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mor911
05-08-2006, 04:47 PM
YAY!! This is the week of E3! Gamespot has some awesome coverage here:
http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3live.html

Sony's press confrence is coming 2 hours... Nintendo and Microsoft go tomorrow. it's gonna get crazy. :cooldude:

TheAnswer385
05-08-2006, 04:56 PM
The channel G4 will have 2 hours of coverage the 9th-12th at 8pm those nights. I will be watching!!

Samphin
05-08-2006, 05:11 PM
E3 is always a good thing. I have a few buddies who go every year. This year is no different. As a proud XBOX360 owner, I can't wait to see updates on their games, as well as see what is happening with PS3 and...ugh...wii.

UltraDol-Fan
05-08-2006, 05:41 PM
I'm excited to see the Halo 3 trailer!!!

ChrisKo
05-08-2006, 06:09 PM
Microsoft already losing out on Virtual Fighter 5 and Final Fantasy XIII as they were announced as PS3 exclusives. That can't help MS at all.

Medieval954
05-08-2006, 07:02 PM
Sony is first up to bat. :D

ChrisKo
05-08-2006, 07:08 PM
Is this press event going to start, waiting on GameSpot's web stream....ggrrrrrrr.

NuttyFin
05-08-2006, 07:17 PM
My tivo is ready!

finsrule84
05-08-2006, 07:18 PM
wow final fantasy XII looks amazing. i might have to get the PS3.... have they announced the new controller yet?

also, i'm really excited about the Halo 3 announcement, this is going to be the best E3 in years

ChrisKo
05-08-2006, 07:48 PM
Kaz is speaking now!

Medieval954
05-08-2006, 08:43 PM
This Sony conference is mind-numbimgly boring and almost embarassing. The crowd is dead and barely clapping for anything. I hope they get to something good (Metal Gear Solid 4) soon.

Miami 13
05-08-2006, 08:46 PM
I have been watching the PS3 PC since it started now. I like the news I have heard about PSP.

Medieval954
05-08-2006, 08:50 PM
Finally, something nice.

Heavenly Sword looks and plays FANTASTIC.

Miami 13
05-08-2006, 08:56 PM
Eight Days looks Sick.

EDIT: And that game by Naughty Dog, did they say the name of it??

Medieval954
05-08-2006, 09:03 PM
Resistance: Fall of Man looks STUNNING. :eek:

mor911
05-08-2006, 09:04 PM
The Mor has been watching the PS3 confrence online live for over an hour now.

I'm actually pretty disappointed. They didn't show anything great. Some good lookin' stuff... But nothing GREAT... Wait, here comes third party apps.

Miami 13
05-08-2006, 09:07 PM
Resistance: Fall of Man looks STUNNING. :eek:
Yes it does and up to 32 player multiplayer.

Medieval954
05-08-2006, 09:11 PM
Gamespot feed died :(

Miami 13
05-08-2006, 09:13 PM
Gamespot feed died :(
Yeah same here. :(
EDIT: Nevermind it's back. :)

finsrule84
05-08-2006, 09:23 PM
wow... it's the dualshock!... but with triggers!:rolleyes2

this is a huge ripoff of the 360.... and don't get me started on the microtransactions and sony network

the real time graphics look like nothing the 360 can't handle (not a bad thing really, though, they looked amazing)

oh and still TONS of cgi, i liked how they tried to mix the cgi and real time in some games

mor911
05-08-2006, 09:30 PM
The Nintendo Wii has just been killed.... Their entire gimmick is in Sony's (much better) controller.

RIP Nintendo and those freakin' gimmicks.

Miami 13
05-08-2006, 09:31 PM
That controller is F***ing Awesome! I love how they kept the DS 2 design.

finsrule84
05-08-2006, 09:34 PM
great more ripoffs...

$499 20 gb HD
$599 60 gb HD

Medieval954
05-08-2006, 09:36 PM
Kaz comes out to start the Sony conference and says they are not about gimmicks...then go on to display an Eyetoy card battle game then steal Nintendo's motion sensor "gimmick" and put in their 10 year old desgined controller.

But it's not a gimmick anymore, because it's Sony...

:sidelol:

Miami 13
05-08-2006, 09:36 PM
U.S.A. Release Date and Price!!
November 17
20GB-$499
60GB-$599

Medieval954
05-08-2006, 09:37 PM
$499 and $599! :sidelol:

Well, I'll be waiting for several price drops.

mor911
05-08-2006, 09:38 PM
$500? wow...

It's not a gimmick when it's added to your proven controller. It is a gimmick when you add it to a one handed TV remote. Nintendo gambled on "innovation" and Sony was probly planning the thing the entire time.

finsrule84
05-08-2006, 09:42 PM
$500? wow...

It's not a gimmick when it's added to your proven controller. It is a gimmick when you add it to a one handed TV remote. Nintendo gambled on "innovation" and Sony was probly planning the thing the entire time.

umm that's pretty much the definition of a gimmick

mor911
05-08-2006, 09:46 PM
No, it's called a feature. lol a gimmick is when you base your entire console on a movement sensative Tv remote.

finsrule84
05-08-2006, 09:48 PM
no a gimmick is when you add a feature to something that doesn't need it to help it sell more. and that is exactly what SONY is doing. What nintendo did is gamble on a new idea ( i really think FPSs are going to be amazing on it though)

it doesn't matter arguing about it anyways because they pretty much just handed Nintendo and microsoft this gen with the price

Medieval954
05-08-2006, 09:49 PM
$500? wow...

It's not a gimmick when it's added to your proven controller. It is a gimmick when you add it to a one handed TV remote. Nintendo gambled on "innovation" and Sony was probly planning the thing the entire time.

LOL at Sony planning it the entire time.


Anyway, Heavenly Sword and Resistance: Fall of Man looked hot and they were playable. The rest of it was CG garbage just like last year, so I'm not buying into any of it until I see all that playable.

The Eyetoy card battle is cool technology and looked kind of fun.

Grand Turismo HD was underwhelming.

Metal Gear Solid 4 looked nice enough, but needed gameplay footage.

Stealing Xbox Live's interface and iTunes music store functionality was shameless, but at least you can play online for free.

Taking your 10 year old controller design, which closely resembled the Super NES controller in the first place, and not upgrading it except for stealing Nintendo's motion sensor...

Wow, that's just pathetic, even for Sony.

Oh well, I'll pick one up at $200, unless Santa is very good to me :D

Miami 13
05-08-2006, 09:50 PM
I will be pre-ordering my 60GB HDD PS3 soon.

mor911
05-08-2006, 09:54 PM
LOL at Sony planning it the entire time.


Anyway, Heavenly Sword and Resistance: Fall of Man looked hot and they were playable. The rest of it was CG garbage just like last year, so I'm not buying into any of it until I see all that playable.

The Eyetoy card battle is cool technology and looked kind of fun.

Grand Turismo HD was underwhelming.

Metal Gear Solid 4 looked nice enough, but needed gameplay footage.

Stealing Xbox Live's interface and iTunes music store functionality was shameless, but at least you can play online for free.

Taking your 10 year old controller design, which closely resembled the Super NES controller in the first place, and not upgrading it except for stealing Nintendo's motion sensor...

Wow, that's just pathetic, even for Sony.

Oh well, I'll pick one up at $200, unless Santa is very good to me :D
It makes perfect sense. Remember that old Batman looking PS3 controller? didn't it strangly resemble a flight stick or a driving wheel? I wouldn't put it past them to toy with that idea...

Medieval954
05-08-2006, 09:54 PM
http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif

:lol:

Miami 13
05-08-2006, 10:00 PM
The controller...
http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif

mor911
05-08-2006, 10:00 PM
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/2555/sonythief8tv.jpg

:lol:
Hilarious! :sidelol:

finsrule84
05-08-2006, 10:01 PM
funny, yet true

now i hear there's a guide button on the PS3 controller too? wow... just... wow

Dol-Fan Dupree
05-08-2006, 10:01 PM
yea Sony should of taken a controller that is both comfortable and totally usable and just change it for change sake. Instead they took a perfectly good controller and added a feature that could be taken advantage of and create great gameplay. Yup, sony really messed up.

Dol-Fan Dupree
05-08-2006, 10:03 PM
no a gimmick is when you add a feature to something that doesn't need it to help it sell more. and that is exactly what SONY is doing. What nintendo did is gamble on a new idea ( i really think FPSs are going to be amazing on it though)

it doesn't matter arguing about it anyways because they pretty much just handed Nintendo and microsoft this gen with the price

they are both gimmicks. In fact they are both the same gimmicks.

mor911
05-08-2006, 10:04 PM
they are both gimmicks. In fact they are both the same gimmicks.
Except sony's controller can actually be used for any game besides crap built for that TV remote.

Medieval954
05-08-2006, 10:05 PM
they are both gimmicks. In fact they are both the same gimmicks.

Nuh uh, Kaz Hirai called it "incredible innovation". So he's complimenting Nintendo's controller too. :wink:

Dol-Fan Dupree
05-08-2006, 10:07 PM
Nuh uh, Kaz Hirai called it "incredible innovation". So he's complimenting Nintendo's controller too. :wink:

They both are incredible innovations.

Dol-Fan Dupree
05-08-2006, 10:09 PM
I didn't catch much as I am waiting to use my IGN insider to download the great video, is what is the difference between the 20 gig and the 60 gig? I have seen hard drives 40 gigs do not cost 100 dollars anymore. Well they kind of do due to the fact they don't make those anymore. You can get 100 gigs for 40 dollars. There has to be more.

Medieval954
05-08-2006, 10:11 PM
They both are incredible innovations.


they are both gimmicks. In fact they are both the same gimmicks.


Make up your mind.

Dol-Fan Dupree
05-08-2006, 10:12 PM
Make up your mind.

they are gimmicky innovations.

Mike13
05-08-2006, 10:13 PM
And at the end, we see Snake sitting alone in a bombed-out shelter, gazing listlessly at his pistol before putting the piece in his mouth. "One more thing I must do. One last punishment I must endure

Snake is gonna kill himself?!

and FFXIII looks awseome.

http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif
http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gifhttp://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif

Medieval954
05-08-2006, 10:15 PM
Snake is gonna kill himself?!

and FFXIII looks awseome.

http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/127/reviews/928790_20060508_screen001.jpg
http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/127/reviews/928790_20060508_screen002.jpghttp://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/127/reviews/928790_20060508_screen003.jpg

Yeah, supposedly the FXIII stuff is mostly real-time, which if it is, looks amazing.

finsrule84
05-08-2006, 10:19 PM
second and third pictures are real time, the first one obviously isn't.

dQbell
05-08-2006, 10:29 PM
It seems to me that Sony has always been heavy with developers. I suppose being Japan based helps that. Having exclusivity to Final Fantasy is somewhat of a big deal.

This year, this "next-gen," we're going to need to see what the system can do outside of having a ton of games being made for it. Sony is going to have to nail online gaming. To me, that's where the next generation is taking us. The same goes for Nintendo. Enough of this wand wielding nonsense. Show me something with depth. And I don't care about blu-ray either.

Medieval954
05-08-2006, 10:29 PM
Well, that was fun. Sony played all their cards. Some amazing, if not borrowed, stuff. I think the $499/$599 price is suicide, but Xbox360's were fetching $1000+ on eBay during the holidays, so who knows how that will play out. Plus, people who are non-gamers with HDTV's might buy it just because it's the first mass market Blu-ray player.

I think Nintendo's motion sensor is more advanced than Sony's, from what I read, but there will be people killing them on their sub-par graphics compared to PS3 and X360, but at least they came out and said to expect it. A low price point will help them too. But they really need to knock it out the park tomorrow with games that show a remarkable difference in their motion sensing capabilities compared to Sony's.

As for Microsoft, now would be a good time to cut the price on the Xbox360, which will make it an utter bargain compared to the PS3. Also, I think they are going to be forced to kill their Xbox Live fee, or at least reduce it, since Sony's is free. And, they really need to show something Halo 3 related tomorrow.

I love E3 week :D

mor911
05-08-2006, 10:34 PM
Well, that was fun. Sony played all their cards. Some amazing, if not borrowed, stuff. I think the $499/$599 price is suicide, but Xbox360's were fetching $1000+ on eBay during the holidays, so who knows how that will play out. Plus, people who are non-gamers with HDTV's might buy it just because it's the first mass market Blu-ray player.

