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Bruzer
08-08-2006, 11:35 AM
I do alot of looking around on net about this stuff. Im very much into the paranormal and ufo's. I just wanted to show whoever hasn't seen them which is evidence of ufo's in history and really makes you wonder.

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2008/01/lolladoffplate-1.jpg
7,000 B.C. - The Lolladoff plate, discovered in Nepal, appears to show a hovering disk-shaped object in the center and a small being, resembling an alien resembling an alien gray, beside it. The circular pattern is reminescent of the spiraling movement of consciousness - Golden Ratio - Sacred Geometry (http://www.crystalinks.com/sg.html) of creation.


http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2008/01/ancientastronauts-1.jpg
This cave painting is c.10,000 BC and is from Val Camonica, Italy.
It appears to depict two beings in protective suits holding strange implements.

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2008/01/ufoindianscrash-1.jpg
Petroglyphs dating back thousands of years ago by ancient Indians in the American Southwest. According to Indian folklore, two objects collided high in the sky and one crash-landed in the region of Death Valley. Some men arrived (presumably in another ship) and spent some time repairing the damaged craft and were observed by the local Indians. The two images below may possibly depict the ship (left) used by the men who came to repair the damaged craft. In comparing the two images, the one on the right seems to depict structural damage around the edges and the bottom. Could it be the one that allegedly crashed? The images are stills taken from an old TV series entitled "In search of..." hosted by Leonard Nimoy.

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2006/08/hieroplanes-1.gif
In Egypt there exists a star clock for the Precession of the Equinoxes and an electric light bulb that dates to 2600 BC. An electric battery was discovered in a rock carbon dated approximately 500,000 years ago.

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2008/01/maryufoclose-1.jpg
This painting is called "The Madonna with Saint Giovannino". It was painted in the 15th century by Domenico Ghirlandaio (1449-1494) and hangs as part of the Loeser collection in the Palazzo Vecchio. Above Mary's right shoulder is a disk shaped object. Below is a blow up of this section and a man and his dog can clearly be seen looking up at the object.

There is more here to give credit and this is where the information came from. What I showed is just a small peice of information on that page.
http://www.crystalinks.com/ufohistory.html

There is also a theory that humans are a alien hybrid before you jump all over that case there is one way to support that theory than crazies making up ideas. Below is a bone found dubbed star child. It has been tested and it is authentic and a real bone artist have used thier skills and knowledge of
anatomy to create a visualization of it.

http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif

Now im not going to support this theory but would kinda explain our quick advancement from simple cavemen to what we are now. Its just something I figured I would show since I heard about it.

Here is more I found its a video of the lights over pheonix probably one of the most famous ufo displays. Government said it was flare test but ofcourse they would deny it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vgSfL6E8R44

There is also several more footage these are aquired from youtube.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fyjl_Lp2Xb4

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xB8w2YiXJBc Greatest UFO story denied pt.1
http://youtube.com/watch?v=k1MnikFjN3E Greatest UFO story denied pt.2

http://youtube.com/watch?v=z-vOUWb893Y Proof of the existence of aliens pt. 1
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XhfcFkkvPFo Proof of the existence of aliens pt. 2
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XxdvUXZz5XU Proof of the existence of aliens pt. 3

I just made this thread mainly because of boredom. Also I figured some of you might find some of this interesting. The one picture of the egyptian wall what really catches me is the cutout that looks like a helicopter. Very interresting stuff.

I know there are probably several skeptics on this forums and thats fine but I don't want any skeptics going. "Bull**** this is all fake etc.." I would like a constructive conversation.

Thanks for reading. :D

like2god
08-08-2006, 12:34 PM
Thanks for the info Bruzer.

I have done a lot of reading on this and there seems to be a lot of evidence for something unusual. The religious paintings and even paintings found and dated to the time of early man are very compelling.

The Nazca lines that are thought to have been made between 200 BC and 600 AD. The lines can only be appreciated from the sky and one of them resembles a man in a spacesuit.

http://www.crystalinks.com/nazca.html

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2006/08/nazcahuman-1.jpg


Many governments are now softening their stance on the possibilty that UFO's are real. Many high level members from many different countries have come forward to say that there is more to the story than just "weather balloons or swamp gas". President Jimmy Carter saw what he believed to be a UFO and reported it. Clinton was also very curious about UFO's.

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/10/22/ufo.records/index.html

Dr. Jesse Marcel was a main figure in the Roswell Situation.

His story... http://www.roswellproof.com/Marcel_evaluations.html

Whether these examples are true or not, at least it is something to consider.

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Alex44
08-08-2006, 12:37 PM
I love this kind of stuff and although im no expert I love learning new things on the subject so I should be in this thread a while :D

I believe that in a universe this large there has to be life outside our own

Alex44
08-08-2006, 12:46 PM
I found this picture and its interesting to me, I'll include the little caption from the site I found it on. To me it looks like some sort of loccus type creature but I dont believe the Egyptians held them very highly so that leaves some doubt in my mind about what it is (first picture from afar next one closeup)

http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif
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Extraterrestrial Images on the Step Pyramid Saqqara, Egypt and close-up (right)

Also in Egypt - where the star clock for the Precession of the Equinoxes exists
- there is an electric light bulb that dates to 2600 BC.
An electric battery was discovered in a rock carbon dated approximately 500,000 years ago.

like2god
08-08-2006, 12:51 PM
I love this kind of stuff and although im no expert I love learning new things on the subject so I should be in this thread a while :D

I believe that in a universe this large there has to be life outside our own
There are some good books on this subject.

1. Top Secret/Majic - Stanton Friedman

2. Crash at Corona - Stanton Friedman


If you are interested in lost civilizations and forgotten human history

1. Fingerprints of the Gods - Graham Hancock

2. Underworld - Graham Hancock

3. The Sign and the Seal - Graham Hancock

4. The Monuments of Mars - Richard C. Hoagland


Mike :cooldude:

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like2god
08-08-2006, 01:02 PM
5000 year old painting from Australia

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12th century artwork

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10th century Tibetan translation of sanskrit text

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15th century tapestries (look in the background)
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A fresco entitled "the crucifixion" from 1350 AD.
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Two objects in that picture

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Carlo Crivelli "the annunciation" 1486 AD. (National Gallery of London)


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like2god
08-08-2006, 01:07 PM
17th century fresco

http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif

The two objects in that picture

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Painting from 1710 that hangs in the FitzWilliam museum

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Illustration from a book published in 1803
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fishfanfromjerz
08-08-2006, 01:11 PM
how bout in the bible.........ezekiel saw the wheel.........dont have time to describe right now, but read that part .........totally describes ezekiel seeing a ufo

Alex44
08-08-2006, 01:13 PM
That picture in the first post and really odd theory (of humans being Alien Hybrids) really has be thinking about some stuff.....nice pictures to L2G, some of that stuff really makes you think

Motion
08-08-2006, 01:13 PM
Very interesting stuff

like2god
08-08-2006, 01:13 PM
how bout in the bible.........ezekiel saw the wheel.........dont have time to describe right now, but read that part .........totally describes ezekiel seeing a ufo

I have read that as well. It very well could be a description of a UFO.

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Alex44
08-08-2006, 01:26 PM
Not to make a mockery of this thread but it also makes a great place for insane theories :lol:

http://www.aliensandchildren.org/whyaliensadbucthumans.htm

DrAstroZoom
08-08-2006, 02:08 PM
A little more modern history, but eye-opening nonetheless: Buzz Aldrin's UFO tale (http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=29&art_id=qw1153707663773U212).

like2god
08-08-2006, 02:33 PM
Not to make a mockery of this thread but it also makes a great place for insane theories :lol:

http://www.aliensandchildren.org/whyaliensadbucthumans.htm

I don't know if I buy into the whole Hybrid Theory. I think if there are aliens that are visiting us, they might be observing us the same way we observe primitive tribes in Africa or a new animal species. We try to find out all we can from afar, and then we move in to study them up close, and in some cases taking a sample back to study. I think that is a very plausible theory.

The alien hybrid theory I think comes from the fear that we have, not knowing why they are here. It is a theory that provides a very nonhostile take over of the Earth (slowly phasing us out), which is what we all think of when we think of aliens.

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Nappy Roots
08-08-2006, 02:35 PM
pretty, interesting thread.......

Perfect23
08-08-2006, 02:38 PM
I once found a weird crop cirlcle its probably fake though

http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif

Alex44
08-08-2006, 02:41 PM
I don't know if I buy into the whole Hybrid Theory. I think if there are aliens that are visiting us, they might be observing us the same way we observe primitive tribes in Africa or a new animal species. We try to find out all we can from afar, and then we move in to study them up close, and in some cases taking a sample back to study. I think that is a very plausible theory.

The alien hybrid theory I think comes from the fear that we have, not knowing why they are here. It is a theory that provides a very nonhostile take over of the Earth (slowly phasing us out), which is what we all think of when we think of aliens.

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Good point, im not saying a buy it either but if there really are aliens than anything is possible even if we see it as unlikely or insane, because we know nothing about their culture

Only thing about the hybrid theory that is interesting is why would they keep coming back? There have been abductions for a long time now, they certainly could have gotten any info they needed about our biological structure by now, and could learn about us just by observing

Who really knows what they want (assuming they are real)

like2god
08-08-2006, 02:51 PM
Good point, im not saying a buy it either but if there really are aliens than anything is possible even if we see it as unlikely or insane, because we know nothing about their culture

Only thing about the hybrid theory that is interesting is why would they keep coming back? There have been abductions for a long time now, they certainly could have gotten any info they needed about our biological structure by now, and could learn about us just by observing

Who really knows what they want (assuming they are real)

A common belief is that they are watching the changes that take place within our DNA, observing the changes over many years.

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like2god
08-08-2006, 02:55 PM
I once found a weird crop cirlcle its probably fake though

http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/Crop_Circles/Crop_Circles_pics/crabwood2002.1.jpg

Yeah, I think it is fake. It is very elaborate though, whoever made it is a very good artist.

:lol:

Perfect23
08-08-2006, 02:57 PM
Yeah, I think it is fake. It is very elaborate though, whoever made it is a very good artist.

:lol:

I was thinking maybe its the president of the UFO's:refuse:

miamikid92
08-08-2006, 03:02 PM
if there was a ufo and aliens landed and were walking on the earth not bothering anyone would we try and kill them?

like2god
08-08-2006, 03:08 PM
if there was a ufo and aliens landed and were walking on the earth not bothering anyone would we try and kill them?

Yes, because we kill everything.

We would want to study what they are made of and see if we could benefit from that science in any way (ESP, psychokinesis, live longer).

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miamikid92
08-08-2006, 03:15 PM
Yes, because we kill everything.

We would want to study what they are made of and see if we could benefit from that science in any way (ESP, psychokinesis, live longer).

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so if there ever are aliens who land we will fight them instead of being allies
:confused:

Alex44
08-08-2006, 03:18 PM
so if there ever are aliens who land we will fight them instead of being allies
:confused:

Personally I would love to accept them and learn their culture and have them learn ours, work together and develope a better way of life and understanding........

But

Thats not what would happen.......I think we would enter an all out war with them

like2god
08-08-2006, 03:27 PM
so if there ever are aliens who land we will fight them instead of being allies
:confused:

Unfortunately yes. Look all around you, watch the news.......we are a very hostile civilization. Mankind even killed their savior, how much worse can you get? So unfortunately little bro, we would kill them. :(

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Alex44
08-08-2006, 03:32 PM
Unfortunately yes. Look all around you, watch the news.......we are a very hostile civilization. Mankind even killed their savior, how much worse can you get? So unfortunately little bro, we would kill them. :(

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To put it into one simple sentance....

We kill people based on their race.....why would we ever accept a race from another planet

Link
08-08-2006, 03:39 PM
Personally I would love to accept them and learn their culture and have them learn ours, work together and develope a better way of life and understanding........

But

Thats not what would happen.......I think we would enter an all out war with them

With us likely being wipped out. Or perhaps the reason they are elusive is an attempt to avoid such a war. If they are truely there and smarter, things such as war would seem stupid and immature to them. Again not saying I believe in them, but it would certainly be fooless for us to think that there can't be others out there.

Among the many sightings there are also the mysteries of stone hedge and the Pyramids. I just have a hard time buying that those were done just by man power and simple tools. I could be wrong though. There is really no way of knowing.

Two more interesting things is how the Norse, Roman, Greek, and Egyptian mythologys have quite a bit in common and tales of a more advance continent of Atlantis. Those just seem they also fit this topic.

Alex44
08-08-2006, 03:45 PM
With us likely being wipped out. Or perhaps the reason they are elusive is an attempt to avoid such a war. If they are truely there and smarter, things such as war would seem stupid and immature to them. Again not saying I believe in them, but it would certainly be fooless for us to think that there can't be others out there.

Among the many sightings there are also the mysteries of stone hedge and the Pyramids. I just have a hard time buying that those were done just by man power and simple tools. I could be wrong though. There is really no way of knowing.

Two more interesting things is how the Norse, Roman, Greek, and Egyptian mythologys have quite a bit in common and tales of a more advance continent of Atlantis. Those just seem they also fit this topic.

