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thecoordinator
08-07-2006, 11:44 AM
bills just released LB posey. i would love for us to bring him in and have a look. he is a 3-4 type LB and it's not like we have the best corps anyway. does anyone know if he is free to sign with anyone or it is like a waiver situation and its worst record gets first chance to sign him?

http://www.buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=3939

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MiamiDolfan
08-07-2006, 11:56 AM
i totally agree the bills only released him cause they have angelo crowell who steped up big time 4 them i say we snatch him because hes pretty good and we dont have a definent for our lolb position

DolfanDane
08-07-2006, 12:01 PM
yeah right we have enough bills on our team i hate the bills lets not turn into them

Disgustipate
08-07-2006, 12:05 PM
That's actually a FA linebacker I'd be interested in seeing Miami get. He's a good strongside OLB.

nick1
08-07-2006, 12:08 PM
don't know anything about him

Dolfan1000
08-07-2006, 12:10 PM
I doubt we sign him. Between Spragan, Hodge and Newman, we should be fine. The guy would have to learn the defense in a month, which is no easy task.

ckparrothead
08-07-2006, 12:12 PM
Tough one. If he'd been released earlier, maybe. But our depth problems are at WLB and MLB, where basically Derrick Pope is backing up both spots by himself.

Perfect23
08-07-2006, 12:15 PM
wont happen

MDFINFAN
08-07-2006, 12:20 PM
don't know anything about him

You don't know posey??:confused: As much as we've played the bill's.

STANK-STASH
08-07-2006, 12:21 PM
It's too late IMO.

nolimit
08-07-2006, 12:41 PM
You don't know posey??:confused: As much as we've played the bill's.

I cant blame him. most of the bills fans do not know posey. you never heard a peep from him. not on the field nor off. he just kinda was "there".

Se7eN
08-07-2006, 12:43 PM
i wouldnt mind having him he's def an upgrade but i doubt it happens

tcdrover
08-07-2006, 12:44 PM
With Malaurky here in Miami, I've got to believe that if Posey was worth getting we will get him.

If he's not, Saban will have inside info on why not...

tmny99
08-07-2006, 12:59 PM
Tough one. If he'd been released earlier, maybe. But our depth problems are at WLB and MLB, where basically Derrick Pope is backing up both spots by himself.

Word is Labinjo has been looking good backing up at MLB.

NYPhinFan
08-07-2006, 01:00 PM
With Malaurky here in Miami, I've got to believe that if Posey was worth getting we will get him.

If he's not, Saban will have inside info on why not...
You also have to remember that Capers was his head coach in Houston.

ckparrothead
08-07-2006, 01:07 PM
Word is Labinjo has been looking good backing up at MLB.

He got paid last year. The coaches felt he was worthy of collecting game checks. That's about as big a compliment as you can get, when you're in the position of fighting for a final roster space. Indeed, right now I do have him penciled in as our 7th LB.

ckparrothead
08-07-2006, 01:08 PM
You also have to remember that Capers was his head coach in Houston.

Good point. But, getting Posey would likely seal Hodge's fate on the roster...and I think Mueller would not be happy about not giving Hodge a chance to at least prove it during preseason games.

Dolfan1000
08-07-2006, 01:10 PM
If signed, I see the battle being between he and Keith Newman and not so much with Hodge. Still, the season starts in one month so he would have to learn the system and prove to the coaches he deserves a roster spot over Keith in that short period of time. I just don't see it.

NYPhinFan
08-07-2006, 01:10 PM
Good point. But, getting Posey would likely seal Hodge's fate on the roster...and I think Mueller would not be happy about not giving Hodge a chance to at least prove it during preseason games.
Do you think by getting Posey..Hodge would be gone?

NYPhinFan
08-07-2006, 01:12 PM
If signed, I see the battle being between he and Keith Newman and not so much with Hodge. Still, the season starts in one month so he would have to learn the system and prove to the coaches he deserves a roster spot over Keith in that short period of time. I just don't see it.
He is a much better fit in the 3-4 system and with Capers there..I think Posey would be able to follow what he did in Houston..I am just looking for any kind of talent upgrade. When available..you do it.

ch19079
08-07-2006, 01:14 PM
hes overrated, and hes not even thought of that highly... so that should tell you something about him.