I think Nintendo's motion sensor is more advanced than Sony's, from what I read, but there will be people killing them on their sub-par graphics compared to PS3 and X360, but at least they came out and said to expect it. A low price point will help them too. But they really need to knock it out the park tomorrow with games that show a remarkable difference in their motion sensing capabilities compared to Sony's.

As for Microsoft, now would be a good time to cut the price on the Xbox360, which will make it an utter bargain compared to the PS3. Also, I think they are going to be forced to kill their Xbox Live fee, or at least reduce it, since Sony's is free. And, they really need to show something Halo 3 related tomorrow.

I love E3 week :D You're so right. If Bill and Co wants to try and take this market away, they need to show a PLAYABLE Halo, Gears of War, Huxley, Forza (if possible), and even some 360 RPGs.

On top of that, if they can drop the 360 price to $250 (or even imagine $200) come november... my god. Don't forget people, there is already almost 5 million 360s shipped.

EDIT -- I do want to point out, sony NEVER said it (their online gaming network) was free.

PeaTearGriffin
05-08-2006, 10:35 PM
i don't know if this was at E3 or if i just didn't see it until today but assassin's creed looks like it could be pretty bad ***!!

Dol-Fan Dupree
05-08-2006, 10:37 PM
Well, that was fun. Sony played all their cards. Some amazing, if not borrowed, stuff. I think the $499/$599 price is suicide, but Xbox360's were fetching $1000+ on eBay during the holidays, so who knows how that will play out. Plus, people who are non-gamers with HDTV's might buy it just because it's the first mass market Blu-ray player.

I think Nintendo's motion sensor is more advanced than Sony's, from what I read, but there will be people killing them on their sub-par graphics compared to PS3 and X360, but at least they came out and said to expect it. A low price point will help them too. But they really need to knock it out the park tomorrow with games that show a remarkable difference in their motion sensing capabilities compared to Sony's.

As for Microsoft, now would be a good time to cut the price on the Xbox360, which will make it an utter bargain compared to the PS3. Also, I think they are going to be forced to kill their Xbox Live fee, or at least reduce it, since Sony's is free. And, they really need to show something Halo 3 related tomorrow.

I love E3 week :D


I love E3 week as well.

I think that the price point will only kill them if supply is heavily outweighted by the demand. The price will come down when the Cell chip and Blu Ray players go down in price. The question is, how long.

Miami 13
05-08-2006, 10:40 PM
You're so right. If Bill and Co wants to try and take this market away, they need to show a PLAYABLE Halo, Gears of War, Huxley, Forza (if possible), and even some 360 RPGs.

On top of that, if they can drop the 360 price to $250 (or even imagine $200) come november... my god. Don't forget people, there is already almost 5 million 360s shipped.

EDIT -- I do want to point out, sony NEVER said it (their online gaming network) was free.
I can almost guarantee they said the online gaming service would remain free. Now all the extras with the music and stuff will cost money obviously.

finsrule84
05-08-2006, 10:41 PM
do you guys really think Microsoft is going to let it's rivals get all the hype without doing anythining? you can bet anything you have right now Halo 3 will be unveiled tomorrow at their press conference.

Medieval954
05-08-2006, 10:43 PM
EDIT -- I do want to point out, sony NEVER said it (their online gaming network) was free.


5:34: Kaz Hirai is back out to talk about the online strategy. He says online and network will be like air conditioning in a car: a standard feature. He says online and networking for the PS3 "is as essential as the air that we breathe." He says by offering a variety of social functionalities beyond gaming (messaging, player profiles, friends list), Sony will create a community, a "virtual society," free of charge.

PSP users will be able to play emulated PSone games booting up directly from the memory stick. He navigates through the PSP menu and boots up a game. Galaga comes up as the game loads. It's Ridge Racer.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6149470.html

:huh:

finsrule84
05-08-2006, 10:44 PM
I can almost guarantee they said the online gaming service would remain free. Now all the extras with the music and stuff will cost money obviously.

most likely what they will do is do what microsoft did and have two versions of the service (one free, the other you have to pay)

NuttyFin
05-08-2006, 10:56 PM
most likely what they will do is do what microsoft did and have two versions of the service (one free, the other you have to pay)

I heard it could be free with advertisements or you could pay so you dont have to see the advertisements. But I dont think this is true.

mor911
05-08-2006, 11:00 PM
5:34: Kaz Hirai is back out to talk about the online strategy. He says online and network will be like air conditioning in a car: a standard feature. He says online and networking for the PS3 "is as essential as the air that we breathe." He says by offering a variety of social functionalities beyond gaming (messaging, player profiles, friends list), Sony will create a community, a "virtual society," free of charge.
Online community? Messenger? Profiles? Free? Sounds like XBL Silver... Never said online gaming (just like XBLSilver).

N-A
05-08-2006, 11:08 PM
And to think I was contemplating picking up a PS3. That was disgusting. I'll be getting a Wii to complement the 360.

I don't think they said the online service would be free but it would be great if they did. MS would have to drop theirs. It's reasonably priced as is but I hate the annual surprise on my credit card.

Medieval954
05-08-2006, 11:09 PM
Online community? Messenger? Profiles? Free? Sounds like XBL Silver... Never said online gaming (just like XBLSilver).

Possible, but when he said during it the conference (those aren't quotes from Gamespot), I got the impression he meant online gaming too. We'll see.

Also, it just dawned on me that you'll probably be able to buy both an Xbox360 and Wii for the same price as a PS3.

Nice move Sony.

Dol-Fan Dupree
05-08-2006, 11:24 PM
Possible, but when he said during it the conference (those aren't quotes from Gamespot), I got the impression he meant online gaming too. We'll see.

Also, it just dawned on me that you'll probably be able to buy both an Xbox360 and Wii for the same price as a PS3.

Nice move Sony.

question how much for the HD-DVD drive for Xbox360? I doubt it will be under $100.

Sony is including a high definition dvd format in the system. You could buy a XBox360 and maybe the HD-DVD drive for the XBox360 for either as much as the ps3 or more than the ps3.

mor911
05-08-2006, 11:52 PM
I honestly don't the price being a problem. People were dishing out $1000+ for their kids' 360s. We live in an age where kids get whatever they want.... Cars, Laptops, 360s, and PS3s.

Microsoft now needs to counter with a GOOD price drop come November... $200 for the core and $300 for premie would be nice. A $50 price drop after E3 would help too :wink:

Medieval954
05-08-2006, 11:52 PM
question how much for the HD-DVD drive for Xbox360? I doubt it will be under $100.

Sony is including a high definition dvd format in the system. You could buy a XBox360 and maybe the HD-DVD drive for the XBox360 for either as much as the ps3 or more than the ps3.

I don't want a "high definition dvd" player, I want a game console that doesn't cost $500/$600 before you even buy a game and another controller.

I'm not paying a premium just so Sony can recoup their investment on their gamble of the Blu-ray disc format. At least Microsoft doesn't force an HD-DVD player on you at your expense.

Medieval954
05-08-2006, 11:53 PM
I honestly don't the price being a problem. People were dishing out $1000+ for their kids' 360s. We live in an age where kids get whatever they want.... Cars, Laptops, 360s, and PS3s.

Microsoft now needs to counter with a GOOD price drop come November... $200 for the core and $300 for premie would be nice. A $50 price drop after E3 would help too :wink:

Yeah, I fully expect Microsoft to announce some kind of price drop right before the PS3 launches. They'd be crazy not to.

Deus Ex Dolphin
05-09-2006, 12:01 AM
I knew the PS3 was going to be spendy, and so it is. Is $500 just too much? Let alone $600 for the 60 GB version? Not for the early, hardcore gamers, but the mass market? They'll wait till the system is at $299 or less, and many to $199 or less.

MS could just run away with the market, if they drop the Xbox 360 price soon, and keep well under the PS3 cost. I'd expect to see a $299 Core Xbox 360 with a 20 GB hard drive this Fall, and a Premium bundle with a larger hard drive (80 GB? 100 GB?) for around $360. That $360 could be a neat little marketing gimmick till the next price drop in 2007. An Xbox 360... for $360.

The Blu-ray will only appeal to HDTV owners, which are still a small percentage of TV owners right now. With a format war between HD-DVD and Blu-ray it may discourage buyers until that is cleared up. The PS3 must stand first-and-foremost as a gaming console.

Medieval954
05-09-2006, 12:08 AM
I didn't catch much as I am waiting to use my IGN insider to download the great video, is what is the difference between the 20 gig and the 60 gig? I have seen hard drives 40 gigs do not cost 100 dollars anymore. Well they kind of do due to the fact they don't make those anymore. You can get 100 gigs for 40 dollars. There has to be more.

$499 version = no HDMI, no WiFi, no MemoryStick/Compact Flash/SD slots.

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/pdf/060509ae.pdf

So if you want their "true HD" via HDMI, you must buy the $599 version. :rolleyes:



You can download the amazing Heavenly Sword and Resistance footage here :)

http://www.playsyde.com/news_2901_en.html



It was fun talking to you all tonight. Don't forget G4 starts their live E3 coverage tomorrow at 6 pm (est). See you all tomorrow. :D

Agent51
05-09-2006, 12:30 AM
I'm glad they kept the PS controller the same, the "boomerang" kinda had me worried, lol. Now here's a worry I have. I PRAY that they do NOT do what the "Wii" is doing with games like Madden, where you have to make a throwing motion to throw the ball and all that. THis is EXTREMELY dumb and for anyone who owns Madden on the "Wii" they won't be able to just kick back and play Madden, they will need a nice open area and some sweats and gatorade, cu it sounds like a workout to play it. A HORRIBLE idea that I HOPE doesn't come to Sony's version of madden. It would be cool for games like MotoGP, to lean the rider/shift weight, or a feature for some of those "mini-game" games like Monkey Ball or something, but as far as using it in ALL games like the Wii, ugh, no thanks, that would ruin my favorite system.

Also, what is with the USB port in the dual shock? Is that for a headset?

Despacio
05-09-2006, 01:21 AM
I'm glad they kept the PS controller the same, the "boomerang" kinda had me worried, lol. Now here's a worry I have. I PRAY that they do NOT do what the "Wii" is doing with games like Madden, where you have to make a throwing motion to throw the ball and all that. THis is EXTREMELY dumb and for anyone who owns Madden on the "Wii" they won't be able to just kick back and play Madden, they will need a nice open area and some sweats and gatorade, cu it sounds like a workout to play it. A HORRIBLE idea that I HOPE doesn't come to Sony's version of madden. It would be cool for games like MotoGP, to lean the rider/shift weight, or a feature for some of those "mini-game" games like Monkey Ball or something, but as far as using it in ALL games like the Wii, ugh, no thanks, that would ruin my favorite system.

Also, what is with the USB port in the dual shock? Is that for a headset?

Well, you don't have to worry about that b/c the PS3 controller is merely capable of detecting tilt, it does not read 3-D depth or anything like that. It's a very simplified feature. That's why it's only going to be good for racing/flying games and Super Monkey Ball.

I was really hoping for a PS3/Wii combo, but that $599 price tag is a buzz killer. And when you add up an extra controller, and at least two games, plus tax?! Your looking at $800+ just to play some games.

Hope they show some Killzone and further details about online play tomorrow. For me they need to duplicate the experience I would miss in not buying a 360 for HALO 3 Online.

Agent51
05-09-2006, 01:35 AM
Well, you don't have to worry about that b/c the PS3 controller is merely capable of detecting tilt, it does not read 3-D depth or anything like that. It's a very simplified feature. That's why it's only going to be good for racing/flying games and Super Monkey Ball.

I was really hoping for a PS3/Wii combo, but that $599 price tag is a buzz killer. And when you add up an extra controller, and at least two games, plus tax?! Your looking at $800+ just to play some games.

Hope they show some Killzone and further details about online play tomorrow. For me they need to duplicate the experience I would miss in not buying a 360 for HALO 3 Online.

Thank GOD it isn't tilt sensing in they style of the Wii's controller, I'd hate it with a passion.

The price doesn;t bother me, I can afford it, plus I have a thing for $100 off the price at Best Buy. It was a promo they were running back when the Slim PS2s were launched, if you bought the 2 year protection plan you got a voucher for $100 of the price of the PS3.

Any info on the USB port on the control though? I have't had time to go through a lot of the E3 stuff, and in this thread is the first I saw/heard about the controller, I didn;t even know Sony changed the design, lol. I'm GUESSING it's for a headset, any comfirmation?

Dol-Fan Dupree
05-09-2006, 02:11 AM
$499 version = no HDMI, no WiFi, no MemoryStick/Compact Flash/SD slots.

