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phinphan896
07-27-2006, 11:02 AM
I dont understand why NFL rookies want such long contracts. Its actually not that smart if you think about it. They would be better off signing a three year deal like the NBA and then sign a long term deal worth alot of money. Think about it. If they sign a three year deal then by the time their twenty five theyll be ready for a big fat five year deal. Because their so young when they sign their second contract teams will have to honor them or risk losing a good player. NFL players are still great when their 28 and 29 so a team wouldnt want to cut them. By the time their 30 they can still sign another three year contract for quite a bit of money. Instead they decided to sign a three six year deal and become free agents when they are thirty or 29. This means when they want their long term contract most teams will give it to them but put most of the money in the last two years because they know the player will be too old by then and will probably have been cut by then. Thats why in basketball Carmelo Anthony got his big check. He played for three years for abou seven or eight million and now is getting paid 80 million over five or six years.

LtDan
07-27-2006, 11:06 AM
Who said rookies want long contracts? 3 years is the norm and the Fins usually like to sign their rookies for 4 years?

phinphan896
07-27-2006, 11:06 AM
Who said rookies want long contracts? 3 years is the norm and the Fins usually like to sign their rookies for 4 years?
Ronnie got six years last year and so did mario williams. i think they wanted it or they wouldnt have signed

Bjorn
07-27-2006, 11:07 AM
I dont understand why NFL rookies want such long contracts. Its actually not that smart if you think about it. They would be better off signing a three year deal like the NBA and then sign a long term deal worth alot of money. Think about it. If they sign a three year deal then by the time their twenty five theyll be ready for a big fat five year deal. Because their so young when they sign their second contract teams will have to honor them or risk losing a good player. NFL players are still great when their 28 and 29 so a team wouldnt want to cut them. By the time their 30 they can still sign another three year contract for quite a bit of money. Instead they decided to sign a three six year deal and become free agents when they are thirty or 29. This means when they want their long term contract most teams will give it to them but put most of the money in the last two years because they know the player will be too old by then and will probably have been cut by then. Thats why in basketball Carmelo Anthony got his big check. He played for three years for abou seven or eight million and now is getting paid 80 million over five or six years.

I think that the rookies want shorter contracts, and the teams want longer contracts because it's cheaper for them if they get a gem.

JPenedo
07-27-2006, 11:07 AM
I think you have the right explanation but have it wrong in the beginning. That is the reason big time rookies hold out. They want a short contract with lots of pay. That is the reason Jason Allen is taking so logn right now. His agent wants a very short deal with large sums of money.

If you are talking about other rookies though that I am unfamiliar with, maybe it is because they dont think they will become that great of a player. They want to be with that orginization and be sure, in case anything goes wrong or if they suck, that they will still be doing okay.

...all unproven what I am saying except for Jason Allen part though so no clue...

TexPhinPhan
07-27-2006, 11:12 AM
Part of the hold up during the collective bargaining process was the union's desire to stop teams from forcing late round draft picks from signing 4 year deals. Unlike the top round guys who get lots of cash and longer deals, the later round guys have no leverage. Teams try to sign them to longer deals because if it turns out they can play, team gets lots of value in 4th year because as late round pick the salaries in the contract are not high. If player cannot play, he can be cut before term of contract is over with no cap repercussions to the team because no signing bonus acceleration.

I do not believe that the union got the change.

Texphinphan

phinphan896
07-27-2006, 11:15 AM
Part of the hold up during the collective bargaining process was the union's desire to stop teams from forcing late round draft picks from signing 4 year deals. Unlike the top round guys who get lots of cash and longer deals, the later round guys have no leverage. Teams try to sign them to longer deals because if it turns out they can play, team gets lots of value in 4th year because as late round pick the salaries in the contract are not high. If player cannot play, he can be cut before term of contract is over with no cap repercussions to the team because no signing bonus acceleration.

I do not believe that the union got the change.

Texphinphan
theyve got to put a max on rookie contracts. too many busts are eating up the cap. LeBron never got that much as a rookie and he was a phenom.

TexPhinPhan
07-27-2006, 11:17 AM
Not a lot of things that the NBA can teach the NFL, but I do like the slotted salaries for Rookies that the NBA uses. Those guys still go tons of money, but there is certainity in the system and no hold outs.

phinphan896
07-27-2006, 11:22 AM
Not a lot of things that the NBA can teach the NFL, but I do like the slotted salaries for Rookies that the NBA uses. Those guys still go tons of money, but there is certainity in the system and no hold outs.
The NFL is actually unfair to its players so i think they should get as much as they can take. The NFL has too change its policy towards cutting players and honoring contracts. If i didnt know any better id say that the labor union was working for the nfl commissioner and not the players.