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King Felix
08-27-2006, 05:31 PM
AL: jim leyland
NL: no idea..................jerry narron??


thoughts

Ray Finkle
08-27-2006, 05:36 PM
AL: jim leyland
NL: no idea..................jerry narron??


thoughts

AL-Yes
NL- If the Reds make the playoffs then yes. Otherwise either Willie Randolph or Giradi (although he'll have a tougher time winning it).

phunwin
08-27-2006, 05:41 PM
Probably should be Randolph in the NL, if only by default; he's running the only team worth a damn.

Edit: Oh yeah, in the AL, it's got to be Leyland.

RWhitney014
08-27-2006, 06:08 PM
Probably should be Randolph in the NL, if only by default; he's running the only team worth a damn.

Edit: Oh yeah, in the AL, it's got to be Leyland.

Phil, I could win the NL East with that team. Narron, Girardi, and Melvin have all gotten more out of their clubs. Little has an argument if the Dodgers hold on.

But to me, it's really between Narron and Girardi. The Reds were supposed to be an afterthought, and the Marlins were supposed to be historically awful. The Mets were supposed to win the division by a bunch of games anyway. Manager of the year doesn't go to the manager of the best team.

phinphan896
08-27-2006, 06:10 PM
girardi is an amazing manager

Alex44
08-27-2006, 06:41 PM
NL its Girardi no doubt, if you said the Marlins would be 3.0 out of the wildcard at this point and 52-35 since starting 11-31 you would get called crazy

AL - Probally Leyland

unifiedtheory
08-27-2006, 07:57 PM
Hate to rain on the "Leyland parade" but my homer vote goes to Ken Macha.

The A's lost their best starter (Rich Harden) for what amounted to the entire season, their closer (Huston Street) has been on the DL twice, their three best middle relievers (Duchscherer, Witasick and Kennedy) have been out for at least 2 months each at a time, their starting shortstop (Bobby Crosby) has been on the DL twice, Eric Chavez missed 2 weeks, Mark Kotsay has been in and out of the lineup for the last month and Milton Bradley missed a month...

...yet they have a 6 game lead in the AL West and there are only 5 teams in all of Major League Baseball with more wins. That is manager of the year material in my opinion.

Ray Finkle
08-27-2006, 08:03 PM
Hate to rain on the "Leyland parade" but my homer vote goes to Ken Macha.

The A's lost their best starter (Rich Harden) for what amounted to the entire season, their closer (Huston Street) has been on the DL twice, their three best middle relievers (Duchscherer, Witasick and Kennedy) have been out for at least 2 months each at a time, their starting shortstop (Bobby Crosby) has been on the DL twice, Eric Chavez missed 2 weeks, Mark Kotsay has been in and out of the lineup for the last month and Milton Bradley missed a month...

...yet they have a 6 game lead in the AL West and there are only 5 teams in all of Major League Baseball with more wins. That is manager of the year material in my opinion.

Macha will get some votes, but when Leyland's team was picked to finish 4th and have had the best record in baseball for the whole year it's hard to argue Leyland shouldn't get it.

Perfect23
08-27-2006, 08:06 PM
girardi is an amazing manager

why the marlins like 8 gms under


al Leyland nl Jerry Narron

Perfect23
08-27-2006, 08:07 PM
NL its Girardi no doubt, if you said the Marlins would be 3.0 out of the wildcard at this point and 52-35 since starting 11-31 you would get called crazy

AL - Probally Leyland

I thought u said awards have to go to good teams

RWhitney014
08-27-2006, 08:14 PM
why the marlins like 8 gms under


al Leyland nl Jerry Narron

Try three. 63-66, 2 out in the loss column, 3 out overall.

And Uni, I like Macha, but repeat after me: the Detroit Tigers are in first place. In a division with Chicago and Minnesota, for Detroit to have been this dominant is amazing.

FinsNYanksFan13
08-27-2006, 08:31 PM
In the NL either Girardi or Narron (whichever wins the wild-card) or Willie if those two fail to get their team to the playoffs.

In the AL, Leyland unless the Tigers collapse, if not him then Gardenhire if the Twins win the division or Macha if he fails!

Alex44
08-27-2006, 08:40 PM
I thought u said awards have to go to good teams

No I said teams in contention dont put words in my mouth.

BTW the marlins have been one of the best teams in the NL (behind the Mets, or maybe ahead of them now) At 52-35 since starting off 11-31, and are only 3 back of the wildcard

Not to mention have the best pitching out of ANY of the teams in contention now

MikeO
08-27-2006, 08:53 PM
AL--Jim Leyland (if Detroit totally collapses this final month though, then Joe Torre will slip in and steal it)

NL--Jerry Narron (in the playoffs or not, with that pitching staff the fact he has them where they are is good enough)

phinphan896
08-27-2006, 08:54 PM
why the marlins like 8 gms under


al Leyland nl Jerry Narron

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/standings?date=20060827&type=wild&br=5&year=2006&column=gamesBehind&order=false&st=2

check out the standings buddy

RWhitney014
08-27-2006, 08:58 PM
AL--Jim Leyland (if Detroit totally collapses this final month though, then Joe Torre will slip in and steal it)

NL--Jerry Narron (in the playoffs or not, with that pitching staff the fact he has them where they are is good enough)

I know you hate the Marlins and Loria and all that, Mike, but by that logic, you're proving why Girardi should win it.

I agree, Narron was given nothing in his pitching staff and has his team competing. Girardi wasn't given anything, either, but that extended to his entire lineup as well. Reds have Griffey and Dunn, Marlins have Cabrera and Willis (arguably Florida's worst starter all year for those who are currently in the rotation). Girardi had no one at all anywhere. Narron was given a powerful everyday lineup.

MikeO
08-27-2006, 09:03 PM
I know you hate the Marlins and Loria and all that, Mike, but by that logic, you're proving why Girardi should win it.

I agree, Narron was given nothing in his pitching staff and has his team competing. Girardi wasn't given anything, either, but that extended to his entire lineup as well. Reds have Griffey and Dunn, Marlins have Cabrera and Willis (arguably Florida's worst starter all year for those who are currently in the rotation). Girardi had no one at all anywhere. Narron was given a powerful everyday lineup.

I don't hate the Marlins. My god you guys are so friggin sensative!! But when a team draws NO fans (even when they win) and the team just has fire sales every other year, I will call them a JOKE. Because they are just that. It has nothing with hating a team or franchsie. It's just calling it like I see it!!

And I can't consider Girardi for anything until that team is over .500. And the fact he plays in the WORST division in baseball hurts too. That division being so bad will prevent Willy Randolph from getting the award. It will prevent Girardi from even being considered.

finswin56
08-27-2006, 10:21 PM
I agree with Leyland in the AL.
For me it's Girardi in the NL. The Marlins were supposed to lose 100+ games this year. A good portion of this team had no business being out of the minors yet.

djfresh47
08-27-2006, 10:43 PM
If the Twins make the playoffs I think Ron Gardenhire should win it. In the NL alot has to do what happens the rest of the season. I can't really give any manager credit because I don't think any of the teams are very good besides the Mets. If the Phillies end up winning the WC maybe Charlie Manuel gets some votes. Maybe Joe Girardi gets some votes which could be bittersweet for Marlins fans if Loria cans him at the end of the year.

Alex44
08-27-2006, 10:47 PM
The thing you have to think about is who did the most with the least, and got the most out of his players, and put them in position to win. Because thats what a great manager does

To me in the NL thats Girardi

djfresh47
08-27-2006, 10:55 PM
The thing you have to think about is who did the most with the least, and got the most out of his players, and put them in position to win. Because thats what a great manager does

To me in the NL thats Girardi

I actually think Managers do very little. Talent wins out, a great GM is what makes teams successful not a great manager.

Perfect23
08-27-2006, 11:01 PM
No I said teams in contention dont put words in my mouth.

BTW the marlins have been one of the best teams in the NL (behind the Mets, or maybe ahead of them now) At 52-35 since starting off 11-31, and are only 3 back of the wildcard

Not to mention have the best pitching out of ANY of the teams in contention now


damn can u not read what it says how the F*** did i put words in ur mouth I said I thought yeah thought wrong

Ray Finkle
08-27-2006, 11:01 PM
I actually think Managers do very little. Talent wins out, a great GM is what makes teams successful not a great manager.

A former major leaguer once told me that out of 162 games a good manager will win 5 games and lose 5 games, the other 152 are up to the players.

MikeO
08-27-2006, 11:05 PM
It would be funny to see Grady Little win the NL manager of the year and then have the Red Sox miss the playoffs!!!

On some level thats funny

Ray Finkle
08-27-2006, 11:06 PM
It would be funny to see Grady Little win the NL manager of the year and then have the Red Sox miss the playoffs!!!

On some level thats funny

Why would that be funny?

Perfect23
08-27-2006, 11:08 PM
Why would that be funny?


I know really

Alex44
08-27-2006, 11:08 PM
damn can u not read what it says how the F*** did i put words in ur mouth I said I thought yeah thought wrong

First off calm down.

Second off the way you said it I thought you were sarcasticly mocking me for what I said

Third off stay calmed down, no big deal

MikeO
08-27-2006, 11:10 PM
cause you ran him out of town for losing the 2003 ALCS when it wasn't his fault. In all honesty it wasn't.

Now he rebounds and shows the world how good of a manager he is. While Francona did win in 2004, but take away a few weeks in that October he has been a disaster ever since.

It's a little FU from Grady if he wins manager of the year. That's funny

Perfect23
08-27-2006, 11:10 PM
First off calm down.

Second off the way you said it I thought you were sarcasticly mocking me for what I said

Third off stay calmed down, no big deal



yeah it is a big deal

Alex44
08-27-2006, 11:11 PM
I actually think Managers do very little. Talent wins out, a great GM is what makes teams successful not a great manager.

Managers need to get the mental part of the game down for the players (especially young ones) Pinch hit in the right spot, go to the bullpen in the right spot, keep the players head up

IMO managers do a lot more than people seem to give them credit for, If a manager gets his players to play 110% he is a great manager IMO and he will win more games

Alex44
08-27-2006, 11:12 PM
yeah it is a big deal

Okay whatever, its not a big deal to me, you can continue to make it one, wont bother me

MikeO
08-27-2006, 11:13 PM
Managers need to get the mental part of the game down for the players (especially young ones) Pinch hit in the right spot, go to the bullpen in the right spot, keep the players head up

IMO managers do a lot more than people seem to give them credit for, If a manager gets his players to play 110% he is a great manager IMO and he will win more games

MLB managers are glorified babysitters. They make sure their millionare players are happy. Make sure their egos are in check and they aren't feeling disrespected.

That is 90% of their job. The other 10% is, do we call a bunt in the 7th inning to advance a runner. And do we pull a double switch here. And those "rules of game" are all but written in stone and managers can live and die by the numbers there and not get in too much hot water.

Alex44
08-27-2006, 11:16 PM
MLB managers are glorified babysitters. They make sure their millionare players are happy. Make sure their egos are in check and they aren't feeling disrespected.

That is 90% of their job. The other 10% is, do we call a bunt in the 7th inning to advance a runner. And do we pull a double switch here. And those "rules of game" are all but written in stone and managers can live and die by the numbers there and not get in too much hot water.

On teams like the Yankees and Red Sox your right.

But on younger teams the manager and how he handles them is extremely important IMO also I think a team liking/respecting their manager is important to (especially if you have egos on the team)

Ray Finkle
08-27-2006, 11:17 PM
cause you ran him out of town for losing the 2003 ALCS when it wasn't his fault. In all honesty it wasn't.

Now he rebounds and shows the world how good of a manager he is. While Francona did win in 2004, but take away a few weeks in that October he has been a disaster ever since.

It's a little FU from Grady if he wins manager of the year

:sidelol:

Classic clueless/Red Sox hate post. It just proves how little (no pun intended) you know about Little and how bad of an in game manager Grady was. Forget about the Game 7 thing for a minute. He was just a brutual manager. He was a great clubhouse manager but when the game was on the line he would make the dumbest decisions known to man. Like take David Ortiz and Manny out of games for pinch runners in the 7th innings of games in close situations. Always mis-managing the pen or batting. He was terrible.

The fact is half of the Red Sox FO didn't want to hire the guy but did only because he was known as a good clubhouse man the and clubhouse before he arrived was the worst in baseball should tell you something.

Go read "Feeding the Monster" so you can be better informed.

Now about Game 7: Who's fault was it for Game 7 then? He had control of the team, and had every member of the pen healthy and ready yet let Pedro stay in a game he clearly had no business being in. He watched the guy die for 2 years at the 100 pitch mark yet leaves him in around that in the biggest game of his career? Sorry but he's a bad manager. Game 7 was just the icing on the cake for his exit.

Perfect23
08-27-2006, 11:18 PM
On teams like the Yankees and Red Sox your right.

But on younger teams the manager and how he handles them is extremely important IMO also I think a team liking/respecting their manager is important to (especially if you have egos on the team)


then explain the Reds Jerry Narron is a terrible manager and the reds have been playing good

MikeO
08-27-2006, 11:19 PM
On teams like the Yankees and Red Sox your right.

But on younger teams the manager and how he handles them is extremely important IMO also I think a team liking/respecting their manager is important to (especially if you have egos on the team)

The big thing managers can do is kill their pitching staff especially young pitchers. You don't see Jeff Tourborg getting much work these days after he killed off so many good young pitchers.

And if Lirano is out for a full year (365 days) and doens't return till next All Star break like some seem to think, don't expect Minny's manager (Grhardeniher.....I can't spell his name) to stay around long. Making the playoffs or not.

MikeO
08-27-2006, 11:23 PM
:sidelol:

Classic clueless/Red Sox hate post. It just proves how little (no pun intended) you know about Little and how bad of an in game manager Grady was. Forget about the Game 7 thing for a minute. He was just a brutual manager. He was a great clubhouse manager but when the game was on the line he would make the dumbest decisions known to man. Like take David Ortiz and Manny out of games for pinch runners in the 7th innings of games in close situations. Always mis-managing the pen or batting. He was terrible.

The fact is half of the Red Sox FO didn't want to hire the guy but did only because he was known as a good clubhouse man the and clubhouse before he arrived was the worst in baseball should tell you something.

Go read "Feeding the Monster" so you can be better informed.

Now about Game 7: Who's fault was it for Game 7 then? He had control of the team, and had every member of the pen healthy and ready yet let Pedro stay in a game he clearly had no business being in. He watched the guy die for 2 years at the 100 pitch mark yet leaves him in around that in the biggest game of his career? Sorry but he's a bad manager. Game 7 was just the icing on the cake for his exit.

He can't be too bad if he ends up winning the West and manager of the year in LA! With that lineup and that pitching staff.

Ray Finkle
08-27-2006, 11:25 PM
He can't be too bad if he ends up winning the West and manager of the year in LA! With that lineup and that pitching staff.

Because the West is so good? Come on. The Dodgers actually have a pretty good line up (Nomar, Furcal, Kent, Drew, Ethier, Lugo, Lofton) and their rotation is as good if not better than any pitching in the West, ditto for their pen.

Just ignore the other stuff I posted though, it's no big deal. :shakeno:

Would you trust him with your team in a big game?

djfresh47
08-27-2006, 11:45 PM
Managers need to get the mental part of the game down for the players (especially young ones) Pinch hit in the right spot, go to the bullpen in the right spot, keep the players head up

IMO managers do a lot more than people seem to give them credit for, If a manager gets his players to play 110% he is a great manager IMO and he will win more games


If fans look at the moves most managers make and actually know things about baseball it's really common sense.

djfresh47
08-27-2006, 11:50 PM
MLB managers are glorified babysitters. They make sure their millionare players are happy. Make sure their egos are in check and they aren't feeling disrespected.

That is 90% of their job. The other 10% is, do we call a bunt in the 7th inning to advance a runner. And do we pull a double switch here. And those "rules of game" are all but written in stone and managers can live and die by the numbers there and not get in too much hot water.

Exactly, that's why alot of managers are recycled. Art Howe was doing alright in Oakland than can't manage his way out of box with the Mets. If we're really going to give credit to guys it should be the pitching coach and the hitting instructor.

RWhitney014
08-28-2006, 12:19 AM
I don't hate the Marlins. My god you guys are so friggin sensative!! But when a team draws NO fans (even when they win) and the team just has fire sales every other year, I will call them a JOKE. Because they are just that. It has nothing with hating a team or franchsie. It's just calling it like I see it!!

And I can't consider Girardi for anything until that team is over .500. And the fact he plays in the WORST division in baseball hurts too. That division being so bad will prevent Willy Randolph from getting the award. It will prevent Girardi from even being considered.

I think you're the sensitive one. I don't care that you're not a Marlins fan, but any time the issue is brought up, you lash out.

And you're missing the point of the team's success. It doesn't matter how bad the division or league is. This is a team that has played 20 rookies, most of them in the daily lineup, the rotation, or key bullpen roles. They have a miniscule payroll. They have no fan support. Dump on Loria all you want, dump on the attendance all you want, because all of that is warranted. But in talking about the GM, the scouting staff, the coaches, and the players, they are doing something absolutely remarkable.

Think about it. Beinfest, Hill, and the rest of them were dealing this winter from the exact opposite of a position of power. Everyone knew every player except for maybe Willis and Cabrera was available and that they only needed to trade minor leaguers, yet they amassed a starting 1B, SS, and two of our current SP. The scouts were good enough to recognize a guy like Dan Uggla as MLB talent. They had the foresight to see that with proper coaching from proper coaches, a guy like Miguel Olivo or Joe Borowski could be successful. They realized inexpensive, battle-tested veterans like Matt Herges and Wes Helms could be very helpful. And most of all, they absolutely committed themselves to building up from the bottom again. They didn't pull a Baltimore rebuilding job. You absolutely have to give credit to the players who had every right to accept the fact that they were going to finish in last place, miles away from being relevant, historically bad, and are now just three games out of the Wild Card lead heading into September, regardless of how good or bad the competition is.

It's worthless to play the "if" game, because last year, the sucky, underachieving Marlins win the division at 83-79 if they're in the NL West. So do the Mets. So do the Phillies. The Indians, Athletics, and Twins all make the playoffs if they're in the West last season, but no one discredited the Padres for it. It's not their fault they took advantage of their situation. And the very next year, into September, all 5 teams are still around, with 4 of them really legitimate contenders.

Fact is, Kansas City chose to sign Reggie Sanders, Doug Mientkiewicz, Mark Grudzielanek, and Scott Elarton while trading for Mark Redman. The Marlins found real talent that actually had a future, and while they were the most anonymous team in a long while, they have 63 wins. Vegas had them at 65. The Royals have already been mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.

ShuggieOtis
08-28-2006, 01:34 PM
dusty baker! jk

giardi all the way!

for AL i would say torre (but maybe that is because i am biased)