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/pdf/060509ae.pdf

So if you want their "true HD" via HDMI, you must buy the $599 version. :rolleyes:



You can download the amazing Heavenly Sword and Resistance footage here :)

http://www.playsyde.com/news_2901_en.html



It was fun talking to you all tonight. Don't forget G4 starts their live E3 coverage tomorrow at 6 pm (est). See you all tomorrow. :D

yup totally saw that.

Well it still comes down to games. Since Final Fantasy XIII is coming out on PS3 only I am getting a PS3. There has yet to be a game announced on XBox 360 that makes me want to buy it. The only thing would be Madden and so far the Xbox and ps2 versions are better minus cool graphics and more animations.

Of course I am going to get the awesome one. Don't know when, probably depends on when the games I actually want to play on. I only bought a PS to play FFVII and then I bought the PS2 because Madden was a million times better than on the PS and because of the future which was FF X. Then I got an Xbox for KOTOR and KOTOR II. I go with the games :).

I am looking forward to more E3 tomorrow.

Agent51
05-09-2006, 02:46 AM
yup totally saw that.

Well it still comes down to games. Since Final Fantasy XIII is coming out on PS3 only I am getting a PS3. There has yet to be a game announced on XBox 360 that makes me want to buy it. The only thing would be Madden and so far the Xbox and ps2 versions are better minus cool graphics and more animations.

Of course I am going to get the awesome one. Don't know when, probably depends on when the games I actually want to play on. I only bought a PS to play FFVII and then I bought the PS2 because Madden was a million times better than on the PS and because of the future which was FF X. Then I got an Xbox for KOTOR and KOTOR II. I go with the games :).

I am looking forward to more E3 tomorrow.

I have always loved PS and it's games. Madden is MUCH better on PS than XBox, plus GTA used to be a PS exclusive. I got my PS2 the day it came out, I was 3rd on the list at my local KB Toys. I also got an XBox when it first came out JUST for that game Transworls Surf (it WAS an XBox exclusive, til like a year later when they put it our for PS2 and GC too). I played it for awhile, along with testing out NFL Fever (HORRIBLE game) and a few others, but it just wasn't my thing, so I sold it. Then I played Halo and I was like "WOW, this game ROCKS" (and I don't even LIKE FPS games). Well when Halo 2 came out I reserved a copy and bought that and a new XBox just for it. To this day the only games I own on XBox are Halo 2, Fight Night Round 2, and Midnight Club 3 (the latter two only because I ran out of memory card room on PS2 and didn't feel liek buying a new card for em, lol).

The same thing applies to the next-gen systems. I WAS planning on waiting on the 360 (I still bought one just to sell) til AFTER the PS3 launch, since I prefer playstation and it's games and controller and everything. Plus no launch games for the 360 warranted the $400 price tag for me. Then I played the 360 and the new controller is impressive I must say, I'm SO glad they ditched the black and white buttons for shoulder buttons. Then I started reading about the new Test Drive Unlimited game coming out for it and decided I NEED that game (Here's my thread about it: http://www.finheaven.com/boardvb2/showthread.php?t=140585). If it weren't for Test Drive I would have waited on the 360.

HysterikiLL
05-09-2006, 02:52 AM
I demand Madden and NCAA news!

Agent51
05-09-2006, 02:54 AM
I demand Madden and NCAA news!

I second that, along with Test Drive Unlimited news, and Halo 3.

I demand to know if Madden for PS2 will have the 40 times and the mini camp stuff liek they showed, or if we get the same old crappy one and only the 360 gets the awesome one. I'm not buying it for the 360 because the controls are MUCH better on PS, and because I want ALL the features, lol.

Dolfan984
05-09-2006, 04:43 AM
yup totally saw that.

Well it still comes down to games. Since Final Fantasy XIII is coming out on PS3 only I am getting a PS3. There has yet to be a game announced on XBox 360 that makes me want to buy it. The only thing would be Madden and so far the Xbox and ps2 versions are better minus cool graphics and more animations.

Of course I am going to get the awesome one. Don't know when, probably depends on when the games I actually want to play on. I only bought a PS to play FFVII and then I bought the PS2 because Madden was a million times better than on the PS and because of the future which was FF X. Then I got an Xbox for KOTOR and KOTOR II. I go with the games :).

I am looking forward to more E3 tomorrow.

You sound like me when it comes to games. Actually the ones you specified too heh. I'm probably going to get a PS3 (after a price drop or two) just because of FFXIII. Does anyone know when FFXII comes out?

Bruzer
05-09-2006, 07:58 AM
No matter the price sony has the right games to sell the system like Final Fantasy and Metal Gear Solid will sell the system alone. I imagine they will sell just as well if not better than any other system.

I remember when like half-life 2 and oblivion etc.. where coming people where buying graphics card like there was no tomorrow. So there is alotof people who will spend money and i expect ps3 to sell fine.

mor911
05-09-2006, 08:33 AM
The PS3 wil sell fine. I hope it does, it will be a great tool of the industry.

Bruzer
05-09-2006, 08:42 AM
Well main reason for the higher price is the blue ray once blue ray becomes more standard and drops in price so will the system. I always wait 1-2 years before buying a console to save any troubles of a recall etc..

mor911
05-09-2006, 08:52 AM
I really want a PS3 (Warhawk has my balls tingling -- sorry), but I doubt I'll spit out $600 at launch. It'll be at least a year before I pick one up.

Bruzer
05-09-2006, 09:24 AM
I want warhawk, mgs4, resistence(a maybe). Still waiting on killzone 2 to show in-game I imagine they are working their ***** off to meet the hype so I imagine why we havent seen anything.

Motion
05-09-2006, 09:26 AM
I really want a PS3 (Warhawk has my balls tingling -- sorry), but I doubt I'll spit out $600 at launch. It'll be at least a year before I pick one up.

:yes: Warhawk :hump:

PeaTearGriffin
05-09-2006, 09:41 AM
Whats up with Raiden? Its good to see some people coming back for this one

mor911
05-09-2006, 09:44 AM
Whats up with Raiden? Its good to see some people coming back for this one
DUDE! For once, Raiden looked awesome! No more crying pansy Raiden.

PeaTearGriffin
05-09-2006, 09:46 AM
DUDE! For once, Raiden looked awesome! No more crying pansy Raiden.

He looked crazy, like 1/2 human 1/2 cyborg ninja.

mor911
05-09-2006, 09:48 AM
I still don't see MGS4 launching till Christmas 07... I don't see FFXIII launching till 08 some time.

Bruzer
05-09-2006, 09:49 AM
Yea I knew raiden would look awesome Kojima said he would and Kojima sticks to his word. That was only a small teaser the full trailer is 15 minutes I cannot wait for that. I wish it was in english other than that its awesome.

PeaTearGriffin
05-09-2006, 09:54 AM
Yea I knew raiden would look awesome Kojima said he would and Kojima sticks to his word. That was only a small teaser the full trailer is 15 minutes I cannot wait for that. I wish it was in english other than that its awesome.

Is that today or tomorrow?

PeaTearGriffin
05-09-2006, 09:57 AM
I still don't see MGS4 launching till Christmas 07... I don't see FFXIII launching till 08 some time.

which is good because i don't want to pay the big price tag, and these two games are the main ones i want

mor911
05-09-2006, 10:03 AM
which is good because i don't want to pay the big price tag, and these two games are the main ones i want
Agreed bro

Bruzer
05-09-2006, 10:05 AM
Not sure when full trailer is its during thier press conference which I got to see when it is.

Motion
05-09-2006, 10:11 AM
I can't wait to see what Rockstar has in store for the GTA series on PS3.

Agent51
05-09-2006, 10:18 AM
I can't wait to see what Rockstar has in store for the GTA series on PS3.

Hopefully it's online, like GTA MMO, where you can join/create online gangs and do co-op drive-bys, robberies, shootouts, etc etc. That would be SO cool. That, and if you can create your own character. Not just modify the main character like San Andreas, but I mean pick if you want him to be white, black, asian, mexican, whatever. It'd be cool if you could name your own gang and create a logo for them too, which you could use to tag (like the logo creator in Tony Hawk American Wasteland) and also you could get it tattooed on you. It'd be a SUPER bonus if the "satellite-mapped" it, like the True Crime series (LA and NYC) or the upcoming Test Drive Unlimited game (O'ahu, Hawai'i). So you'd be playing GTA in a REAL place. I'm not sure where that place would be, I mean, they've had GTA in NYC, Miami, and LA/SF/Vegas (or the likenesses of them all anyway) so what MAJOR city is left that is good enough to map like that?

Bruzer
05-09-2006, 10:23 AM
GTA mmo would kinda suck unless they find a way to limit it, because it would just be tons of shooting and not really much gameplay.

Agent51
05-09-2006, 10:26 AM
GTA mmo would kinda suck unless they find a way to limit it, because it would just be tons of shooting and not really much gameplay.

well they'd still have the whole offline story mode thing, but there'd be an online option where you'd have to control turf and maybe they'd throw in other objectives, like drug dealing missions or stuff liek that, so it's not just everyone having a 298579356 person shootout, although, if the server could handle it, would prolly be KARAZY

Mike13
05-09-2006, 10:29 AM
second and third pictures are real time, the first one obviously isn't.

Yeah its from a cutscene, still those graphics are very impressive.

$500/$600 for a PS3 is pretty damn exspensive, But it could sell alot just with MGS4, RE5 and FFXIII. I'm gonna wait for a price drop its not like those games are gonna be out soon anyway. Maybe I'll get a Wii and there are some other games that I would like to get.

dQbell
05-09-2006, 10:32 AM
You're so right. If Bill and Co wants to try and take this market away, they need to show a PLAYABLE Halo, Gears of War, Huxley, Forza (if possible), and even some 360 RPGs.

On top of that, if they can drop the 360 price to $250 (or even imagine $200) come november... my god. Don't forget people, there is already almost 5 million 360s shipped.

EDIT -- I do want to point out, sony NEVER said it (their online gaming network) was free.

It's very possible we see a price drop so that MS can successfully sell their HD-DVD Component. Right now, the HD-DVD and the 360 would go a little over the $600.00 PS3 price (source: IGN). It would make sense to drop the price 100.00. That would help sell the HD-DVD and also sell the system on its own.

I think you have to look at which company can afford losses here. To me, it's MS. Sony has a rough road ahead of them. I'm telling you, they need something bigger than a motion controller here. They need to nail online connectivity.

mor911
05-09-2006, 10:40 AM
It's very possible we see a price drop so that MS can successfully sell their HD-DVD Component. Right now, the HD-DVD and the 360 would go a little over the $600.00 PS3 price (source: IGN). It would make sense to drop the price 100.00. That would help sell the HD-DVD and also sell the system on its own.

I think you have to look at which company can afford losses here. To me, it's MS. Sony has a rough road ahead of them. I'm telling you, they need something bigger than a motion controller here. They need to nail online connectivity.
You're right about that.

While everything looked neat in their online interface, they should have shown the thing in use.

I can guarantee that Microsoft shows of the next wave of XBL features in their confrence today. They'll show some new game being played, and probly some neat video chat with the camera add on. It's gonna get crazy. People hate to admit it, but XBL is a tough act to follow.

Motion
05-09-2006, 10:44 AM
Hopefully it's online, like GTA MMO, where you can join/create online gangs and do co-op drive-bys, robberies, shootouts, etc etc. That would be SO cool. That, and if you can create your own character. Not just modify the main character like San Andreas, but I mean pick if you want him to be white, black, asian, mexican, whatever. It'd be cool if you could name your own gang and create a logo for them too, which you could use to tag (like the logo creator in Tony Hawk American Wasteland) and also you could get it tattooed on you. It'd be a SUPER bonus if the "satellite-mapped" it, like the True Crime series (LA and NYC) or the upcoming Test Drive Unlimited game (O'ahu, Hawai'i). So you'd be playing GTA in a REAL place. I'm not sure where that place would be, I mean, they've had GTA in NYC, Miami, and LA/SF/Vegas (or the likenesses of them all anyway) so what MAJOR city is left that is good enough to map like that?

Yeah that would be cool.

Chicago? Atlanta? Dallas?

Bruzer
05-09-2006, 10:50 AM
I understand your thinking know but I would not hope on it becuase mmo takes alot of work which is why you never see many mmo/single player combos in one game. With blue ray anything is possible though so we will wait and see. All I know is i cannot wait also GTA is not one of my greats but i get every game becuase they are fun.

