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Prakk
04-29-2006, 05:34 PM
Analyse this draft. We were in the top half of the draft by order, meaning we were in the bottom half of NFL success last year. Granted we were the best of the worst, but we're in the bottom half. You can't say "Why didn't we draft so & so" in the top half because they were gone. Vince Young dreams are made of smoke.

Here's who we passed on that the most successful half of the teams in the NFL took, excluding what resulted from trades. Who would you have taken instead? Why?

17.) Minnesota (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/MIN) Greenway, Chad (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/greenway_chad) OLB (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/OLB) Iowa (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/IA)
18.) Dallas (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/DAL) Carpenter, Bobby (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/carpenter_bobby) OLB (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/OLB) Ohio State (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/OHST)
19.) San Diego (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/SD) Cromartie, Antonio (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/cromartie_antonio) CB (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/CB) Florida State (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/FLST)
20.) Kansas City (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/KC) Hali, Tamba (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/hali_tamba) DE (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/DE) Penn State (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/PSU)
21.) New England (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/NE) Maroney, Laurence (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/maroney_laurence) RB (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/RB) Minnesota (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/MN)
22.) San Francisco (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/SF) (from Washington through Denver) Lawson, Manny (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/lawson_manny) OLB (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/OLB) North Carolina State (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/NCST)
23.) Tampa Bay (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/TB) Joseph, Davin (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/joseph_davin) G (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/G) Oklahoma (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/OK)
24.) Cincinnati (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/CIN) Joseph, Johnathan (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/joseph_johnathan) CB (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/CB) South Carolina (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/SC)
25.) Pittsburgh (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/PIT) (from N.Y. Giants) Holmes, Santonio (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/holmes_santonio) WR (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/WR) Ohio State (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/OHST)
26.) Buffalo (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/BUF) (from Chicago) McCargo, John (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/mccargo_john) DT (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/DT) North Carolina State (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/NCST)
27.) Carolina (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/CAR) Williams, DeAngelo (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/williams_deangelo) RB (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/RB) Memphis (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/MEM)
28.) Jacksonville (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/JAC) Lewis, Marcedes (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/lewis_marcedes) TE (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/TE) UCLA (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/UCLA)
29.) N.Y. Jets (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/NYJ) (from Denver) Mangold, Nick (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/mangold_nick) C (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/C) Ohio State (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/OHST)
30.) Indianapolis (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/IND) Addai, Joseph (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/addai_joseph) RB (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/RB) Louisiana State (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/louisianastate)
31.) Seattle (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/SEA) Jennings, Kelly (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/jennings_kelly) CB (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/CB) Miami (Fla.) (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/MIA)
32.) N.Y. Giants (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/NYG) (from Pittsburgh)Kiwanuka, Mathias (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/kiwanuka_mathias) DE (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/DE) Boston College (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/BC)

All of these teams with the exception of the the Bills, Jets and 49ers are officially certified as "smarter" than we are. What did they "get" that we didn't?

Prakk
04-29-2006, 05:38 PM
All these players by the way, are linked to their nfl.com bio's. This includes tidbits like who tore their ACL.

Rick 1966
04-29-2006, 05:41 PM
Chad Greenway.

Prakk
04-29-2006, 05:42 PM
"Chad Greenway."So you agree we needed defensive help.

Roman529
04-29-2006, 05:43 PM
Santonio Holmes...but I can live with Allen.

AtticusFinz
04-29-2006, 05:47 PM
I wanted Lawson or Carpenter@16

I do think in a couple years Allen will be the best saftey taken in the draft barring injuries..

Rick 1966
04-29-2006, 05:48 PM
So you agree we needed defensive help.

Definitely.

Prakk
04-29-2006, 05:50 PM
"I wanted Lawson or Carpenter@16

I do think in a couple years Allen will be the best saftey taken in the draft barring injuries.."Lawson is a certified "dumb" pick by virtue of SF's order of finish. I take it that you think they've turned the corner in terms of coaching and scouting.

HysterikiLL
04-29-2006, 05:50 PM
Cromartie, Lawson, Carpenter, Greenway, maybe Holmes...but I think Allen fits our system great and will be an excellent player at either safety or CB.

AtticusFinz
04-29-2006, 05:55 PM
Lawson is a certified "dumb" pick by virtue of SF's order of finish. I take it that you think they've turned the corner in terms of coaching and scouting.


Saban is only a year removed from college so i do belive he has an advantage knowing top prospects from,scouting,recruiting,coaching&gameplaning against.

Prakk
04-29-2006, 05:56 PM
Two votes for SF's current management as smarter than we are. I'm curious, with Ricky Retired out of the picture, again, why does no one think Laurence Maroney, The Genius Franchise's pick wasn't a good idea? :dolphins:

Regan21286
04-29-2006, 06:02 PM
Analyse this draft. We were in the top half of the draft by order, meaning we were in the bottom half of NFL success last year. Granted we were the best of the worst, but we're in the bottom half. You can't say "Why didn't we draft so & so" in the top half because they were gone. Vince Young dreams are made of smoke.

Here's who we passed on that the most successful half of the teams in the NFL took, excluding what resulted from trades. Who would you have taken instead? Why?

17.) Minnesota (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/MIN) Greenway, Chad (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/greenway_chad) OLB (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/OLB) Iowa (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/IA)
18.) Dallas (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/DAL) Carpenter, Bobby (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/carpenter_bobby) OLB (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/OLB) Ohio State (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/OHST)
19.) San Diego (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/SD) Cromartie, Antonio (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/cromartie_antonio) CB (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/CB) Florida State (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/FLST)
20.) Kansas City (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/KC) Hali, Tamba (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/hali_tamba) DE (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/DE) Penn State (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/PSU)
21.) New England (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/NE) Maroney, Laurence (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/maroney_laurence) RB (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/RB) Minnesota (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/MN)
22.) San Francisco (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/SF) (from Washington through Denver) Lawson, Manny (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/lawson_manny) OLB (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/OLB) North Carolina State (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/NCST)
23.) Tampa Bay (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/TB) Joseph, Davin (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/joseph_davin) G (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/G) Oklahoma (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/OK)
24.) Cincinnati (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/CIN) Joseph, Johnathan (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/joseph_johnathan) CB (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/CB) South Carolina (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/SC)
25.) Pittsburgh (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/PIT) (from N.Y. Giants) Holmes, Santonio (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/holmes_santonio) WR (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/WR) Ohio State (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/OHST)
26.) Buffalo (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/BUF) (from Chicago) McCargo, John (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/mccargo_john) DT (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/DT) North Carolina State (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/NCST)
27.) Carolina (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/CAR) Williams, DeAngelo (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/williams_deangelo) RB (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/RB) Memphis (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/MEM)
28.) Jacksonville (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/JAC) Lewis, Marcedes (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/lewis_marcedes) TE (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/TE) UCLA (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/UCLA)
29.) N.Y. Jets (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/NYJ) (from Denver) Mangold, Nick (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/mangold_nick) C (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/C) Ohio State (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/OHST)
30.) Indianapolis (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/IND) Addai, Joseph (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/addai_joseph) RB (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/RB) Louisiana State (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/louisianastate)
31.) Seattle (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/SEA) Jennings, Kelly (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/jennings_kelly) CB (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/CB) Miami (Fla.) (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/MIA)
32.) N.Y. Giants (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/NYG) (from Pittsburgh)Kiwanuka, Mathias (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/kiwanuka_mathias) DE (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/DE) Boston College (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/BC)

All of these teams with the exception of the the Bills, Jets and 49ers are officially certified as "smarter" than we are. What did they "get" that we didn't?

I would've taken Greenway or Holmes. But I don't know what else Saban has planned (i.e. is he going to take a WR or LB later on).

TotoreMexico
04-29-2006, 06:05 PM
Cromartie or Lawson

RUDEbyallMEANS
04-29-2006, 06:09 PM
I was beginning to really like Jonathan Joseph for Miami if Miami was able to trade down a bit...

Joseph is a tough S.O.B

Dolfan4life!
04-29-2006, 06:11 PM
Cromartie or Lawson
That's what I was thinking as Tags was bringing our draft selection card to the podium.

Dolfan32323
04-29-2006, 06:12 PM
Lawson

Prakk
04-29-2006, 06:15 PM
Certified NFL Brainiacs New England, New York and Chicago took the following players in the second round, players we could have had for Pick One. Do any of these seem better?

New England (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/NE) (from Green Bay) Jackson, Chad (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/jackson_chad) WR (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/WR) Florida (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/FL)
Chicago (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/CHI) (from Buffalo) Manning, Danieal (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/manning_danieal) SS (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/SS) Abilene Christian (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/ABIL)
N.Y. Giants (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/NYG) (from Baltimore) Moss, Sinorice (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/moss_sinorice) WR (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/WR) Miami (Fla.) (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/MIA)

New England obviously thought Laurence Maroney was a better prospect than Chad Jackson, since they drafted Chad after Laurence and the Giants thought Mathias Kiwanuka was a better deal than Sinorice Moss. Da Bears used their first pick for Strong Safety Danieal Manning though that was in the second round.

An increasing number of you think that the 49er's have a genius staff. Should we look for a turn around and a return to glory?