This is the first i have heard of Posey being released, but we all saw it comming.

He was OK for us, played his position, filled his gap, but never excelled at anything, and definatly never got nearly as many sacks as he got with the texans 3-4 Defense.

if you want him, take him, but he will never be an above average starter.

ckparrothead
08-07-2006, 01:18 PM
Do you think by getting Posey..Hodge would be gone?

Hard to say. Hodge was signed to be a coverage specialist but he has not been excelling in camp. Posey and Newman are similar so you'd think they would be competing.

Capers has experience with both players. He should be able to give some input.

Either way our depth at LB is not very good.

Dolfan1000
08-07-2006, 01:18 PM
hes overrated, and hes not even thought of that highly... so that should tell you something about him.

This is the first i have heard of Posey being released, but we all saw it comming.

He was OK for us, played his position, filled his gap, but never excelled at anything, and definatly never got nearly as many sacks as he got with the texans 3-4 Defense.

if you want him, take him, but he will never be an above average starter.

Sounds a lot like Morlon Greenwood. If he did excel in Houston's 3-4, then Miami seems like an ideal fit (Capers, and the 3-4). But I still think it is too late to pick up the system sufficiently.

Mcganiel
08-07-2006, 01:30 PM
Will not happen! To late.

thecoordinator
08-07-2006, 01:37 PM
i dont follow you guys that are talking about it's too late to add him to the mix. this guy is a 3-4 LB with 3-4 experience in san francisco and houston under capers' scheme and has more nfl starts aside from zach than the rest of our LB corps combined. it's just funny because you're the same guys that, had allen signed today, would be talking about how there is enough time for him to get the system down and contribute early in the season, yet an 8 year nfl vet with previous exp in a 3-4 can't do it ?

jlfin
08-07-2006, 01:37 PM
i totally agree the bills only released him cause they have angelo crowell who steped up big time 4 them i say we snatch him because hes pretty good and we dont have a definent for our lolb position

He's no better than Hodge or Newman

jlfin
08-07-2006, 01:38 PM
hes overrated, and hes not even thought of that highly... so that should tell you something about him.

This is the first i have heard of Posey being released, but we all saw it comming.

He was OK for us, played his position, filled his gap, but never excelled at anything, and definatly never got nearly as many sacks as he got with the texans 3-4 Defense.

if you want him, take him, but he will never be an above average starter.

Agreed. Just another name

Nappy Roots
08-07-2006, 01:39 PM
He's no better than Hodge or Newman


i disagree, i think hes a much better fit in our scheme then those 2. i dont know if its to late to sign him, but id take him over Hodge and Newman.

PhinFan0202
08-07-2006, 01:41 PM
don't know anything about him

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/4109

I don't really think we need him as of this moment. We have a younger version of what he is in Matt Roth. The only way that i see us going after him if if we cut Zgonina. Would he play LB in our scheme?

Nappy Roots
08-07-2006, 01:43 PM
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/4109

I don't really think we need him as of this moment. We have a younger version of what he is in Matt Roth. The only way that i see us going after him if if we cut Zgonina.


hes a LB

305TillIDie
08-07-2006, 01:44 PM
James Posey?













:chuckle:

djfresh47
08-07-2006, 01:49 PM
Posey was kinda just there in Buffalo. While in Houston he was a much better player and was noticeable.

PhinFan0202
08-07-2006, 01:57 PM
hes a LB

I just figured that out. Why does it say that he's a DE?

Dolfan1000
08-07-2006, 02:05 PM
i dont follow you guys that are talking about it's too late to add him to the mix. this guy is a 3-4 LB with 3-4 experience in san francisco and houston under capers' scheme and has more nfl starts aside from zach than the rest of our LB corps combined. it's just funny because you're the same guys that, had allen signed today, would be talking about how there is enough time for him to get the system down and contribute early in the season, yet an 8 year nfl vet with previous exp in a 3-4 can't do it ?

