll ask this question again. What makes Reggie Bush worthy of the superlatives he's been lavished with? He was almost like a change-of-pace guy at USC. LenDale White did the heavy lifting, Bush got flaired off to the side and used his superior speed to beat defenders to the edge, something he will not be able to make a living at in the NFL. Reggie Bush was never, ever asked to be "the man" at USC, Pete Carroll never said you're getting the ball 25-times because this team needs you to carry them on your back. Can he run between the tackles? Can he carry the ball 20-25 times a game? Can he block? Can he be productive on a team without a superior supporting cast? There is no answer to any one of these questions because he's never been tested. How in the world can anyone say this guy is a sure-fire superstar when his game at the college level was essentially running to the edge on every play, or catching balls out of the slot?

Stop making sense...:lol:

Good post!

I GOT GAME
04-29-2006, 11:06 AM
How do you pass on Reggie Bush them fans must be sick right now.

AS PER ESPN CHRIS BERMAN THE FANS IN HOUSTON ARE TOTALLY DISGUSTED WITH THIS PICK AS I TOLD ALL OF YOU THIS PICK IS THE WORST

I GOT GAME
04-29-2006, 11:08 AM
Stop making sense...:lol:

Good post! THIS PICK IS HORRIBLE

I GOT GAME
04-29-2006, 11:15 AM
It wasn't a terrible move by the Texans. They already have a running back, wide receivers, and a punt returner. Williams or Ferguson made more sense...I just thought they'd trade the pick, and then draft one of those guys.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME !!!!!!!!!!

Motion
04-29-2006, 11:19 AM
THIS PICK IS HORRIBLE

No its not. Chill with the caps. This pick isn't as bad as all the talking heads on ESPN make it sound.

Mr.Majestik
04-29-2006, 11:55 AM
That's if he turns into the next Bruce Smith or Reggie White. How often is a DE taken #1 overall and does well? Courtney Brown anyone? Mario Williams didn't play the type of competition that Bush played against. You could definately make a case that Reggie Bush brought that team back in so many games. The Fresno State game comes to mind when he owned that defense all day long. I'm not saying that Mario Williams is going to stink but at the same time Reggie Bush is going to cause problems for any defense. He's going to open up plays for the other receivers to run wide open. He's got the speed to break into the secondary at any given time.
And how much better is Reggie Bush likely to be then your average Pro Bowl running back? Franchise running backs are a dime a dozen in the NFL. Guys with the potential to be Bruce Smith, or Reggie White are the Hope Diamonds of the league. That competition stuff isn't going to fly either. Julius Peppers came out of the ACC. Shawn Merriman came out of the ACC. Bush didn't play an upper echelon defense in his entire career in the Pac-10, I looked at USC's schedule the last three years, and the ranked teams he did play against were teams like Cal and Washington State and ASU, and he often struggled against them. He lit up Oklahoma in the Orange, and was ordinary against Texas.

Bush might have the speed, but he doesn't have the size, or the experience running betweens the tackles. He doesn't have a low center of gravity or a thick body like LaDainian Tomlinson, so those comparisons are void. How can you possibly justify the first pick in the draft on a guy you're going to lineup in the slot and occasionally hand the ball off to? The Texans already have a Pro Bowl-caliber back that caught more balls then any other RB in the NFL last year. They've got a new coach with a great offensive pedigree who believes he can take what they already have on offense and make them very good. The defense on the other hand doesn't have a single player, not one that could be described as even decent. You need playmakers on both sides of the ball to win in this league.

I just don't understand the Reggie Bush hype, he has a bunch of highlight reel plays, and almost no record of consistent achievement in those areas where a running back should. He didn't run between the tackles at USC. He wasn't an every down back. He's fast, but Ronnie Brown is fast and big. Willis McGahee is fast and big. Jamal Lewis was fast and big, Fred Taylor was fast and big (and still always hurt). Tomlinson was fast and low to the ground. These guys have a pedigree of success in the NFL that can't be argued about. Bush is a complete crap shot. He reminds me of Michael Vick in the number of people calling him a "once in a generation" player, and we know how that turned out. There were people on various online forums actually denouncing the Chargers for passing on Vick to take Tomlinson and Brees, and we know who had the last laugh there. Remember when Edgerrin James was picked over Ricky Williams? The talking heads said the Colts would be sorry. Ricky is out of the league, and James is on pace for a Hall of Fame career. The Texans made the smart move, and it was Kubiak, not lame duck Casserly that made this pick.