VanDolPhan
05-09-2006, 10:53 AM
It's very possible we see a price drop so that MS can successfully sell their HD-DVD Component. Right now, the HD-DVD and the 360 would go a little over the $600.00 PS3 price (source: IGN). It would make sense to drop the price 100.00. That would help sell the HD-DVD and also sell the system on its own.

I think you have to look at which company can afford losses here. To me, it's MS. Sony has a rough road ahead of them. I'm telling you, they need something bigger than a motion controller here. They need to nail online connectivity.

Who really cares about HD/Blu Ray? Most people don't. Most high def tv's don't even have HDMI hook-ups right now. I just bought a 42" Samsung Plasma 2 months ago and it came with a grand total of 1 HDMI input which currently has an upconverting DVD player hooked into it that does DVD's just fine. My buddies big screens they got last year don't have them period.

It's a format that for the most part most people couldn't care about and are currently happy with their DVD players. LG is already working on a Blu-Ray/HD-DVD combo player. Once those combo players come out the whole battle is dead. I doubt many buy the HD-DVD add-on at all not because it's an add-on but because it's a technology that only the truly geeked out care about. It's not like people are looking for better as they were with VHS (and lets not forget that Sony lost that war despite having the better, but more expensive beta).

My entire Xbox360 purchase with game, extra warranty and plug and play pack came to $750cdn. That's the price of the PS3 after taxes here in Canada for the system alone.

By the time your done with a game and any basic additions your looking at $1000cdn. No thanks. That kills off the market for those that buy both systems (might consider Wii despite it's name and the changes they are making once I see how it does and whether it's implemented well).

If their whole hype is going to be around Blu-Ray that's not 1/10th the selling point a DVD player was the first time around.

Really blows because I really wanted to get both systems but at that price I might as well be looking into getting a new computer.

Motion
05-09-2006, 10:55 AM
God of War is another game I'm really looking forward to seeing on PS3.

mor911
05-09-2006, 11:19 AM
Looking at the Sony Press confrence again, I'm not too sure how they're gonna sell units.

Their big hits (FFXIII and MGS) are not launch titles (Late 07 at best), and WarHawk doesn't look to be a launch game.... There were a few good looking rents. They really didn't show anything to "WOW" the crowd. I mean, they crapped on Nintendo by adding motion sensetivity (It did garner some wows). But there were no real GAMES that looked playable that you just wanted to play right away.

I guess I was looking for some definite proof that the PS3 is hands down more powerful than the 360.... But everything I seen last night I could picture on my 360. They need a killer app. They need a must-buy game. Because by the time the PS3 launches, Microsoft will have at least a few (imo Oblivion, GRAW, and Fight Night already are).

Gears of War, FEAR, Chromehounds, Enchanted Arms, Mass Effect, and Far East of Eden Ziria - Tales from Distant Jipang isn't exactly a push over list of titles. In fact, it's a hell of a lot better lineup than the PS3s expected launch line up.

Motion
05-09-2006, 11:27 AM
Looking at the Sony Press confrence again, I'm not too sure how they're gonna sell units.

Their big hits (FFXIII and MGS) are not launch titles (Late 07 at best), and WarHawk doesn't look to be a launch game.... There were a few good looking rents. They really didn't show anything to "WOW" the crowd. I mean, they crapped on Nintendo by adding motion sensetivity (It did garner some wows). But there were no real GAMES that looked playable that you just wanted to play right away.

I guess I was looking for some definite proof that the PS3 is hands down more powerful than the 360.... But everything I seen last night I could picture on my 360. They need a killer app. They need a must-buy game.


Kinda like the 360 when it launched? :D

MGS4 late 2007? I don't see it being that late. I haven't been keeping up with things as much lately, but from what I have seen I definitely think it will be out well before then.

I still have faith that they'll have a MUCH better lineup than what the 360 did, although that won't take much.

But anyway, not trying to turn this into a Sony vs. MS debate, just commenting on weak launch lineups...

Medieval954
05-09-2006, 11:30 AM
Ken Kutaragi comments on the backlash of the absurd price.


"This is the PS3 price. Expensive, cheap -- we don't want you to think of it in terms of game machines. Because the PS3 is like nothing else.

For instance, is it not nonsense to compare the charge for dinner at the company cafeteria with dinner at a fine restaurant? It's a question of what you can do with that game machine. If you can have an amazing experience, we believe price is not a problem.

When we announced the PlayStation price, it was said to be expensive. Same for the PlayStation 2. However, when released, both had sales that were unthinkable for previous game machines. This is because both offered experiences that could not be had on previous game machines.

With the PS3, you can have next generation game experiences that could previously not be experienced -- things like next generation graphics and various services via the network. And, as with the PS and PS2, we believe people who like games will, without question, purchase it."

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/706/706133p1.html

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2006/05/spinning_top-1.gif

mor911
05-09-2006, 11:30 AM
Kinda like the 360 when it launched? :D
Yes actually... The key difference... The 360 had NO competition.

The MGS games are always slow to be released. I seriosly don't see that game before November of 07... July 07 at best.

Dol-Fan Dupree
05-09-2006, 11:34 AM
Looking at the Sony Press confrence again, I'm not too sure how they're gonna sell units.

Their big hits (FFXIII and MGS) are not launch titles (Late 07 at best), and WarHawk doesn't look to be a launch game.... There were a few good looking rents. They really didn't show anything to "WOW" the crowd. I mean, they crapped on Nintendo by adding motion sensetivity (It did garner some wows). But there were no real GAMES that looked playable that you just wanted to play right away.

I guess I was looking for some definite proof that the PS3 is hands down more powerful than the 360.... But everything I seen last night I could picture on my 360. They need a killer app. They need a must-buy game. Because by the time the PS3 launches, Microsoft will have at least a few (imo Oblivion, GRAW, and Fight Night already are).

Gears of War, FEAR, Chromehounds, Enchanted Arms, Mass Effect, and Far East of Eden Ziria - Tales from Distant Jipang isn't exactly a push over list of titles. In fact, it's a hell of a lot better lineup than the PS3s expected launch line up.

PS3 will just have to sell 6 million in the first few months world wide. One thing to remember is that in this generation the "winner" won't be known for 2 years at least. One of the big things is that the PS2 is still going to dominate sales and in games. So if the PS3 goes down in price after the first year they should be fine

Dol-Fan Dupree
05-09-2006, 11:37 AM
Who really cares about HD/Blu Ray? Most people don't. Most high def tv's don't even have HDMI hook-ups right now. I just bought a 42" Samsung Plasma 2 months ago and it came with a grand total of 1 HDMI input which currently has an upconverting DVD player hooked into it that does DVD's just fine. My buddies big screens they got last year don't have them period.

It's a format that for the most part most people couldn't care about and are currently happy with their DVD players. LG is already working on a Blu-Ray/HD-DVD combo player. Once those combo players come out the whole battle is dead. I doubt many buy the HD-DVD add-on at all not because it's an add-on but because it's a technology that only the truly geeked out care about. It's not like people are looking for better as they were with VHS (and lets not forget that Sony lost that war despite having the better, but more expensive beta).

My entire Xbox360 purchase with game, extra warranty and plug and play pack came to $750cdn. That's the price of the PS3 after taxes here in Canada for the system alone.

By the time your done with a game and any basic additions your looking at $1000cdn. No thanks. That kills off the market for those that buy both systems (might consider Wii despite it's name and the changes they are making once I see how it does and whether it's implemented well).

If their whole hype is going to be around Blu-Ray that's not 1/10th the selling point a DVD player was the first time around.

Really blows because I really wanted to get both systems but at that price I might as well be looking into getting a new computer.

I am getting a new computer soon enough. That is going to cost me at least 1,500 dollars.

One thing to remember is that blu ray is a bigger medium. One of the things to remember is that in a few years games are going to be huge. I doubt they will fit on DVD in a few years. That is when blu ray will make more sense than dvd.

Motion
05-09-2006, 11:38 AM
Yes actually... The key difference... The 360 had NO competition.

The MGS games are always slow to be released. I seriosly don't see that game before November of 07... July 07 at best.

Good point with the competition thing. But, I still don't think MGS will take that long, based on the articles/interviews I've read.

VanDolPhan
05-09-2006, 11:44 AM
One thing to remember is that blu ray is a bigger medium. One of the things to remember is that in a few years games are going to be huge. I doubt they will fit on DVD in a few years. That is when blu ray will make more sense than dvd.

In 5-6 years they will have new systems out ;p Compression techniques can also do wonders. You also have to figure that means the PS3 will also have huge load times again because the Blu-Ray player runs at slower speeds. Not to mention most games are going to be equal ports so only the exclusives are going to make use of the extra space.

Honestly I'm going to be laughing at all the people who buy it with the Blu-Ray slogan in their heads and get it home only to find they don't have an HDMI connection.

Microsoft obviously won't overtake Sony this round, but they are setting themselves up to get past Sony in the next generation by eating up a better market share then they did with the Xbox.

Have to see how they capitalize tommorow to. If Microsoft can slap a Gears of War at Sony before they launch and get Halo 3 or a new Kotor out by Sony's 6 month mark that'll make a huge dent.

One game I'm wondering why we haven't heard jack all yet is a Ninja Gaiden 2. Ninja Gaiden was an excellent game.

Dol-Fan Dupree
05-09-2006, 11:49 AM
In 5-6 years they will have new systems out ;p Compression techniques can also do wonders. You also have to figure that means the PS3 will also have huge load times again because the Blu-Ray player runs at slower speeds. Not to mention most games are going to be equal ports so only the exclusives are going to make use of the extra space.

Honestly I'm going to be laughing at all the people who buy it with the Blu-Ray slogan in their heads and get it home only to find they don't have an HDMI connection.

Microsoft obviously won't overtake Sony this round, but they are setting themselves up to get past Sony in the next generation by eating up a better market share then they did with the Xbox.

From what I read about Blu-Ray is that the speeds are actually faster than DVD. Plus the fact they have a hard drive standard, which will help with loading times. Something I truely learned with X-Box and still wonder why they didn't make that standard. Price be damned.

I do have a HDMI connection. I am looking forward to getting a PS3 at home to take advantage. I am looking forward to XBOX 360 to actually release a game I want to buy for it ;).

This generation is weird I think. Mostly due to the fact that they could of easily waited a couple of years and not had much of a problem due to the huge success of the ps2 and the decent success of the Xbox and gamecube.

Motion
05-09-2006, 11:49 AM
I seriously doubt loading times will be an issue.

mor911
05-09-2006, 11:49 AM
I also don't think that larger mediums will be as big of a deal as people make it sound. Multi-disk games doesn't seem to bother anyone (developers included). Compression is getting amazing. Oblivion fits on a single layered DVD! SINGLE LAYERED!

For those of you that's never experienced Oblivion, it's an absolutely HUGE game where EVERYONE speaks, and has 200+ hours of gameplay.... On 4GB.

EDIT -- I am actually glad Microsoft didn't push the envelope by adding a blu-ray or HD-DVD drive.. This way they can lower the price easier.

Motion
05-09-2006, 11:50 AM
From what I read about Blu-Ray is that the speeds are actually faster than DVD. Plus the fact they have a hard drive standard, which will help with loading times. Something I truely learned with X-Box and still wonder why they didn't make that standard. Price be damned.

I do have a HDMI connection. I am looking forward to getting a PS3 at home to take advantage. I am looking forward to XBOX 360 to actually release a game I want to buy for it ;).

This generation is weird I think. Mostly due to the fact that they could of easily waited a couple of years and not had much of a problem due to the huge success of the ps2 and the decent success of the Xbox and gamecube.

:yes: I agree

Dol-Fan Dupree
05-09-2006, 11:57 AM
I also don't think that larger mediums will be as big of a deal as people make it sound. Multi-disk games doesn't seem to bother anyone (developers included). Compression is getting amazing. Oblivion fits on a single layered DVD! SINGLE LAYERED!

For those of you that's never experienced Oblivion, it's an absolutely HUGE game where EVERYONE speaks, and has 200+ hours of gameplay.... On 4GB.

EDIT -- I am actually glad Microsoft didn't push the envelope by adding a blu-ray or HD-DVD drive.. This way they can lower the price easier.

That is 4 GB now. Just think of that on a CD which is the equivelent at launch.

I guess I am just making the assumption that games are going to get bigger and bigger. Of the two, single disk games are cheaper for both the consumer and the developer.

Medieval954
05-09-2006, 11:57 AM
The thing is, Sony has a bigger stake with the Blu-ray disc in movies rather than games. They are trying to use this as a trojan horse to launch their new disc format because if it catches on, they stand to make far more money by getting people to buy Blu-ray movies then they are selling Blu-ray games, since they invented the format.

It is an enormous gamble, since the Playstation division is the only thing generating a profit for Sony these days. If this thing bombs, it'll possibly bring the whole company down with it.

VanDolPhan
05-09-2006, 11:57 AM
From what I read about Blu-Ray is that the speeds are actually faster than DVD. Plus the fact they have a hard drive standard, which will help with loading times.

If you read it from Sony take it with a grain of salt. Read speed is still read speed. If your buying it in large part for the Blu-Ray player seriously stop and think for a moment. By this time next year there will be players that will play both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD meaning companies can release the movies in whatever format they want and the players will take care of it. That'll make the Blu-Ray player in the PS3 obsolete. Not to mention it's going to take at least 5-6 years to really become the standard if not longer. It took DVD that long to really take over and that's one of those 'in a blue moon' successes.

Although speaking as a guy with a good upconverting HDMI player as is I honestly don't see the need for it.

Medieval954
05-09-2006, 12:01 PM
Heads up, get your browsers ready, Nintendo's conference starts at 12:30 pm (est). Less than a half hour to go. Get your Wii jokes and sub-par graphics insults ready. :lol:

mor911
05-09-2006, 12:02 PM
I am looking forward to the PS3 big time, but you always have to question Sony's legitimacy. If they were honest, the damn thing whould have shipped this month.

Remember the Off Road and Killzone 2 videos? Did anything last night even come close to that? Not to me.

mor911
05-09-2006, 12:03 PM
Heads up, get your browsers ready, Nintendo's conference starts at 12:30 pm (est). Less than a half hour to go. Get your Wii jokes and sub-par graphics insults ready. :lol:
I don't think the graphics will be that far behind the 360. I just hate that they force developers to work around the TV remote.

Agent51
05-09-2006, 12:05 PM
PS3 will just have to sell 6 million in the first few months world wide. One thing to remember is that in this generation the "winner" won't be known for 2 years at least. One of the big things is that the PS2 is still going to dominate sales and in games. So if the PS3 goes down in price after the first year they should be fine

Is everyone forgetting that XBox isn't big in Japan, and PS/Sony is HUGE? Maybe the PS3 won't beat out the 360's US sales at first, but it should KILL the Japanese market, which should equal out, if not give them the edge, no?

VanDolPhan
05-09-2006, 12:08 PM
Is everyone forgetting that XBox isn't big in Japan, and PS/Sony is HUGE? Maybe the PS3 won't beat out the 360's US sales at first, but it should KILL the Japanese market, which should equal out, if not give them the edge, no?

They will rock the Japanese market. That's a given.

European market might be a toss up. Euro's have always been price sensitive that's why it's been good news for MS as they've done extremely well there.

Really if Microsoft can shave that defecit in market share in half then it's a success all around and sets up the 'true' big war in the next set of consoles. There's no way they will win this round unless Sony really screws things up.

Motion
05-09-2006, 12:10 PM
Is everyone forgetting that XBox isn't big in Japan, and PS/Sony is HUGE? Maybe the PS3 won't beat out the 360's US sales at first, but it should KILL the Japanese market, which should equal out, if not give them the edge, no?

:yes: Even the Wii will kill the 360 over there.

mor911
05-09-2006, 12:12 PM
We need to stop talking about this in a "Winner" and "Loser" fashion. In the end, if both Microsoft and Sony both do well (world wide), it'll only help the gamers. If the competition is fierce, both companies will have to put out grade A stuff.

It just sucks for the folks don't have the money to get both. In my opinion, the gamers will be the winners. Neither Sony nor Microsoft will "Lose". Nintendo might struggle though... How many consoles can maniacal fanboys get a company through?

mor911
05-09-2006, 12:13 PM
:yes: Even the Wii will kill the 360 over there.
Everything small and wierd sells in Japan. :sidelol:

Dol-Fan Dupree
05-09-2006, 12:15 PM
We need to stop talking about this in a "Winner" and "Loser" fashion. In the end, if both Microsoft and Sony both do well (world wide), it'll only help the gamers. If the competition is fierce, both companies will have to put out grade A stuff.

It just sucks for the folks don't have the money to get both. In my opinion, the gamers will be the winners. Neither Sony nor Microsoft will "Lose". Nintendo might struggle though... How many consoles can maniacal fanboys get a company through?

I totally agree.

ChrisKo
05-09-2006, 12:16 PM
In 5-6 years they will have new systems out ;p Compression techniques can also do wonders. You also have to figure that means the PS3 will also have huge load times again because the Blu-Ray player runs at slower speeds. Not to mention most games are going to be equal ports so only the exclusives are going to make use of the extra space.


Actually, they use the HDD as a caching mechanism for the game. Look at the Gran Turismo HD video to see how quick those load times are.



Honestly I'm going to be laughing at all the people who buy it with the Blu-Ray slogan in their heads and get it home only to find they don't have an HDMI connection.


Both versions have a AV MULTI OUT connection as well, so I assume Component, DVI, RGB, and all the other connections will be available. I also seem to remember Sony mentioning the scaled down resolution on non-digital HD connections probably won't be utilized in the early years of BluRay due to the reason you brought up. I am one of the early adopters into HDTV as I've had my Pioneer 53" HDTV since 2000, so I know the concerns you have.
Microsoft obviously won't overtake Sony this round, but they are setting themselves up to get past Sony in the next generation by eating up a better market share then they did with the Xbox.

I also agree that as always, games make the difference and maybe Sony has a few surprises planned for launch that haven't been announced yet as they don't want to toally tip their hand.

I'll have to watch the Nintendo press event tonight as I don't have time at work today. And it will be interesting to see what MS has planned today too.

mor911
05-09-2006, 12:17 PM
Be careful with the load time BS of Gran Turismo HD... it's a Pumped up PS2 game. DON'T Forget that.


Sony = Kings of deception

ChrisKo
05-09-2006, 12:19 PM
True, but they bumped all the textures to HD resolutions....but the fact that it took 2 seconds between screens compared to the 15-20 seconds of GT4 was a good sign.

Motion
05-09-2006, 12:20 PM
We need to stop talking about this in a "Winner" and "Loser" fashion. In the end, if both Microsoft and Sony both do well (world wide), it'll only help the gamers. If the competition is fierce, both companies will have to put out grade A stuff.

It just sucks for the folks don't have the money to get both. In my opinion, the gamers will be the winners. Neither Sony nor Microsoft will "Lose". Nintendo might struggle though... How many consoles can maniacal fanboys get a company through?

:yes:

Medieval954
05-09-2006, 12:24 PM
Nintendo's game division is the only one that makes a profit, they aren't going anywhere for a long time. :D

But yeah, in a perfect world, all 3 systems will have good sales. That helps drive competition which is good for gamers everywhere. :)

mor911
05-09-2006, 12:29 PM
True, but they bumped all the textures to HD resolutions....but the fact that it took 2 seconds between screens compared to the 15-20 seconds of GT4 was a good sign.
PS2 - 16MB RAM?
PS3 - 512MB RAM

Not impressed with the loading time of that game AT ALL. It's a PS2 game. The Test Drive Unlimited Demo has little load time at all (2-3 seconds) and it's an actual 360 game. That impressed me. Although the game was buggy as hell.

mor911
05-09-2006, 12:42 PM
I just wanted to note that I'm watching the Nintendo Press Confrence and wow... I called it. All they showed for the Wii was some corny kiddie baseball, golf and tennis games. Some sword game that looks way too over acted. Mario looked cool. And the 2 best looking games were gamecube games. I REALLY hope they have more... Oh, forgot that Orchestra game... A real winner.

Dol-Fan Dupree
05-09-2006, 12:44 PM
I just wanted to note that I'm watching the Nintendo Press Confrence and wow... I called it. All they showed for the Wii was some corny kiddie baseball, golf and tennis games. Some sword game that looks way too over acted. Mario looked cool. And the 2 best looking games were gamecube games. I REALLY hope they have more... Oh, forgot that Orchestra game... A real winner.

wow you are negative.

Agent51
05-09-2006, 01:12 PM
Everything small and wierd sells in Japan. :sidelol:

Dude, I'm goin on a surf trip there at the end of May or begining of June (depends on the surf), I can't WAIT to see all the crazy stuff. I hear they have THE weirdest **** there. It's one of the few places I've never been, but always wanted to. I had a chance to go 2 years ago and I (stupidly) passed it up. Can't wait for this years trip.


PS2 - 16MB RAM?
PS3 - 512MB RAM

Not impressed with the loading time of that game AT ALL. It's a PS2 game. The Test Drive Unlimited Demo has little load time at all (2-3 seconds) and it's an actual 360 game. That impressed me. Although the game was buggy as hell.

Dude, how is that game? I have been home for like 38 seconds in the past week, lol, never have time to DL it and this game is the REASON I bought a 360 now instead of waiting. It has my mouth watering (or my balls tingling :wink:). I just love the fact that it's satllit-mapped to my island, I can't wait to drive to places I've actually been to in a videogame. It was cool with True Crime LA and NYC because I've been to both a bunch (lived outside LA for the spring/summers up until this year), but this game will be even cooler because it's HAWAI'I, lol.

mor911
05-09-2006, 01:37 PM
wow you are negative.
I'm very critical of Nintendo because they've let me down over and over again. People are stuck in the day of Super Nintendo when The big N was a big dog and delivered things people wanted.

Then came the N64 - How many N64 games were actually great? Followed by the Gamecube. Ha, don't get me started. Now the Wii. "Revolutionizing video games". Looks more like that stupid batting and tennis game you see in mall booths.

People follow Nintendo's nonsense blindly and it annoys me. When you buy a console for a Zelda game and a Metroid game (because 85% of the GC owners out there don't play it... They'll tell you, "I bought it for Metroid and/or Zelda." That's pathetic.) It's going to happen again. AND PEOPLE ARE OKEY WITH THAT for some reason. I'm not going to be another supporter of Nintendo's "Innovation" unless they actually show something worth a damn....

The way it's looking is: Sony is using their only big gimmick. Now their only selling point will be SNES, Genesis, NES, and TG16 games.... I have that crap on my regular Xbox. I'm giving up. :tantrum:

mor911
05-09-2006, 01:40 PM
Dude, how is that game? I have been home for like 38 seconds in the past week, lol, never have time to DL it and this game is the REASON I bought a 360 now instead of waiting. It has my mouth watering (or my balls tingling :wink:). I just love the fact that it's satllit-mapped to my island, I can't wait to drive to places I've actually been to in a videogame. It was cool with True Crime LA and NYC because I've been to both a bunch (lived outside LA for the spring/summers up until this year), but this game will be even cooler because it's HAWAI'I, lol.
The game seems cool. The Demo is EXTREMELY buggy. It keeps crashing on everyone. If they can stable it out, it'll be fire :D

Medieval954
05-09-2006, 01:42 PM
That was a fun press conference by Nintendo. The graphics, as expected, are underwhelming, compared to PS3 and Xbox360, but they do look good nonetheless. The controller is awesome, but the exaggerated moves needed for some of the games worry me a little. The Red Steel demo was great, but it looks like they need to tweak the controls a bit. Metroid Prime 3 looked ok. Super Mario Galaxy looked like someone at Nintendo tripped on acid when making it, but looked very sharp :) Everyone looked like they were having fun, and that's the whole point.

AND I WILL MAME, PILLAGE AND MURDER TO GET MY HANDS ON THE ZELDA GAME.

:D

Microsoft's conference starts at 2:30 pm (est). Show Halo 3 dammit!

Dol-Fan Dupree
05-09-2006, 01:58 PM
I'm very critical of Nintendo because they've let me down over and over again. People are stuck in the day of Super Nintendo when The big N was a big dog and delivered things people wanted.

Then came the N64 - How many N64 games were actually great? Followed by the Gamecube. Ha, don't get me started. Now the Wii. "Revolutionizing video games". Looks more like that stupid batting and tennis game you see in mall booths.

People follow Nintendo's nonsense blindly and it annoys me. When you buy a console for a Zelda game and a Metroid game (because 85% of the GC owners out there don't play it... They'll tell you, "I bought it for Metroid and/or Zelda." That's pathetic.) It's going to happen again. AND PEOPLE ARE OKEY WITH THAT for some reason. I'm not going to be another supporter of Nintendo's "Innovation" unless they actually show something worth a damn....

The way it's looking is: Sony is using their only big gimmick. Now their only selling point will be SNES, Genesis, NES, and TG16 games.... I have that crap on my regular Xbox. I'm giving up. :tantrum:

Gamecube released 100 dollars cheaper than Xbox and Ps2 and is now less than 100 bucks. For its price it was a decent console. Was it as good as Ps2 or Xbox? No, but if you like Nintendo games then it is a good system to buy while getting a Ps2 or Xbox.

Plus who plays those mall booths? Not hard core gamers. Looks to me that they have a very good idea on their hands. It could do what they say and bring in new people to gaming.

Plus the last "innovation" has been HUGELY successful. DS is selling like hot cakes

mor911
05-09-2006, 02:03 PM
They opened their confrence to an orchestra game... then showed off a kiddie baseball game, tennis game, golf game, and driving game that didn't even look good. They looked like games for 10 year olds.

Mario looked great... But so did Sunshine (was a huge let down to me).

If you're not gonna make games for hardcore gamers, who the hell are you making games for? Mall booth gamers? We're all in this thread because we follow E3... I think that makes us hardcore. Why is it ok for them to make a glorified mall booth system?

EDIT -- I was against the DS at first, but I love my DS (even though I ran over my first one). I hate that they try to FORCE the DSs touch screen gimmick into every game weather it needs a touchscreen or not.

Medieval954
05-09-2006, 02:08 PM
They opened their confrence to an orchestra game... then showed off a kiddie baseball game, tennis game, golf game, and driving game that didn't even look good. They looked like games for 10 year olds.

Mario looked great... But so did Sunshine (was a huge let down to me).

If you're not gonna make games for hardcore gamers, who the hell are you making games for? Mall booth gamers? We're all in this thread because we follow E3... I think that makes us hardcore. Why is it ok for them to make a glorified mall booth system?

EDIT -- I was against the DS at first, but I love my DS (even though I ran over my first one). I hate that they try to FORCE the DSs touch screen gimmick into every game weather it needs a touchscreen or not.

We get it, you hate everything Nintendo stands for. Buy a PS3. :wink:

dQbell
05-09-2006, 02:12 PM
You're right about that.

While everything looked neat in their online interface, they should have shown the thing in use.

I can guarantee that Microsoft shows of the next wave of XBL features in their confrence today. They'll show some new game being played, and probly some neat video chat with the camera add on. It's gonna get crazy. People hate to admit it, but XBL is a tough act to follow.

Yeah rumors are that the camera attachment will be used today. I understand about not labeling wins and losses to these companies, but it is very interesting to me the methods in which they operate, thus giving them marketability or not.

I thought for certain that Wii would really make an impression along with the PS3, and then from that make the 360 look old. Both Nintendo and Sony have not shown anything of depth. It's mostly telling us theyi product is great. I got a very shallow feeling from both. it'll be very interesting, as you said, to see what MS puts before us.

mor911
05-09-2006, 02:12 PM
We get it, you hate everything Nintendo stands for. Buy a PS3. :wink: :lol: Not true. I love my DS. I love my GBA. I love my SNES. Hell, I'll go out on a limb and say that I loved my N64 and Gamecube at some point.

I hate the fact that they are going to try and sell a console for 1 or 2 games. When people buy a 360 or PS3, they say "I got game X, Y, and Z that I'm buying this year... I can't wait for game A, and B also..." On a Nintendo system it's more like, "I'll get Zelda and Metroid... If I want to play real games like Madden, Live, or any non-nintendo game... I'll play it on 360 or PS3." It sounds oddly familiar doesn't it? Oh, it's because that's the way the GC is now.

Medieval954
05-09-2006, 02:17 PM
:lol: Not true. I love my DS. I love my GBA. I love my SNES. Hell, I'll go out on a limb and say that I loved my N64 and Gamecube at some point.

I hate the fact that they are going to try and sell a console 1 or 2 games. When people buy a 360 or PS3, they say "I got game X, Y, and Z that I'm buying this year... I can't wait for game A, and B also..." On a Nintendo system it's more like, "I'll get Zelda and Metroid... If I want to play real games like Madden, Live, or any non-nintendo game... I'll play it on 360 or Xbox." It sounds oddly familiar doesn't it? Oh, it's because that's the way the GC is now.

Yeah, I know, I was just pushing your buttons. :goof:

And I know where you are coming from with what the Wii is targeted to. Like it or not, they are targeting the mall booth people. There are far more of those people than hardcore gamers. They kind of did it with the DS and they are trying to replicate that success on the Wii. I "get" what they are trying to do. Whether or not it catches on, well that will to be determined. But do you really want 3 consoles that do the exact same thing? I give them credit for trying to change and it does look like fun.

mor911
05-09-2006, 02:22 PM
Yeah, I know, I was just pushing your buttons. :goof:

And I know where you are coming from with what the Wii is targeted to. Like it or not, they are targeting the mall booth people. There are far more of those people than hardcore gamers. They kind of did it with the DS and they are trying to replicate that success on the Wii. I "get" what they are trying to do. Whether or not it catches on, well that will to be determined. But do you really want 3 consoles that do the exact same thing? I give them credit for trying to change and it does look like fun.
You're gonna hate me for saying this, but I'll say it.... No, I don't want 3 consoles that do the same thing. I want Nintendo to just do what they're good at. Right now there's probly 3 actual reasons they'll sell Wiis. Mario, Zelda, Metroid... Period. Nintendo obviously has a nack for making kick-a software. Why can't they just go the way of Sega and make Mario, Zelda, and Metroid for PS3 or 360? This way we can still get our Zelda and/or Metroid fix.... Without having to buy their gimmick of a console.

Medieval954
05-09-2006, 02:23 PM
The Microsoft conference is not going to be streamed live. Gamespot's feed is going to be tape delayed and won't come on until 4 pm (est). :fire:

mor911
05-09-2006, 02:27 PM
The Microsoft conference is not going to be streamed live. Gamespot's feed is going to be tape delayed and won't come on until 4 pm (est). :fire:
WTF?!?!?!

That's crap, WHY?

Medieval954
05-09-2006, 02:30 PM
You're gonna hate me for saying this, but I'll say it.... No, I don't want 3 consoles that do the same thing. I want Nintendo to just do what they're good at. Right now there's probly 3 actual reasons they'll sell Wiis. Mario, Zelda, Metroid... Period. Nintendo obviously has a nack for making kick-a software. Why can't they just go the way of Sega and make Mario, Zelda, and Metroid for PS3 or 360? This way we can still get our Zelda and/or Metroid fix.... Without having to buy their gimmick of a console.

I understand what you're saying. Obviously, Nintendo doesn't think they can compete with innovative graphics, so they are going to try and compete with innovative controls. Maybe in 5 years, if the Wii doesn't catch on, they will go back to the norm.

The DS will carry them through the next-gen anyway, they are making a killing on it and the games are great.

Just don't hold your breath on Nintendo going 3rd party. :cooldude:

Medieval954
05-09-2006, 02:31 PM
WTF?!?!?!

That's crap, WHY?

I don't know, I'm frantically looking for a feed.

mor911
05-09-2006, 02:34 PM
I understand what you're saying. Obviously, Nintendo doesn't think they can compete with innovative graphics, so they are going to try and compete with innvoative controls. Maybe in 5 years, if the Wii doesn't catch on, they will go back to the norm.

The DS will carry them through the next-gen anyway, they are making a killing on it and the games are great.

Just don't hold your breath on Nintendo going 3rd party. :cooldude:
Nintendo is damn near family owned, they're WAY too traditional to do that. I said that's what I'd want. I know as much as the next guy that it ain't gonna happen.

The DS will do great. FF3 is gonna be a killer. They need another Castlevania though.

Medieval954
05-09-2006, 02:38 PM
Nintendo is damn near family owned, they're WAY too traditional to do that. I said that's what I'd want. I know as much as the next guy that it ain't gonna happen.

The DS will do great. FF3 is gonna be a killer. They need another Castlevania though.

Now we're on the same page. :hi5:

Still no sign of a Microssoft feed, It's either read play by play or wait for the tape delay. :boohoo:

mor911
05-09-2006, 02:42 PM
Now we're on the same page. :hi5:

Still no sign of a Microssoft feed, It's either read play by play or wait for the tape delay. :boohoo:Miscrosoft is always pricks about live transmissions from their confrences. I'll be reading play by play and watch it later.

Medieval954
05-09-2006, 02:53 PM
They were playing Gears of War live at the conference.

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2006/05/DSC_2914JPG-1.jpg

:eek:

Stunning!



Joystiq is running play by play with pictures.

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/09/engadget-and-joystiqs-live-coverage-of-microsofts-xbox-360-e3-ev/

mor911
05-09-2006, 02:55 PM
OH MY GOD!!! I want to see the video SO bad!

mor911
05-09-2006, 02:57 PM
I'm so pissed! Gamespot just took a dump....

Medieval954
05-09-2006, 02:58 PM
Apparantly, the Halo 3 trailer is available to download on XBox Live Marketplace. Gaming forums are going insane.

mor911
05-09-2006, 03:00 PM
Apparantly, the Halo 3 trailer is available to download on XBox Live Marketplace. Gaming forums are going insane.
****! I'm at work!

Medieval954
05-09-2006, 03:02 PM
List of trailers on Xbox Live Marketplace to downlaod.

Splinter Cell
Fable 2
Crackdown
Shadowrun
Alan Wake
Viva Pinata
Forza 2
Gears of War
Too Human
Halo 3

:eek:

mor911
05-09-2006, 03:04 PM
Fable 2, Shadowrun, Forza 2, Halo3!!!! OMG That's one hell of a line up!

Medieval954
05-09-2006, 03:08 PM
This is insane, Microsoft is completely overwhelming everyone.

Screw you Gamespot for your tape delay! :fire:

mor911
05-09-2006, 03:10 PM
This is insane, Microsoft is completely overwhelming everyone.

Screw you Gamespot for your tape delay! :fire:
Oh god... Damn them for no live feed! Freaking live play by play makes it sound like Microsoft is actually doing a freaking show stopper.

mor911
05-09-2006, 03:16 PM
12:20: Moore announces first TV show on XBL Marketplace, the Gears of War experience, will be avaible tomorrow.

Can't wait to see it in action!

Medieval954
05-09-2006, 03:17 PM
Seems to have slowed down. Microsoft frontloaded everything like Nintendo's conference. Still can't wait to see that Gears of War playable. 30 more minutes until Gamespot is up. :D

mor911
05-09-2006, 03:18 PM
12:21: Moore whips out Xbox 360 HD-DVD peripheral--it looks like a mini Xbox 360 with a black front. The name is "Xbox 360 Player" and it will be available this holiday season.
Gonna get ugly!

Medieval954
05-09-2006, 03:18 PM
Can't wait to see it in action!

Cool. Now give me a price drop, and I'm all over an Xbox360. :cooldude:

mor911
05-09-2006, 03:19 PM
OMG!!!!


12:22: "Major announcement about one of greatest franchsies of all time." Says its so exciting that he has to take his shirt off. Shows Halo 2 tatto--GRAND THEFT AUTO IV tatoo on other arm. Grand Theft Auto IV October 16 to Xbox 360 ONLY.
I DID NOT SEE THAT COMING!!!

ChrisKo
05-09-2006, 03:19 PM
Xbox Vision will have interoperability with World Series of Poker, allowing players to watch each other.

Weeeeeeeeeee....guess they wanna match gimmick for gimmick with everyone else.

UltraDol-Fan
05-09-2006, 03:19 PM
List of trailers on Xbox Live Marketplace to downlaod.

Splinter Cell
Fable 2
Crackdown
Shadowrun
Alan Wake
Viva Pinata
Forza 2
Gears of War
Too Human
Halo 3

:eek:

:eek: , nice! Thank God the wife is working tonight, I can take time to download all this stuff. Also gotta download the new maps for PDZ (hopefully)

Miami 13
05-09-2006, 03:19 PM
From what I've heard, Microsoft is still yet to really impress me.

Medieval954
05-09-2006, 03:21 PM
Holy crap, Grand Theft Auto 4 to Xbox360 this year!!!!!

The trump card has been played!

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Well, looks like a Wii and Xbox360 for me. See you in a few years Sony, if you're still around.

mor911
05-09-2006, 03:21 PM
GTA4 in 5 months!!! I can't freakin wait. Rockstar signed exclusivity deal with Microsoft. HOLY CRAP!

mor911
05-09-2006, 03:22 PM
Holy crap, Grand Theft Auto 4 to Xbox360 this year!!!!!

The trump card has been played!

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Well, looks like a Wii and Xbox360 for me. See you in a few years Sony, if you're still around.
Dude... My jaw is on the floor!

Miami 13
05-09-2006, 03:24 PM
GTA only on XBOX 360?!!!!!!!!!!! What a F***ING JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!! F**K YOU ROCKSTAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

finsrule84
05-09-2006, 03:25 PM
it's official. sony lost this gen

ChrisKo
05-09-2006, 03:25 PM
GTA only on XBOX 360?!!!!!!!!!!! What a F***ING JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!! F**K YOU ROCKSTAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you say the same thing when Rockstar was exclusive to Sony? Calm down a little, not the end of the world.

ChrisKo
05-09-2006, 03:26 PM
it's official. sony lost this gen

Why, because of GTA?

I guess I've never been the big GTA fan, FF and VF5 draw me to a system more.

Medieval954
05-09-2006, 03:26 PM
Dude... My jaw is on the floor!

Me too. That is unthinkable Sony would let that happen. It's exclusive to Microsoft too, for God's sake!

Like I said, Xbox360 + Wii or PS3 for the same price.

No brainer now.

Microsoft wins E3.

dQbell
05-09-2006, 03:26 PM
This is huge...are we saying GTA only on 360 or one particular game in the works?

mor911
05-09-2006, 03:27 PM
Dude... Microsoft definitely went for the jugular with that. Everyone was expecting Halo3... WOW!

mor911
05-09-2006, 03:28 PM
This is huge...are we saying GTA only on 360 or one particular game in the works? They said that Rockstar signed an exclusivity deal with Microsoft... wow...

ChrisKo
05-09-2006, 03:28 PM
BTW, GTA 4 is Oct 16th 2007

Medieval954
05-09-2006, 03:29 PM
BTW, GTA 4 is Oct 16th 2007

Ah, good catch. Gamespot at first didn't specify a year. Still an amazing turn of events.

Motion
05-09-2006, 03:29 PM
GTA4 in 5 months!!! I can't freakin wait. Rockstar signed exclusivity deal with Microsoft. HOLY CRAP!

:boohoo:

Motion
05-09-2006, 03:30 PM
They said that Rockstar signed an exclusivity deal with Microsoft... wow...

No, can't be true. CAN'T BE!!!!!!!!

What a HUGE mistake by Rockstar.

Miami 13
05-09-2006, 03:31 PM
I have lost every bit of respect I have ever had with Rockstar.

Caps
05-09-2006, 03:31 PM
OMFG!!!!!

Wow... They just sold me an XBOX 360. Sorry Sony, looks like I won't be buying you until your price comes way down.

Medieval954
05-09-2006, 03:32 PM
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2006/05/DSC_3121JPG-1.jpg

Dagger to Sony.

Dol-Fan Dupree
05-09-2006, 03:33 PM
I have lost every bit of respect I have ever had with Rockstar.

Not a bad move by Microsoft and Rockstar. Right now the 360 has a bigger install base. Not big news to me since for some reason I just couldn't get into Vice City and San Andreas

Motion
05-09-2006, 03:40 PM
:fire: If you guys got me all worked up for nothing I'm gonna be pi$$ed!


On October 16th 2007 Grand Theft Auto 4 will be available on Xbox 360. There was no mention of an exclusive to 360.

Phins28
05-09-2006, 03:41 PM
I've downloaded Lost Planet for the 360, it's amazing, great grafics.

Caps
05-09-2006, 03:42 PM
:fire: If you guys got me all worked up for nothing I'm gonna be pi$$ed!
I just saw that, and then on Gamespot, it says it will only be on 360. I don't know what to believe...

ChrisKo
05-09-2006, 03:44 PM
12:22: "Major announcement about one of greatest franchsies of all time." Says its so exciting that he has to take his shirt off. Shows Halo 2 tatto--GRAND THEFT AUTO IV tatoo on other arm. Grand Theft Auto IV October 16 2007 to Xbox 360 ONLY.

Caps
05-09-2006, 03:44 PM
GTA4 may not be exclusive. (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6149747.html)

Deus Ex Dolphin
05-09-2006, 03:45 PM
:sidelol:

Tough couple days for Sony fans. First you find out the real PS3 (not the crippled version that lacks all those features) will cost you $600, that Sony has revamped the PS3 controller with a crappy gyro function and TAKEN OUT the rumble function, then MS and GTA...

Who will be buying the PS3 at launch anyway? Most of you here are hardcore gamers, yet no one has said that that $600 price is no big deal, instead you're gonna wait for a price drop or two???

MS now has a good shot at taking this generation, especially if the Wii takes sales away from the PS3 in Japan where the Xbox 360 will struggle.

Medieval954
05-09-2006, 03:45 PM
:fire: If you guys got me all worked up for nothing I'm gonna be pi$$ed!

Yes, there are conflicting reports. Maybe it's a timed exclusive to Microsoft like Rockstar did for Sony last gen? Then again, why wouldn't Sony mention they are getting it as well in their press conference?

The plot thickens.

mor911
05-09-2006, 03:45 PM
I don't understand why people are saying Rockstar made a big mistake... for all we know they evaluated both machines and like the 360 better... Or maybe there are more 360s out there. Or maybe there's a whole heep of money involved. Either way, how's it a bad move for Rockstar?

ChrisKo
05-09-2006, 03:49 PM
I will be buying a PS3 at launch. I would have bought a 360 at launch if I wasn't unemployeed at the time. I haven't bought a 360 yet because there isn't a game that I want to play just yet.

Dol-Fan Dupree
05-09-2006, 03:49 PM
:sidelol:

Tough couple days for Sony fans. First you find out the real PS3 (not the crippled version that lacks all those features) will cost you $600, that Sony has revamped the PS3 controller with a crappy gyro function and TAKEN OUT the rumble function, then MS and GTA...

Who will be buying the PS3 at launch anyway? Most of you here are hardcore gamers, yet no one has said that that $600 price is no big deal, instead you're gonna wait for a price drop or two???

MS now has a good shot at taking this generation, especially if the Wii takes sales away from the PS3 in Japan where the Xbox 360 will struggle.

I have yet to meet someone who likes the rumble function. I have met people who don't mind it. However I have never met someone who said, "Man the rumble function really added a lot to gaming." I know most people turn it off. I turned it off one day for the Xbox and don't really notice losing it. My point, Rumble shumble.

FFXIII isn't going to be out at launch, I will be playing Madden on my Xbox, so I am not getting a PS3 at launch. Not that I could anyways.

dQbell
05-09-2006, 03:50 PM
GTA4 may not be exclusive. (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6149747.html)

Good post. It seems what is outlined as exclusive is downloadable content. It will however be on Xbox first. For so long Sony had this, now the tables have turned. It's a big step for 360.

Dol-Fan Dupree
05-09-2006, 03:50 PM
I will be buying a PS3 at launch. I would have bought a 360 at launch if I wasn't unemployeed at the time. I haven't bought a 360 yet because there isn't a game that I want to play just yet.

Well I am employeed and still am. Can go out and buy a 360 right now. So far I don't see a game that I really want. Oblivion looks cool, but I am going to upgrade my computer this fall or winter, I can just play that then.

mor911
05-09-2006, 03:51 PM
UPDATE!!!



I get the official Rockstar Games announcement of Grand Theft Auto IV in my e-mail--it says that the game will be release simultaneously on Xbox 360 and PS3. Moore said it was coming to 360 first.

ChrisKo
05-09-2006, 03:51 PM
12:54: I get the official Rockstar Games announcement of Grand Theft Auto IV in my e-mail--it says that the game will be release simultaneously on Xbox 360 and PS3. Moore said it was coming to 360 first. What the...?

Medieval954
05-09-2006, 03:51 PM
Ok, the official site has it listed as coming to the PS3 as well.

http://www.rockstargames.com/grandtheftauto4/

Now the question is, does Microsoft have a timed exclusive window or are they both coming out on the same day? And if they are, why didn't Sony say anything? It doesn't make sense.

ChrisKo
05-09-2006, 03:52 PM
Jinx!

Caps
05-09-2006, 03:53 PM
Oh thank god...

mor911
05-09-2006, 03:53 PM
Maybe exclusive to downloadable content? Now Mor's confused.

Medieval954
05-09-2006, 03:53 PM
Halo 3 trailer pic someone took...

Edit: Pic was taken down by host.

dQbell
05-09-2006, 03:54 PM
Ok, the official site has it listed as coming to the PS3 as well.

http://www.rockstargames.com/grandtheftauto4/

Now the question is, does Microsoft have a timed exclusive window or are they both coming out on the same day? And if they are, why didn't Sony say anything? It doesn't make sense.

MS has exclusive downloadable content rights.

Medieval954
05-09-2006, 03:55 PM
MS has exclusive downloadable content rights.

Gotcha, thanks for clearing that up.

ChrisKo
05-09-2006, 03:55 PM
So if MS doesn't get any exclusive game from Rockstar, did they really win anything with this Press Event? Other than Halo 3 trailer, I'm not sure what else was worth it.

Miami 13
05-09-2006, 03:56 PM
THANK GOD THAT ROCKSTAR HAS IT LISTED AS A PS3 GAME ASWELL. I feel Extremely relieved now.

mor911
05-09-2006, 03:56 PM
I still say that Microsoft had the best E3 so far.

ChrisKo
05-09-2006, 03:58 PM
I don't, FF XIII and VF5 exclusive to the PS3 as well as MGS4 and the PSP updates make Sony the winner to me. I think the price point is what hurt Sony the most, but they are packing a lot into that machine.

EDIT - I should add, I am a huge MS supporter and MS coder. My brother-in-law even works for MS, so I've got a lot of allegance there. But then again, this is all opinion, so what does it matter.

Medieval954
05-09-2006, 03:59 PM
So if MS doesn't get any exclusive game from Rockstar, did they really win anything with this Press Event? Other than Halo 3 trailer, I'm not sure what else was worth it.

Taking away Sony's biggest exclusive gun from last gen is quite a coup. Sony still has MSG4 and FXIII, but the entry price point is still ridiculous. Assuming Xbox360 sees a price drop in the fall and Wii comes in at the speculated $249 (or even less), things still aren't looking too good for Sony right about now.

Freakin Gamespot feed is for subscribers only. The free feed comes on at 5 pm (est). :fire:

I'll just wait for G4's E3 coverage at 6 pm.

mor911
05-09-2006, 03:59 PM
I don't, FF XIII and VF5 exclusive to the PS3 as well as MGS4 and the PSP updates make Sony the winner to me. I think the price point is what hurt Sony the most, but they are packing a lot into that machine.
None of that stuff was playable. None of that stuff wil be available till late 07 or 08. Gears of War was on screen and look phenomenal.

ChrisKo
05-09-2006, 04:01 PM
Confirmation.

http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3story.html?sid=6149747

mor911
05-09-2006, 04:03 PM
So I'm guessing it'll be like GTA has been with PS2 and Xbox... Released for 360 and 6-8 months later for the PS3... Still a great move by Miscrosoft. GTA is the leading console game series (in sales) to date.

ChrisKo
05-09-2006, 04:04 PM
You are correct, none of the games I listed were playable and won't be available until later, but I still feel Sony is lining up more than MS at this time.

Gears of War does look amazing, but I ferociously (ya...that bad) hate FPSs on consoles. I was a hardcore Q3 player and invested way too much time in my keyboard mouse skills to invest that same amount of time to transfer it to a gamepad. Just can't flick my aim as quickly using a gamepad.

That is the reason that FPS games really don't decide consoles in my opinion. I'm much more impressed with RPG and Fighting games.

dQbell
05-09-2006, 04:04 PM
XBL Marketplace games:

Contra
Frogger
Pac-Man
Sonic
Time Pilot from Konomi
Ultimate Mortal Kombat
Rootbeer Tapper

Miami 13
05-09-2006, 04:05 PM
I now say they will be released at the same time for both consoles.

ChrisKo
05-09-2006, 04:05 PM
So I'm guessing it'll be like GTA has been with PS2 and Xbox... Released for 360 and 6-8 months later for the PS3... Still a great move by Miscrosoft. GTA is the leading console game series (in sales) to date.

UPDATE

At its pre-E3 press conference, Microsoft confirmed that the next Grand Theft Auto is coming to the Xbox 360 in October of next year. In an official announcement, Rockstar Games confirmed simultaneous launch on PS3.
Posted 12:37 pm PT May 9

Good lord, what a nightmare of press release. Get it straight people.

ChrisKo
05-09-2006, 04:06 PM
XBL Marketplace games:

Contra
Frogger
Pac-Man
Sonic
Time Pilot from Konomi
Ultimate Mortal Kombat
Rootbeer Tapper

Ya, If I didn't already own the Arcade PCBs for MKI, MKII, UMKIII, and SFA2, I'd be all over that.

dQbell
05-09-2006, 04:07 PM
Things like this impress me

"Marketplace will be available on all systems. Now you can download content like Zuma onto your mobile phone. As an example Major Nelson mails a custom car from his phone to a PC. Then begins to customize it on the PC and throws it into the game."

Medieval954
05-09-2006, 04:08 PM
UPDATE

At its pre-E3 press conference, Microsoft confirmed that the next Grand Theft Auto is coming to the Xbox 360 in October of next year. In an official announcement, Rockstar Games confirmed simultaneous launch on PS3.
Posted 12:37 pm PT May 9

Good lord, what a nightmare of press release. Get it straight people.

:sidelol:

I think Sony and Microsoft are still tossing money at Rockstar as we speak and Rockstar is changing the press release based on how much they can count.

dQbell
05-09-2006, 04:09 PM
Ya, If I didn't already own the Arcade PCBs for MKI, MKII, UMKIII, and SFA2, I'd be all over that.

The thing is...will it be online in the sense that you can fight others. Street Fighter will have that capability.

Caps
05-09-2006, 04:10 PM
So basically, Microsoft just lied right to our faces. Thanks for giving me a heart attack MS, you *******s.

mor911
05-09-2006, 04:10 PM
You are correct, none of the games I listed were playable and won't be available until later, but I still feel Sony is lining up more than MS at this time.

Gears of War does look amazing, but I ferociously (ya...that bad) hate FPSs on consoles. I was a hardcore Q3 player and invested way too much time in my keyboard mouse skills to invest that same amount of time to transfer it to a gamepad. Just can't flick my aim as quickly using a gamepad.

That is the reason that FPS games really don't decide consoles in my opinion. I'm much more impressed with RPG and Fighting games. So my question to you is this... If all of the good games are coming in the furture, and everything is being setup for the future.... Who the hell is going to buy the thing in November for $500-$600? What in the world does Sony plan to give people in November? Those two sword slashing (Dynasty Warrior clones?) games? They need to sell some consoles. Sony's E3 showing was terrible. They actually showed nothing. The controller thing was good (so Nintendo boys could let go of the whole "innovation" craze), but they showed no great games. For god sakes, their playable demo was a suped up PS2 game.

Motion
05-09-2006, 04:12 PM
So basically, Microsoft just lied right to our faces. Thanks for giving me a heart attack MS, you *******s.

:lol: Yeah really, I'm quite relieved now.

Dol-Fan Dupree
05-09-2006, 04:13 PM
So my question to you is this... If all of the good games are coming in the furture, and everything is being setup for the future.... Who the hell is going to buy the thing in November for $500-$600? What in the world does Sony plan to give people in November? Those two sword slashing (Dynasty Warrior clones?) games? They need to sell some consoles. Sony's E3 showing was terrible. They actually showed nothing. The controller thing was good (so Nintendo boys could let go of the whole "innovation" craze), but they showed no great games.

answer that question for all of the last console launches since the ps2? In fact I have seen them go for over $1000.

Motion
05-09-2006, 04:14 PM
I don't understand why people are saying Rockstar made a big mistake... for all we know they evaluated both machines and like the 360 better... Or maybe there are more 360s out there. Or maybe there's a whole heep of money involved. Either way, how's it a bad move for Rockstar?

Because unless Gates is handing over half his fortune, the smart thing to do, which apparently now they are, is launch on both.

mor911
05-09-2006, 04:15 PM
That has only happened with the 360 (maybe the PSP)... And that's because the 360 had no competition. The PS3 will heavy competion from that TV remote totting device and the 360 (Which is likely to be sporting a new lower price tag).

Motion
05-09-2006, 04:15 PM
:sidelol:

Tough couple days for Sony fans. First you find out the real PS3 (not the crippled version that lacks all those features) will cost you $600, that Sony has revamped the PS3 controller with a crappy gyro function and TAKEN OUT the rumble function, then MS and GTA...

Who will be buying the PS3 at launch anyway? Most of you here are hardcore gamers, yet no one has said that that $600 price is no big deal, instead you're gonna wait for a price drop or two???

MS now has a good shot at taking this generation, especially if the Wii takes sales away from the PS3 in Japan where the Xbox 360 will struggle.

I'll be buying on launch day, could care less about the rumble, and still think MS has a LONG way to go to even catch up.

mor911
05-09-2006, 04:16 PM
Because unless Gates is handing over half his fortune, the smart thing to do, which apparently now they are, is launch on both.
But if they had said GTA4 will be exclusive to the PS3 ONLY, wou;d guys have said "OMG!! WTF ROCKSTAR?!?!?! YOU ****ED UP BAD!!!"???

dQbell
05-09-2006, 04:16 PM
So basically, Microsoft just lied right to our faces. Thanks for giving me a heart attack MS, you *******s.

Umm, you posted the link that gave us the info about what Peter Moore said. It's obvious in his words that they didn't have exclusive rights tot he game. How dumb would it be to lie about it when Rockstar has it on their website?

Medieval954
05-09-2006, 04:18 PM
So my question to you is this... If all of the good games are coming in the furture, and everything is being setup for the future.... Who the hell is going to buy the thing in November for $500-$600? What in the world does Sony plan to give people in November? Those two sword slashing (Dynasty Warrior clones?) games? They need to sell some consoles. Sony's E3 showing was terrible. They actually showed nothing. The controller thing was good (so Nintendo boys could let go of the whole "innovation" craze), but they showed no great games. For god sakes, their playable demo was a suped up PS2 game.

Just to be clear, there is no way Sony's controller can do what Nintendo's can. Not after seeing Nintendo's conference. The technology is in 2 different leagues.

Sony dropped the ball. They took what the other 2 offered and tried to make it their own except their controller isn't in the same league as Nintendo's and their online isn't in the same league as Microsoft's.

They better hope Blu-ray movies catch on, and quickly.

Motion
05-09-2006, 04:18 PM
E3 2006: Grand Theft Auto IV Official
The next-generation of crime adventure is now a PS3 reality.

:goof:

Medieval954
05-09-2006, 04:20 PM
Halo 3 trailer!!!!

http://download.microsoft.com/download/5/b/3/5b3d8532-65bc-4bf6-b5ea-6ba0f2084d74/h3_e32006_announce_small.mov

:eek:

Dol-Fan Dupree
05-09-2006, 04:20 PM
That has only happened with the 360 (maybe the PSP)... And that's because the 360 had no competition. The PS3 will heavy competion from that TV remote totting device and the 360 (Which is likely to be sporting a new lower price tag).

WHere were you? It happened with the PS2 when it was launched. Systems were going for over $1000 during the first day. They finally slowed down to $600 in a couple of weeks. In fact months later you could find a PS2 and make 50 to 100 dollars on Ebay. Then it happened with the Xbox even though PS2 was already in heavy rotation AND with just as weak of a launch as the PS2. Unless you think Whacked was a great game.

It then happened with the 360 and it is going to happen with the ps3.

Motion
05-09-2006, 04:21 PM
But if they had said GTA4 will be exclusive to the PS3 ONLY, wou;d guys have said "OMG!! WTF ROCKSTAR?!?!?! YOU ****ED UP BAD!!!"???

Personally, no. Because I've always thought that Sony has DOMINATED the games race and that would have been a major blow to that. There are aboslutely no games out now, and only a few future titles that would have me even consider buying a 360 for, had GTA been exclusive I would have bought one in a heartbeat.

Caps
05-09-2006, 04:23 PM
Umm, you posted the link that gave us the info about what Peter Moore said. It's obvious in his words that they didn't have exclusive rights tot he game. How dumb would it be to lie about it when Rockstar has it on their website?

It seemed like at the very least they would be the beneficiaries of a timed release by the way they presented their conference. He conveniently left out the part about a simultaneous launch out of the equation. Not out and out lying per se, but definitely purposeful deception.

ChrisKo
05-09-2006, 04:24 PM
The thing is...will it be online in the sense that you can fight others. Street Fighter will have that capability.

No, but my local friends come over anytime they want and we throw down. SFII and UMK3 on the arcade live are still not going to make me buy a 360. At this point, I'm not sure what games coming out will. I'll just keep trying all the new games at my brother-in-laws until one catches my fancy.

mor911
05-09-2006, 04:25 PM
WHere were you? It happened with the PS2 when it was launched. Systems were going for over $1000 during the first day. They finally slowed down to $600 in a couple of weeks. In fact months later you could find a PS2 and make 50 to 100 dollars on Ebay. Then it happened with the Xbox even though PS2 was already in heavy rotation AND with just as weak of a launch as the PS2. Unless you think Whacked was a great game.

It then happened with the 360 and it is going to happen with the ps3.
I know it happened for the PS2, but it didn't happen for the Xbox. The Xbox didn't sell well at launch. DSs were going for hundreds, but never crossed the $1K mark.

ChrisKo
05-09-2006, 04:31 PM
So my question to you is this... If all of the good games are coming in the furture, and everything is being setup for the future.... Who the hell is going to buy the thing in November for $500-$600? What in the world does Sony plan to give people in November? Those two sword slashing (Dynasty Warrior clones?) games? They need to sell some consoles. Sony's E3 showing was terrible. They actually showed nothing. The controller thing was good (so Nintendo boys could let go of the whole "innovation" craze), but they showed no great games. For god sakes, their playable demo was a suped up PS2 game.

I still believe Sony will reveal some better launch titles later int he year closer to launch time. They haven't released a launch title list, so we'll have to wait and see. I can't say Sony's E3 event was terrible, but it showed me more than what what MS has shown. Gears of War was shown in non-playable form before 360 launch and they just now got a playable version, did you say the same thing prior to 360 launch? Other than a playable Gears of War, what other game did they show playable? They focused a large portion of their event on Vista and mobile support for Live. That doesn't really impress me.

Maybe once I can see a stream of the MS event, I will feel better about their event. But based on what I was able to read, I felt Sony had a stronger showing. Again, this is all opinion and not really meant to start any console war because those are so boring and worn out. I'm not a fan boy of any system (until Sega returns to the hardware market, Dreamcast forever!).

dQbell
05-09-2006, 04:32 PM
No, but my local friends come over anytime they want and we throw down. SFII and UMK3 on the arcade live are still not going to make me buy a 360. At this point, I'm not sure what games coming out will. I'll just keep trying all the new games at my brother-in-laws until one catches my fancy.

By no means do I think XBL Arcade is a persuader to buy a 360. But, what you have here is classic games with online capabilities, offered at great prices and easily downloaded. It's a great concept that has proven successful.

Medieval954
05-09-2006, 04:45 PM
Well, this has been a fun past 24 hours. Can't wait to see some of this stuff on G4. Time for the fanboy mudslinging to begin. :goof:

mor911
05-09-2006, 04:50 PM
I'm just a fan of games... I know I'll have all 3 consoles eventually. The question is, which will I play most?

Deus Ex Dolphin
05-09-2006, 05:02 PM
Good to know Sony fans are still intent on getting a PS3 at launch, I'll have one or two on Ebay if things go as planned. :evil:

Remember, price is NO OBJECT to the true Sony fan, so I'm thinking $1500 or more...

GTA exclusive would have been HUGE, based on reactions in this thread, but even getting it at the same time as the PS3 is a big plus for Xbox fans (though I've never bought a GTA game) instead of waiting 6 months or more. The exclusive download content though? New sections of a city to explore? More missions? Weapons? Outfits? It could a BIG plus for the Xbox 360 version if used correctly.

Medieval954
05-09-2006, 05:08 PM
Holy crap at the Nintendo DS stuff!

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/e3_2006/ds/index.html

I'm going to go broke. :boohoo:

The Hotel Dusk detective game looks brilliant. :eek:

Dol-Fan Dupree
05-09-2006, 05:09 PM
I can't wait till Thursday morning when they talk about Madden.

Miami 13
05-09-2006, 05:31 PM
Holy crap at the Nintendo DS stuff!

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/e3_2006/ds/index.html

I'm going to go broke. :boohoo:

The Hotel Dusk detective game looks brilliant. :eek:
Rofl, all those games look like crap.

Medieval954
05-09-2006, 05:40 PM
Rofl, all those games look like crap.

http://www.lenscrafters.com