There is no way of knowing really but it really has to make you think, how can different civilizations with different beliefs have tales and such of something that doesnt/didnt exist?

like2god
08-08-2006, 04:09 PM
Among the many sightings there are also the mysteries of stone hedge and the Pyramids. I just have a hard time buying that those were done just by man power and simple tools. I could be wrong though. There is really no way of knowing.
I hear you. Some of the limestone blocks in the kings tomb weigh in at over 40 tons, I have a hard time believing that man power moved those. I think the Egyptians either had advanced tools (that we don't give them credit for) or they solved the gravity mystery.

There was a guy, Ed Leedskalnin, that built the Coral Castle in Homestead, Florida. He supposedly cut the limestone and set it in place by himself, without the use of cranes and heavy machinery. He always said that he unlocked the mystery that the Egyptians knew when building the pyramids. There were people that said they saw him float pieces of limestone that weighed many many tons. Interestingly, he also had an AC generator that he kept in a work shed, maybe there is a point in which the atoms can be aligned with AC current, canceling out gravity?

http://www.coralcastle.com/biography.asp


Two more interesting things is how the Norse, Roman, Greek, and Egyptian mythologys have quite a bit in common and tales of a more advance continent of Atlantis. Those just seem they also fit this topic.

There are many similarities between the egyptian pyramids and the pyramids of the Mayans. Read the book Fingerprints of the Gods by Graham Hancock, it goes through the whole unconnected and lost history of mankind.

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Link
08-08-2006, 04:12 PM
I hear you. Some of the limestone blocks in the kings tomb weigh in at over 40 tons, I have a hard time believing that man power moved those. I think the Egyptians either had advanced tools (that we don't give them credit for) or they solved the gravity mystery.

There was a guy, Ed Leedskalnin, that built the Coral Castle in Homestead, Florida. He supposedly cut the limestone and set it in place by himself, without the use of cranes and heavy machinery. He always said that he unlocked the mystery that the Egyptians knew when building the pyramids. There were people that said they saw him float pieces of limestone that weighed many many tons. Interestingly, he also had an AC generator that he kept in a work shed, maybe there is a point in which the atoms can be aligned with AC current, canceling out gravity?

http://www.coralcastle.com/biography.asp



There are many similarities between the egyptian pyramids and the pyramids of the Mayans. Read the book Fingerprints of the Gods by Graham Hancock, it goes through the whole unconnected and lost history of mankind.

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Yup I have been there and there is no way he could of done that with just common everyday tools.

Alex44
08-08-2006, 04:13 PM
I hear you. Some of the limestone blocks in the kings tomb weigh in at over 40 tons, I have a hard time believing that man power moved those. I think the Egyptians either had advanced tools (that we don't give them credit for) or they solved the gravity mystery.

There was a guy, Ed Leedskalnin, that built the Coral Castle in Homestead, Florida. He supposedly cut the limestone and set it in place by himself, without the use of cranes and heavy machinery. He always said that he unlocked the mystery that the Egyptians knew when building the pyramids. There were people that said they saw him float pieces of limestone that weighed many many tons. Interestingly, he also had an AC generator that he kept in a work shed, maybe there is a point in which the atoms can be aligned with AC current, canceling out gravity?

http://www.coralcastle.com/biography.asp



There are many similarities between the egyptian pyramids and the pyramids of the Mayans. Read the book Fingerprints of the Gods by Graham Hancock, it goes through the whole unconnected and lost history of mankind.

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Ancient Egyptians had AC generators :confused: who knew :lol:

Roman529
08-08-2006, 04:18 PM
I remember in the 1970's there was a show on tv called Project Blue Book which showed the different UFO cases that the Air Force was investigating. I have loved studying about UFO's ever since. I also heard Dr. Stanton Friedman (Nuclear Physicist) give a lecture on UFOs a few years ago. The History Channel had an excellent show on UFO's last week.

Alex44
08-08-2006, 04:19 PM
I remember in the 1970's there was a show on tv called Project Blue Book which showed the different UFO cases that the Air Force was investigating. I have loved studying about UFO's ever since. I also heard Dr. Stanton Friedman (Nuclear Physicist) give a lecture on UFOs a few years ago. The History Channel had an excellent show on UFO's last week.

Any clue what it was called and if its going to be on again? Id love to watch it

like2god
08-08-2006, 04:23 PM
Ancient Egyptians had AC generators :confused: who knew :lol:

They did have batteries using metals and the acid from fruit. It's the simple experiment that we all did in grade school with a lemon and two pieces of metal. It didn't produce much power, but it was a battery none the less.

Maybe they had a technology that we have yet to rediscover?

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R_t_Kraken
08-08-2006, 04:23 PM
I don't know if anyone has read this book -- It's called Alien Mind - A primer.

It has 17 chapters. One of the most interesting books i've read on ET's.

http://www.eyepod.org/AM-0-Index.html

The question to me is not do they exist? but will we ever meet them?

like2god
08-08-2006, 04:24 PM
I remember in the 1970's there was a show on tv called Project Blue Book which showed the different UFO cases that the Air Force was investigating. I have loved studying about UFO's ever since. I also heard Dr. Stanton Friedman (Nuclear Physicist) give a lecture on UFOs a few years ago. The History Channel had an excellent show on UFO's last week.

Stanton Friedman is one of the few credible and very knowledgable UFO researchers out there. I always listen to him on Coast to Coast AM.

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In_Flames
08-08-2006, 04:26 PM
Any clue what it was called and if its going to be on again? Id love to watch it

UFO Files (http://www.historychannel.com/global/listings/upcomingepisodes.jsp?ACatId=12040449&CaseId=12040447&EGrpId=10963893) ???

CharlestonPhan
08-08-2006, 04:26 PM
i agree that it is presumptuous at the least and extremely arrogant at worst to assume we are the only inhabitants of the universe.

like2god
08-08-2006, 04:30 PM
Any clue what it was called and if its going to be on again? Id love to watch it

The History Channel replays everything over and over again.

Here is the schedule for UFO files on the History Channel

Thursday 10th, 11:00 am

Thursday 10th, 5:00 pm

Friday 11th, 11:00 pm (alien abductions)

That is all I see through Sunday

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Roman529
08-08-2006, 04:37 PM
Any clue what it was called and if its going to be on again? Id love to watch it

Yeah it was called the UFO Files...I believe it was on Monday Night. You might want to check the History Channel schedule to see if it will come on again. Also they had a show on the Kecksburg UFO incident outside of Pittsburgh in the 1960's...it was awesome..kind of like what happened at Roswell but on a smaller scale. I hope to drive down to Roswell one of these days to check out their Alien Museum and the crash site. :tongue:

like2god
08-08-2006, 04:39 PM
Roman brought up Project Bluebook. The man in charge of Project Bluebook and debunking believers, Dr. J Allen Hynek, admitted that Bluebook was the governments attempt to sweep all of the credible UFO cases under the rug. He later went on to start his own UFO research study group.

http://www.cufos.org/



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Slappy8800
08-08-2006, 05:13 PM
ya'all should search the secret KGB ufo files....cool stuff....especially Project Isis

like2god
08-08-2006, 05:30 PM
ya'all should search the secret KGB ufo files....cool stuff....especially Project Isis

Will do. Thanks

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mor911
08-08-2006, 05:31 PM
The Mor has an awesome video (I turned it into an animated gif to make it easier to post) that shows a really good space clip of a UFO... It takes about 10 seconds to see it...

http://norealnews.com/fins/space.gif

:mor911:

like2god
08-08-2006, 05:38 PM
The Mor has an awesome video (I turned it into an animated gif to make it easier to post) that shows a really good space clip of a UFO... It takes about 10 seconds to see it...

http://norealnews.com/fins/space.gif

:mor911:

:lol:

Reminds me of an exgirlfriend.

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retired opfinistic
08-08-2006, 06:06 PM
The Mor has an awesome video (I turned it into an animated gif to make it easier to post) that shows a really good space clip of a UFO... It takes about 10 seconds to see it...

http://norealnews.com/fins/space.gif

:mor911:Naww, that's an illegal alien!:wink:

Bruzer
08-08-2006, 06:41 PM
Wow this thread took off :D. Anyways on the alien hyrbid theory thier explanation does kinda make you think. Becuase the orginal cavemen where very barbaric basically a animal that stands upright and the "aliens" wanted a group of workers to get a resource from out planet and would be adapt to it. Also if you look at cavemen back then they had very long arms and strong eybrow bones and very anatomically different from as well as close to same. So they make a blending between the caveman and well thier species causing to make us a intellegent race which can basically problem solve better than any other creature on this planet.

Which we(our race) killed off the cavemen and took over. But by making workers a breed of a mix they made a group they could control and yet they would figure out what to do and would be adapt to our planet. The reason they still come see us it's probably fantasic to them (if true) that a small race they made to help them out has flourished and took over this world. So we are now a research subject.

This also imo would explain some of the power we can have but have not unlocked (if true) such as telekenisis, telepathy and who knows what else. They say we only use 10% of our brains so what is the other 90% capable of?

Sundance Kid
08-08-2006, 07:13 PM
The original article, reporting the Aurora Texas Incident, as written in 1897, in the April 19th edition of the Dallas Morning News reads as follows:


“About 6 o’clock this morning, the early risers of Aurora Texas were astonished at the sudden appearance of the airship which has been sailing around the country. It was traveling, due north, and much nearer the earth than before. Evidently some of the machinery was out of order, for it was making a speed of only ten or twelve miles an hour, and gradually settling toward the earth. It sailed over the public square and when it reached the north part of town, it collided with the tower of Judge Proctor’s windmill and went into pieces with a terrific explosion, scattering debris over several acres of ground, wrecking the windmill and water tank and destroying the judge’s flower garden. The pilot of the ship is supposed to have been the only one aboard, and while his remains were badly disfigured, enough of the original has been picked up to show that he was not an inhabitant of this world.
This was BEFORE there were Air-planes....1897!

Bruzer
08-08-2006, 07:22 PM
Thanks for the article thats very cool.

Yea thier were several people who got peices of roswell crash all of them where confisgated and told to never speak of it agian by men in black suits. Although there was a few peices that escaped and well several years later they where going to hold a Internation UFO conference on what they found in the metal. It was going to even be live broadcast on the net. They day before the conference as going to start the website went black and web maintainer said they the hosting company " took it for a upgrade " there was no upgrades scheduled though and they never got it back.

The man who also who was going to run the convention same day in the mourning was confronted by 2 men in black suits with proper identification took him into thier black van and they drove around the area for 11 hours and he wont speak of it ever agian.

Many people involved with the peice have met early deaths. 1 was killed in motorcycle crash. 1 from 2 forms of lucimia. Another man is scared to death now. The orginal owner died of unknown reasons.

So there is definately a governemnt coverup.

d-day
08-08-2006, 07:28 PM
The Mor has an awesome video (I turned it into an animated gif to make it easier to post) that shows a really good space clip of a UFO... It takes about 10 seconds to see it...

http://norealnews.com/fins/space.gif

:mor911:


:lol:

d-day
08-08-2006, 07:31 PM
seriously though, you guys really don't believe in ufo's, bigfoot, manbearpig, danny bonaduce or even god do you...?

Bruzer
08-08-2006, 07:37 PM
Whats not to believe in ufo's exactly what is reported thousands of times a year is clearly been posted in history. They only knew what they saw. Im sorry but just becuase it hasn't be sliced and diced and put on display for all of us does not mean its not real.

Governments will do whatever they can to stop a full belief in them because for 1 main reason. Panic .... I don't think it would set lightly with people knowing thier is a extra-terrestrial force that could wipe out this little planet at anytime.

Also im not religious but im not atheist I look at everything with an open mind. If there are hundreds of not millions of reports why ignore it. Only reason to ignore to make yourself believe we are the most powerful thing in this universe. When most likely we are nothing but ants.

A&O
08-08-2006, 07:41 PM
What I find most interesting of all is those cases of cow mutilations. Very, very strange!

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2006/08/r0300258-1.jpg

Baxter
08-08-2006, 07:51 PM
seriously though, you guys really don't believe in ufo's, bigfoot, manbearpig, danny bonaduce or even god do you...? :lol:

miamikid92
08-08-2006, 08:06 PM
What I find most interesting of all is those cases of cow mutilations. Very, very strange!

http://www.santafeghostandhistorytours.com/images/r0300258.jpg

is that a dog head on the cow or something?

Nappy Roots
08-08-2006, 08:23 PM
What I find most interesting of all is those cases of cow mutilations. Very, very strange!

http://www.santafeghostandhistorytours.com/images/r0300258.jpg


personally i dont find them strange at all......

A&O
08-08-2006, 08:32 PM
personally i dont find them strange at all......

There are some strange things regarding it...like certain organs are removed and these events happen in the same way all over the world. Also, there is little to no blood around the animal. Weird stuff.

like2god
08-08-2006, 09:52 PM
seriously though, you guys really don't believe in ufo's, bigfoot, manbearpig, danny bonaduce or even god do you...?

There are something like 100 billion stars (like our sun) in our galaxy, and there are more than 100 billion galaxies in the universe. So do the math 100 billion x 100 billion = a whole hell of a lot of stars just like our sun.

Now, not all of them are going to have planets that will sustain life, so to figure out how many stars could actually have planets teaming with life, we will use the Drake Equation. The Drake Equation (N = R* • fp • ne • fl • fi • fc • L) is a scientific formula to estimate the total number of life sustaining planets in the universe and how many will be communicating civilizations. We will only focus on our own galaxy and how many stars have intelligent life.

http://www.seti.org/site/pp.asp?c=ktJ2J9MMIsE&b=179074

N = The number of civilizations in The Milky Way Galaxy whose electromagnetic emissions are detectable. (this is what we are trying to find out)

R* =The rate of formation of stars suitable for the development of intelligent life. (100 billion stars in our galaxy)

fp = The fraction of those stars with planetary systems. (we will be conservative and say 20% of the stars have planetary systems)

ne = The number of planets, per solar system, with an environment suitable for life. (again, being conservative we will say 3)

fl = The fraction of suitable planets on which life actually appears. (50%)

fi = The fraction of life bearing planets on which intelligent life emerges. For more information, please visit Dr. William Calvin's "The Drake Equation's fi" (http://faculty.washington.edu/wcalvin/setitalk.html) (20%)

fc = The fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space. (20%)

L = The length of time such civilizations release detectable signals into space. (1/1,000,000th which works out to 10,000 years)

And if we do the math it works out to be 1200 planets in our own galaxy with intelligent life like our own. That is just in our own galaxy bro.

All of the calculations were from this_site (http://www.classbrain.com/artmovies/publish/article_50.shtml) and can be adjusted to factor in many different variables. I even reduced the number of stars from 200 billion (that they had on the site) to 100 billion, essentially cutting the final number of planets with intelligent life in half. Again, results may vary, but they show that it is mathematically plausible that there is indeed life in our universe.

Now, are they little green men? Who knows?

But like I told Alex earlier, if we found a primitive civilization in Africa or South America, the first thing that we would do is study them from afar. Then we would go and study them up close, measure them, weigh them, find out what they eat, everything like that. Then eventually we would take sample back to a lab somewhere for further testing. It sounds an awful lot like what people claim in abductions. Are people really abducted, who knows? But it is something to think about and something that the Drake Equation shows us is plausible.

So yes, I do believe that there is intelligent life out there somewhere.

I just don't think that includes Danny Bonaduce. :tongue:

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d-day
08-08-2006, 10:28 PM
There are something like 100 billion stars (like our sun) in our galaxy, and there are more than 100 billion galaxies in the universe. So do the math 100 billion x 100 billion = a whole hell of a lot of stars just like our sun.

Now, not all of them are going to have planets that will sustain life, so to figure out how many stars could actually have planets teaming with life, we will use the Drake Equation. The Drake Equation (N = R* • fp • ne • fl • fi • fc • L) is a scientific formula to estimate the total number of life sustaining planets in the universe and how many will be communicating civilizations. We will only focus on our own galaxy and how many stars have intelligent life.

http://www.seti.org/site/pp.asp?c=ktJ2J9MMIsE&b=179074

N = The number of civilizations in The Milky Way Galaxy whose electromagnetic emissions are detectable. (this is what we are trying to find out)

R* =The rate of formation of stars suitable for the development of intelligent life. (100 billion stars in our galaxy)

fp = The fraction of those stars with planetary systems. (we will be conservative and say 20% of the stars have planetary systems)

ne = The number of planets, per solar system, with an environment suitable for life. (again, being conservative we will say 3)

fl = The fraction of suitable planets on which life actually appears. (50%)

fi = The fraction of life bearing planets on which intelligent life emerges. For more information, please visit Dr. William Calvin's "The Drake Equation's fi" (http://faculty.washington.edu/wcalvin/setitalk.html) (20%)

fc = The fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space. (20%)

L = The length of time such civilizations release detectable signals into space. (1/1,000,000th which works out to 10,000 years)

And if we do the math it works out to be 1200 planets in our own galaxy with intelligent life like our own. That is just in our own galaxy bro.

All of the calculations were from this_site (http://www.classbrain.com/artmovies/publish/article_50.shtml) and can be adjusted to factor in many different variables. I even reduced the number of stars from 200 billion (that they had on the site) to 100 billion, essentially cutting the final number of planets with intelligent life in half. Again, results may vary, but they show that it is mathematically plausible that there is indeed life in our universe.

Now, are they little green men? Who knows?

But like I told Alex earlier, if we found a primitive civilization in Africa or South America, the first thing that we would do is study them from afar. Then we would go and study them up close, measure them, weigh them, find out what they eat, everything like that. Then eventually we would take sample back to a lab somewhere for further testing. It sounds an awful lot like what people claim in abductions. Are people really abducted, who knows? But it is something to think about and something that the Drake Equation shows us is plausible.

So yes, I do believe that there is intelligent life out there somewhere.

I just don't think that includes Danny Bonaduce. :tongue:

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this is evidence? sounds like a bunch of blah, blah, blah, to me - besides, you obviously haven't met spray mucus yet - trust me, there is no god

like2god
08-08-2006, 10:32 PM
this is evidence? sounds like a bunch of blah, blah, blah, to me - besides, you obviously haven't met spray mucus yet - trust me, there is no god

:lol:

I take it all back then.

But seriously, that is a real scientific calculation that is used by the scientific community to estimate the total planets that could harbor life in our galaxy.

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Alex44
08-09-2006, 02:04 AM
:lol:

I take it all back then.

But seriously, that is a real scientific calculation that is used by the scientific community to estimate the total planets that could harbor life in our galaxy.

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Who are we to say which planets could harfbor life? Just because we as organisms on earth require certain things doesnt mean that life on other planets require the same things

Roman529
08-09-2006, 02:59 AM
I was abducted by aliens a while back. One of them looked like Carmen Electra and the other one looked exactly like Pam Anderson. They did all kinds of bad things with me. I still am traumatized by it all. :rolleyes2

















:wink:

d-day
08-09-2006, 03:20 AM
I was abducted by aliens a while back. One of them looked like Carmen Electra and the other one looked exactly like Pam Anderson. They did all kinds of bad things with me. I still am traumatized by it all. :rolleyes2

















:wink:

those weren't pillows...

AirFishOne
08-09-2006, 03:21 AM
The Truth is out there :D

A&O
08-09-2006, 04:51 AM
On the 27th of this month Mars will be very close to the Earth! The cool part is that we can wave hello at our Martians neighbors. :lol:

Bruzer
08-09-2006, 08:01 AM
I won't even argue with a skeptic because most skeptics are so close minded it doesn't matter what you say or do thier stance never changes so its just wasted breathe trying.

Also if you think we are the most technological advanced thing in this galaxy you my friend are ignorant. I just can't understand how you can think that other than your own saftey blanket to make you feel the human race is a big baddy.

Anyways back on topic there is so much in history to prove that there has been something visiting this earth. If you think not explain to me that egyptian wall and why it looks like a plane, ufo and helicopter on it once you make a reasonable explanation that doesn't sound like you pulled it out of your *** then I stick to my point.

I have never seen a ufo but I would love to sometime just for the fact it would confirm alot of my own suspicions. I am very open minded so much to the fact I love to read legends and wonder the possibilities of it being real not saying I believe them but I NEVER read something that has been reported to be seen by hundreds of people and go well thats fake.

I have had my own experiences that in no way I can be skeptical becuase I cannot explain what I have seen but I do know that I don't speak about them to no one but friends for the fact you get ridiculed.

Ignorance is bliss.....

Alex44
08-09-2006, 08:13 AM
I won't even argue with a skeptic because most skeptics are so close minded it doesn't matter what you say or do thier stance never changes so its just wasted breathe trying.

Also if you think we are the most technological advanced thing in this galaxy you my friend are ignorant. I just can't understand how you can think that other than your own saftey blanket to make you feel the human race is a big baddy.

Anyways back on topic there is so much in history to prove that there has been something visiting this earth. If you think not explain to me that egyptian wall and why it looks like a plane, ufo and helicopter on it once you make a reasonable explanation that doesn't sound like you pulled it out of your *** then I stick to my point.

I have never seen a ufo but I would love to sometime just for the fact it would confirm alot of my own suspicions. I am very open minded so much to the fact I love to read legends and wonder the possibilities of it being real not saying I believe them but I NEVER read something that has been reported to be seen by hundreds of people and go well thats fake.

I have had my own experiences that in no way I can be skeptical becuase I cannot explain what I have seen but I do know that I don't speak about them to no one but friends for the fact you get ridiculed.

Ignorance is bliss.....

(Note this whole next post is an opinion I dont need everyone telling me Im crazy)

I dont believe there is any such thing as a 'crackpot' theory about Alien life, if there are Aliens then obviously we know nothing about them, so how can we what they would want or why they would want it? There is to much room in the galaxy for us to be alone, even if there hasnt been contact with Aliens on earth they are still out there somewhere.

Now lets assume their are aliens that have made it to earth (I definitly believe their are)

Let me debunk the debunkers

Q: Its impossible to travel distances in space that fast, so aliens cant be real

A: Its impossible for US to travel great distances in space in fast periods of time, but just because our technology isnt that advanced doesnt mean theirs isnt

I could go on all day.

If someone told me they had an experience with this, and I thought they were a credible person, I would definitly believe them and try and be their friend and talk about this stuff with them.

Alex44
08-09-2006, 08:14 AM
Ignorance is bliss.....

First step to knowing everything is admitting we know nothing, and anything is possible even if its beyond our realm of reasoning and understanding

Bruzer
08-09-2006, 09:19 AM
Great post alex 44 and I agree with it all. Just becuase us on earth haven't accomplished it doesn't mean it can't be accomplished or that some other life form not from this planet has accomplished it.

Alex44
08-09-2006, 10:15 AM
Great post alex 44 and I agree with it all. Just becuase us on earth haven't accomplished it doesn't mean it can't be accomplished or that some other life form not from this planet has accomplished it.

If you even just look into our own past you can see what I/we mean

If you were to go back and tell someone from say.....1650 about telivison, space travel, radio.......almost anything we have today they would call you crazy

Bruzer
08-09-2006, 10:24 AM
Exactly, helicopters, airplanes, space shuttles would not even be imagined then and would be impossible to them and look today. Great example because its same princible becuase it hasn't been done people's mind frame is that it can't be done.

unluckyluciano
08-09-2006, 10:39 AM
Exactly, helicopters, airplanes, space shuttles would not even be imagined then and would be impossible to them and look today. Great example because its same princible becuase it hasn't been done people's mind frame is that it can't be done.

DaVinci imagined helicopters, airplanes and submarines. Authors wrote in books for years about space travel before NASA was even a thought. We have found scientists who were years ahead of their time but were not accepted for it.
As for aliens not to sure about alien life form it would make sense if it existed but I wouldnt be able to understand why they would have the same vehicles for centuries, with little to no advancement.
I do believe however there was an atlantean race that we do not know about, and that is why you see a surge in great civilizations around the same period, as well as like mythology,tools,etc.

Alex44
08-09-2006, 10:41 AM
DaVinci imagined helicopters, airplanes and submarines. Authors wrote in books for years about space travel before NASA was even a thought. We have found scientists who were years ahead of their time but were not accepted for it.
As for aliens not to sure about alien life form it would make sense if it existed but I wouldnt be able to understand why they would have the same vehicles for centuries, with little to no advancement.
I do believe however there was an atlantean race that we do not know about, and that is why you see a surge in great civilizations around the same period, as well as like mythology,tools,etc.

And we imagine technology we dont have.

The thing is they didnt know how to make it or if it was possible, and neither do we know

How do you know their spacecraft hasnt undergone change? Have you ever seen one up close :lol: do you have photo evidence? You cant say that really. Unless you have seen it, and if you have seen it that means its real anyway

unluckyluciano
08-09-2006, 11:24 AM
And we imagine technology we dont have.

The thing is they didnt know how to make it or if it was possible, and neither do we know

How do you know their spacecraft hasnt undergone change? Have you ever seen one up close :lol: do you have photo evidence? You cant say that really. Unless you have seen it, and if you have seen it that means its real anyway

Well I am saying drastic changes. From what can be seen the aircraft moves in the same way, and same shape. Not saying maybe they put some things inside but the basis has not changed significantly. All I am saying. Actually DaVinci, from what I have read, was very close to the actual design of a helicopter. And many other scientists have theorized very close to theories years ahead of their time. I am not just talking from a technological point of view, I am talking about theory mostly. And as we all know from the theory the technology emerges. The only reason that the technology didnt emerge till much later is because many of the theories were seen as well crazy.

Alex44
08-09-2006, 11:42 AM
Well I am saying drastic changes. From what can be seen the aircraft moves in the same way, and same shape. Not saying maybe they put some things inside but the basis has not changed significantly. All I am saying. Actually DaVinci, from what I have read, was very close to the actual design of a helicopter. And many other scientists have theorized very close to theories years ahead of their time. I am not just talking from a technological point of view, I am talking about theory mostly. And as we all know from the theory the technology emerges. The only reason that the technology didnt emerge till much later is because many of the theories were seen as well crazy.

But the thing is (most likely anyway) its not that they foresaw that we would have these things in the future, its that in the future we saw the ideas for these things based on their work and created them (in some cases anyway)

So a dog two different typed of airplanes look the same flying in the air, we arent close enough to the object (or the technology) to know if its the same or not is my only point

unluckyluciano
08-09-2006, 11:58 AM
But the thing is (most likely anyway) its not that they foresaw that we would have these things in the future, its that in the future we saw the ideas for these things based on their work and created them (in some cases anyway)

So a dog two different typed of airplanes look the same flying in the air, we arent close enough to the object (or the technology) to know if its the same or not is my only point

Why make a theory if you do not believe it to be valid? Why sketch a flying aircraft which adheres to some laws of physics if you do not see it as being plausible? Its not like Da Vinci would draw just to draw, he was very precise in what he drew, much like blueprints. I can not see DaVinci drawing these plans if he did not think it was plausible.
The Mayans had a basis for keplers law already years before Kepler was even around. Some asian civilizations had a comprehension of nothing and infinite years before these became accepted math theory. The greeks had archimedes and his physic principles before physics was even a thought as well as pythagoras, and his geometric principles. My point being that man is very capable of some of the feats that are dismissed as "too advanced". It wouldnt suprise me at all if man somehow figured out how to build pyramids, or other structures.

Alex44
08-09-2006, 12:40 PM
Why make a theory if you do not believe it to be valid? Why sketch a flying aircraft which adheres to some laws of physics if you do not see it as being plausible? Its not like Da Vinci would draw just to draw, he was very precise in what he drew, much like blueprints. I can not see DaVinci drawing these plans if he did not think it was plausible.
The Mayans had a basis for keplers law already years before Kepler was even around. Some asian civilizations had a comprehension of nothing and infinite years before these became accepted math theory. The greeks had archimedes and his physic principles before physics was even a thought as well as pythagoras, and his geometric principles. My point being that man is very capable of some of the feats that are dismissed as "too advanced". It wouldnt suprise me at all if man somehow figured out how to build pyramids, or other structures.

I didnt say they didnt think it was possible, Im saying they didnt know exactly how to make it/do it or didnt have the technology. This really has nothing to do with the thread anymore :lol: I forgot how we got to this point

The thing is with all our technilogical advancement wouldnt you think we could/should have rediscovered it by now? And if not than doesnt that mean we arent as smart as we think we are?

Either way in the future there will be technology we could only dream about today, I mean today we can think about technology that does things like take us deep into space etc, but we just arent advanced enough yet

Bruzer
08-09-2006, 12:51 PM
We got to this point from some of the skeptic points but yea lets get back on topic. If aliens had a doing in our history I would think they did with the pyramids even architects today have no idea how it was done.

Alex44
08-09-2006, 12:57 PM
We got to this point from some of the skeptic points but yea lets get back on topic. If aliens had a doing in our history I would think they did with the pyramids even architects today have no idea how it was done.

I would think they had to do with a lot of things

I forget where it is but there is a formation (of rocks im pretty sure? Not 100%) that from the sky is in the shape of a (im thinking bird but once again who knows) dated back many many years, to a time when it would have been impossible to do, (they didnt have planes and they couldnt make the formation from on the ground because you cant see the shape) so the thought is there has to be some sort of outside help to have done that

or maybe im repeating a fairy tale :lol: I heard this like 5 years ago and havent heard much of it since

unluckyluciano
08-09-2006, 01:03 PM
I didnt say they didnt think it was possible, Im saying they didnt know exactly how to make it/do it or didnt have the technology. This really has nothing to do with the thread anymore :lol: I forgot how we got to this point

The thing is with all our technilogical advancement wouldnt you think we could/should have rediscovered it by now? And if not than doesnt that mean we arent as smart as we think we are?

Either way in the future there will be technology we could only dream about today, I mean today we can think about technology that does things like take us deep into space etc, but we just arent advanced enough yet

Case in point , they just found writings of archimedes I think it was, on a scroll that some monk had written over,they found the writing using xrays.
But anywho.....................................

unluckyluciano
08-09-2006, 01:04 PM
I would think they had to do with a lot of things

I forget where it is but there is a formation (of rocks im pretty sure? Not 100%) that from the sky is in the shape of a (im thinking bird but once again who knows) dated back many many years, to a time when it would have been impossible to do, (they didnt have planes and they couldnt make the formation from on the ground because you cant see the shape) so the thought is there has to be some sort of outside help to have done that

or maybe im repeating a fairy tale :lol: I heard this like 5 years ago and havent heard much of it since

There are many of these formations like the giant snake mound found in the midwest. The giant space man in Britain to name a few.

Alex44
08-09-2006, 01:07 PM
Case in point , they just found writings of archimedes I think it was, on a scroll that some monk had written over,they found the writing using xrays.
But anywho.....................................


Im not taking anything away from ancient civilization :) I think there are a lot of things we could learn from them, and they probally knew a few things that we dont now (either because they are of no use to us or because we have other ways of completing the same task) but as a whole I believe we have gotten smarter

Anyway if you wanna debate about ancient humans vs current ones we should open a thread for that, but thats not what this one is for, so Im gonna leave it at I get your point and hopefully you get mine :)

like2god
08-09-2006, 01:27 PM
Who are we to say which planets could harfbor life? Just because we as organisms on earth require certain things doesnt mean that life on other planets require the same things

The Drake Equation is based on what we know so far about life. If you want to take into consideration lifeforms that can survive on a planet with a sulfuric acid atmosphere and the gravity of Saturn, then that just increases the chances of finding life out there.

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like2god
08-09-2006, 01:34 PM
I would think they had to do with a lot of things

I forget where it is but there is a formation (of rocks im pretty sure? Not 100%) that from the sky is in the shape of a (im thinking bird but once again who knows) dated back many many years, to a time when it would have been impossible to do, (they didnt have planes and they couldnt make the formation from on the ground because you cant see the shape) so the thought is there has to be some sort of outside help to have done that

or maybe im repeating a fairy tale :lol: I heard this like 5 years ago and havent heard much of it since

You are talking about the Nazca lines http://www.crystalinks.com/nazca.html

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Alex44
08-09-2006, 01:41 PM
You are talking about the Nazca lines http://www.crystalinks.com/nazca.html

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THANKS! Ive been looking for info on that a while and wasnt able to find it because well I didnt know exactly what I was looking for :lol:

like2god
08-09-2006, 01:49 PM
THANKS! Ive been looking for info on that a while and wasnt able to find it because well I didnt know exactly what I was looking for :lol:

I heard about them a while ago and didn't remember the name. A year ago I heard a guy on Coast to Coast talking about them and their possible origin. Interesting stuff.

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unluckyluciano
08-09-2006, 01:52 PM
There is a story I think part of a religion out of India that has been around for years. It talks about how at the beginning two sets of gods fought each other in flying vehicles over earth and earths inhabitants. One side wanted to enslave man the other loved man.

Alex44
08-09-2006, 03:55 PM
I heard about them a while ago and didn't remember the name. A year ago I heard a guy on Coast to Coast talking about them and their possible origin. Interesting stuff.

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Real interesting stuff, makes you really think

/me will never let this thread die :evilmod:

like2god
08-09-2006, 03:56 PM
Real interesting stuff, makes you really think

/me will never let this thread die :evilmod::lol:

I like having discussions about science, it's fun.

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Alex44
08-09-2006, 04:10 PM
Great thing about that link is all those people have reasons that Aliens had nothing to do with it, but no idea or theory about how they were actually made

Alex44
08-09-2006, 04:11 PM
:lol:

I like having discussions about science, it's fun.

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:yes:

And in everyday life its not something most people want to talk about

unluckyluciano
08-09-2006, 04:15 PM
Lets discuss how you think a ufo would fly and move the way it does........

Alex44
08-09-2006, 04:21 PM
Lets discuss how you think a ufo would fly and move the way it does........

Truthfully I dont have a clue.

I can only assume its technology we dont have and cant fully understand (duh)

My best guess would be it isnt like a rocket or airplane at all, it doesnt have normal engines, it somehow reverses gravity allowing it to do whatever it wants in the air (maybe it has small yet powerful engines that allow it to accelerate in any direction)

Who really knows, any answer is a good one seeing as how we dont have the slightest clue

I guess another idea would be that those engines keep it afloat without the need for the effect on gravity....im not an expert when it comes to planes and that kind of stuff so asking me about UFOs and how they work is a shot in the dark for me :lol:

like2god
08-09-2006, 04:24 PM
Great thing about that link is all those people have reasons that Aliens had nothing to do with it, but no idea or theory about how they were actually made

Which leaves it as a subject for debate.

I personally think that the people who made them were able to see them from mountain tops or had some form of primitive balloon design. The alien hypothisis to me, seems to be a little too much of a reach. Why would they make something that only they could appreciate? Unless of course, the Nazca lines were made with the idea that "they" were leaving a calling card for us that we could only see when we were ready.

I firmly believe that there are anomalies on the surface of the 4th planet in our solar system. I hate to say the "face on Mars" because it really brings out the naysayers, but I have seen recent unedited images from the NASA/JPL official website that have some very interesting features.

I will pm you a link if you are interested.

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Alex44
08-09-2006, 04:29 PM
Which leaves it as a subject for debate.

I personally think that the people who made them were able to see them from mountain tops or had some form of primitive balloon design. The alien hypothisis to me, seems to be a little too much of a reach. Why would they make something that only they could appreciate? Unless of course, the Nazca lines were made with the idea that "they" were leaving a calling card for us that we could only see when we were ready.

I firmly believe that there are anomalies on the surface of the 4th planet in our solar system. I hate to say the "face on Mars" because it really brings out the naysayers, but I have seen recent unedited images from the NASA/JPL official website that have some very interesting features.

I will pm you a link if you are interested.

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:yes: please do

My theory (if there was alien involvement which im not 100% sure)

Assuming they could see from the mountains, its not like they could communicate via phone or anything to tell the working person/people what to do next, so if it were aided by some sort of other life my theory is it is some sort of message or present or teaching about the stars/gods/whatever/etc, or possibly it ties into the whole human being alien hybrids theory (which is one im really not sold on) and it a calling card of some sort, or some sort of puzzle about the universe/our origins we have yet to figure out

Alex44
08-09-2006, 04:52 PM
/me waits for L2G to get back on so he can give me the link :lol:

like2god
08-09-2006, 04:52 PM
Lets discuss how you think a ufo would fly and move the way it does........

Gravity distortion.

The faster that you go, time slows down. It's a part of Einstiens theory of relativity, also known as the twin paradox.

If two identical twins are seperated at birth (one stays on earth and the other travels near the speed of light 186,000 miles per second, or 700 million miles an hour), let me say that again. If two twins are seperated at birth and one of them travels near the speed of light for 2 years his time, when he returns to earth after his 2 year journey he would find that his twin had passed away a few thousand years before him. He was traveling at a faster rate, so he aged slower than his twin.

Now, humans can't survive those G-forces, so you would have to find a way to cancel out gravities pull. We don't know how to do that currently, so we are SOL on that one. But a far more advanced civilization could have already discovered a way to do just that.

So it is possible to travel at those distances if you can cancel gravity.

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Alex44
08-09-2006, 04:54 PM
Gravity distortion.

The faster that you go, time slows down. It's a part of Einstiens theory of relativity, also known as the twin paradox.

If two identical twins are seperated at birth (one stays on earth and the other travels near the speed of light 186,000 miles per second, or 700 million miles an hour), let me say that again. If two twins are seperated at birth and one of them travels near the speed of light for 2 years his time, when he returns to earth after his 2 year journey he would find that his twin had passed away a few thousand years before him. He was traveling at a faster rate, so he aged slower than his twin.

Now, humans can't survive those G-forces, so you would have to find a way to cancel out gravities pull. We don't know how to do that currently, so we are SOL on that one. But a far more advanced civilization could have already discovered a way to do just that.

So it is possible to travel at those distances if you can cancel gravity.

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:yes:

Once you pass the speed of light you are litterally traveling in time (of course not in the same way we think of it) I guess the right term would be defying time.

Exactly, and we cant assume its impossible just because we cant do it

Alex44
08-09-2006, 05:06 PM
/me waits for L2G again :lol:

mor911
08-09-2006, 05:20 PM
http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif
I believe!

d-day
08-09-2006, 05:21 PM
http://norealnews.com/fins/space.gif
I believe!

:lol: - that's the funniest thing i ever seen in my life...

Alex44
08-09-2006, 05:22 PM
http://norealnews.com/fins/space.gif
I believe!

What is The Mors policy on alien women :tongue: :lol:

mor911
08-09-2006, 05:22 PM
:lol: - that's the funniest thing i ever seen in my life...
:hi5:

Alex44
08-09-2006, 05:22 PM
:lol: - that's the funniest thing i ever seen in my life...

Thats pretty sad :lol: j/k it is pretty funny

mor911
08-09-2006, 05:22 PM
What is The Mors policy on alien women :tongue: :lol: If she's got a hole.....

lazareth
08-09-2006, 05:37 PM
If she's got a hole.....
do the captain kirk baby! :yes:

unluckyluciano
08-09-2006, 05:40 PM
do the captain kirk baby! :yes:

Wonder if he got any of those furbie things...............

Slappy8800
08-09-2006, 05:41 PM
heres a theory i heard about the Pyramids..ETs did help make them and they made them so that they lined up directly with Orion's belt because thats where they came from. Theres more to the theory i just paraphrased.

Alex44
08-09-2006, 05:42 PM
heres a theory i heard about the Pyramids..ETs did help make them and they made them so that they lined up directly with Orion's belt because thats where they came from. Theres more to the theory i just paraphrased.

Ive never heard that, its pretty interesting (if its true that they align anyway)

Slappy8800
08-09-2006, 05:44 PM
heres a new topic for ya

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2006/08/face-1.jpg

the famous MArs "face" ...discuss

Alex44
08-09-2006, 05:46 PM
heres a new topic for ya

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/image/planetary/mars/face.jpg

the famous MArs "face" ...discuss

Im still waiting for L2G to send me the Link he promised :lol: :tantrum:

Its really interesting, I really have no clue what it is, but interesting none the less

TheAnswer385
08-09-2006, 05:47 PM
Cool thread

lazareth
08-09-2006, 05:49 PM
heres a theory i heard about the Pyramids..ETs did help make them and they made them so that they lined up directly with Orion's belt because thats where they came from. Theres more to the theory i just paraphrased.
i think i remember seeing something about that on some documentary a while back (on the history channel i believe)

unluckyluciano
08-09-2006, 05:56 PM
didnt they say that they think it has a connection with the sphinx?

lazareth
08-09-2006, 05:57 PM
heres a new topic for ya

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/image/planetary/mars/face.jpg

the famous MArs "face" ...discuss
hard to say...i know what it "looks" like but then i have seen faces looking at cloud formations...then there's the piece of toast that looks like jesus (or something like that)

this and the other things mentioned (or not mentioned yet) in this thread i find fascinating (i'm the one who voted the 5 stars), but i really don't know what to believe is fact v. fiction

i do think that in this very large universe (or multiverse) it is almost unrealistic to think that humanity is unique...the odds are against it IMO

unluckyluciano
08-09-2006, 06:00 PM
hard to say...i know what it "looks" like but then i have seen faces looking at cloud formations...then there's the piece of toast that looks like jesus (or something like that)

this and the other things mentioned (or not mentioned yet) in this thread i find fascinating (i'm the one who voted the 5 stars), but i really don't know what to believe is fact v. fiction

i do think that in this very large universe (or multiverse) it is almost unrealistic to think that humanity is unique...the odds are against it IMO

I think if you follow probability of what actually had to happen for humanity to exist from an evolution stand point it is a very high probality that it occured again. From what I understand at least.

Alex44
08-09-2006, 06:08 PM
hard to say...i know what it "looks" like but then i have seen faces looking at cloud formations...then there's the piece of toast that looks like jesus (or something like that)

this and the other things mentioned (or not mentioned yet) in this thread i find fascinating (i'm the one who voted the 5 stars), but i really don't know what to believe is fact v. fiction

i do think that in this very large universe (or multiverse) it is almost unrealistic to think that humanity is unique...the odds are against it IMO

I think if it wasnt made by something/someone than there should be other things like it all around the surface on Mars.

Slappy8800
08-09-2006, 06:11 PM
I think if it wasnt made by something/someone than there should be other things like it all around the surface on Mars.

who says there isnt? just because we dont know doesnt mean there isnt.

Alex44
08-09-2006, 06:13 PM
who says there isnt? just because we dont know doesnt mean there isnt.

I wasnt implying that there isnt (I actually clicked submit before I could go back and add this next part and didnt feel like changing it)

Add this to the bottom of my last post

'We need to find out if there are other things like this across the surface, whether they are random formations or also shapes of some kind, just because we dont know if there are doesnt mean there arent, and just because this is the only one we know of doesnt mean its the only'

like2god
08-09-2006, 07:33 PM
Im still waiting for L2G to send me the Link he promised :lol: :tantrum:

Its really interesting, I really have no clue what it is, but interesting none the less

I just sent them to you bro.

Slappy, here is a link for you about the face.

http://www.enterprisemission.com/mars/papers_1.php?page=paper1

This site is run by Richard C. Hoagland, he was the science advisor for Walter Cronkite and CBS and he was present when the first pictures from the Viking and Apollo missions were sent back to NASA.

http://www.enterprisemission.com/

The theory about the pyramids being aligned with the stars of Orion is also on that site. Some interesting stuff there to think about, I'm not saying that it is all true but it's something to ponder.

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like2god
08-09-2006, 07:39 PM
who says there isnt? just because we dont know doesnt mean there isnt.


'We need to find out if there are other things like this across the surface, whether they are random formations or also shapes of some kind, just because we dont know if there are doesnt mean there arent, and just because this is the only one we know of doesnt mean its the only'

Go to the NASA/JPL website and scan the pics for anomalous geometry. and then check out "The Enterprise Mission" (the link above). If you look at the official pics and match them up with the observations from enterprise, you will see alot of anomalous geometry that will really make you think.

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Alex44
08-09-2006, 09:30 PM
Im looking at the stuff you sent me now :yes:

I'll get back to you when im done

like2god
08-09-2006, 09:33 PM
Im looking at the stuff you sent me now :yes:

I'll get back to you when im done

Cool

:cooldude:

Alex44
08-09-2006, 09:36 PM
Cool

:cooldude:


/me is looking at the photos from mars from the photo gallary from the first site

(think I used the word from enough in that sentence)

Pretty interesting (on picture #4)

like2god
08-09-2006, 09:37 PM
/me is looking at the photos from mars from the photo gallary from the first site

(think I used the word from enough in that sentence)

Pretty interesting (on picture #4)

Is that the NASA/JPL site or Enterprise?

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Alex44
08-09-2006, 09:39 PM
Is that the NASA/JPL site or Enterprise?

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NASA/JPL

Im taking them into photoshop and circleing what stands out to me :lol: Im a dork about this stuff, looking isnt enough :D

like2god
08-09-2006, 09:45 PM
NASA/JPL

Im taking them into photoshop and circleing what stands out to me :lol: Im a dork about this stuff, looking isnt enough :D

Don't feel stupid. That is what I do and that is what I was hoping you guys would do. It's good to look and find things out for yourself. I hope the rest of the guys will take the time to look at the pics and theories and draw their own conclusions.

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like2god
08-09-2006, 10:03 PM
heres a new topic for ya

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/image/planetary/mars/face.jpg

the famous MArs "face" ...discuss

It's very possible that it is artificial.

From what I know about it, it is located in a region called Cydonia, it is a mile long and has highly unusual geometry. It is hard for me to imagine anything or anybody making such a structure, but I suppose it could be possible with more advanced technology. There are infrared pictures from JPL on the Enterprise site that show one of the sides of the face is highly reflective. Rock and mud are not highly reflective. Could it be metal or glass? I don't know.

The region known as Cydonia also has other anomalies that resemble pyramids, infact there are many "pyramid" like structures in that region. They look weathered from hundreds and thousands of years of sand storms, but they still show very clear geometric patterns that aren't "natural".

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Slappy8800
08-09-2006, 10:53 PM
It's very possible that it is artificial.

From what I know about it, it is located in a region called Cydonia, it is a mile long and has highly unusual geometry. It is hard for me to imagine anything or anybody making such a structure, but I suppose it could be possible with more advanced technology. There are infrared pictures from JPL on the Enterprise site that show one of the sides of the face is highly reflective. Rock and mud are not highly reflective. Could it be metal or glass? I don't know.

The region known as Cydonia also has other anomalies that resemble pyramids, infact there are many "pyramid" like structures in that region. They look weathered from hundreds and thousands of years of sand storms, but they still show very clear geometric patterns that aren't "natural".

.

http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif

Jimi
08-09-2006, 10:56 PM
hey l2g would u mind sending me those links as well, im pretty interested

Slappy8800
08-09-2006, 10:57 PM
heres an interesting picture comparison of orions belt and the pyramids

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2006/08/ori2belt-1.jpg

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2006/08/spin2image_giza-1.jpg

pretty close IMO

Slappy8800
08-09-2006, 11:02 PM
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2006/08/belt-1.gifhttp://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2006/08/giza3-1.gif

Slappy8800
08-09-2006, 11:18 PM
go here and scroll down to Ancient Indian Aircraft Technology

http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_7.htm

like2god
08-09-2006, 11:24 PM
hey l2g would u mind sending me those links as well, im pretty interested

No problem bro. Give me a few minutes.

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like2god
08-09-2006, 11:32 PM
go here and scroll down to Ancient Indian Aircraft Technology

http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_7.htm

Thanks for the link, I'll read it later. I skimmed through it really quick and remembered that I saw a show on one of those airplane figures. The guys on the show scanned the airplane into a computer to find the dimensions and then made a remote control replica. To my surprise (and theirs, I'm sure), the craft was actually very aerodynamic.

And those pics of Cydonia are pretty good, thanks. There are some very detailed ones on that one site. I'll try to find them.

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lazareth
08-09-2006, 11:34 PM
l2g, is there a problem with posting the links in here?

d-day
08-09-2006, 11:40 PM
l2g, is there a problem with posting the links in here?

No. - there's nothin' wrong here. It's just that, you know, some posts are like people. Some "shine" and some don't.

Flame
08-09-2006, 11:46 PM
Personally I would love to accept them and learn their culture and have them learn ours, work together and develope a better way of life and understanding........

But

Thats not what would happen.......I think we would enter an all out war with them

Example: Indians, Thanksgiving, you know the deal.

like2god
08-09-2006, 11:51 PM
The right side of the face is highly reflective

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2006/08/laneyFaceCL1a_f_-1.jpg

Possible pyramid structure (eroded from centuries of dust storms)

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2006/08/DMViking1-1.jpg

Infrared pics from Mars Odyssey (notice the geometry)
Mars is covered with a layer of fine "poof dirt" or very fine grain sand. The infrared camera could see beneath the "poof dirt" and these are the images.



http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2006/08/CITY1-1.jpg



Possible buildings under all of that "poof dirt"? (again, look at the geometry and the comparisons to Cities on Earth)

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2006/08/CYDONIACAIROCOMPARISON-1.jpg

Another photo comparison


http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2006/08/TEMPLEMODEL-1.jpg

like2god
08-09-2006, 11:52 PM
l2g, is there a problem with posting the links in here?

I sure hope not. :lol:

Mike13
08-09-2006, 11:54 PM
heres a new topic for ya

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/image/planetary/mars/face.jpg

the famous MArs "face" ...discuss

.......Is there a giant *** on the other side?


I will pm you a link if you are interested.


Yeah send me a PM when you get the chance.

Flame
08-09-2006, 11:57 PM
The right side of the face is highly reflective

http://www.enterprisemission.com/paper_1/laneyFaceCL1a_f_.jpg

Possible pyramid structure (eroded from centuries of dust storms)

http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/D&M-Viking1.jpg

Infrared pics from Mars Odyssey (notice the geometry)
Mars is covered with a layer of fine "poof dirt" or very fine grain sand. The infrared camera could see beneath the "poof dirt" and these are the images.



http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/IR/CITY1.jpg



Possible buildings under all of that "poof dirt"? (again, look at the geometry and the comparisons to Cities on Earth)

http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/IR/CYDONIA-CAIRO-COMPARISON.jpg

Another photo comparison


http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/IR/TEMPLE-MODEL.jpg


Thats some freaky crap right there, makes me think.

Slappy8800
08-09-2006, 11:59 PM
cool stuff l2g!!!

Mike13
08-10-2006, 12:04 AM
Now I believe there could be aliens, the problem is it will take a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooongtime before we can find them, or maybe they've found us as some people believe.
''
I don't buy the whole ''Aliens messed with our DNA'' theory, I wouldn't see why they would do that, we could have evolved into what we are today.
This is some intresting stuff though.

Perfect23
08-10-2006, 12:07 AM
The right side of the face is highly reflective

http://www.enterprisemission.com/paper_1/laneyFaceCL1a_f_.jpg

Possible pyramid structure (eroded from centuries of dust storms)

http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/D&M-Viking1.jpg

Infrared pics from Mars Odyssey (notice the geometry)
Mars is covered with a layer of fine "poof dirt" or very fine grain sand. The infrared camera could see beneath the "poof dirt" and these are the images.



http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/IR/CITY1.jpg



Possible buildings under all of that "poof dirt"? (again, look at the geometry and the comparisons to Cities on Earth)

http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/IR/CYDONIA-CAIRO-COMPARISON.jpg

Another photo comparison


http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/IR/TEMPLE-MODEL.jpg

whats the point with the pictures of egypt help me out:confused:

Flame
08-10-2006, 12:08 AM
whats the point with the pictures of egypt help me out:confused:

They look identical to the ones on Mars.

finsrule84
08-10-2006, 12:18 AM
The right side of the face is highly reflective

http://www.enterprisemission.com/paper_1/laneyFaceCL1a_f_.jpg

Possible pyramid structure (eroded from centuries of dust storms)

http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/D&M-Viking1.jpg

Infrared pics from Mars Odyssey (notice the geometry)
Mars is covered with a layer of fine "poof dirt" or very fine grain sand. The infrared camera could see beneath the "poof dirt" and these are the images.



http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/IR/CITY1.jpg



Possible buildings under all of that "poof dirt"? (again, look at the geometry and the comparisons to Cities on Earth)

http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/IR/CYDONIA-CAIRO-COMPARISON.jpg

Another photo comparison


http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/IR/TEMPLE-MODEL.jpg

this screams photoshop. If there really were underground Martian cities, wouldn't you think the'd have wildly different architecture than we have on earth?

Nappy Roots
08-10-2006, 12:22 AM
alot of interesting stuff...but i have 1 question for people that believe that aliens helped build the pyramids or for people that believe aliens contacted ancient civilizations.....


why is it they havent contacted or help us with anything? i mean, did they just decide to lay low for a thousand years

Flame
08-10-2006, 12:22 AM
this screams photoshop. If there really were underground Martian cities, wouldn't you think the'd have wildly different architecture than we have on earth?

It's basically saying the egyptians came from mars.

Perfect23
08-10-2006, 12:25 AM
I never for once doubted there being life on other planets but now I am even more higher on them being real

Slappy8800
08-10-2006, 12:28 AM
alot of interesting stuff...but i have 1 question for people that believe that aliens helped build the pyramids or for people that believe aliens contacted ancient civilizations.....


why is it they havent contacted or help us with anything? i mean, did they just decide to lay low for a thousand years

who says they havent?

Slappy8800
08-10-2006, 12:32 AM
no one is saying that egyptians are aliens..i think its just comparing a city scape

Flame
08-10-2006, 12:35 AM
We think like them, or they think like us?

Nappy Roots
08-10-2006, 12:37 AM
who says they havent?


im pretty sure it would be national news if aliens came down and helped a dude build his dog a house

Slappy8800
08-10-2006, 12:41 AM
im pretty sure it would be national news if aliens came down and helped a dude build his dog a house

theres alot of news that happens that the general public doesnt know about...but yea that would be news.....im guessing they have better things to do

like2god
08-10-2006, 12:58 AM
whats the point with the pictures of egypt help me out:confused:

To compare them to the pics from Mars. :wink:

To show the geometry of a city (cairo) to a possible city on Mars.

like2god
08-10-2006, 01:02 AM
this screams photoshop. If there really were underground Martian cities, wouldn't you think the'd have wildly different architecture than we have on earth?

Sorry bro, those are raw data pics from NASA/JPL. The only thing that was done to them (by the research team of Enterprise Mission) was to overlay the Red, Blue and Green data pics over one another to make that composite. The Mars Odyssey takes pictures in different spectrums and sends them back to earth. They just stacked the photos one on top of the other to come up with that result.

like2god
08-10-2006, 01:08 AM
alot of interesting stuff...but i have 1 question for people that believe that aliens helped build the pyramids or for people that believe aliens contacted ancient civilizations.....


why is it they havent contacted or help us with anything? i mean, did they just decide to lay low for a thousand years

Some people think they have.

Colonel Philip J. Corso (US ARMY) wrote a book "The Day After Roswell" in which he claims that he was put in charge of a program by the US government to go to places like Lockheed Martin to have the artifacts that were found in the Roswell wreckage backwards engineered. Meaning they took apart what they found to see how it was made and how it works. He claims that is how we "invented" night vision goggles and fibre optics.

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like2god
08-10-2006, 01:10 AM
im pretty sure it would be national news if aliens came down and helped a dude build his dog a house

Not true, the "Brookings Report" which was authored by the US government, says that if they had evidence of aliens, they would cover it up because it would cause the downfall of belief systems and even civilization itself.

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dolfan72734me
08-10-2006, 04:46 AM
Oh man, i love this subject. Crystalinks.com is an awesome site. Beforeus.com is another good one.
Robert Bauval, Graham Hancock, Zecharia Sitchen...all good authors.
i am reading "Fingerprints of the Gods" right now, and the current subject is the Viracocha of the Inca's. The "Sirius Mystery" by Robert Temple is next on my list.

Bruzer
08-10-2006, 07:54 AM
One question earlier was why would they have humans build for them. Who knows could be fun / a tribute to them. If you could command ants to build a city that would be out of your pleasure you would probably do it. Same principle.

As for humans being a hybrid of aliens im partial on that theory because I can see some of the reasons it could be but also at same time thier is very little to support that theory other than the star child bone. Although the starchild bone is very convincing evidence. Anything is possible in my opinion since we know much less than we think about the past.

For instance did you know that actually they found evidence of cro-magnon existed before neanderthals. That shakes up the evolutionary chain a little bit.

Alex44
08-10-2006, 08:03 AM
One question earlier was why would they have humans build for them. Who knows could be fun / a tribute to them. If you could command ants to build a city that would be out of your pleasure you would probably do it. Same principle.

As for humans being a hybrid of aliens im partial on that theory because I can see some of the reasons it could be but also at same time thier is very little to support that theory other than the star child bone. Although the starchild bone is very convincing evidence. Anything is possible in my opinion since we know much less than we think about the past.

For instance did you know that actually they found evidence of cro-magnon existed before neanderthals. That shakes up the evolutionary chain a little bit.

That would be so cool :lol:

I keep looking at myself in the mirror and wondering now, and it seems like the longer I look and think the more it makes sense.

Think about this, if we just straight evolved from cavemen/monkeys/anything, why do we look basically the same as our species did 1000 years ago, other than the fact that maybe we are bigger/stronger/faster our physical appearance is basically the same. So either humans are a lot older than we think (because evolution is slow), we were put here by someone (Im not a believer in god) or Something sped the evolution process and/or 'engineered' us for lack of a better word

like2god
08-10-2006, 04:38 PM
Oh man, i love this subject. Crystalinks.com is an awesome site. Beforeus.com is another good one.
Robert Bauval, Graham Hancock, Zecharia Sitchen...all good authors.
i am reading "Fingerprints of the Gods" right now, and the current subject is the Viracocha of the Inca's. The "Sirius Mystery" by Robert Temple is next on my list.

Very good book. :yes:

dolfan72734me
08-10-2006, 05:31 PM
Very good book. :yes:
Yes it is. Shows alot about past events that should change history itself. But then all of the so called experts, teachers, and history books would all be wrong. Can't have that happening now, can we? Oh no, our society couldn't handle that.

Alex44
08-10-2006, 10:07 PM
/me makes sure this thread stays alive :lol:

I realized there are two kinds of people

1: Those who think they know everything

2: THose who know they really dont know anything but have the desire to learn

I think skeptics will always be #1 seeing as they wont open their mind to other possibilities

#2 will always be thought of as odd and/or crazy, because he/she will entertain thoughts that seem outragous to others because they want to find out for themselves what is true, not caring that others say that its impossible

Anyway thats what I thought of while I was in the shower :lol:

unluckyluciano
08-10-2006, 10:15 PM
/me makes sure this thread stays alive :lol:

I realized there are two kinds of people

1: Those who think they know everything

2: THose who know they really dont know anything but have the desire to learn

I think skeptics will always be #1 seeing as they wont open their mind to other possibilities

#2 will always be thought of as odd and/or crazy, because he/she will entertain thoughts that seem outragous to others because they want to find out for themselves what is true, not caring that others say that its impossible

Anyway thats what I thought of while I was in the shower :lol:

I think you have the wrong idea about skeptics as do other self called skeptics. Being skeptical is not immediatley dismissing everything. Being skeptical is questioning everything consistently till there is adequate proof then questioning the proof, i.e. origins, relevance etc. Hence I may be skeptical about ufo's because I have done alot of research into it, it was my obsession for many years, read books about it , and whyll there is unexplained events I just dont see enough evidence to support UFO's as being the cause. So when I question UFO's I am not saying thats stupid or not likely or whatever I am saying ok I'm here read what you put now prove it.

Alex44
08-10-2006, 10:22 PM
I think you have the wrong idea about skeptics as do other self called skeptics. Being skeptical is not immediatley dismissing everything. Being skeptical is questioning everything consistently till there is adequate proof then questioning the proof, i.e. origins, relevance etc. Hence I may be skeptical about ufo's because I have done alot of research into it, it was my obsession for many years, read books about it , and whyll there is unexplained events I just dont see enough evidence to support UFO's as being the cause. So when I question UFO's I am not saying thats stupid or not likely or whatever I am saying ok I'm here read what you put now prove it.

There are different types of skeptics I guess, I was thinking more along the lines of people who just dismiss everything they hear though, but you made a really good point

like2god
08-10-2006, 10:38 PM
There are 2 types of skeptics......the ones that say "I'll believe it when I see it" and the ones that say "I won't believe it, even if you show me proof".

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Alex44
08-10-2006, 10:41 PM
There are 2 types of skeptics......the ones that say "I'll believe it when I see it" and the ones that say "I won't believe it, even if you show me proof".

.

Exactly! Thats what I meant, I was trying to describe the second

There are also two kinds of believers

Those that will admit when they are wrong, and those that want to live in a fantasy world

King Felix
08-10-2006, 10:57 PM
wow cool thread.......l2g can u send me those links or alex forward them please. :pray:

like2god
08-10-2006, 11:08 PM
wow cool thread.......l2g can u send me those links or alex forward them please. :pray:

Yeah, I actually just made a list of everybody that asked for them or showed mild interest in the pics that I posted. I do that right now.

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Alex44
08-10-2006, 11:09 PM
Yeah, I actually just made a list of everybody that asked for them or showed mild interest in the pics that I posted. I do that right now.

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I forwarded it already :tongue:

King Felix
08-10-2006, 11:11 PM
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2006/08/FossilComp1-1.jpg

PHINATIC13
08-10-2006, 11:16 PM
I don't know if I believe in "ufo's" or Aliens,but I do think it's naive to believe we are the only form of life in the universe.

Nappy Roots
08-10-2006, 11:17 PM
http://www.enterprisemission.com/_articles/03-08-2004/images/FossilComp1.jpg






:confused:

King Felix
08-10-2006, 11:28 PM
:confused:lol idk. alien fossil?

King Felix
08-10-2006, 11:51 PM
all this reminds me of signs

Nappy Roots
08-11-2006, 12:10 AM
lol idk. alien fossil?


bahaha. looks like a reef to me.

lazareth
08-11-2006, 03:30 AM
Yeah, I actually just made a list of everybody that asked for them or showed mild interest in the pics that I posted. I do that right now.

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speaking of which, thanks for the links l2g :hi5:

Bruzer
08-11-2006, 09:15 AM
l2g I would like to see links also.

Yea I just get frustrated though with the skeptics that stated above I won't believe unless you show me proof atleast the other skeptics will be half-way open minded and look into it. As where the other ones will dismiss it without knowing anything.

I believe alot of ufo sightings are nothing but planes being tested at night but thier are some that are completely unexplainable. Like the pheonix lights.. wtf I dunno they said it was flares but it reminds me nothing of a flare and they move.

Yea I would like to keep this topic alive though very interresting stuff to talk about I will go look for some more good pictures/videos :D

Alex44
08-11-2006, 01:19 PM
l2g I would like to see links also.

Yea I just get frustrated though with the skeptics that stated above I won't believe unless you show me proof atleast the other skeptics will be half-way open minded and look into it. As where the other ones will dismiss it without knowing anything.

I believe alot of ufo sightings are nothing but planes being tested at night but thier are some that are completely unexplainable. Like the pheonix lights.. wtf I dunno they said it was flares but it reminds me nothing of a flare and they move.

Yea I would like to keep this topic alive though very interresting stuff to talk about I will go look for some more good pictures/videos :D


:yes:

like2god
08-11-2006, 01:39 PM
l2g I would like to see links also.

Yea I just get frustrated though with the skeptics that stated above I won't believe unless you show me proof atleast the other skeptics will be half-way open minded and look into it. As where the other ones will dismiss it without knowing anything.

I believe alot of ufo sightings are nothing but planes being tested at night but thier are some that are completely unexplainable. Like the pheonix lights.. wtf I dunno they said it was flares but it reminds me nothing of a flare and they move.

Yea I would like to keep this topic alive though very interresting stuff to talk about I will go look for some more good pictures/videos :D

I just sent the links to you. Hope you find them interesting.


speaking of which, thanks for the links l2g :hi5:

No problem bro. :cooldude:

If anybody else would like the links, just shoot me a pm.

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Alex44
08-11-2006, 01:41 PM
I just sent the links to you. Hope you find them interesting.



No problem bro. :cooldude:

If anybody else would like the links, just shoot me a pm.

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Or me because I can forward it to anyone :yes:

Kind of a random question but

What made everyone else here interested in this topic?

Bruzer
08-11-2006, 02:04 PM
I dunno why I'm so interest in it mainly because I have a thing for the unexplainable and unknown. Like I stated before my family and I have stories that go beyond explainable and ever since I was a kid I would watch x-files because it caught my interest more than any other show (including cartoons).

I hope to one day see a "UFO" but thats a once in a lifetime thing. I don't want to see it to close though :D.

Also L2G loved the links it really makes you think. To me it looks like those a pyramids in those pictures. A mountian would be more odd shaped in my opinion not such a clean triangle.

http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/photohome.asp here is a site for you guys it has reports, interviews and pictures cool to look through

In_Flames
08-11-2006, 02:23 PM
UFOs and Dinosaurs are great and all, but someone really needs to start a thread like this for Ghosts and all things paranormal (including ghosts, ghost stories, ghost photos, monsters, ESP, psychic phenomena, etc..) :wink:

Alex44
08-11-2006, 02:26 PM
I dunno why I'm so interest in it mainly because I have a thing for the unexplainable and unknown. Like I stated before my family and I have stories that go beyond explainable and ever since I was a kid I would watch x-files because it caught my interest more than any other show (including cartoons).

I hope to one day see a "UFO" but thats a once in a lifetime thing. I don't want to see it to close though :D.

Also L2G loved the links it really makes you think. To me it looks like those a pyramids in those pictures. A mountian would be more odd shaped in my opinion not such a clean triangle.

http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/photohome.asp here is a site for you guys it has reports, interviews and pictures cool to look through

For me I think its that everyone always tells you what to believe growing up (About God, Politics, the way the world is) and I never really agreed with people on their outlooks on certain things so Ive always wanted to figure things out on my own, so Im more open minded to it

like2god
08-11-2006, 02:34 PM
UFOs and Dinosaurs are great and all, but someone really needs to start a thread like this for Ghosts and all things paranormal (including ghosts, ghost stories, ghost photos, monsters, ESP, psychic phenomena, etc..) :wink:

:lol:

I don't know if FH can handle another thread like this.

If you are serious, then sure we can start up a conversation about it. :wink:

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Alex44
08-11-2006, 02:36 PM
:lol:

I don't know if FH can handle another thread like this.

If you are serious, then sure we can start up a conversation about it. :wink:

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We should have some sort of badge for the people that post here a lot and are interested in these things :lol:

like2god
08-11-2006, 02:37 PM
I dunno why I'm so interest in it mainly because I have a thing for the unexplainable and unknown. Like I stated before my family and I have stories that go beyond explainable and ever since I was a kid I would watch x-files because it caught my interest more than any other show (including cartoons).

I hope to one day see a "UFO" but thats a once in a lifetime thing. I don't want to see it to close though :D.

Also L2G loved the links it really makes you think. To me it looks like those a pyramids in those pictures. A mountian would be more odd shaped in my opinion not such a clean triangle.

http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/photohome.asp here is a site for you guys it has reports, interviews and pictures cool to look through

If you take into account that those "pyramids" have been weathered and eroded for hundreds and thousands of years by dust storms, it makes those pictures even more amazing.

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like2god
08-11-2006, 02:38 PM
We should have some sort of badge for the people that post here a lot and are interested in these things :lol:

I'm waiting for the Mor or dday to post a pic of a guy in a rubber room as our badge. :lol:

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Bruzer
08-11-2006, 02:40 PM
Start a ghost thread I love to talk about that if you want I can start it also I got videos I know of from shows online that make you go wow. If there isnt one started an hour from now I will start it.

Back on topic yea I agree L2G it is amazing considering the conditions they probably have gone through. Im sure thier are more images than we can imagine showing some of this stuff better but government holds it back.

like2god
08-11-2006, 02:46 PM
Start a ghost thread I love to talk about that if you want I can start it also I got videos I know of from shows online that make you go wow. If there isnt one started an hour from now I will start it.

Back on topic yea I agree L2G it is amazing considering the conditions they probably have gone through. Im sure thier are more images than we can imagine showing some of this stuff better but government holds it back.



That is very possible, infact the guy from the Enterprise mission had a politican (either McCain or Richardson) take up his cause and demand that Michael Malin (the guy in charge of releasing the pictures) stop holding the images back from the public. Apparently there were records of the pics taken from different orbiters and he conveniently "lost them". After the politician went to bat for the American people (remember, we pay for these missions to other planets), that Malin guy dumped a few thousand pics on the net, but there are still many that haven't been released.

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Alex44
08-11-2006, 02:48 PM
That is very possible, infact the guy from the Enterprise mission had a politican (either McCain or Richardson) take up his cause and demand that Michael Malin (the guy in charge of releasing the pictures) stop holding the images back from the public. Apparently there were records of the pics taken from different orbiters and he conveniently "lost them". After the politician went to bat for the American people (remember, we pay for these missions to other planets), that Malin guy dumped a few thousand pics on the net, but there are still many that haven't been released.

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Im going to be president someday and you wont have to worry about things being held back from the public :lol:

Actually I could never have any power....I dont lie and cheat enough to get it :nono:

like2god
08-11-2006, 03:15 PM
Im going to be president someday and you wont have to worry about things being held back from the public :lol:

Actually I could never have any power....I dont lie and cheat enough to get it :nono::lol:

Bill Clinton tried to get the info released, he didn't have enough "power" to do so.

:wink:

Alex44
08-11-2006, 05:03 PM
I think its funny how everyone says 'one person cant change the world'

Is there any better way to discourage kids? Besides if two people think they can its no longer one anyway

Parents are evil :lol: trying to crush kids :lol:

dolfan72734me
08-11-2006, 07:54 PM
:lol:

Bill Clinton tried to get the info released, he didn't have enough "power" to do so.

:wink:
Jimmy Carter was also interested in the subject.

dolfan72734me
08-11-2006, 08:09 PM
This one is weirdhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YT-2u3HMkA

Alex44
08-12-2006, 12:55 PM
Do you think we will have any real answers within our lifetimes?

Metal Panda
08-12-2006, 01:35 PM
Here's my two cents:

The world has missed the boat on many things. People hear a story and they run down a slippery slope with it.

If microscopic alien life is detected on another planet, wow, this proves Alien spacecraft exists.

To the other degree, if a flying object we cannot identify is caught in film or picture, it proves alien lifeform.

What is my belief?

I don't think it's unreasonable to assume there is life on other planets. I'm just not sure why everybody assumes the lifeforms would inherently be non-primitive beings.

I used to hear the hilarious argument for years that of course alien life would have better technology and sophistication than us, because they had been around longer. Despite the obvious hilarity of that argument, even when taken serious it makes no sense--the dinosaurs were around millions of years but they were primordial, primitive animals. It has little to do with longevity, and everything to do with the type of organism they are.

My opinion? There probably is alien life, but it's probably primitive life as a regular animal on Earth is.

Unidentified flying objects? Just that--"unidentified flying objects"...which are always conveniently blurred

Bruzer
08-12-2006, 02:16 PM
So you are to say we are smartest thing in this galaxy.... Sorry but thats just as ignorant in my opinion.

Alex44
08-12-2006, 02:25 PM
So you are to say we are smartest thing in this galaxy.... Sorry but thats just as ignorant in my opinion.

That was my thought also

Yes there probally are primitive life forms as well, but to think we are the only ones with technology and real problem solving ability is insane

Metal Panda
08-12-2006, 03:00 PM
So you are to say we are smartest thing in this galaxy.... Sorry but thats just as ignorant in my opinion.

Terrible post. Do you care to offer some evidence that we aren't?

Is it just me, or is it annoying when these pro-UFO/pro alien lifeform fanatics rush to call others "ignorant" despite lack of evidence to support their claim.

Why is it such controversial thought that alien lifeforms might not be advanced? Because it destroys your sci-fi fan theories?

Metal Panda
08-12-2006, 03:01 PM
That was my thought also

Yes there probally are primitive life forms as well, but to think we are the only ones with technology and real problem solving ability is insane

Another terrible post.

You UFO fanatics are quick to label anybody who disagrees with you as "ignorant" or "insane", yet you offer NOTHING in the way of support of your argument.

Call me back to this thread when there's going to be actual thinking going on.

Bruzer
08-12-2006, 03:04 PM
Calm down lol...

I'm sorry in this whole galaxy your saying that we are the absolute smartest im sorry but I can't buy that. To think we are ones with problem solving abilities. I guess its your opinion but it contradicts mainly this whole thread so most of posters in here will agree with me that its dumb to think that we are the smartest.

Its also annoying when people ignore whats presented in front of thier eyes look through the first post and websites that linked. Once you explain every single picture from history and why they correspond with current day reports. Until then I will take your word with little grain of salt.

Also if we had evidence to support UFO's then there wouldn't be a thread full of theories were mainly discussing our look on UFO's and aliens. If you don't like our opinions then don't read the thread simple...

Also you come back to this thread when you will actually open you mind past the idea of us being smartest thing in this galaxy becuase this whole thread is about aliens and ufos that visit earth and such. If you want a topic on primative beast on other planets then make it. Personally your post are just as bad if not worse then ours.... Telling us to post when thinking is going on... Also post some pictures supporting your theory that there are only primative life on other planets then we will discuss it but you got nothing to offer than your "word".

Metal Panda
08-12-2006, 03:07 PM
Calm down lol...

I'm sorry in this whole galaxy your saying that we are the absolute smartest im sorry but I can't buy that theory. To think we are ones with problem solving abilities. I guess its your opinion but it contradicts mainly this whole thread so most of posters in here will agree with me that its dumb to think that we are the smartest.



Sorry, but "groupthink" does not make for a good argument. Merely because people agree with you doesn't add any weight to the opinion.




Its also annoying when people ignore whats presented in front of thier eyes look through the first post and websites that linked. Once you explain every single picture from history and why they correspond with current day reports. Until then I will take your word with little grain of salt.

None of the evidence posted here proves anything. Does some of it raise questions? Sure it does...but merely raising questions and actually "proving" something are on completely different planes. There's a lot that cannot be explained in this world, but you can't use that as a slippery slope and say "SEE, I'M RIGHT!"

I'm not the type who wouldn't believe something if it stared me in the face. Alien lifeforms don't threaten my beliefs, I'm pretty much an atheist anyway. But God forbid somebody actually isn't impressed with the 'evidence' supplied.

It's fine to speculate--where you cross the line is when you start labeling others who don't follow your fanaticism, which is exactly what you are doing.

Bruzer
08-12-2006, 03:12 PM
I won't even argue with you because there is nothing to argue... If you don't agree with our point fine then good for you... I will get back to discussing what I think and not arguing you about what you think. As it is your opinion...

Im not going to ruin what a good thread with arguing...

Metal Panda
08-12-2006, 03:14 PM
I won't even argue with you because there is nothing to argue... If you don't agree with our point fine then good for you... I will get back to discussing what I think and not arguing you about what you think. As it is your opinion...

Im not going to ruin what a good thread with arguing...

Hahaha. Actually, arguing is what turns threads into great threads. You see, arguing does not mean "fighting", it actually means two sides with divergent points sculpting an opinion and making a case for their side.

This thread is useless, however, as it exists merely to marginalize those whom disagree with you as "crazy" (which is extremely ironic).

Bruzer
08-12-2006, 03:17 PM
Read the thread title its "Evidence of UFOs in History" not lets argue on our views of aliens and ufos we are merly discussing pictures from the past and other pictures provided from satelltes etc.. not to turn this thread into a huge arguement between skeptics and non-skeptics. If you want a thread to argue existence of a smarter race then us. Also just becuase you think thread is useless doesn't mean it is...

I never said it was crazy to disagree with me becuase until the day ufo lands for everyone to see we are the crazy ones with crack pot theories so you got the majority on your side but I could careless this is my opinion but it has no less or more weight than your opinion.

Metal Panda
08-12-2006, 03:19 PM
Read the thread title its "Evidence of UFOs in History" not lets argue on our views of aliens and ufos we are merly discussing pictures from the past not to turn this thread into a huge arguement between skeptics and non-skeptics.

"I know there are probably several skeptics on this forums and thats fine but I don't want any skeptics going. "Bull**** this is all fake etc.." I would like a constructive conversation."

From your post on the first page.

I posted my beliefs in a civilized manner, and was directly called ignorant, and indirectly called insane.

Hypocrite. I'll leave your precious little thread alone so you can be surrounded by those who think like you only, so your beliefs aren't threatened.

Bruzer
08-12-2006, 03:24 PM
Call me whatever you like and whatever makes you feel good cause I could care less what you think of me.

I mean I still would like to here you explain what you think is in those pictures I honestly would like your view on them I just am just annoyed by people who think we are smartest thing. It our own point of views and thats fine... Anyways I would like to here you thoughts on what you think is depicted in most those paintings and cave wall drawings.

Metal Panda
08-12-2006, 03:27 PM
I just am just annoyed by people who think we are smartest thing.

You're annoyed by people who believe something that hasn't been proven to be false yet?

I'll be happy to give my two cents on "what I think those pictures are", but at another time....when I'm in a better mood.

like2god
08-12-2006, 03:29 PM
Terrible post. Do you care to offer some evidence that we aren't?

Is it just me, or is it annoying when these pro-UFO/pro alien lifeform fanatics rush to call others "ignorant" despite lack of evidence to support their claim.

Why is it such controversial thought that alien lifeforms might not be advanced? Because it destroys your sci-fi fan theories?

Bro, I am trying to look at this from a scientific perspective, I'm not the type of person that sees a blinking light on the bottom of an airplane at night and yells "look, it's a UFO".

When scientists sit down to think about this subject, they look at all possibilities. They have theorized that there are thousands of "life sustaining" planets in our own galaxy. Does that mean that those planets have life? No, but it doesn't disprove it either. Common sense says that if there is life, some of it will be older and more sophisticated than us and some of it will not. You are right, not all older civilizations are going to be more advanced than us and not all of them will have the ability to do be more advanced, due to their species. But it is very ignorant to think that everybody is delusional and UFO nuts because you feel differently. This thread was made to talk about ideas, some of us agree and some of us don't, but we are trying to keep it civil in here. I would be very interested to hear your thoughts on the subject, but don't belittle people who think different than you.

:wink:

Metal Panda
08-12-2006, 03:56 PM
But it is very ignorant to think that everybody is delusional and UFO nuts because you feel differently. This thread was made to talk about ideas, some of us agree and some of us don't, but we are trying to keep it civil in here. I would be very interested to hear your thoughts on the subject, but don't belittle people who think different than you.

:wink:

Uh...you're joking, right? Or did you miss where Brusen shot the first arrow? I said his post was "terrible" as he called me ignorant for merely disagreeing with his opinion. Which by the way, I actually posted without reading his beliefs, I was more or less just throwing what I believed in there.

Read my first post again. Where did I say people were delusional? I merely said the 'evidence' I typically see is slippery slope logic, and gave my opinion. I criticized only those whom used slippery slope logic.

Brusen then belittled me for daring to say that it's possible that there isn't advanced alien life. You have to understand where I'm coming from--for years I've had to endure or have seen others endure endless criticism for daring not to believe in advanced alien lifeforms, not because their arguments were shoddy, but merely because they "didn't believe".

I don't think UFO nuts are delusional by any means. I'm not even saying they're "wrong". I merely posted my two cents, and got labeled for it. I do not mind people whom believe in alien life, but I can't stand when they marginalize people whom don't. and I merely said I accept there may be alien life, but that doesn't inherently make them "superior" alien life. BIG diff.

By the way, I don't expect anybody in this thread to be able to "prove" aliens exist. Otherwise you wouldn't be here, you'd be on television, or in the media. My point was that the evidence in here is not indisputable evidence, most of it is interpretation, and for one to actually call one "ignorant" or "insane" for not buying into it is unfair.

I suggest you reread the last page. Brusen started the mudslinging. Hell, he's the same one whom earlier in the thread basically said he didn't take skeptics seriously and stereotyped the whole lot.

Alex44
08-12-2006, 04:25 PM
Another terrible post.

You UFO fanatics are quick to label anybody who disagrees with you as "ignorant" or "insane", yet you offer NOTHING in the way of support of your argument.

Call me back to this thread when there's going to be actual thinking going on.

The universe is so huge that yes it is insane to think that we are the only intelligent life

Im not calling you insane im calling the idea insane. Stop being so immature. Who is the hypocrit here? You say you were just here to discuss something and go off bashing us when we state an idea. great job

Alex44
08-12-2006, 04:28 PM
Uh...you're joking, right? Or did you miss where Brusen shot the first arrow? I said his post was "terrible" as he called me ignorant for merely disagreeing with his opinion. Which by the way, I actually posted without reading his beliefs, I was more or less just throwing what I believed in there.

Read my first post again. Where did I say people were delusional? I merely said the 'evidence' I typically see is slippery slope logic, and gave my opinion. I criticized only those whom used slippery slope logic.

Brusen then belittled me for daring to say that it's possible that there isn't advanced alien life. You have to understand where I'm coming from--for years I've had to endure or have seen others endure endless criticism for daring not to believe in advanced alien lifeforms, not because their arguments were shoddy, but merely because they "didn't believe".

I don't think UFO nuts are delusional by any means. I'm not even saying they're "wrong". I merely posted my two cents, and got labeled for it. I do not mind people whom believe in alien life, but I can't stand when they marginalize people whom don't. and I merely said I accept there may be alien life, but that doesn't inherently make them "superior" alien life. BIG diff.

By the way, I don't expect anybody in this thread to be able to "prove" aliens exist. Otherwise you wouldn't be here, you'd be on television, or in the media. My point was that the evidence in here is not indisputable evidence, most of it is interpretation, and for one to actually call one "ignorant" or "insane" for not buying into it is unfair.

I suggest you reread the last page. Brusen started the mudslinging. Hell, he's the same one whom earlier in the thread basically said he didn't take skeptics seriously and stereotyped the whole lot.

I wasnt trying to label you and I didnt call you insane

I said with the size of the universe its insane to think that we are the only intelligent life, even if there arent UFOs or anything im sure there is intelligent life somewhere out there

like2god
08-12-2006, 04:53 PM
Uh...you're joking, right? Or did you miss where Brusen shot the first arrow? I said his post was "terrible" as he called me ignorant for merely disagreeing with his opinion. Which by the way, I actually posted without reading his beliefs, I was more or less just throwing what I believed in there.

Read my first post again. Where did I say people were delusional? I merely said the 'evidence' I typically see is slippery slope logic, and gave my opinion. I criticized only those whom used slippery slope logic.

Brusen then belittled me for daring to say that it's possible that there isn't advanced alien life. You have to understand where I'm coming from--for years I've had to endure or have seen others endure endless criticism for daring not to believe in advanced alien lifeforms, not because their arguments were shoddy, but merely because they "didn't believe".

I don't think UFO nuts are delusional by any means. I'm not even saying they're "wrong". I merely posted my two cents, and got labeled for it. I do not mind people whom believe in alien life, but I can't stand when they marginalize people whom don't. and I merely said I accept there may be alien life, but that doesn't inherently make them "superior" alien life. BIG diff.

By the way, I don't expect anybody in this thread to be able to "prove" aliens exist. Otherwise you wouldn't be here, you'd be on television, or in the media. My point was that the evidence in here is not indisputable evidence, most of it is interpretation, and for one to actually call one "ignorant" or "insane" for not buying into it is unfair.

I suggest you reread the last page. Brusen started the mudslinging. Hell, he's the same one whom earlier in the thread basically said he didn't take skeptics seriously and stereotyped the whole lot.

If I misread or misunderstood I apologize. I just don't want this thread to be turned into an screaming match, by anybody. Lets all act like adults and discuss this in a civil manner.

:cooldude:

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Bruzer
08-12-2006, 05:01 PM
I agree L2G thats why I stopped becuase I don't want this thread out of hand.

like2god
08-12-2006, 05:14 PM
I agree L2G thats why I stopped becuase I don't want this thread out of hand.

Thanks bro. :wink:

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dolfan72734me
08-12-2006, 05:17 PM
http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif
Let's get this thread back on track. Come on everyone, stay civil please.

dolfan72734me
08-12-2006, 05:45 PM
l2g, you ever read anything on the "ancient vimana aircraft" found in ancient India sanscrit?
Check this out
http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc116.htm
http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/scripts/vimana.html

Alex44
08-12-2006, 05:52 PM
l2g, you ever read anything on the "ancient vimana aircraft" found in ancient India sanscrit?
Check this out
http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc116.htm
http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/scripts/vimana.html

Pretty interesting stuff

like2god
08-12-2006, 06:04 PM
l2g, you ever read anything on the "ancient vimana aircraft" found in ancient India sanscrit?
Check this out
http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc116.htm
http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/scripts/vimana.html

Nope, but thanks for the links bro. I check it out.

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Alex44
08-13-2006, 10:54 AM
So how is everyone? Anyone think of any other good questions about it?

/me doesnt want the thread to die :cry: :lol:

like2god
08-13-2006, 12:47 PM
So how is everyone? Anyone think of any other good questions about it?

/me doesnt want the thread to die :cry: :lol:

I'm still trying to find time to read the links dolfan72734me posted for us. I think I'll do that now.

I don't want this thread to die either. :wink:

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Alex44
08-13-2006, 12:49 PM
I'm still trying to find time to read the links dolfan72734me posted for us. I think I'll do that now.

I don't want this thread to die either. :wink:

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They are really LONG links :lol: I read most of the first one

dolfan72734me
08-13-2006, 01:58 PM
Man, I had a really long list of links bookmarked before my cp crashed a while back. I am having trouble finding them again, but when I do, I will post them. I had some really good stuff. Some of it was really out there, but still interesting.

Alex44
08-13-2006, 03:18 PM
http://www.earthchangestv.com/facemars/overlay.htm


I thought this was pretty interesting, I was just looking for some good pics of the 'face' on mars and found it

MARINO1384
08-13-2006, 03:28 PM
http://www.earthchangestv.com/facemars/overlay.htm


I thought this was pretty interesting, I was just looking for some good pics of the 'face' on mars and found it

interesting but didnt they already disprove the face on mars?

Alex44
08-13-2006, 03:31 PM
interesting but didnt they already disprove the face on mars?

Not that I know of. Of course they will never tell anyone what it actually is though. (Assuming it is something)

Even if the government knew about Alien life they couldnt tell us straight out, it would cause so much commotion and change the very way people think (religon, life, etc) .

Bruzer
08-13-2006, 03:36 PM
Say even if they release pictures to disprove that face who says government didn't edit the pictures to make us think its nothing more than a mountian etc.. I mean you honestly can't trust images released by government organizations.

Alex44
08-13-2006, 03:39 PM
Say even if they release pictures to disprove that face who says government didn't edit the pictures to make us think its nothing more than a mountian etc.. I mean you honestly can't trust images released by government organizations.

Thats pretty much my motto :lol:


The government doesnt ALWAYS lie but they do enough to where you have to try and figure things out yourself and not just believe everything your told :yes:

MARINO1384
08-13-2006, 03:44 PM
i saw this really good documentry about a ufo that crashed into some bay and the government found it and were right above it on the water but they were distracted by a russian submerine and while trying to get rid of it they ufo flew like 30 miles under water to some other bay. It had an interview with one of the divers that saw the ufo....it was pretty good

Alex44
08-13-2006, 03:48 PM
http://ufocasebook.com/caponi.html

Just for the sake of conversation. Real or Fake?

I say fake but its interesting anyway

RiderOnTheStorm
08-13-2006, 04:40 PM
So guys, what dya all make of the Roswell incident?

If it was a weather balloon, as the US Air Force would like us to think, why go heavy handed and influence people to change statements on what they had actually seen?

Nappy Roots
08-13-2006, 04:41 PM
So guys, what dya all make of the Roswell incident?

If it was a weather balloon, as the US Air Force would like us to think, why go heavy handed and influence people to change statements on what they had actually seen?



it was a government weapon expirement. plain and simple.

MARINO1384
08-13-2006, 05:02 PM
it was a government weapon expirement. plain and simple.

Then why not just say that? We just got over a huge world war so of course we were testing weapons but why first say it was a ufo then a weatherballon?

MARINO1384
08-13-2006, 05:03 PM
http://ufocasebook.com/caponi.html

Just for the sake of conversation. Real or Fake?

I say fake but its interesting anyway

if it kept coming back then why wouldnt u bring a video camera the next time it came? I think its fake also

Nappy Roots
08-13-2006, 05:04 PM
Then why not just say that? We just got over a huge world war so of course we were testing weapons but why first say it was a ufo then a weatherballon?


they did say it. that was a time they couldnt afford any military secrets to leak, their not going to tell everyone whats really going on during that time.

Slappy8800
08-13-2006, 05:04 PM
So guys, what dya all make of the Roswell incident?

If it was a weather balloon, as the US Air Force would like us to think, why go heavy handed and influence people to change statements on what they had actually seen?

funny thing is, originally the govt said it was indeed a UFO...then changed it to a Weather Balloon

like2god
08-13-2006, 05:09 PM
If anybody gets the National Geographic channel, there is a very good show about UFO's. It is called UFO's seeing is believing and it's on right now. Later tonight there will be shows (naked science) about the moon, the sun and the next possible ice age.

-like2

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MARINO1384
08-13-2006, 05:13 PM
If anybody gets the National Geographic channel, there is a very good show about UFO's. It is called UFO's seeing is believing and it's on right now. Later tonight there will be shows (naked science) about the moon, the sun and the next possible ice age.

-like2

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thanks bro

like2god
08-13-2006, 05:15 PM
i saw this really good documentry about a ufo that crashed into some bay and the government found it and were right above it on the water but they were distracted by a russian submerine and while trying to get rid of it they ufo flew like 30 miles under water to some other bay. It had an interview with one of the divers that saw the ufo....it was pretty good

I saw that show, it was about the Shag Harbor UFO.

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/5309/shag.html?200613

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MARINO1384
08-13-2006, 06:15 PM
I saw that show, it was about the Shag Harbor UFO.

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/5309/shag.html?200613

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thanks i couldnt remember the name of it, i never heard of it until i saw the show and it was really interesting

Alex44
08-13-2006, 06:16 PM
If anybody gets the National Geographic channel, there is a very good show about UFO's. It is called UFO's seeing is believing and it's on right now. Later tonight there will be shows (naked science) about the moon, the sun and the next possible ice age.

-like2

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Is it over yet :(

and what channel is it where you are :lol: the channels are usually at least in the same # area usually

MARINO1384
08-13-2006, 06:19 PM
Is it over yet :(

and what channel is it where you are :lol: the channels are usually at least in the same # area usually

its on natl geographic.......it just finished.......theres a good doc. on the mafia now

Alex44
08-13-2006, 06:20 PM
its on natl geographic.......it just finished.......theres a good doc. on the mafia now

Yeah but whats the number of the channel? I know I have it I just cant find it :lol: they will probally replay it eventually

Alex44
08-13-2006, 06:41 PM
Life of Mars?

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mars_life_050216.html

like2god
08-13-2006, 06:41 PM
Yeah but whats the number of the channel? I know I have it I just cant find it :lol: they will probally replay it eventually

The National Geographic channel in my area is channel 126. Also, to add to the list of channels to watch, the Discovery Science channel (it's ch121 for me Alex :lol: ) is a very good channel for interesting shows on space, science and the latest discoveries.

(I'm such a nerd for science)

:shakeno: :lol:

MARINO1384
08-13-2006, 06:42 PM
Yeah but whats the number of the channel? I know I have it I just cant find it :lol: they will probally replay it eventually

umm 270 something for me :lol:

Alex44
08-13-2006, 06:43 PM
The National Geographic channel in my area is channel 126. Also, to add to the list of channels to watch, the Discovery Science channel (it's ch121 for me Alex :lol: ) is a very good channel for interesting shows on space, science and the latest discoveries in science.

(I'm such a nerd for science)

:shakeno: :lol:

Then Im a nerd to :lol: oh well.