If only it were that easy... "Well, he played in the 3-4, so he will be fine". NFL systems go far and beyond merely a 3-4 or a 4-3. This is Saban's defense, not Capers. The two versions of the 3-4 could differ dramatically in language alone, requiring months of learning and studying to grasp. Jason Allen on the other hand, has his playbook. He has had it since April 29th. He has practiced with the team and he has attended meetings. There is no comparing the two situations. Posey may very well be a quick learner, but any player would have trouble learning a new system in just a month. Not saying its impossible, but he would also have to prove he is a better fit than Hodge and Newman, who have had months to show their worth.

PhinsRock
08-07-2006, 02:08 PM
If Capers and Saban want him, I'm sure they'll pick him up.

jp2lee783
08-07-2006, 02:14 PM
He was consistant in Buffalo. But in the new Tampa-2 style defense his size no longer gives him the advantage at the Strong Side Lineback Position. Now there is not much different between the WLB and the SLB as opposed to the old one where a big man was needed forthe job. I wanted to see him get a shot at DE before he was cut.

late again
08-07-2006, 02:20 PM
I just figured that out. Why does it say that he's a DE?

He's one of those DE/LBs. He's like 6'4 so depending on the D scheme, he'll either line up upright off the line or as a down lineman on the end. I don't know if he's better than who we already have, though. What I wonder, however is he a better option than say, David Bowens? Anyone have any opinions?

BuffaloBills06
08-07-2006, 03:14 PM
I just figured that out. Why does it say that he's a DE?In college he was a DE, he was converted to a LB/situational pass rushing DE in the pro's.

NHphinfan13
08-07-2006, 03:23 PM
no, what is it with you people, everytime someone gets cut from a team we should bring them in, no man. we are not a friggin expansion team.:shakeno:
we're good with what we got let us at least evaluate the guys we have in game situations. we have some good young talent as well as capable veterans.

No to Bill Cast offs, if he's not good enough on their team he isn't welcome here.:dolphins:

thecoordinator
08-07-2006, 03:30 PM
If only it were that easy... "Well, he played in the 3-4, so he will be fine". NFL systems go far and beyond merely a 3-4 or a 4-3. This is Saban's defense, not Capers. The two versions of the 3-4 could differ dramatically in language alone, requiring months of learning and studying to grasp.

it is that easy man. this isn't about terminology. it's about a player that fits a certain role very nicely. posey is a gap control 3-4 LB that is strong at the point of attack - taking on OL blocks vs the run- who can also rush the passer. he wont be an every down player or responsible for any coverages beyond a hook zone. as his familiarity with the system increases, he might be asked to do a little more but not much. again, he fits a specific role that is common in any 3-4 scheme. when its a run, control this gap, and if it's a pass, sack the qb.

LtDan
08-07-2006, 03:31 PM
yeah right we have enough bills on our team i hate the bills lets not turn into themyeah if the guy is good for us, we definitely would not want to bring him in just because he was a Bill :shakeno:

painnotpleasure
08-07-2006, 03:32 PM
Why did Buffalo release him? Financial reasons?

LtDan
08-07-2006, 03:37 PM
doesn't fit their new defensive system

thecoordinator
08-07-2006, 03:42 PM
Why did Buffalo release him? Financial reasons?

they are changing their D to a base cover 2 look and posey is not an ideal LB for that scheme. plus, crowell emerged last year when spikes got hurt and they gave him a nice new deal.

Dolfan1000
08-07-2006, 05:04 PM
it is that easy man. this isn't about terminology. it's about a player that fits a certain role very nicely. posey is a gap control 3-4 LB that is strong at the point of attack - taking on OL blocks vs the run- who can also rush the passer. he wont be an every down player or responsible for any coverages beyond a hook zone. as his familiarity with the system increases, he might be asked to do a little more but not much. again, he fits a specific role that is common in any 3-4 scheme. when its a run, control this gap, and if it's a pass, sack the qb.

Surely you do not actually believe that playing in a defensive scheme is that simple? If it is a pass, rush the QB, if it is a run, then take on blocks? Even the players will contest that Saban's D is as complicated as they have ever seen. I am not saying Posey would not be a good fit, in fact I think he would fit in very nicely. But that does not take away from the fact that it is extremely difficult to master a defense to the point where a guy can read and react instead of thinking. It surely would take more than a month.

randy9
08-07-2006, 05:41 PM
If he's not good enough for buffalo he sure isn't good enough here!

PhinFan0202
08-07-2006, 05:49 PM
He's one of those DE/LBs. He's like 6'4 so depending on the D scheme, he'll either line up upright off the line or as a down lineman on the end. I don't know if he's better than who we already have, though. What I wonder, however is he a better option than say, David Bowens? Anyone have any opinions?

Thanks for clearing that up.

PhinFan0202
08-07-2006, 05:50 PM
In college he was a DE, he was converted to a LB/situational pass rushing DE in the pro's.

Thanks for clearing that up.

ac_lanham
08-07-2006, 08:10 PM
I cant blame him. most of the bills fans do not know posey. you never heard a peep from him. not on the field nor off. he just kinda was "there".

Kinda reminds me of Morlon Greenwood...the fact that he was just "there" u know?

LoneWulF
08-07-2006, 08:12 PM
i would love to get posey. hands down no question

popularwar
08-07-2006, 08:33 PM
I cant blame him. most of the bills fans do not know posey. you never heard a peep from him. not on the field nor off. he just kinda was "there".
Morlon Greenwood syndrome. :lol:

thecoordinator
08-07-2006, 08:41 PM
Surely you do not actually believe that playing in a defensive scheme is that simple? If it is a pass, rush the QB, if it is a run, then take on blocks? Even the players will contest that Saban's D is as complicated as they have ever seen. I am not saying Posey would not be a good fit, in fact I think he would fit in very nicely. But that does not take away from the fact that it is extremely difficult to master a defense to the point where a guy can read and react instead of thinking. It surely would take more than a month.

i don't think you understand the 3-4 defense. do you have any idea why posey had 8 sacks as a LB with the texans in 2002?

GoonBoss
08-07-2006, 09:28 PM
I don't think i'm up on getting Bills rejects.

If they can't play ball in Buffalo, in that catastrophically bad team, I don't think they should come here.

Nappy Roots
08-07-2006, 09:40 PM
I don't think i'm up on getting Bills rejects.

If they can't play ball in Buffalo, in that catastrophically bad team, I don't think they should come here.


he couldnt play in buffalo? and in a system that didnt fit him no less..

its not as simple as so and so didnt play well since he got cut....

s3an8
08-07-2006, 10:33 PM
yeah right we have enough bills on our team i hate the bills lets not turn into themwho on our team is form the bills?no one important on our roster are from the bills...

Sackmaster99
08-07-2006, 10:34 PM
yo yo

Nicky Napoleon
08-07-2006, 10:39 PM
OK, I have a question to all those that are saying its to late so we shouldnt sign him....How many games is an NFL season? Last time I checked it was 16 games and lasted over 4 months. So you are saying we shouldnt get a guy who could be a solid depth guy and provide some pass rush ability from a LB position because he couldnt start right away. What happens if we have an injury? Are you really happy with the back-ups that we have being starters? This guy is not spectacular but he would be a solid player to have.

Bigbucks24
08-07-2006, 10:50 PM
If only it were that easy... "Well, he played in the 3-4, so he will be fine". NFL systems go far and beyond merely a 3-4 or a 4-3. This is Saban's defense, not Capers. The two versions of the 3-4 could differ dramatically in language alone, requiring months of learning and studying to grasp. Jason Allen on the other hand, has his playbook. He has had it since April 29th. He has practiced with the team and he has attended meetings. There is no comparing the two situations. Posey may very well be a quick learner, but any player would have trouble learning a new system in just a month. Not saying its impossible, but he would also have to prove he is a better fit than Hodge and Newman, who have had months to show their worth.

Wasn't it Zach Thomas that was saying that he feels more comfortable in Saban's system this year and that last year there were too many times that he was in the wrong place? He had a whole off-season and TC to learn the defense and Zach is one of the hardest working, most prepared people in football.

'CANES19
08-07-2006, 10:58 PM
i really dont think hes that good ........ ... we dont need him ... keith newman can take them all down ...

'CANES19
08-07-2006, 11:06 PM
:dolphins: posey who???? .... we got newman .... ..... hes pretty sick:D

LoneWulF
08-07-2006, 11:31 PM
man some of this is absurd. why wouldnt you pick up a guy who was cut who very likely would be the third best linebacker on your team. not to mention since he was cut we could sign him much cheaper than if he had just been a free agentat the start of free agency. i dont understand why we wouldnt grab a guy who might take a few weeks to learn the defense, but when he does be At the very least solid depth

BuffaloSoldier2
08-07-2006, 11:47 PM
As a Bills fan, I can tell you Posey is a class act. When we signed him, it was right after the free agency period began and was considered a big time move. He was coming off an 8 sack season with the Texans. Unfortunately, our stupid GM failed to realize that Posey accomplished this in a 3-4 defense and we played a 4-3. Posey really contributed nothing of note and was invisible in most games. He lost his job because he simply didn't make enough plays or have enough speed to play in our new defense. That said, he was also playing SLB, so sometimes they tend to go unnoticed. The Dolphins connection would make sense because I think he is an upgrade over some of your LBs and there is the Capers connection. I really wouldn't want that to happen because I won't want to root agains the guy. At the same time, I think his best days are behind him. Hope this helps.

MiamiDolfan
08-07-2006, 11:53 PM
As a Bills fan, I can tell you Posey is a class act. When we signed him, it was right after the free agency period began and was considered a big time move. He was coming off an 8 sack season with the Texans. Unfortunately, our stupid GM failed to realize that Posey accomplished this in a 3-4 defense and we played a 4-3. Posey really contributed nothing of note and was invisible in most games. He lost his job because he simply didn't make enough plays or have enough speed to play in our new defense. That said, he was also playing SLB, so sometimes they tend to go unnoticed. The Dolphins connection would make sense because I think he is an upgrade over some of your LBs and there is the Capers connection. I really wouldn't want that to happen because I won't want to root agains the guy. At the same time, I think his best days are behind him. Hope this helps.


Listen to this guy he expierienced with the bills organazation if he thinks hes a decent player i say we pick him up i mean our other #3 LB's arnt nearly as good n if we get him i think we'll have 1 of the best linebacking units in the game + we'll have depth and thats always a good thing.

GoonBoss
08-07-2006, 11:57 PM
he couldnt play in buffalo? and in a system that didnt fit him no less..

its not as simple as so and so didnt play well since he got cut....

And which team will he stick with?

You tell me?

He's been in three so far, so, compell me, ok?

Tell me why he's a good pickup ...I guy that has been cut from three teams.

Make me a case for Posey...Who couldn't stick with garbage teams and, will make us better.

EDIT: I don't like the guy and don't want him here much ;)

Geforce
08-08-2006, 12:01 AM
And which team will he stick with?

You tell me?

He's been in three so far, so, compell me, ok?

Tell me why he's a good pickup ...I guy that has been cut from three teams.

Make me a case for Posey...Who couldn't stick with garbage teams and, will make us better.

EDIT: I don't like the guy and don't want him here much ;)

He wasn't cut from the Texans. He elected to become a FA where he signed with Buffalo. His best year was in 2002 when he had 8 sacks. Hasn't done much since then however.

GoonBoss
08-08-2006, 12:18 AM
He wasn't cut from the Texans. He elected to become a FA where he signed with Buffalo. His best year was in 2002 when he had 8 sacks. Hasn't done much since then however.

So, they let him go.

That still doesn't compell me.

Can't we be done with signing journeymen?

JMO.

thecoordinator
08-08-2006, 12:22 AM
So, they let him go.

That still doesn't compell me.

Can't we be done with signing journeymen?

JMO.

sure we'd like to be done with journeymen, but the point is if he's better than anything we have after thomas and crowder, and can be had at a fair price, why not bring him in for this season? what do we have to lose?

BuffaloSoldier2
08-08-2006, 12:24 AM
And which team will he stick with?

You tell me?

He's been in three so far, so, compell me, ok?

Tell me why he's a good pickup ...I guy that has been cut from three teams.

Make me a case for Posey...Who couldn't stick with garbage teams and, will make us better.

EDIT: I don't like the guy and don't want him here much ;)

In fairness to Posey, he started on the NFL's number 2 defense two years in a row. Like I said before, he is a class guy and it's hard to tell how good or bad he was because he never made a lot of plays. The Bills did him a favor by cutting him early so maybe he could catch on with another team. He just wasn't in the right system here.

GoonBoss
08-08-2006, 12:31 AM
sure we'd like to be done with journeymen, but the point is if he's better than anything we have after thomas and crowder, and can be had at a fair price, why not bring him in for this season? what do we have to lose?

At Vet Minimum....Sure. Heck, bring everyone in.

GoonBoss
08-08-2006, 12:34 AM
In fairness to Posey, he started on the NFL's number 2 defense two years in a row. Like I said before, he is a class guy and it's hard to tell how good or bad he was because he never made a lot of plays. The Bills did him a favor by cutting him early so maybe he could catch on with another team. He just wasn't in the right system here.

Thanks for your nice post on an opposition board, first off.....

Next....There have been some talented coaches and they do'nt think he can play. We let alot of emotional favorites go, too.

Aussiefinfan54
08-08-2006, 01:13 AM
nah hes crap i dont see him improving the team really we dont need him

LoneWulF
08-08-2006, 03:32 AM
what does it matter if they let him go when he became a free agent. the saints let drew brees go, does that mean drew brees is a lousy quarterback?

After thomas and crowder we are thin at talented linebackers. we play a 3-4 so we will need four on the field at many times. In my opinion Posey is better than all of our LBs not listed right above. Man whats wrong with picking him up to a cheap contract and seeing if he outperforms the guys weve got. worst case he gets cut, whereas maybe hes a playmaker for us

so-long-Ricky
08-08-2006, 07:56 AM
The reasons he was cut in Buffalo is because of the strong emergence of Cromwell and he no longer fits the defensive scheme we're implementing. (Most people will say he didn't fit the original scheme to begin with) Plus, we have other talented players which puts that @ as a position of strengh for the Bills.

It would be doing him a complete disservice to have him remain on the team @ this point. In actuallity it gives him a bigger opportunity to land somewhere else and possibly solidify himself as a starter or @ very least a backup. Regardless, he will end up with someone just for the reason he has never had a real opportunity to show off his talents since leaving Houston.

And for the fin fan that stated he was cut from Houston......he was NOT cut. He declined to sign w/Houston @ the time and test FA. Not only that, he was signed @ 12:05am the 1st night.......that's right, 5 minutes into free agency.

BuffaloBills06
08-16-2006, 07:41 PM
who on our team is form the bills?no one important on our roster are from the bills...Sammy Morris, Bennie "the penalty" Anderson, and Keith Newman

bigbade
08-16-2006, 07:42 PM
Not sure if its in here I havent read it all but he signed with Washington

PhinFan0202
08-16-2006, 07:43 PM
He already got signed by the Redskins. http://www.redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=5299

PhinGeneral
08-16-2006, 07:44 PM
yeah right we have enough bills on our team i hate the bills lets not turn into them

Yeah, that's a real good reason to turn down productivity. :shakeno:

Tigers2003
08-16-2006, 07:47 PM
It is kinda late to bring him in to be anymore than a body. And honestly he did not see anything special out of him whenever we played the Bills nor do I see much of any upgrade here.

Canadianfishfan
08-16-2006, 08:38 PM
why was he released?

LoneWulF
08-17-2006, 03:29 AM
wow, all three of those bills are a big part of our team. keith newman probably our third best LB, bennie anderson starting oline, sammy morris our backup running back. Why not another bill if hes good? would you say no to nate clements because hes a bill? or takeo spikes?

WestCoastPhins
08-17-2006, 03:46 AM
When i saw this title I thought you were talking about James Posey cause you were impressed by the cheap shot tackle he took in round one of the NBA playoffs. Great blindside tackler, we should sign him.

Elliott 1
08-17-2006, 04:24 AM
No!

PhinzN703
08-17-2006, 09:26 AM
No!

Best post ever? :sidelol: