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BuffaloSoldier2
08-28-2006, 09:38 PM
Well, the season is about to start and a lot of questions will be answered. A lot of you are under the impression that since a magazine or that tub of lard Peter King state the Fins will be good, that it will ultimately happen. Well newsflash, no one wins championships in the offseason.

As a final gift to some of the biggest bandwagon fans I know, here's some truths on your prized offseason move, Danute "Love Boat" Culpepper. You are all jumping for joy that you have a real QB. Well, here's some stats that may intrigue and amaze you. Please enjoy:

While Culpepper is about a million times more talented than Gus Frerotte, Frerotte takes care of the ball much better than C-pep. For example:

Danute Culpepper (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133263 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133263)) - 81 games, 86 ints, 81 fumbles, 36 fumbles lost
Since I know Florida is in the bottom third of school systems in the country, I will do the math for "y'all" :goof: :
86 + 36= 122 / 81 = 1.5 turnovers/ game

Compare to Frerotte (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1070 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1070)) - 127 games, 79 ints, 58 fumbles, 17 fumbles lost
79 + 17 = 96/ 127= 0.76 turnovers/ game compared
Culpepper turnovers the ball over nearly twice more than Frerotte. I'm not sure but I don't think that's good. :shakeno:

Additionally, Culpepper has taken 228 sacks in 81 games for an average of 2.8 sacks/ game. Frerotte has taken 167 sacks in 127 games for an average of 1.3 sacks/ game. A smart QB can make a offensive line look a lot better than they are. Also by adding our worse lineman one of our worst lines ever (Bennie Anderson) and a LT who has played for 3 teams in 3 years and wasn't wanted by Arizona and Cleveland (LJ Shelton), do you think your line will be as good? And you don't have Randy Moss to say you by catching a hail mary by C-pep. Again, time will tell but these are some very impressive stats if I do say so myself. God, I'm good. Enjoy the season and don't get to heartbroken. I broke it to you earlier. http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2006/08/annhe-1.gif

P.S. Jay Fiedler's career turnover ratio: (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12363 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12363)) - 76 games, 66 ints, 29 fumbles, 16 fumbles lost

66 + 16 = 82/ 76 = 1.1 turnovers/ game

Alex44
08-28-2006, 09:50 PM
LP Losman stat of doom

He cries on the sideline 1.5 times a game

retired opfinistic
08-28-2006, 10:07 PM
pepper career rating: 91.5
pepper career comp %: 64.4
losman career rating: 63.5
losman career cmp %: 49.8

who's laughing now?:lol:

like2god
08-28-2006, 10:16 PM
pepper career rating: 91.5
pepper career comp %: 64.4
losman career rating: 63.5
losman career cmp %: 49.8

who's laughing now?:lol:

:sidelol:

I am!!!!

:sidelol: :sidelol: :sidelol:

Colorado Dolfan
08-28-2006, 10:56 PM
Danute Culpepper (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133263 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133263)) - 81 games, 86 ints, 81 fumbles, 36 fumbles lost
Since I know Florida is in the bottom third of school systems in the country, I will do the math for "y'all" :goof: :
86 + 36= 122 / 81 = 1.5 turnovers/ game

Compare to Frerotte (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1070 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1070)) - 127 games, 79 ints, 58 fumbles, 17 fumbles lost
79 + 17 = 96/ 127= 0.76 turnovers/ game compared
Culpepper turnovers the ball over nearly twice more than Frerotte. I'm not sure but I don't think that's good. :shakeno:
Good try, tool. Really did your research... But you forget to mention that in many of Frerotte's "games" he didn't play the whole thing due to injury or just being the backup...:shakeno:

How about this?

In 2607 passes, Culpepper has 86 Ints and 36 fumbles lost. 4.7% Turnover Ratio.

In 2635 passes, Frerotte has 79 Ints and 17 fumbles lost. 3.6% Turnover Ratio.

So in 100 passes, Frerotte may have 1 less TO than C-Pep.

BUT: Culpepper has 2476 yard rushing (29 TDs) and 64.4% completion vs. 305 yards rushing (5 TDs) and 54.1%.

...and despite passing 28 times less than Frerotte, he has 252 more completions for 2069 more yards... Ouch... That hurts... :shakeno:


Additionally, Culpepper has taken 228 sacks in 81 games for an average of 2.8 sacks/ game. Frerotte has taken 167 sacks in 127 games for an average of 1.3 sacks/ game.
Let's not forget C-Pep is a rushing QB

228 sacks/3061 (Pass and Run) attempts: 7.4%

167 Sacks/2807 attempts: 5.9%

Again a HUGE difference: :shakeno: 1.5 Sacks per 100 Attempts...


P.S. Jay Fiedler's career turnover ratio: (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12363 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12363)) - 76 games, 66 ints, 29 fumbles, 16 fumbles lost

66 + 16 = 82/ 76 = 1.1 turnovers/ game
Jay Fiedler: 82 Turnovers in 1717 passes: 4.8%


Let's put it all together, shall we?

C-Pep:
3061 Attempts (Pass and Run) with 122 TO's =3.9% TO Ratio
3061 Attempts with 164 TDs= 5.3% TD ratio
C-Pep is 1.4 times more likely to score a TD than make a TO.

Frerotte:
2807 Attempts with 96 TO's= 3.4% TO Ratio
2807 Attempts with 100 TDs= 3.5% TD Ratio.
Frerotte is about as likely to score as make a TO.

Fiedler:
1986 Attempts with 82 TO's= 4.2% TO Ratio
1986 Attemps with 70 TDs= 3.5% TD Ratio.
Fiedler is 1.2 times more likely to make a TO than score a TD.

In closing: Eat that!

Tool.

Link
08-28-2006, 11:53 PM
Good try, tool. Really did your research... But you forget to mention that in many of Frerotte's "games" he didn't play the whole thing due to injury or just being the backup...:shakeno:

How about this?

In 2607 passes, Culpepper has 86 Ints and 36 fumbles lost. 4.7% Turnover Ratio.

In 2635 passes, Frerotte has 79 Ints and 17 fumbles lost. 3.6% Turnover Ratio.

So in 100 passes, Frerotte may have 1 less TO than C-Pep.

BUT: Culpepper has 2476 yard rushing (29 TDs) and 64.4% completion vs. 305 yards rushing (5 TDs) and 54.1%.

...and despite passing 28 times less than Frerotte, he has 252 more completions for 2069 more yards... Ouch... That hurts... :shakeno:


Let's not forget C-Pep is a rushing QB

228 sacks/3061 (Pass and Run) attempts: 7.4%

167 Sacks/2807 attempts: 5.9%

Again a HUGE difference: :shakeno: 1.5 Sacks per 100 Attempts...


Jay Fiedler: 82 Turnovers in 1717 passes: 4.8%


Let's put it all together, shall we?

C-Pep:
3061 Attempts (Pass and Run) with 122 TO's =3.9% TO Ratio
3061 Attempts with 164 TDs= 5.3% TD ratio
C-Pep is 1.4 times more likely to score a TD than make a TO.

Frerotte:
2807 Attempts with 96 TO's= 3.4% TO Ratio
2807 Attempts with 100 TDs= 3.5% TD Ratio.
Frerotte is about as likely to score as make a TO.

Fiedler:
1986 Attempts with 82 TO's= 4.2% TO Ratio
1986 Attemps with 70 TDs= 3.5% TD Ratio.
Fiedler is 1.2 times more likely to make a TO than score a TD.

In closing: Eat that!

Tool.

Beat me to it. :D

Mike13
08-28-2006, 11:56 PM
Good try, tool. Really did your research... But you forget to mention that in many of Frerotte's "games" he didn't play the whole thing due to injury or just being the backup...:shakeno:

How about this?

In 2607 passes, Culpepper has 86 Ints and 36 fumbles lost. 4.7% Turnover Ratio.

In 2635 passes, Frerotte has 79 Ints and 17 fumbles lost. 3.6% Turnover Ratio.

So in 100 passes, Frerotte may have 1 less TO than C-Pep.

BUT: Culpepper has 2476 yard rushing (29 TDs) and 64.4% completion vs. 305 yards rushing (5 TDs) and 54.1%.

...and despite passing 28 times less than Frerotte, he has 252 more completions for 2069 more yards... Ouch... That hurts... :shakeno:


Let's not forget C-Pep is a rushing QB

228 sacks/3061 (Pass and Run) attempts: 7.4%

167 Sacks/2807 attempts: 5.9%

Again a HUGE difference: :shakeno: 1.5 Sacks per 100 Attempts...


Jay Fiedler: 82 Turnovers in 1717 passes: 4.8%


Let's put it all together, shall we?

C-Pep:
3061 Attempts (Pass and Run) with 122 TO's =3.9% TO Ratio
3061 Attempts with 164 TDs= 5.3% TD ratio
C-Pep is 1.4 times more likely to score a TD than make a TO.

Frerotte:
2807 Attempts with 96 TO's= 3.4% TO Ratio
2807 Attempts with 100 TDs= 3.5% TD Ratio.
Frerotte is about as likely to score as make a TO.

Fiedler:
1986 Attempts with 82 TO's= 4.2% TO Ratio
1986 Attemps with 70 TDs= 3.5% TD Ratio.
Fiedler is 1.2 times more likely to make a TO than score a TD.

In closing: Eat that!

Tool.

:0wned: :0wned: :0wned:

Ronnie 23
08-29-2006, 07:46 AM
those gayfers

TotoreMexico
08-29-2006, 08:09 AM
:sidelol:

I am!!!!

:sidelol: :sidelol: :sidelol:

Me too!:roflmao:

Breed
08-29-2006, 09:43 AM
Danute Culpepper (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133263 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133263)) - 81 games, 86 ints, 81 fumbles, 36 fumbles lost
Since I know Florida is in the bottom third of school systems in the country, I will do the math for "y'all" :goof: :
86 + 36= 122 / 81 = 1.5 turnovers/ game

Compare to Frerotte (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1070 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1070)) - 127 games, 79 ints, 58 fumbles, 17 fumbles lost
79 + 17 = 96/ 127= 0.76 turnovers/ game compared


Of course Frerotte's turnover rate is going to be much lower on a per game basis, most of those games he only took a few snaps. If we're going by games played (instead of games started), Frerotte had a combined 2,807 touches (passing attempts+rushing attempts) in 127 games played; that's an average of 22.10 touches per game. Culpepper had 3,061 touches in 81 games played; an average of 37.79 touches per game.


Culpepper turnovers the ball over nearly twice more than Frerotte. I'm not sure but I don't think that's good. :shakeno:

Frerotte has turned the ball over 96 times and has a combined 2,807 attempts. Frerotte has averaged a turnover once every 29.24 attempts. Culpepper has turned the ball over once every 25.09 attempts. That's not exactly 'twice more'; not even in the neighborhood.


Additionally, Culpepper has taken 228 sacks in 81 games for an average of 2.8 sacks/ game. Frerotte has taken 167 sacks in 127 games for an average of 1.3 sacks/ game. A smart QB can make a offensive line look a lot better than they are.

Nice job at skewing the numbers. Frerotte has 2,635 passing attempts and has been sacked 167 times; Culpepper has 2,607 passing attempts and has been sacked 228 times. So implying that Culpepper gets sacked more than twice as often is way off base. Also, scrambling QBs usually get sacked more.....so Culpepper having gotten sacked more times than Frerotte isn't suprising.


P.S. Jay Fiedler's career turnover ratio: (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12363 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12363)) - 76 games, 66 ints, 29 fumbles, 16 fumbles lost

66 + 16 = 82/ 76 = 1.1 turnovers/ game.

Nice try......

Fiedler has turned the ball over 82 times on 1,936 touches. Fiedler actually has a worse turnover rate than Culpepper.

Fiedler: 1 turnover every 23.61 touches
Culpepper: 1 turnover every 25.09 touches

retired opfinistic
08-29-2006, 10:24 AM
end.of.thread.:D

Blurch
08-29-2006, 04:25 PM
Well, the season is about to start and a lot of questions will be answered. A lot of you are under the impression that since a magazine or that tub of lard Peter King state the Fins will be good, that it will ultimately happen. Well newsflash, no one wins championships in the offseason.

As a final gift to some of the biggest bandwagon fans I know, here's some truths on your prized offseason move, Danute "Love Boat" Culpepper. You are all jumping for joy that you have a real QB. Well, here's some stats that may intrigue and amaze you. Please enjoy:

While Culpepper is about a million times more talented than Gus Frerotte, Frerotte takes care of the ball much better than C-pep. For example:

Danute Culpepper (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133263 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133263)) - 81 games, 86 ints, 81 fumbles, 36 fumbles lost
Since I know Florida is in the bottom third of school systems in the country, I will do the math for "y'all" :goof: :
86 + 36= 122 / 81 = 1.5 turnovers/ game

Compare to Frerotte (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1070 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1070)) - 127 games, 79 ints, 58 fumbles, 17 fumbles lost
79 + 17 = 96/ 127= 0.76 turnovers/ game compared
Culpepper turnovers the ball over nearly twice more than Frerotte. I'm not sure but I don't think that's good. :shakeno:

Additionally, Culpepper has taken 228 sacks in 81 games for an average of 2.8 sacks/ game. Frerotte has taken 167 sacks in 127 games for an average of 1.3 sacks/ game. A smart QB can make a offensive line look a lot better than they are. Also by adding our worse lineman one of our worst lines ever (Bennie Anderson) and a LT who has played for 3 teams in 3 years and wasn't wanted by Arizona and Cleveland (LJ Shelton), do you think your line will be as good? And you don't have Randy Moss to say you by catching a hail mary by C-pep. Again, time will tell but these are some very impressive stats if I do say so myself. God, I'm good. Enjoy the season and don't get to heartbroken. I broke it to you earlier. http://www.buffalorange.com/images/smilies/annhe.gif

P.S. Jay Fiedler's career turnover ratio: (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12363 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12363)) - 76 games, 66 ints, 29 fumbles, 16 fumbles lost

66 + 16 = 82/ 76 = 1.1 turnovers/ game



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I couldn't have said it better myself. I've been trying to tell these Phins fans to look past that stupid passer rating and see the whole picture with Culpepper. I watched this guy for 7 seasons in Minnesota and I'm sooooooooooooo glad to see him wearing anything but purple this year.

You mentioned Moss pulling his *** out of the fire, but you didn't mention a couple of other things that don't show up in the stat book. Most of his "stats" are between the 20's. He's terrible in the red zone with the game on the line. He also has a losing record as a starter.

One more meaningless game and then it's time for the famous Daunte implosion to begin. Enjoy phins fans..

EBMisfit
08-29-2006, 06:02 PM
Well newsflash, no one wins championships in the offseason.And Fluffalo doesn't win them at all.

Again, time will tell but these are some very impressive stats if I do say so myself.No, they're just another bit of distortion that idiots like you have to turn to try and make your case. Funny how much the different the stats look when someone does them on a per attempt or per touch basis rather than per game.

like2god
08-29-2006, 06:12 PM
Hey BuffaloSoldier (or BS for short), when JP Loserman actually does something in the NFL let us know so we can restart this conversation.

Colorado Dolfan
08-29-2006, 06:20 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I couldn't have said it better myself. I've been trying to tell these Phins fans to look past that stupid passer rating and see the whole picture with Culpepper. I watched this guy for 7 seasons in Minnesota and I'm sooooooooooooo glad to see him wearing anything but purple this year.

You mentioned Moss pulling his *** out of the fire, but you didn't mention a couple of other things that don't show up in the stat book. Most of his "stats" are between the 20's. He's terrible in the red zone with the game on the line. He also has a losing record as a starter.

One more meaningless game and then it's time for the famous Daunte implosion to begin. Enjoy phins fans..

Awesome how you read the first post and totally disregard the two posts that totally blow his "research" out of the water. :rolleyes2

Enjoy your losing season... :lol:

Tool.

Breed
08-29-2006, 06:23 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I couldn't have said it better myself...

Which explains why you're laughed at on this board...........


I've been trying to tell these Phins fans to look past that stupid passer rating and see the whole picture with Culpepper.

Do you even understand what goes into QB rating? Don't knock something you can't comprehend.


You mentioned Moss pulling his *** out of the fire, but you didn't mention a couple of other things that don't show up in the stat book. Most of his "stats" are between the 20's. He's terrible in the red zone with the game on the line. He also has a losing record as a starter.

It's hard to put blame on any QB when he has to throw 40 times a game and put up with a defense that gives up 20-30 points a game on a consistant basis.

EBMisfit
08-29-2006, 06:29 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Because starting your post out with a bunch of smilies obviously improves one's argument.:rolleyes:

I watched this guy for 7 seasons in Minnesota and I'm sooooooooooooo glad to see him wearing anything but purple this year.If you much rather would watch the Vikes lose, more power to you.

You mentioned Moss pulling his *** out of the fireHow was it "Moss pulling his *** out of the fire" in 2004 when Moss missed 3 games entirely and parts of others with injuries, not to mention receiving only a little over 16% of Culpepper's passing yards?

Most of his "stats" are between the 20's.TDs (39 of them, in fact) occur past the 20 yard line.

He also has a losing record as a starter.Again, you forget that football is a team sport. While QBs may be the most important position on the field, they are still but one position and no QB, regardless of how talented he is, can win the game by himself.

EBMisfit
08-29-2006, 06:32 PM
LP Losman stat of doom

He cries on the sideline 1.5 times a gameAnd another 10-20 times on the field after making a stupid play.

EBMisfit
08-29-2006, 06:35 PM
Hey BuffaloSoldier (or BS for short), when JP Loserman actually does something in the NFL let us know so we can restart this conversation.Loserman has done something in the NFL... shown that he isn't ready to play there.

like2god
08-29-2006, 06:39 PM
Loserman has done something in the NFL... shown that he isn't ready to play there.

True, but other than being the next Browning Nagle what else has he done?

Who is Browning Nagle you ask? Exactly. :wink:

icephinfan
08-29-2006, 06:40 PM
Who are the Bills 3 QB's????

like2god
08-29-2006, 06:45 PM
Who are the Bills 3 QB's????

Tweedle dee

Tweedle dumb

Tweedle dumber

:wink: :lol:

Majpain
08-29-2006, 06:50 PM
Another Jill fan runs away after being owned.

EBMisfit
08-29-2006, 07:02 PM
True, but other than being the next Browning Nagle what else has he done?I never said that he's shown anything positive, just that he's shown something.


Who is Browning Nagle you ask?Today Nagle is an avid golfer. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browning_Nagle) Ha! Bet you thought I didn't know, did you?

icephinfan
08-29-2006, 07:02 PM
Tweedle dee

Tweedle dumb

Tweedle dumber

:wink: :lol:



:lol: :lol: :lol: :evil:

Shula Come Back!
08-29-2006, 07:03 PM
Who are the Bills 3 QB's????

If it was me, you, and like2god, they'd be better off!!!!!!

like2god
08-29-2006, 07:05 PM
I never said that he's shown anything positive, just that he's shown something.

Today Nagle is an avid golfer. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browning_Nagle) Ha! Bet you thought I didn't know, did you?
Touche EBM :lol:


I see he finally found a talent. :golf:


Maybe JP should find one as well. Maybe this is more his style. :cheer2:


:tongue:

EBMisfit
08-29-2006, 07:05 PM
Tweedle dee

Tweedle dumb

Tweedle dumber

:wink: :lol:
As opposed to their coaching/front office trio of Tweedle Senile, Tweedle Even More Senile, and Tweedle Senilest.

OK, so "senilest" might not be a word. Unlike "stupider" (yeah, I had to get that last point in).

like2god
08-29-2006, 07:06 PM
If it was me, you, and like2god, they'd be better off!!!!!!

No, I would hold out and demand to be traded to a winning organization. :lol:

like2god
08-29-2006, 07:07 PM
As opposed to their coaching/front office trio of Tweedle Senile, Tweedle Even More Senile, and Tweedle Senilest.

OK, so "senilest" might not be a word. Unlike "stupider" (yeah, I had to get that last point in).

:D

Shula Come Back!
08-29-2006, 07:12 PM
No, I would hold out and demand to be traded to a winning organization. :lol:

:lol::lol::lol: I'd rather play for the Lions.....And I'm dead serious!!!

icephinfan
08-29-2006, 07:16 PM
If it was me, you, and like2god, they'd be better off!!!!!!


HA, I would just take a pay cut and be traded to the Dolphins!!!!:tongue:

EBMisfit
08-29-2006, 07:18 PM
Touche EBM :lol:


I see he finally found a talent. :golf:


Maybe JP should find one as well. Maybe this is more his style. :cheer2:I don't know... I've always thought maybe he'd work out in computer repair or something....





:badpc:




Then again, maybe not.

EBMisfit
08-29-2006, 07:20 PM
No, I would hold out and demand to be traded to a winning organization. :lol:What? You mean Fluffalo isn't a winning organization? Why, just look at how empty their trophy case is just waiting to be filled up with Lombardis....

EBMisfit
08-29-2006, 07:21 PM
HA, I would just take a pay cut and be traded to the Dolphins!!!!:tongue:From now on, that should be known as "doing a Mularkey".:D

like2god
08-29-2006, 07:22 PM
I don't know... I've always thought maybe he'd work out in computer repair or something....





:badpc:





Then again, maybe not.




:lol:

What about a boxer? :emjai:

I see a lot of Bills games and the boy sure takes a lot of hits. :wink:


.

Shula Come Back!
08-29-2006, 07:23 PM
HA, I would just take a pay cut and be traded to the Dolphins!!!!:tongue:

i'd play for the dolphins on an hourly wage:lol:

Mike13
08-29-2006, 07:23 PM
No, I would hold out and demand to be traded to a winning organization. :lol:

Before you do, don't forget to pinch a loaf on their midfield logo.

icephinfan
08-29-2006, 07:23 PM
i'd play for the dolphins on an hourly wage:lol:


F**K YEAH, were not money hungry!!!!!:lol:

icephinfan
08-29-2006, 07:25 PM
From now on, that should be known as "doing a Mularkey".:D


SHHHHHHHHHHH, don't tell Ralph Wilson, is he still alive????

Shula Come Back!
08-29-2006, 07:28 PM
F**K YEAH, were not money hungry!!!!!:lol:


I'll even punch out at halftime, like I'm taking a lunch break!!!:lol:

icephinfan
08-29-2006, 07:29 PM
I'll even punch out at halftime, like I'm taking a lunch break!!!:lol:

Hell, I won't even take a lunch!!!!!:lol:

Shula Come Back!
08-29-2006, 07:32 PM
Hell, I won't even take a lunch!!!!!:lol:

I'll eat my avatar for lunch!!!!!!!!

icephinfan
08-29-2006, 07:33 PM
I'll eat my avatar for lunch!!!!!!!!

I'll take the girl wearing #34!!!!:wink:

Mike13
08-29-2006, 07:34 PM
Who the hell is "Danute" anyway?

like2god
08-29-2006, 07:34 PM
I'll eat my avatar for lunch!!!!!!!!

me too

They're hot. :D

like2god
08-29-2006, 07:34 PM
Who the hell is "Danute" anyway?

Damned if I know. :lol:

EBMisfit
08-29-2006, 07:42 PM
I see a lot of Bills games and the boy sure takes a lot of hits.So did Ricky, but all that got him was suspended.

EBMisfit
08-29-2006, 07:43 PM
me too

They're hot. :DI'm pleading the fifth, but that's because I'm married.

Ronnie 23
08-29-2006, 07:43 PM
those gayfers this is my 801th post

icephinfan
08-29-2006, 07:44 PM
I'm pleading the fifth, but that's because I'm married.

What she doesn't know, won't get you KILLED!!!!!:lol: :evil:

Shula Come Back!
08-29-2006, 07:45 PM
I'll take the girl wearing #34!!!!:wink::lol:agreed!!!

EBMisfit
08-29-2006, 07:46 PM
Damned if I know. :lol::rolleyes:That's what Google is for....

BuffaloSoldier2
08-29-2006, 08:36 PM
Good try, tool. Really did your research... But you forget to mention that in many of Frerotte's "games" he didn't play the whole thing due to injury or just being the backup...:shakeno:

How about this?

In 2607 passes, Culpepper has 86 Ints and 36 fumbles lost. 4.7% Turnover Ratio.

In 2635 passes, Frerotte has 79 Ints and 17 fumbles lost. 3.6% Turnover Ratio.

So in 100 passes, Frerotte may have 1 less TO than C-Pep.

BUT: Culpepper has 2476 yard rushing (29 TDs) and 64.4% completion vs. 305 yards rushing (5 TDs) and 54.1%.

...and despite passing 28 times less than Frerotte, he has 252 more completions for 2069 more yards... Ouch... That hurts... :shakeno:


Let's not forget C-Pep is a rushing QB

228 sacks/3061 (Pass and Run) attempts: 7.4%

167 Sacks/2807 attempts: 5.9%

Again a HUGE difference: :shakeno: 1.5 Sacks per 100 Attempts...


Jay Fiedler: 82 Turnovers in 1717 passes: 4.8%


Let's put it all together, shall we?

C-Pep:
3061 Attempts (Pass and Run) with 122 TO's =3.9% TO Ratio
3061 Attempts with 164 TDs= 5.3% TD ratio
C-Pep is 1.4 times more likely to score a TD than make a TO.

Frerotte:
2807 Attempts with 96 TO's= 3.4% TO Ratio
2807 Attempts with 100 TDs= 3.5% TD Ratio.
Frerotte is about as likely to score as make a TO.

Fiedler:
1986 Attempts with 82 TO's= 4.2% TO Ratio
1986 Attemps with 70 TDs= 3.5% TD Ratio.
Fiedler is 1.2 times more likely to make a TO than score a TD.

In closing: Eat that!

Tool.

Hey no need to get hostile. I was simply pointing out the fact that Culpepper isn't as big of an improvement over the QBs you had. I could pick apart your response by breaking down the number of truly elite QBs and you would see how much Culpepper pales in comparison. But showing that Frerotte and Fiedler are close to Culpepper is enough for right now. :wink:

Moving on, let's examine this Moss factor. He is one of the most dominant wr to ever playin the game. You can't question that. Culpepper has thrown 135 tds in his career. Taking out his amazing 2005 season without Moss and his electrifying 6 tds :sidelol:, that's 129 (for you Florida folks :wink: ). During Culpepper's time as a starter in Minny beginning in 2000, Moss has caught 62 tds. So, 62/ 129 is 48%. So Randy Moss has caught nearly half of Culpepper's tds.

As an additional point of reference, let's look at the two other QBs that played with Moss. Jeff George threw 23 tds to 12 ints in 14 games. In 1999, a 35 year old Randall Cunningham threw 34 tds to 10ints and was the NFL's MVP.

So in conclusion, Randy Moss can make any qb look good (with the except of Kerry Collins who is a turnover machine). Culpepper has ridden Moss' jock to get where he is in the NFL. And as good as Chambers is, he ain't Randy Moss. I apologize in advance for destroying the Miami Hype Machine. :fire: But facts are facts.

Eat that.

Tool. :wink:

Colorado Dolfan
08-29-2006, 08:54 PM
I could pick apart your response by breaking down the number of truly elite QBs and you would see how much Culpepper pales in comparison.
How about I do a couple for you?

Tom Brady
2738 Touches with 88 TOs = 3.2% TO Ratio
2738 Touches with 126 TDs = 4.6% TD Ratio
Brady is 1.4 Times more likely to score a TD than make a TO.

Does that look familar? It should... It's about where Daunte is. And strangely, Tommy Boy is just about the definition of "Elite" in the NFL nowadays...:shakeno:

Peyton Manning
3015 Touches with 145 TOs = 4.8% TO Ratio
3015 Touches with 253 TDs = 8.3% TD Ratio
Manning is 1.7 times more likely to score a TD than make a TO.

Huge difference...:shakeno:

Enjoy.

Ronnie 23
08-29-2006, 08:57 PM
those gayfers

BuffaloSoldier2
08-29-2006, 09:02 PM
How about I do a couple for you?

Tom Brady
2738 Touches with 88 TOs = 3.2% TO Ratio
2738 Touches with 126 TDs = 4.6% TD Ratio
Brady is 1.4 Times more likely to score a TD than make a TO.

Does that look familar? It should... It's about where Daunte is. And strangely, Tommy Boy is just about the definition of "Elite" in the NFL nowadays...:shakeno:

Peyton Manning
3015 Touches with 145 TOs = 4.8% TO Ratio
3015 Touches with 253 TDs = 8.3% TD Ratio
Manning is 1.7 times more likely to score a TD than make a TO.

Huge difference...:shakeno:

Enjoy.

What exactly did you prove? That Manning is better than Culpepper? Or that Brady is just as good as Culpepper playing with Givens, Branch, and Brown? I'm sure every QB would rather play with this core than Randy Moss. :lol:

BuffaloSoldier2
08-29-2006, 09:05 PM
those gayfers

You are my favorite poster. Your football expertise is second only to Warren in Something about Mary. :wink:

Silverphin
08-29-2006, 09:20 PM
Hey no need to get hostile. I was simply pointing out the fact that Culpepper isn't as big of an improvement over the QBs you had. I could pick apart your response by breaking down the number of truly elite QBs and you would see how much Culpepper pales in comparison. But showing that Frerotte and Fiedler are close to Culpepper is enough for right now. :wink:

Moving on, let's examine this Moss factor. He is one of the most dominant wr to ever playin the game. You can't question that. Culpepper has thrown 135 tds in his career. Taking out his amazing 2005 season without Moss and his electrifying 6 tds :sidelol:, that's 129 (for you Florida folks :wink: ). During Culpepper's time as a starter in Minny beginning in 2000, Moss has caught 62 tds. So, 62/ 129 is 48%. So Randy Moss has caught nearly half of Culpepper's tds.

As an additional point of reference, let's look at the two other QBs that played with Moss. Jeff George threw 23 tds to 12 ints in 14 games. In 1999, a 35 year old Randall Cunningham threw 34 tds to 10ints and was the NFL's MVP.

So in conclusion, Randy Moss can make any qb look good (with the except of Kerry Collins who is a turnover machine). Culpepper has ridden Moss' jock to get where he is in the NFL. And as good as Chambers is, he ain't Randy Moss. I apologize in advance for destroying the Miami Hype Machine. :fire: But facts are facts.

Eat that.

Tool. :wink:

Okay, since we want to talk about facts....

Fact: Daunte Culpepper had his best season in 2004, with 4717 yards, 39 TD's, 11 Ints, all on 379 passes.

Fact: Moss only caught 49 of those passes for on 767 yards and 13 touchdowns.

Fact: When factoring out Moss's stats, that leaves Culpepper with 3950 yards, 26 touchdowns on 330 passes.

What you got to counter that?

Mike13
08-29-2006, 09:25 PM
Don't worry he is working on skewing some facts.

EBMisfit
08-29-2006, 09:36 PM
What exactly did you prove? That Manning is better than Culpepper? Or that Brady is just as good as Culpepper playing with Givens, Branch, and Brown? I'm sure every QB would rather play with this core than Randy Moss. :lol:Sure, Moss is heads above anyone on either Indy or NE, but he's only one player. The rest of the receivers for the Vikes have done so little that I'd take either Indy's or NE's over theirs (even with Moss) any day. Furthermore, it has to help both Manning and Brady that their teams have had better runners than Culpepper with the Vikes.

EBMisfit
08-29-2006, 09:41 PM
So in conclusion, Randy Moss can make any qb look good (with the except of Kerry Collins who is a turnover machine). Culpepper has ridden Moss' jock to get where he is in the NFL.Except that Culpepper still looked pretty good in 2004 even when not throwing to Moss.

I apologize in advance for destroying the Miami Hype Machine.Don't worry, the only thing you're destroying is your own credibility.

Colorado Dolfan
08-29-2006, 10:49 PM
He's terrible in the red zone
In the red zone, he completed 54 of 88 for 352 yards, 26 TDs and 2 INTs, for a rating of 158.2 (the maximum).:rolleyes2


What exactly did you prove?
I proved that your stupid @ss "facts" are a load of sh!t. :lol:


That Manning is better than Culpepper? Or that Brady is just as good as Culpepper playing with Givens, Branch, and Brown? I'm sure every QB would rather play with this core than Randy Moss. :lol:
Gee, imagine my surprise... It turns out Givens had more yards and more receptions than Moss in 2004. I guess Givens must have made Brady the QB he is, huh?:shakeno:

For the record, Daunte's passes to Moss in 2004 dropped his completion percentage from 71.3% to his "measly" 69.2% for the season. Cool how the guy that "made" you causes your completion % to drop... :shakeno:

Nice trolling, but your "facts" are nothing more than a thinly disguised ploy to start sh!t. Here's a little tidbit for you to chew on, too...

JP Losman
266 Touches with 13 TO's =4.8% TO Ratio.
266 Touches with 8 TDs = 3% TD Ratio.
JP Losman is 1.6 Times more likely to make a TO than score a TD.

Your boy, JP, couldn't even hold Fiedlers jock. Enjoy the losing season again... :sidelol:

EBMisfit
08-29-2006, 11:10 PM
In the red zone, he completed 54 of 88 for 352 yards, 26 TDs and 2 INTs, for a rating of 158.2 (the maximum).:rolleyes2


I proved that your stupid @ss "facts" are a load of sh!t. :lol:


Gee, imagine my surprise... It turns out Givens had more yards and more receptions than Moss in 2004. I guess Givens must have made Brady the QB he is, huh?:shakeno:

For the record, Daunte's passes to Moss in 2004 dropped his completion percentage from 71.3% to his "measly" 69.2% for the season. Cool how the guy that "made" you causes your completion % to drop... :shakeno:

Nice trolling, but your "facts" are nothing more than a thinly disguised ploy to start sh!t. Here's a little tidbit for you to chew on, too...

JP Losman
266 Touches with 13 TO's =4.8% TO Ratio.
266 Touches with 8 TDs = 3% TD Ratio.
JP Losman is 1.6 Times more likely to make a TO than score a TD.

Your boy, JP, couldn't even hold Fiedlers jock. Enjoy the losing season again... :sidelol:But... but... but... Loserman had that one good quarter.

BuffaloSoldier2
08-29-2006, 11:55 PM
In the red zone, he completed 54 of 88 for 352 yards, 26 TDs and 2 INTs, for a rating of 158.2 (the maximum).:rolleyes2


I proved that your stupid @ss "facts" are a load of sh!t. :lol:


Gee, imagine my surprise... It turns out Givens had more yards and more receptions than Moss in 2004. I guess Givens must have made Brady the QB he is, huh?:shakeno:

For the record, Daunte's passes to Moss in 2004 dropped his completion percentage from 71.3% to his "measly" 69.2% for the season. Cool how the guy that "made" you causes your completion % to drop... :shakeno:

Nice trolling, but your "facts" are nothing more than a thinly disguised ploy to start sh!t. Here's a little tidbit for you to chew on, too...

JP Losman
266 Touches with 13 TO's =4.8% TO Ratio.
266 Touches with 8 TDs = 3% TD Ratio.
JP Losman is 1.6 Times more likely to make a TO than score a TD.

Your boy, JP, couldn't even hold Fiedlers jock. Enjoy the losing season again... :sidelol:

Your red zone statistic proves squat. What that he can throw it high to Randy Moss? Amazing. :rolleyes: And 158.3 is the max for the record.

And your point about Givens making Brady is absolutely ******ed. :sidelol: You were actually making some decent arguements until this came out of your mouth. Do you know anything about football? Moss, on two broken legs, would command a double team. No one doubles Givens and the Titans are idiots for dumping that much $ on him. If Culpepper isn't throwing jump balls to Moss, Moss was taking two players away and causing someone to be wide open. When good teams played against Culpepper, he got shut down.

Bottomline, C-pep threw 6 tds to 12 ints in his only season without Moss and led the Vikings to a 2-5 record. 37 year-old Brad Johnson threw 12 tds to 4 ints and led the Vikings to a 7-2 record. Explain that. :shakeno:

P. S. Buffalo is 1-0 against C-Pep (and Moss only had 11 catches). :cooldude:

Mike13
08-30-2006, 12:24 AM
And your point about Givens making Brady is absolutely ******ed. :sidelol:

Its called sarcasm.


P. S. Buffalo is 1-0 against C-Pep (and Moss only had 11 catches). :cooldude:

Just because your team has only one win you think the Bills own Cpep? Great logic pal.:rolleyes2

Colorado Dolfan
08-30-2006, 12:37 AM
Bottomline, C-pep threw 6 tds to 12 ints in his only season without Moss and led the Vikings to a 2-5 record. 37 year-old Brad Johnson threw 12 tds to 4 ints and led the Vikings to a 7-2 record. Explain that. :shakeno:
31 sacks in 6.25 games vs. 26 sacks in 9.75 games. The O-Line gelled and was protecting the QB better. Amazing how that happens...:shakeno:

Bottom line: C-Pep has the ability to throw 39 TDs in a year. I don't care who your receivers are, if the QB has the ability, the WRs perform better... Frerotte didn't have it, Fiedler didn't have it, C-Pep has it and is a HUGE improvement despite your arguments. That I proved.

Indeed, if you add up Frerotte's best season and Fiedler's best season, between them they have 38 TDs... and 32 Ints... :sidelol:

Anyone that says Culpepper is a step back from the 3 Fs is sadly mistaken... or just trolling for a reaction...:lol:

EBMisfit
08-30-2006, 12:40 AM
Your red zone statistic proves squat. What that he can throw it high to Randy Moss?I know it's hard for someone with you're limited intelligence, but please try to follow the thread. How does someone who's "terrible in the red zone" have a near maximum red zone QB rating?

If Culpepper isn't throwing jump balls to Moss, Moss was taking two players away and causing someone to be wide open. When good teams played against Culpepper, he got shut down.Maybe that says a lot more about the quality (or lack thereof) of the Vikes WR other than Moss than it does about Culpepper.

Bottomline, C-pep threw 6 tds to 12 ints in his only season without Moss and led the Vikings to a 2-5 record. 37 year-old Brad Johnson threw 12 tds to 4 ints and led the Vikings to a 7-2 record. Explain that.Sorry, but we've been there and done that already on this forum. Several times, in fact. If you're really interested, feel free to use the "search" function.

P. S. Buffalo is 1-0 against C-Pep (and Moss only had 11 catches). :cooldude:Which tells us absolutely nothing about how Culpepper played in the game. Or whether that was that was an exception to what very well may be stellar play.

Blurch
08-30-2006, 11:36 AM
Awesome how you read the first post and totally disregard the two posts that totally blow his "research" out of the water. :rolleyes2

Enjoy your losing season... :lol:

Tool.

So if the Vikings have a losing season, that somehow makes Culpepper a good QB?? O.K. Then.

Blurch
08-30-2006, 11:41 AM
Who the hell is "Danute" anyway?

Haven't you heard?
He's the over hyped, over rated, over paid, less intelligent, one legged version of Aaaron Brooks!

Get ready to Start Joey:sidelol:

like2god
08-30-2006, 11:54 AM
Haven't you heard?
He's the over hyped, over rated, over paid, less intelligent, one legged version of Aaaron Brooks!

Get ready to Start Joey:sidelol:

Do they have any good restaurants in Minnesota that serve crow? I would like to send you a few bucks after the season so you can enjoy a good, well deserved meal.

EBMisfit
08-30-2006, 12:01 PM
He's the over hyped, over rated, over paid, less intelligent, one legged version of Aaaron Brooks!There seems to be a 39 TD vs. 11 INT in a year ratio missing from Mr. Brooks' resume then.

EBMisfit
08-30-2006, 12:04 PM
So if the Vikings have a losing season, that somehow makes Culpepper a good QB?? O.K. Then.Still "totally disregard[ing] the two posts that totally blow his 'research' out of the water", I see.

Mike13
08-30-2006, 12:05 PM
So if the Vikings have a losing season, that somehow makes Culpepper a good QB?? O.K. Then.

It will make Childish look stupid and it will show that you guys have a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong way to go.

EBMisfit
08-30-2006, 12:29 PM
It will make Childish look stupidWay too late for that. He's already accomplished that "feat".

Colorado Dolfan
08-30-2006, 12:36 PM
So if the Vikings have a losing season, that somehow makes Culpepper a good QB?? O.K. Then.

Two separate lines of thought, there, buddy... :shakeno:

1.) You ignored the two posts blasting BSs "research."

2.) The Vikings having a losing season has nothing to do with Daunte. It's just gonna happen. So, you might as well enjoy it...:D

retired opfinistic
08-30-2006, 12:41 PM
Two separate lines of thought, there, buddy... :shakeno:

1.) You ignored the two posts blasting BSs "research."

2.) The Vikings having a losing season has nothing to do with Daunte. It's just gonna happen. So, you might as well enjoy it...:D:lol:


Vikings head of personnel, a few years ago:


"Our long term plan is this: Get rid of Moss first, then Pepper, then hire a loser to coach the team. We'll suck *ss for a year or two, then we'll live it up when we move to L.A."

like2god
08-30-2006, 12:45 PM
:lol:


Vikings head of personnel, a few years ago:


"Our long term plan is this: Get rid of Moss first, then Pepper, then hire a loser to coach the team. We'll suck *ss for a year or two, then we'll live it up when we move to L.A."

The poor fans in LA will have to put up with the Jills and the Viqueens. :shakeno:

retired opfinistic
08-30-2006, 12:46 PM
The poor fans in LA will have to put up with the Jills and the Viqueens. :shakeno:http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2006/08/68364680_e50f0bd562_m-1.jpg

like2god
08-30-2006, 12:50 PM
http://static.flickr.com/9/68364680_e50f0bd562_m.jpgWhere did you find that picture of Brad Childress?

http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif

EBMisfit
08-30-2006, 12:51 PM
http://static.flickr.com/9/68364680_e50f0bd562_m.jpgLet me guess... you've been googling again. "Blurch" this time, was it?

retired opfinistic
08-30-2006, 12:52 PM
Let me guess... you've been googling again. "Blurch" this time, was it?yup.

Breed
08-30-2006, 03:15 PM
As an additional point of reference, let's look at the two other QBs that played with Moss. Jeff George threw 23 tds to 12 ints in 14 games.

Jeff George (at the time) had one of the best deep balls in the NFL, and it's not like he didn't have any success prior to the '99 season.

1994 (Falcons)-83.3 QB rating (524 passing attempts)
1995 (Falcons)-89.5 QB rating (557 passing attempts)
1997 (Raiders)-91.2 QB rating (521 passing attempts)
1999 (Vikings)-94.2 QB rating (329 passing attempts)


In 1999, a 35 year old Randall Cunningham threw 34 tds to 10ints and was the NFL's MVP.

One of the most underrated QBs of all time, you also fail to mention his 79.1 QB rating the following season. It's one thing to have 1 really good season; it's quite another thing to have a 91.5 career QB rating over 2,607 passing attempts.


So in conclusion, Randy Moss can make any qb look good (with the except of Kerry Collins who is a turnover machine).

Kerry Collins finished with a 77.3 QB rating last year, just 4 points higher than his career average and 8 points lower than his 85.4 QB rating in 2002 (he also posted an 83.1 QB rating in 2000). Randy Moss+Jerry Porter+Doug Gabriel+Lamont Jordan is better than any (offense) supporting cast Culpepper ever had.

FinFrenzy
08-30-2006, 03:35 PM
Haven't you heard?
He's the over hyped, over rated, over paid, less intelligent, one legged version of Aaaron Brooks!

Get ready to Start Joey:sidelol:


So that's who Danute is, huh??


Well then who is Aaaron Brooks??

Blurch
08-30-2006, 04:12 PM
So that's who Danute is, huh??


Well then who is Aaaron Brooks??


He's Culpepper's Twin in Oakland. Oh wait a minute, Brooks has 2 legs:lol:

I can't wait to watch Danute, or Daunte or :laughat: s h i t for brains, or what ever you want to call him, come apart at the seams starting with his 1st regular season game. Take this to the bank, Saban will bench him in favor of Joey by game 4, probably sooner.

fin1
08-30-2006, 04:23 PM
Which explains why you're laughed at on this board...........



Do you even understand what goes into QB rating? Don't knock something you can't comprehend.



It's hard to put blame on any QB when he has to throw 40 times a game and put up with a defense that gives up 20-30 points a game on a consistant basis.

B-lurch and b-lo are twin red a s s baboon babies of Kinzua they can't read and they have to have somone type for them.

fin1
08-30-2006, 04:25 PM
Well newsflash, no one wins championships in the offseason.

Well newsflash, no Buttfalo team win championships in the post season.

EBMisfit
08-30-2006, 06:27 PM
I can't wait to watch Danute, or Daunte or :laughat: s h i t for brains, or what ever you want to call him, come apart at the seams starting with his 1st regular season game.Well, if you want to talk about sh!t for brains, that would be Childish or your new director of pro personnel.

Take this to the bank, Saban will bench him in favor of Joey by game 4, probably sooner.Just like he was constantly being benched by game 4, probably sooner, in Minnesota?

Kinzua
08-30-2006, 09:09 PM
B-lurch and b-lo are twin red a s s baboon babies of Kinzua they can't read and they have to have somone type for them.

Let me guess ... you're the half-wit they hired to clean the baboon cages at the Indy Zoo, and one of the "perks" is getting to watch the monkeys mate.

Got your eye on those baby baboons, d'ya? Best be care, m0ron. If the zookeepers catch you messin' with the animals like that, finbrain, they'll fire your azz and you'll have to move back in with Mommy and her boyfriend ... :evil:

Oh, yeah, I saw where you admitted I was right about ol' Fat Bennie! Eat crow on that one, finbrain!

EBMisfit
08-30-2006, 09:28 PM
Let me guess ... you're the half-wit they hired to clean the baboon cages at the Indy Zoo, and one of the "perks" is getting to watch the monkeys mate.Let me guess... you're the half-wit who keeps boasting he/she/it knows something about New York geography and the distribution of New York City newspapers and then when proven wrong, lacks the cajones to admit it.

Blurch
08-31-2006, 02:07 PM
Well, if you want to talk about sh!t for brains, that would be Childish or your new director of pro personnel.
Just like he was constantly being benched by game 4, probably sooner, in Minnesota?

I already said Tice was a moron for not benching his interception throwing
a s s. I have a little more respect for Saban as a coach. But apparently you don't. Like I said, I can't wait to watch this train wreck ruin somebody else's season. Enjoy the turnovers!

Mike13
08-31-2006, 02:32 PM
I already said Tice was a moron for not benching his interception throwing
a s s. I have a little more respect for Saban as a coach. But apparently you don't. Like I said, I can't wait to watch this train wreck ruin somebody else's season. Enjoy the turnovers!

No team with Rick Speilman in the FO will be a threat. Andy Reid is pretty smart, he'll send AJ your way!:lol:

retired opfinistic
08-31-2006, 03:01 PM
I already said Tice was a moron for not benching his interception throwing
a s s. I have a little more respect for Saban as a coach. But apparently you don't. Like I said, I can't wait to watch this train wreck ruin somebody else's season. Enjoy the turnovers!enjoy 5-11 under Childress.

EBMisfit
08-31-2006, 04:12 PM
I have a little more respect for Saban as a coach. But apparently you don't.That's funny, because I could have sworn it was you that was questioning his decision to trade a second rounder for Culpepper and not me.

I can't wait to watch this train wreck ruin somebody else's season.You couldn't have voiced my thoughts any better when I learned that the Vikes had signed Spillman to the FO.

And I see you're still ignoring those two posts that pretty much destroyed BS's original "research".

Blurch
09-01-2006, 11:13 AM
That's funny, because I could have sworn it was you that was questioning his decision to trade a second rounder for Culpepper and not me.
You couldn't have voiced my thoughts any better when I learned that the Vikes had signed Spillman to the FO.

And I see you're still ignoring those two posts that pretty much destroyed BS's original "research".

You can twist "BS's research" around any way you want if you want to deny reality. You guys already proved that. Try to slant this in your favor: Compare Culpepper's career stats. with Aaron Brooks' career stats. They're very similar. So congratulations, you gave up your 2nd rounder for a one legged Aaron Brooks.

retired opfinistic
09-01-2006, 11:23 AM
You can twist "BS's research" around any way you want if you want to deny reality. You guys already proved that. Try to slant this in your favor: Compare Culpepper's career stats. with Aaron Brooks' career stats. They're very similar. So congratulations, you gave up your 2nd rounder for a one legged Aaron Brooks.Now that's twisting at it finest! That's like comparing Childress to an NFL head coach.:lol:

Breed
09-01-2006, 12:14 PM
You can twist "BS's research" around any way you want......

...and that's exactly what you did.


Try to slant this in your favor: Compare Culpepper's career stats. with Aaron Brooks' career stats. They're very similar. So congratulations, you gave up your 2nd rounder for a one legged Aaron Brooks.

Career QB rating
Culpepper-91.5
Brooks-79.7

Career yards per carry
Culpepper-5.5
Brooks-4.1

rushing TDs
Culpepper-29 (in 454 attempts)
Brooks-13 (340 attempts)

How exactly are they comparable?

Kinzua
09-01-2006, 01:27 PM
Let me guess... you're the half-wit who keeps boasting he/she/it knows something about New York geography and the distribution of New York City newspapers and then when proven wrong, lacks the cajones to admit it.

FYI, eastern PA and all of NJ are not "Central New York".

You're right. I don't have cajones and never have had them, but then that's the way God made me. What's your excuse? :evil:

fin1
09-01-2006, 02:03 PM
FYI, eastern PA and all of NJ are not "Central New York".

You're right. I don't have cajones and never have had them, but then that's the way God made me. What's your excuse? :evil:

They way God made you and the way the Circus parades you has nothing to do with the fact you are a psycho that likes to use the jack icon and thinks your funny. Kinda like the bearded boy thinks he funny cause everyoines laughing at him.....

like2god
09-01-2006, 02:09 PM
FYI, eastern PA and all of NJ are not "Central New York".

You're right. I don't have cajones and never have had them, but then that's the way God made me. What's your excuse? :evil:

Don't answer EBM's post, Answer MY post.

http://www.finheaven.com/boardvb2/showpost.php?p=2707420&postcount=1


You can't because you are WRONG. :lol:

And don't pump us full of BS about not having a set of balls, you are a he/she/it. You could have boarded Noah's Ark by yourself if you weren't such an abomination. :lol:

Kinzua
09-01-2006, 02:17 PM
They way God made you and the way the Circus parades you has nothing to do with the fact you are a psycho that likes to use the jack icon and thinks your funny. Kinda like the bearded boy thinks he funny cause everyoines laughing at him.....

Speaking from experience, dimwit?

Kinzua
09-01-2006, 02:20 PM
Don't answer EBM's post, Answer MY post.

http://www.finheaven.com/boardvb2/showpost.php?p=2707420&postcount=1


You can't because you are WRONG. :lol:

And don't pump us full of BS about not having a set of balls, you are a he/she/it. You could have boarded Noah's Ark by yourself if you weren't such an abomination. :lol:

Even if a woman's not into that kind of manipulation, it is very cool to have a guy beg, even if it's only whatever you are. :D

icephinfan
09-01-2006, 02:40 PM
Kinzua your smack is wack. Just shut up already. Go get someone to help you GEESH, you make no fu*king Sense!!!!:shakeno:

fin1
09-01-2006, 02:48 PM
Speaking from experience, dimwit?

My experience is seeing you and your a ss clowns at the circus freak show. I can't believe I paid two dollars to see a red a ssed baboon typing on a laptop in a cage.

timbalu
09-01-2006, 02:58 PM
FYI, eastern PA and all of NJ are not "Central New York".

You're right. I don't have cajones and never have had them, but then that's the way God made me. What's your excuse? :evil:

Soooooo-ie , your geography lessons of the tri-state area are as meaningful to most Fin fans as your lack of football knowledge. Don't want to know about your body parts , or lack thereof....Although I wouldn't doubt ,for a second, about your severe case of JOCK ITCH !! :sidelol: :sidelol:

like2god
09-01-2006, 03:33 PM
Even if a woman's not into that kind of manipulation, it is very cool to have a guy beg, even if it's only whatever you are. :D

Are you a professional idiot or are you just a very gifted amateur?

:shakeno:


ANSWER THE POSTS!!!!


.

SpurzN703
09-01-2006, 05:39 PM
Well, the season is about to start and a lot of questions will be answered. A lot of you are under the impression that since a magazine or that tub of lard Peter King state the Fins will be good, that it will ultimately happen. Well newsflash, no one wins championships in the offseason.

As a final gift to some of the biggest bandwagon fans I know, here's some truths on your prized offseason move, Danute "Love Boat" Culpepper. You are all jumping for joy that you have a real QB. Well, here's some stats that may intrigue and amaze you. Please enjoy:

While Culpepper is about a million times more talented than Gus Frerotte, Frerotte takes care of the ball much better than C-pep. For example:

Danute Culpepper (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133263 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133263)) - 81 games, 86 ints, 81 fumbles, 36 fumbles lost
Since I know Florida is in the bottom third of school systems in the country, I will do the math for "y'all" :goof: :
86 + 36= 122 / 81 = 1.5 turnovers/ game

Compare to Frerotte (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1070 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1070)) - 127 games, 79 ints, 58 fumbles, 17 fumbles lost
79 + 17 = 96/ 127= 0.76 turnovers/ game compared
Culpepper turnovers the ball over nearly twice more than Frerotte. I'm not sure but I don't think that's good. :shakeno:

Additionally, Culpepper has taken 228 sacks in 81 games for an average of 2.8 sacks/ game. Frerotte has taken 167 sacks in 127 games for an average of 1.3 sacks/ game. A smart QB can make a offensive line look a lot better than they are. Also by adding our worse lineman one of our worst lines ever (Bennie Anderson) and a LT who has played for 3 teams in 3 years and wasn't wanted by Arizona and Cleveland (LJ Shelton), do you think your line will be as good? And you don't have Randy Moss to say you by catching a hail mary by C-pep. Again, time will tell but these are some very impressive stats if I do say so myself. God, I'm good. Enjoy the season and don't get to heartbroken. I broke it to you earlier. http://www.buffalorange.com/images/smilies/annhe.gif

P.S. Jay Fiedler's career turnover ratio: (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12363 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12363)) - 76 games, 66 ints, 29 fumbles, 16 fumbles lost

66 + 16 = 82/ 76 = 1.1 turnovers/ game

Thank you for taking out time in your awesome life to point this out. Now, my turn.

This coming from a guy who's QBs are JP Losman (who has to keep winning the job every year instead of owning it) and Kelly Holcomb.

How does it make sense for you to make us think we're going nowhere when you're crapass team is even worse? How?

Ronnie 23
09-01-2006, 06:00 PM
yo those gayfers

EBMisfit
09-01-2006, 06:45 PM
You can twist "BS's research" around any way you want if you want to deny reality. You guys already proved that. Try to slant this in your favor: Compare Culpepper's career stats. with Aaron Brooks' career stats. They're very similar. So congratulations, you gave up your 2nd rounder for a one legged Aaron Brooks.Let's see... even with 164 less attempts, Culpepper has 115 more completions for a 18% better completion rate and .82 better YPA. And while he has two more INTs than Brooks, he also has 15 more TDs and about 12 (not .12, but 12) better on his QB rating.

Twist that.

EBMisfit
09-01-2006, 06:50 PM
FYI, eastern PA and all of NJ are not "Central New York".But "Central New York" (rather than Central, New York) is, and that's where L2G claims to have gotten his newspapers. You have yet to prove him wrong.


You're right. I don't have cajones
Ever heard "figurative meaning of a word"? Idiot.



What's your excuse?For what... being more intelligent than you? Merely applying the talents God gave me.

EBMisfit
09-01-2006, 06:53 PM
Even if a woman's not into that kind of manipulation, it is very cool to have a guy beg, even if it's only whatever you are. :DWhatever that's supposed to mean....

icephinfan
09-01-2006, 06:55 PM
Even if a woman's not into that kind of manipulation, it is very cool to have a guy beg, even if it's only whatever you are. :D

What the hell is this suppose to mean. DAMN, you are an idiot!!!!!!

Ronnie writes better than you.:lol:

EBMisfit
09-01-2006, 11:00 PM
<patiently waits for BS2 to make a "My final Loserman stats of doom" thread>

Roman529
09-03-2006, 01:47 AM
Sounds like Bill's fans are really worried about DC....why else would they be posting here.....I guess when you have Lousyman as your QB you have to attack other team's QBs. :lol:

Blurch
09-05-2006, 04:37 PM
Let's see... even with 164 less attempts, Culpepper has 115 more completions for a 18% better completion rate and .82 better YPA. And while he has two more INTs than Brooks, he also has 15 more TDs and about 12 (not .12, but 12) better on his QB rating.

Twist that.

I said their stats are similar, not identical, which you just helped me prove.
Thank you.
Now explain why Aaron Brooks doesn't get half the attention that your new hype job QB gets. Do you think it's because Brooks spent most of his career with a pathetic NO Saints team, while the Vikings had some success in spite of Culpepper , which made him look waaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than he actually is? (remember Randy Moss?). I can't wait till Thursday. That will be the beginning of the wheels coming off this fraud again!

Colorado Dolfan
09-05-2006, 06:02 PM
(remember Randy Moss?)

Yeah... he's the guy that caused C-Pep's completion percentage to drop in 2004... :lol:

EBMisfit
09-05-2006, 06:09 PM
I said their stats are similar, not identical, which you just helped me prove.
Thank you.Yeah, there about as similar as night and day. You do understand how big a difference 18% is, don't you?

Now explain why Aaron Brooks doesn't get half the attention that your new hype job QB gets.Because he isn't half the QB Culpepper is.

Do you think it's because Brooks spent most of his career with a pathetic NO Saints team, while the Vikings had some success in spite of CulpepperNow you're confusing "because" with "in spite".

(remember Randy Moss?).Sure I do. He's that WR that Culpepper sure made some sweet throws to.

I can't wait till Thursday. That will be the beginning of the wheels coming off this fraud again!That's a bit harsh to say about the Vi-queens and their coach, Childish.

Blurch
09-05-2006, 06:13 PM
Yeah... he's the guy that caused C-Pep's completion percentage to drop in 2004... :lol:


What....? I think you're making a joke, but that doesn't even make sense. ???

Just remember what happened to Suckpepper in the ONLY season he played
without Moss - 2005:sidelol: Now that's funny!!!

Blurch
09-05-2006, 06:22 PM
[quote=EBMisfit]Yeah, there about as similar as night and day. You do understand how big a difference 18% is, don't you?

Do you know how bad being only 18% better than Aaron F---ING Brooks is?
I've got news for you, BROOKS STINKS. That's the whole point. And DC has more turnovers to boot. Here, I'll get you started for game 2:
"JOEY-JOEY-JOEY":sidelol:

Colorado Dolfan
09-05-2006, 06:59 PM
What....? I think you're making a joke, but that doesn't even make sense. ???


In 2004, Moss caught 49 of 86 passes thrown to him for 56.9%.

The rest of the team caught 330 of 462 passes thrown to them for 71.3%.

Factoring in Moss' numbers you get 379/548 for 69.2%.

Make sense now? :lol:

Colorado Dolfan
09-05-2006, 07:02 PM
And DC has more turnovers to boot.

Again with the turnovers... Culpepper scores a TD 1.4 times more than he turns the ball over.

Comparisons: (TD/TO)
C-Pep: 1.4/1
Frerotte: 1/1
Fiedler: 1/1.2
Brady: 1.4/1
Brooks 1.2/1

You see why we're not worried? :shakeno:

Breed
09-05-2006, 08:32 PM
I said their stats are similar, not identical, which you just helped me prove.
Thank you.
Now explain why Aaron Brooks doesn't get half the attention that your new hype job QB gets. Do you think it's because Brooks spent most of his career with a pathetic NO Saints team, while the Vikings had some success in spite of Culpepper , which made him look waaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than he actually is? (remember Randy Moss?). I can't wait till Thursday. That will be the beginning of the wheels coming off this fraud again!

For Brooks to get half the attention, he'd have to be half the player..........Brooks isn't half the QB Culpepper is.


Career QB rating
Daunte Culpepper-91.5
Aaron Brooks-79.7
Joey Harrington-68.1

Brooks has an 11.6 point advantage over Harrington; Culpepper has an 11.8 point advantage over Brooks.

BuffaloSoldier2
09-05-2006, 09:02 PM
In 2004, Moss caught 49 of 86 passes thrown to him for 56.9%.

The rest of the team caught 330 of 462 passes thrown to them for 71.3%.

Factoring in Moss' numbers you get 379/548 for 69.2%.

Make sense now? :lol:

That's a cute little stat and all. Too bad it is 100% worthless. That just takes into account the amount of balls thrown in Moss' direction. They could have been bad passes or balls tipped away by defenders. Also. it is harder to complete passes to a wide receiver that is being double and triple teamed. The rest of the team's numbers are a direct result of the amount of attention Moss drew. You can't argue that.

Culpepper has some great numbers. I'm not gonna deny that. And if I was a Fin fan, I'd be excited too. But as an outsider looking in, I can see a lot of flaws in his games. He has played with two Hall of Fame WRs (Chris Carter being the other) than many people rank as the next best wrs to Rice. That's not bad for a QB to throw too. In his one season without Moss, he was horrible and a 36 year old Brad Johnson led the same team to a 6 game winning streak. The Vikings decided they would rather go with Johnson than Culpepper. Add to that the fact he is coming off a major injury, the Dolphins line is very suspect, and Culpepper does turn the ball over quite a bit. Like I said time will tell. But if the Dolphins had to get a supposedly "elite" QB, I would rather have it be Culpepper than McNabb, Brady, Hasselback, or Manning.

Colorado Dolfan
09-05-2006, 10:09 PM
That's a cute little stat and all. Too bad it is 100% worthless. That just takes into account the amount of balls thrown in Moss' direction. They could have been bad passes or balls tipped away by defenders. Also. it is harder to complete passes to a wide receiver that is being double and triple teamed. The rest of the team's numbers are a direct result of the amount of attention Moss drew. You can't argue that.

Of course, the opposite doesn't hold true... None of the balls thrown to the rest of the team could have been bad passes or tipped away by defenders... :rolleyes2

Honestly, if Moss didn't have such a huge ego, I guess C-Pep could have just kept passing to the open guy. I mean, since Moss was always taking 2 or 3 defenders per play... But, no... Moss can catch anything thrown at him... Man-to-man, double, or triple coverage... Doesn't matter... Hence the ball being thrown even into these bad situations...:goof:

Mike13
09-05-2006, 10:10 PM
I can't wait till Thursday. That will be the beginning of the wheels coming off this fraud again!

Neither can I, it will be the rise of a dominant team, and on sunday it will mark the beginng of the end for Childish. Lets not forget that since your dumbas$ is such a pu$$y.

like2god
09-05-2006, 11:44 PM
The Vikings decided they would rather go with Johnson than Culpepper.

That just isn't true.

Culpepper forced a trade by demanding more money from the Vikings, they didn't just decide to trade him based on last years performance. He didn't want to be in Minnesota anymore and used more money and a possible holdout against the Vikes to force their hand. Infact, they tried to get him to come back at one point, they didn't turn on him until the trade was almost completed. That's when Childress started badmouthing Cpep to anyone that would listen.

Did Daunte do the right thing by forcing a trade? From the Phins fan point of view, yes he did. :D :tongue:

.

Blurch
09-06-2006, 09:49 AM
[quote=Colorado Dolfan]Honestly, if Moss didn't have such a huge ego, I guess C-Pep could have just kept passing to the open guy. I mean, since Moss was always taking 2 or 3 defenders per play...

Actually that's pretty much what happened. Moss was being used more and more to draw defenders away from other receivers. He was regularily complaining about not getting the ball enough in 2004, that's part of the reason he ended up in Oakland in 05. And we all know what happened to your elite QB in 05. So, unless Chambers is double teamed in every game this season, leaving your TE's and RB's wide open for the dump off pass, you're going to see Daunte repeat his 2005 performance. Oh and wait til the other defensive coordinators figure out that Daunte comes unglued when you blitz him. I'm sure Belichick already knows this and is looking forward to your first meeting!!

muscle979
09-06-2006, 10:02 AM
That's a cute little stat and all. Too bad it is 100% worthless. That just takes into account the amount of balls thrown in Moss' direction. They could have been bad passes or balls tipped away by defenders. Also. it is harder to complete passes to a wide receiver that is being double and triple teamed. The rest of the team's numbers are a direct result of the amount of attention Moss drew. You can't argue that.

Culpepper has some great numbers. I'm not gonna deny that. And if I was a Fin fan, I'd be excited too. But as an outsider looking in, I can see a lot of flaws in his games. He has played with two Hall of Fame WRs (Chris Carter being the other) than many people rank as the next best wrs to Rice. That's not bad for a QB to throw too. In his one season without Moss, he was horrible and a 36 year old Brad Johnson led the same team to a 6 game winning streak. The Vikings decided they would rather go with Johnson than Culpepper. Add to that the fact he is coming off a major injury, the Dolphins line is very suspect, and Culpepper does turn the ball over quite a bit. Like I said time will tell. But if the Dolphins had to get a supposedly "elite" QB, I would rather have it be Culpepper than McNabb, Brady, Hasselback, or Manning.

You can't deny that Chambers will also draw double teams and that he's better than anybody that was on the Vikings' roster after Moss left. I think he can fill Moss' role. He's also good at going up for the jump balls (you should remember that pretty well) and making the crazy catches.

Mike13
09-06-2006, 12:49 PM
he's better than anybody that was on the Vikings' roster

He still is better than any of those scrubs.

EBMisfit
09-06-2006, 01:08 PM
Just remember what happened to Suckpepper in the ONLY season he played without Moss - 2005:sidelol: Now that's funny!!!Except Moss also missed considerable time in 2004, which just happened to turn out to be Culpepper's best year.

nyjunc
09-06-2006, 01:21 PM
Well, the season is about to start and a lot of questions will be answered. A lot of you are under the impression that since a magazine or that tub of lard Peter King state the Fins will be good, that it will ultimately happen. Well newsflash, no one wins championships in the offseason.

As a final gift to some of the biggest bandwagon fans I know, here's some truths on your prized offseason move, Danute "Love Boat" Culpepper. You are all jumping for joy that you have a real QB. Well, here's some stats that may intrigue and amaze you. Please enjoy:

While Culpepper is about a million times more talented than Gus Frerotte, Frerotte takes care of the ball much better than C-pep. For example:

Danute Culpepper (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133263 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133263)) - 81 games, 86 ints, 81 fumbles, 36 fumbles lost
Since I know Florida is in the bottom third of school systems in the country, I will do the math for "y'all" :goof: :
86 + 36= 122 / 81 = 1.5 turnovers/ game

Compare to Frerotte (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1070 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1070)) - 127 games, 79 ints, 58 fumbles, 17 fumbles lost
79 + 17 = 96/ 127= 0.76 turnovers/ game compared
Culpepper turnovers the ball over nearly twice more than Frerotte. I'm not sure but I don't think that's good. :shakeno:

Additionally, Culpepper has taken 228 sacks in 81 games for an average of 2.8 sacks/ game. Frerotte has taken 167 sacks in 127 games for an average of 1.3 sacks/ game. A smart QB can make a offensive line look a lot better than they are. Also by adding our worse lineman one of our worst lines ever (Bennie Anderson) and a LT who has played for 3 teams in 3 years and wasn't wanted by Arizona and Cleveland (LJ Shelton), do you think your line will be as good? And you don't have Randy Moss to say you by catching a hail mary by C-pep. Again, time will tell but these are some very impressive stats if I do say so myself. God, I'm good. Enjoy the season and don't get to heartbroken. I broke it to you earlier. http://www.buffalorange.com/images/smilies/annhe.gif

P.S. Jay Fiedler's career turnover ratio: (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12363 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12363)) - 76 games, 66 ints, 29 fumbles, 16 fumbles lost

66 + 16 = 82/ 76 = 1.1 turnovers/ game

good post, his TOs are a major reason why he only led Minny to 2 Playoff appearances in 5 years as a starter and a major reason why his D was always in the bottom 3rd. It's not a coincidence that the D gave up 11 LESS PPG when Brad Johnson started last year compared to when Daunte started. Brad took care of the ball and kept his D out of bad situations for the most part.

nyjunc
09-06-2006, 01:22 PM
Except Moss also missed considerable time in 2004, which just happened to turn out to be Culpepper's best year.

What does it say when his "best year" he led his team to an 8-8 record in a pthetic div and conf?

EBMisfit
09-06-2006, 01:32 PM
Do you know how bad being only 18% better than Aaron F---ING Brooks is?Sure I do... do you? (Actually, it's only 8%... don't know how that "1" got in there)
Culpepper: 64.4% completion rate
Peyton Manning: 63.9%
Tom Brady: 61.9%
Matt Hasselback 60.9%
Donovan McNabb: 58.4%
Aaron Brooks: 56.4%

Get the picture? But wait, there's more...

Manning 93.5 QB rating
Culpepper: 91.5
Brady: 88.5
Hasselback: 86.6
McNabb: 84.1
Brooks: 79.7


Here, I'll get you started for game 2:
"JOEY-JOEY-JOEY":sidelol:Here's the Vi-queens chant for game 2:
"....", because they don't have anyone worth cheering for.

EBMisfit
09-06-2006, 01:34 PM
What does it say when his "best year" he led his team to an 8-8 record in a pthetic div and conf?It says that the rest of the team (or at least significant portions of it) stunk.

nyjunc
09-06-2006, 01:39 PM
It says that the rest of the team (or at least significant portions of it) stunk.

Like the D? The D that gave up 28 PPg when daunte started last year and 17 PPg when Brad Johnson started? It wasn't a coincidence, Daunte's TOs and poor play in big games have killed Minny for years.

EBMisfit
09-06-2006, 01:44 PM
Like the D? The D that gave up 28 PPg when daunte started last year and 17 PPg when Brad Johnson started? It wasn't a coincidence, Daunte's TOs and poor play in big games have killed Minny for years.And yet, as Colorado Dolfan pointed out, he has the same ratio of TD:TO as does Brady. But NE's D managed to win games.

nyjunc
09-06-2006, 01:54 PM
And yet, as Colorado Dolfan pointed out, he has the same ratio of TD:TO as does Brady. But NE's D managed to win games.


The ratio is nice but in just 1 more game played Daunte has 20 more INTs and 14 more fumbles- that's 34 more TOs! Brady's TOs aren't always the critical ones and he makes plays in big spots unlike daunte. Oh and Brady has never had the offensive talent around him that Daunte had.

timbalu
09-06-2006, 01:55 PM
good post, his TOs are a major reason why he only led Minny to 2 Playoff appearances in 5 years as a starter and a major reason why his D was always in the bottom 3rd. It's not a coincidence that the D gave up 11 LESS PPG when Brad Johnson started last year compared to when Daunte started. Brad took care of the ball and kept his D out of bad situations for the most part.

This is priceless: Culpepper's critics are NewYew-wukJunk, fan of a team with a 4-12 record and all-time worst record in the AFC East and winner of the AFC East TWICE (again, worst divisional record in the AFC East). Tell me, NewYew-wukJunk, do you think Pennington will get past three games before he goes on I.R. again ? He's NEVER been able to get through one season without wimping out !! :lol: The other is SUCKALOSOLDIER who can't even spell Daunte (calls him Danute) fan of a team with a 5-11 record, a team that's lost far more games than they've won, never won the big game, and winner of the AFC East SEVEN times, less than half the divisional championships of the Fins.SUCKALOSOLDIER, now that your "coach" has committed to Liceman as your starter, how long do you think it will be before he changes to "Holecum" as SUCKALO'S starter.. :lol: You two should go out on a date together, eat several big bowls of chili, and expell gas into each other's mouth. That would make more sense than the time you waste, here, spewing your idiotic garbage. You two are such silly little fruits !! :shakeno:

nyjunc
09-06-2006, 02:08 PM
This is priceless: Culpepper's critics are NewYew-wukJunk, fan of a team with a 4-12 record

So last year at this time my opinion would have been valid b/c we were 10-6 and yours would have been invalid b/c you were 4-12?



all-time worst record in the AFC East and winner of the AFC East TWICE

2 times since '98 or twice as many as the "great" Miami Dolphins oh and since realignment only 6 times have yet to make the playoffs- out of the Jets and Miami guess which one hasn't made it? Miami hasn't even been in a playoff race since 2002 and you are laughing at other teams?:sidelol:


do you think Pennington will get past three games before he goes on I.R. again ? He's NEVER been able to get through one season without wimping out !!

I know my team is worse off w/o Chad unlike minny who had a better record w/o daunte than w/ him.

Blurch
09-06-2006, 02:39 PM
The ratio is nice but in just 1 more game played Daunte has 20 more INTs and 14 more fumbles- that's 34 more TOs! Brady's TOs aren't always the critical ones and he makes plays in big spots unlike daunte. Oh and Brady has never had the offensive talent around him that Daunte had.


Ding Ding Ding ... we have a winner:1st:

It just kills me how people refuse to see the BIG picture with Daunte.
I listened to the same excuses from short sighted Vikings fans for 7 years.
I knew by his 2nd season that DC absolutely can't win any big games.
A 91.4 career passer rating... who the hell cares. He has a losing record as a starter. And I'm so sick of that crap about the QB being only one of 11 players on one side of the ball. The QB handles the ball 50-70 times a game.
A QB can make or break a game. And Culpepper usually broke them. He had his moments here in MN, but overall he was a huge BUST. If you're a Jets fan, you have at leat 2 games to look forward to this year, although I'll gaurantee DC will be riding the bench by the 12/25 game, and probably by the 10/15 game too. Get ready for Joey H!!

Colorado Dolfan
09-06-2006, 06:29 PM
Ding Ding Ding ... we have a winner:1st:

It just kills me how people refuse to see the BIG picture with Daunte.
I listened to the same excuses from short sighted Vikings fans for 7 years.
I knew by his 2nd season that DC absolutely can't win any big games.
A 91.4 career passer rating... who the hell cares. He has a losing record as a starter. And I'm so sick of that crap about the QB being only one of 11 players on one side of the ball. The QB handles the ball 50-70 times a game.
A QB can make or break a game. And Culpepper usually broke them. He had his moments here in MN, but overall he was a huge BUST. If you're a Jets fan, you have at leat 2 games to look forward to this year, although I'll gaurantee DC will be riding the bench by the 12/25 game, and probably by the 10/15 game too. Get ready for Joey H!!

Here's the BIG PICTURE! :lol:

Culpepper > Frerotte, Fiedler, Feeley, Rosenfels, Lucas

If you honestly believe Culpepper can't thrive on a team that survived all of those sub-par QBs, you have personal issues with Daunte far beyond football...

'Nuff said... :shakeno:

Colorado Dolfan
09-06-2006, 10:52 PM
Here's the final roster of the NFL starting QBs and their ranking as to TD/TO ratio... Looks like my quick math earlier was a little off for Daunte, but this list is pretty interesting...:lol:

...and yes, I know some of the math isn't going to work out well, especially for the starters who have seen limited action... (Losman, Rivers, Frye, etc)... They are just in there for the sake of completedness...:wink:

For sh!ts and grins I also decided to add in five of our QBs in recent history...:D

All Teams Starters TD/TO ratio
1. Colts- Manning, P: 1.74/1
2. Steelers- Roethlisberger 1.65/1
3. Jets- Pennington: 1.57/1
4. Titans- Volek: 1.56/1
5. Eagles- McNabb: 1.53/1
6. Bengals- Palmer: 1.52/1
7. Seahawks- Hasselbeck: 1.51/1
8. Patriots- Brady: 1.43/1
9. Redskins- Brunell: 1.42/1
10. Ravens- McNair: 1.40/1
11. Chiefs- Green: 1.37/1
12. Dolphins- Culpepper: 1.34/1
13. Saints- Brees: 1.33/1
14. Vikings- Johnson, B: 1.30/1
15. Packers- Favre: 1.29/1
16. Raiders- Brooks: 1.24/1
17. Jaguars- Leftwich: 1.22/1
18. Rams- Bulger: 1.20/1
19. Cardinals- Warner: 1.16/1
20. Panthers- Delhomme: 1.13/1
21. Falcons- Vick: 1.09/1
22. Giants- Manning, E: 1.03/1
23. Chargers- Rivers: 1.00/1
24. Cowboys- Bledsoe: 0.99/1
25. Broncos- Plummer: 0.92/1
26. Lions- Kitna: 0.89/1
27. Texans- Carr: 0.79/1
28. Buccaneers- Simms: 0.69/1
29. Bears- Grossman: 0.63/1
30. Bills- Losman: 0.62/1
31. Browns- Frye: 0.56/1
32. 49ers- Smith: 0.07/1


Past Dolphins QBs
1. Frerotte: 1.04/1
2. Rosenfels: 1.00/1
3. Fiedler: 0.95/1
4. Lucas: 0.92/1
5. Feeley: 0.74/1

Mike13
09-07-2006, 12:30 AM
Like the D? The D that gave up 28 PPg when daunte started last year and 17 PPg when Brad Johnson started? It wasn't a coincidence

They played weaker teams when Grandpa Johnson was in.

Kinzua
09-07-2006, 09:25 AM
This is priceless: Culpepper's critics are NewYew-wukJunk, fan of a team with a 4-12 record and all-time worst record in the AFC East and winner of the AFC East TWICE (again, worst divisional record in the AFC East). Tell me, NewYew-wukJunk, do you think Pennington will get past three games before he goes on I.R. again ? He's NEVER been able to get through one season without wimping out !! :lol: The other is SUCKALOSOLDIER who can't even spell Daunte (calls him Danute) fan of a team with a 5-11 record, a team that's lost far more games than they've won, never won the big game, and winner of the AFC East SEVEN times, less than half the divisional championships of the Fins.SUCKALOSOLDIER, now that your "coach" has committed to Liceman as your starter, how long do you think it will be before he changes to "Holecum" as SUCKALO'S starter.. :lol: You two should go out on a date together, eat several big bowls of chili, and expell gas into each other's mouth. That would make more sense than the time you waste, here, spewing your idiotic garbage. You two are such silly little fruits !! :shakeno:

Once again Timbits displays his lack of logical thought for all the world to see.

Kinzua
09-07-2006, 09:26 AM
They played weaker teams when Grandpa Johnson was in.

Excuses, excuses! :evil:

EBMisfit
09-07-2006, 12:42 PM
Oh and Brady has never had the offensive talent around him that Daunte had.Are you kidding me? Yeah, sure Culpepper had Randy Moss, but little else compares favorably to the talent NE had.

EBMisfit
09-07-2006, 12:47 PM
Ding Ding Ding ... we have a winner:1st:Too bad it sure ain't the Vi-Queens.

And I'm so sick of that crap about the QB being only one of 11 players on one side of the ball.That doesn't make it any less true.

The QB handles the ball 50-70 times a game.The center does so as well... maybe it's all his fault the Vi-queens sucked instead.

A QB can make or break a game.Thanks, Mr. Obvious.

Get ready for Joey H!!Get ready to be served plenty of crow.

Mike13
09-07-2006, 01:32 PM
Excuses, excuses! :evil:

Well Miss/Mr Hypocrite what was your excuse for the Jills crappy play last year?

nyjunc
09-07-2006, 02:33 PM
Are you kidding me? Yeah, sure Culpepper had Randy Moss, but little else compares favorably to the talent NE had.

"Sure he had Randy Moss"- if that was all he had it's better than anything Brady has had but he's had Carter, Smith, Burleson and a stable of good backs giving him a MUCH better ground game than NE.

Blurch
09-07-2006, 03:15 PM
[quote]Too bad it sure ain't the Vi-Queens.

How does that help the Dolphins after you lose tonite?




The center does so as well... maybe it's all his fault the Vi-queens sucked instead.


No, Maybe it's the ref's fault, or the ball boy's. They handle the ball a lot too.
Congratulations - Now you sound like a true Daunte supporter. Keep the excuses rolling, you're going to need them.

retired opfinistic
09-07-2006, 03:37 PM
[quote=EBMisfit]

How does that help the Dolphins after you lose tonite?




No, Maybe it's the ref's fault, or the ball boy's. They handle the ball a lot too.
Congratulations - Now you sound like a true Daunte supporter. Keep the excuses rolling, you're going to need them.You'll be needing the 'Big Book O' Excuses' for the Dykings inevitable sucking this season, here's one to get you started.

"We traded our Pro-Bowl QB for a second round pick :boohoo: ."

BuffaloSoldier2
09-08-2006, 12:20 AM
Well, the season is about to start and a lot of questions will be answered. A lot of you are under the impression that since a magazine or that tub of lard Peter King state the Fins will be good, that it will ultimately happen. Well newsflash, no one wins championships in the offseason.

As a final gift to some of the biggest bandwagon fans I know, here's some truths on your prized offseason move, Danute "Love Boat" Culpepper. You are all jumping for joy that you have a real QB. Well, here's some stats that may intrigue and amaze you. Please enjoy:

While Culpepper is about a million times more talented than Gus Frerotte, Frerotte takes care of the ball much better than C-pep. For example:

Danute Culpepper (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133263 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133263)) - 81 games, 86 ints, 81 fumbles, 36 fumbles lost
Since I know Florida is in the bottom third of school systems in the country, I will do the math for "y'all" :goof: :
86 + 36= 122 / 81 = 1.5 turnovers/ game

Compare to Frerotte (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1070 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1070)) - 127 games, 79 ints, 58 fumbles, 17 fumbles lost
79 + 17 = 96/ 127= 0.76 turnovers/ game compared
Culpepper turnovers the ball over nearly twice more than Frerotte. I'm not sure but I don't think that's good. :shakeno:

Additionally, Culpepper has taken 228 sacks in 81 games for an average of 2.8 sacks/ game. Frerotte has taken 167 sacks in 127 games for an average of 1.3 sacks/ game. A smart QB can make a offensive line look a lot better than they are. Also by adding our worse lineman one of our worst lines ever (Bennie Anderson) and a LT who has played for 3 teams in 3 years and wasn't wanted by Arizona and Cleveland (LJ Shelton), do you think your line will be as good? And you don't have Randy Moss to say you by catching a hail mary by C-pep. Again, time will tell but these are some very impressive stats if I do say so myself. God, I'm good. Enjoy the season and don't get to heartbroken. I broke it to you earlier. http://www.buffalorange.com/images/smilies/annhe.gif

P.S. Jay Fiedler's career turnover ratio: (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12363 (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12363)) - 76 games, 66 ints, 29 fumbles, 16 fumbles lost

66 + 16 = 82/ 76 = 1.1 turnovers/ game

:sidelol:
Actually, I was off by a half of turnover. :wink:

You can't say I didn't warn ya. :lol:

At least, Culpepper was pretty clutch.

Charlie Batch >>>>>>> Culpepper

nyrican
09-08-2006, 12:27 AM
:sidelol:
Actually, I was off by a half of turnover. :wink:

You can't say I didn't warn ya. :lol:

At least, Culpepper was pretty clutch.

Charlie Batch >>>>>>> Culpepper

you see they were all bashing batch and batch busted them on thier sorry ***** :dolphins: :sidelol: :sidelol:

BuffaloSoldier2
09-17-2006, 10:40 PM
:sidelol:

But i thought the magazines said the Bills were horrible and the Dolphins were going to the Super Bowl. :cooldude:

There are some good people here but damn I was on...

BuffaloSoldier2 >>>> Nick Saban

Colorado Dolfan
09-17-2006, 10:59 PM
:sidelol:

But i thought the magazines said the Bills were horrible and the Dolphins were going to the Super Bowl. :cooldude:

There are some good people here but damn I was on...

BuffaloSoldier2 >>>> Nick Saban

Don't be pattin' yourself on the back just yet...:shakeno:

Last I heard the NFL season was 16 games... Still plenty of time for the Bills to suck and the 'Phins to make a playoff push... :D

BuffaloSoldier2
06-17-2007, 08:01 PM
Don't be pattin' yourself on the back just yet...:shakeno:

Last I heard the NFL season was 16 games... Still plenty of time for the Bills to suck and the 'Phins to make a playoff push... :D

:cooldude:

Seriously, I should be your GM. I couldn't be any worse. :wink: