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Motion
09-06-2006, 08:20 AM
:boohoo:

Just heard on local radio that Sony has announced there will only be 400,000 PS3's available in the US on launch day, and a whopping 100,000 in Japan.

Apparently they are having problems getting a certain part for the Blu-Ray made fast enough.

I can see the Ebay prices now. :eek:

305TillIDie
09-06-2006, 08:22 AM
i wont get ps3 until the price goes down :refuse:

Motion
09-06-2006, 08:27 AM
:boohoo:

Just heard on local radio that Sony has announced there will only be 400,000 PS3's available in the US on launch day, and a whopping 100,000 in Japan.

Apparently they are having problems getting a certain part for the Blu-Ray made fast enough.

I can see the Ebay prices now. :eek:

Update: Not sure what their sources are but this is the most recent article I could find, and it says they still hope to have a couple million.

http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/09/06/ps3/index.php

Motion
09-06-2006, 08:32 AM
http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/5520/53/

Another article, Europe, Asia, and Australia release date pushed back to March 2007.

TrueDolFan
09-06-2006, 08:53 AM
Doesn't surprise me at all. Remember the launch of the PS2? History repeats itself.

Majpain
09-06-2006, 08:55 AM
haha the fall of sony is upon us! I think it was too early to jump on blueray.

mor911
09-06-2006, 09:19 AM
I read two articles that also said half a million between US and Japan. :(

Bruzer
09-06-2006, 10:03 AM
haha the fall of sony is upon us! I think it was too early to jump on blueray.

Sorry but ps3 wont be a end of playstation say IF it does bad which i seriously doubt. They will attempt agian sony makes to much money to just stop now. Im positive ps3 wont be the end of playstation no matter what.

mor911
09-06-2006, 10:08 AM
It's completely normal for there to be shortages on the launch of a new cutting edge console. I just hate that Sony lies so damn much... They talk SOOOOOO much big talk. Then fall short EVERY time. Remember the web browser for the PS2? Remember 1080p support for the $600 PS3 out of the box.... Remember that announcement that they will have 10 million units at launch so nobody has to wait in line?

Majpain
09-06-2006, 10:10 AM
Its not even coming with a HDTV cable. Makes me glad I bought a 360.

mor911
09-06-2006, 10:16 AM
Well it still comes with component cables (supports up to 1080i) which is pleanty HD... but to take advantage of blu-ray and "tru next gen" HD displays in 1080p (according to Sony), you'll need HDMI cables. Which it won't come with.

It was originally announced to come with it.

Bruzer
09-06-2006, 10:21 AM
I just don't see sony failing for the fact they got a couple titles that will sell the system alone. Plus this isnt even counting the games not yet announced. Like I said wait 2-3 years before you say a system is failing.

Samphin
09-06-2006, 10:42 AM
Yikes, I am glad I got 360 now. Coming from a PS2 owner, I am sick of the constant delays that Sony seems to be having. By the time it comes out, we will hae xbox 720 almost out at this rate.

Dol-Fan Dupree
09-06-2006, 10:47 AM
My TV only goes to 1080i, which is lame, I should of waited.

mor911
09-06-2006, 10:51 AM
I'm NOT saying the PS3 will fail. It won't. There's now way in hell Sony will let that happen. Even if it has to drop the price to $400 in the first year to get unit sales up, the PS3 MUST succeed. They've put too much money into it.

Let's do some fast math... Assuming they sell all 500K units it launches with (I have no doubt they will). Let's say 350K are the high-end $600 PS3 and 150K are the low-end $500 PS3. Selling the launch 500K brings in a whopping $285 million... ON 500K units. Expect at least another 500K - 1 million by Christmas.

They've already made over $500 million in sales.

They won't fail. It's Sony people.

Bruzer
09-06-2006, 11:17 AM
I didn't mean your mor and your points are right sony does lie and have before but we should be use to being lied so what would make game business different?

Anyways non the less i look forward to ps3 and the titles for it. I think it will take time but I believe blueray will catch on for games.

Deus Ex Dolphin
09-06-2006, 11:28 AM
I'm surprised the actual numbers are so low. I've been saying since last year that:

Sony would NOT have a Spring 2006 launch for the PS3.

That Sony would NOT launch in Europe until Spring 2007.

That Sony would NOT have even the 2 million units at launch, though I thought it would be about 1.5 million.

Sony is in trouble.

While I don't see the PS3 as a total failure, they may be looking at being #3 this hardware gen. The Wii will do very well in Japan, while MS will continue to gain a huge lead in North America and Europe.

Developers will delay games for the PS3, as the numbers won't be there until late 2007 or even 2008. A PS3 exclusive would be a huge risk with such small numbers.

I feel for the Sony fans. I'm #3 on the pre-order list at my Game Crazy, but will I even GET a system at launch??? I should, but it seems like about 10 systems per store, at best. Ebay should be doing some brisk business...

Mike13
09-06-2006, 11:37 AM
I don't think it will fail, Sony might struggle but I don't think the PS3 will fail.

Deus Ex Dolphin
09-06-2006, 11:40 AM
I'm NOT saying the PS3 will fail. It won't. There's now way in hell Sony will let that happen. Even if it has to drop the price to $400 in the first year to get unit sales up, the PS3 MUST succeed. They've put too much money into it.

Let's do some fast math... Assuming they sell all 500K units it launches with (I have no doubt they will). Let's say 350K are the high-end $600 PS3 and 150K are the low-end $500 PS3. Selling the launch 500K brings in a whopping $285 million... ON 500K units. Expect at least another 500K - 1 million by Christmas.

They've already made over $500 million in sales.

They won't fail. It's Sony people.


More quick math though... if Sony is LOSING about $200 per PS3 built? How much does the launch cost them? $100 million is losses???

Eventually they can lower production costs, but the first couple years will hurt badly, and MS can twist the knife by dropping the 360 price or offering a cheaper HD-DVD bundle package. The PS3 will be the more expensive option, and casual consumers will be looking first at the Wii and Core 360.

mor911
09-06-2006, 11:52 AM
But nobody knows if they're REALLY losing money on every unit sold. That's all analyst's speculations. For all we know, they're making money on each unit. The truth is, nobody knows. Nobody knows how much is cost Microsoft to manufacture ach 360 and nobody knows how much it costs Sony to manufacture a PS3. Only Microsoft and Sony (respectably) know that. I can only assume (based on good business) that Sony is at least breaking even on each unit sold.

They've never said they're losing money per unit.

The real thing Sony is screwing up, is ignoring the European market. They're giving the US most of the launch units, and Japan a good chunk. Europe will have to wait till March 07 to buy a PS3... A WHOLE lot of Christmas 360 will be sold in Europe in that timeframe...

A Wing Pilot
09-06-2006, 11:56 AM
I'm NOT saying the PS3 will fail. It won't. There's now way in hell Sony will let that happen. Even if it has to drop the price to $400 in the first year to get unit sales up, the PS3 MUST succeed. They've put too much money into it.

Let's do some fast math... Assuming they sell all 500K units it launches with (I have no doubt they will). Let's say 350K are the high-end $600 PS3 and 150K are the low-end $500 PS3. Selling the launch 500K brings in a whopping $285 million... ON 500K units. Expect at least another 500K - 1 million by Christmas.

They've already made over $500 million in sales.

They won't fail. It's Sony people.


You have to take out 10-20% of that for local store profit, minus the development and manufacturing cost, minus the shipping costs. You're looking at negative numbers. Products won't make a profit on first release.. it will take time to recoup that $.

nevadadolfan
09-06-2006, 12:18 PM
So help me out here, The U.S. is getting more units than Japan at launch? I thought they would be getting more. Are we that much more of a bigger market than JP, I thought they would get more units upon launch, being such a huge gaming country and all.

Motion
09-06-2006, 12:23 PM
So help me out here, The U.S. is getting more units than Japan at launch? I thought they would be getting more. Are we that much more of a bigger market than JP, I thought they would get more units upon launch, being such a huge gaming country and all.

Apparently not according to the latest reports.

Deus Ex Dolphin
09-06-2006, 12:23 PM
But nobody knows if they're REALLY losing money on every unit sold. That's all analyst's speculations. For all we know, they're making money on each unit. The truth is, nobody knows. Nobody knows how much is cost Microsoft to manufacture ach 360 and nobody knows how much it costs Sony to manufacture a PS3. Only Microsoft and Sony (respectably) know that. I can only assume (based on good business) that Sony is at least breaking even on each unit sold.

They've never said they're losing money per unit.

The real thing Sony is screwing up, is ignoring the European market. They're giving the US most of the launch units, and Japan a good chunk. Europe will have to wait till March 07 to buy a PS3... A WHOLE lot of Christmas 360 will be sold in Europe in that timeframe...


Mor... did you REALLY type all that with a straight face? :D Do you REALLY believe Sony is making money, even breaking even on the PS3 costs?

Oh, it might not be a $200 loss per system, but even a $100 loss, or a $50 loss adds up FAST.

Majpain
09-06-2006, 02:03 PM
how much does it cost to make a PS3 anyways?

mor911
09-06-2006, 02:09 PM
how much does it cost to make a PS3 anyways?
Nobody but Sony knows. Analysts speculate (I stress the word speculate) about $700-$900 per unit. If that were the case, Sony's losing $200-$300 per unit. If the price of the console was $400, I'd agree that they're taking a loss... Because they went with the ballsy $600 I think they're trying ot break even. But who the hell am I?

Medieval954
09-06-2006, 07:09 PM
Sony lied? You don't say! I for one am shocked...shocked!


In the U.S., about 400,000 PlayStation 3 machines will be available when they go on sale Nov. 17. About 100,000 will be available on the Nov. 11 Japan launch date.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/09/06/business/AS_FIN_COM_Japan_Sony_PlayStation.php


Unreal. They've just handed Nintendo the Japanese market with Wii, are letting Microsoft continue to grow it's Xbox 360 lead in North America and have given the European market the middle finger. This is a spectacular botch of thier console launch.

Bruzer
09-06-2006, 07:41 PM
I would say this picture is about right estimates for sony components. Wow sony must be a failure because some people in this thread think so. :lol: Like more said sony will do fine. They always have and if they start bad they will find a way to make system sell. Eye Toy has yet to present thier new technology which right now rumors are will be soon.

http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif

Medieval954
09-06-2006, 07:48 PM
I would say this picture is about right estimates for sony components. Wow sony must be a failure because some people in this thread think so. :lol: Like more said sony will do fine. They always have and if they start bad they will find a way to make system sell. Eye Toy has yet to present thier new technology which right now rumors are will be soon.

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/ne/p/2006/consoles_chart_232x215.gif
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2006/09/comical_ali-1.jpg

Majpain
09-06-2006, 09:51 PM
Whats killing the PS3 is that Blue ray. If they had a normal HD unit put in it would be alot cheaper, I would be buying the PS3!

Bruzer
09-06-2006, 11:16 PM
That is what is killing price but it is also allowing alot bigger games and less compression needed on disk to make game run.

Desides
09-07-2006, 07:31 AM
Whats killing the PS3 is that Blue ray. If they had a normal HD unit put in it would be alot cheaper, I would be buying the PS3!

... What? Do you even know the meaning of the terms you're using? What is a "normal HD unit?"

Majpain
09-07-2006, 08:48 AM
... What? Do you even know the meaning of the terms you're using? What is a "normal HD unit?"

What Xbox 360 has!

Phin-o-rama
09-07-2006, 08:56 AM
i think blu ray is kind of a mistake....sony is sticking to their guns because they have a ton invested in blu ray....early reports have the hd-dvd outperforming blu ray anyways....we'll see


oh...i also saw pioneer is making a bluray/hddvd combo drive...so maybe both formats will win??

Desides
09-07-2006, 08:59 AM
What Xbox 360 has!

... What?

You are baffling me.

mor911
09-07-2006, 09:46 AM
I think he means optical drive... I think he means they should have opted for a normal DVD9 based optical drive over Blu-ray and the unit could have (possibly) been $400.

Phin-o-rama
09-07-2006, 09:47 AM
he is referring to the exra 2-300 dollar blu ray drive that ps3 is putting intheir system.

He is saying that if s0ny had gone with a standar dvd optical drive like the one in the xb0x 360 then the price would be reflective of that and thus be more affordable and he would buy one.

Phin-o-rama
09-07-2006, 09:48 AM
damn u mor!!!!!!


:D

mor911
09-07-2006, 09:59 AM
damn u mor!!!!!!


:D:evil: :tongue:

Majpain
09-07-2006, 10:00 AM
I think he means optical drive... I think he means they should have opted for a normal DVD9 based optical drive over Blu-ray and the unit could have (possibly) been $400.

Thank you Mor and Phin-O-Rama

AngryDolphins
09-07-2006, 02:25 PM
sucks for them...good thing I got my 360.

Slappy8800
09-08-2006, 10:56 PM
what if blu-ray is a flop? where does that put sony?

Bruzer
09-08-2006, 11:11 PM
If it flops they learn thier lesson. Whether it flops or not it WILL NOT ruin sony.. They got thier fingers in everything electronic it will be a mere setback thats it....

Majpain
09-09-2006, 12:42 AM
The release date got pushed back again, to March 07.

mor911
09-09-2006, 02:23 AM
That's the European launch date bro. The US and Japanese lanch is still November.

AirMarino83
09-09-2006, 04:06 AM
wow. it seems like this board is really anti sony, or they just have negative feelings on the ps3, well atleast initally. i for one was waiting on the ps3, but i seem to always hear more and more negative things about it.

mor911
09-09-2006, 04:38 AM
I actually think the opposite. I think th majority of the board is pro-Sony. Sony doesn't exactly make it easy to cheer them on sometimes. Their (Sony) PR skills are often puzzling to me... They don't seem to ever tell the public or the media the right thing.

Little by little every day another Sony faithful goes out and buys a 360. I been seeing it in here a lot.

UCFinfan86
09-09-2006, 12:23 PM
I actually think the opposite. I think th majority of the board is pro-Sony. Sony doesn't exactly make it easy to cheer them on sometimes. Their (Sony) PR skills are often puzzling to me... They don't seem to ever tell the public or the media the right thing.

Little by little every day another Sony faithful goes out and buys a 360. I been seeing it in here a lot.

My brother is getting a PS3 for Xmas(or atleast he hopes, if my parent's can get one). Originally i was just going to wait until Next Xmas and get a PS3 if the price came down, but idk. Maybe i will settle for a 360 next Xmas instead of the price of PS3 doesn't go down or PS3 isn't as good.

My only problem with the 360 is that alot of my friend have problems, like it freezes, disk can't read. Also the wireless controls, batteries run out quick as hell.

Also is 360 and PS3 games both 60$? or are PS3 raising their prices?

Majpain
09-09-2006, 01:51 PM
That's the European launch date bro. The US and Japanese lanch is still November.

Oh sucks for the Euros.

Desides
09-09-2006, 02:14 PM
Little by little every day another Sony faithful goes out and buys a 360. I been seeing it in here a lot.

I will never understand people who buy just one console and stick to it no matter what. Good on them for getting to play Dead Rising, Forza 2, Halo 3, and so on, but they're simultaneously missing out on MGS4, FF13, DMC4, and so forth.

dolphinfan2k5
09-09-2006, 02:42 PM
I will never understand people who buy just one console and stick to it no matter what. Good on them for getting to play Dead Rising, Forza 2, Halo 3, and so on, but they're simultaneously missing out on MGS4, FF13, DMC4, and so forth.

Not everyone can shell out 1000 dollars on consoles. Plus the various other costs that we all know add up way too fast.

Phinlivin'in703
09-09-2006, 03:26 PM
i wont get ps3 until the price goes down :refuse:

thinkin' the same thing

mor911
09-09-2006, 05:02 PM
I will never understand people who buy just one console and stick to it no matter what. Good on them for getting to play Dead Rising, Forza 2, Halo 3, and so on, but they're simultaneously missing out on MGS4, FF13, DMC4, and so forth.
I don't unerstand blind faithfulness to a console either... If you loved your PS2, that's no reason to discount a 360. If you love you Xbox, that's no reason to discount a PS3. It's dumb.

I do understand that not everyone can afford both consoles. So sometimes you have to choose a side. But to hope the other side fails is also ignorant. If your competition goes away, your console will have no reason to put out top tier games.

AirMarino83
09-09-2006, 05:48 PM
very true mor in regards to hoping the other system fails. i am one of those gamers that buys one system. i havent gotten a 360 because i want to wait on the ps3, but damn... little by little, the 360 looks better and better.

Bruzer
09-09-2006, 06:55 PM
I agree 360 looks good I won't deny that I just don't like people saying ps3 will fail. Yes 360 is looking better and better but its released and ps3 is not. I will be gettign a system probably a year from now and thats when I will decide.

AirMarino83
09-09-2006, 08:01 PM
damnit! i cant wait a year. but, ill atleast wait till the ps3 is out

Mike13
09-10-2006, 12:17 AM
I don't unerstand blind faithfulness to a console either... If you loved your PS2, that's no reason to discount a 360. If you love you Xbox, that's no reason to discount a PS3. It's dumb.

I do understand that not everyone can afford both consoles. So sometimes you have to choose a side. But to hope the other side fails is also ignorant. If your competition goes away, your console will have no reason to put out top tier games.

I agree with you.

Desides
09-10-2006, 02:07 AM
Not everyone can shell out 1000 dollars on consoles.

That's still not a reason to wage console warfare. Wait until the console drops to an acceptable price, then pick it up and the games you want to play. In this modern age of eBay, Greatest Hits lines, and used games/consoles, it really is not that difficult.

Desides
09-10-2006, 02:17 AM
I think he means optical drive... I think he means they should have opted for a normal DVD9 based optical drive over Blu-ray and the unit could have (possibly) been $400.

The problem with this idea is that it presumes the Blu-Ray drive is the most expensive component of the PS3. I'd wager that the Cell and possibly the RSX cost more.

Of course, I'm biased--I think the Blu-Ray drive is necessary. A few 360 developers have complained about the DVD drive; there are some PS2 games that ship on DVD9s, some on multiple DVD9s (Xenosaga); word is that Metal Gear Solid 4 uses a Blu-Ray disc instead of a DVD9; and I think the Blu-Ray drive will allow the PS3 to get a technological lead on the 360 during the last 2 or 3 years of these consoles' lifespans. And I'd get the console regardless of what drive is in there, so hey.

Dol-Fan Dupree
09-10-2006, 04:47 AM
The problem with this idea is that it presumes the Blu-Ray drive is the most expensive component of the PS3. I'd wager that the Cell and possibly the RSX cost more.

Of course, I'm biased--I think the Blu-Ray drive is necessary. A few 360 developers have complained about the DVD drive; there are some PS2 games that ship on DVD9s, some on multiple DVD9s (Xenosaga); word is that Metal Gear Solid 4 uses a Blu-Ray disc instead of a DVD9; and I think the Blu-Ray drive will allow the PS3 to get a technological lead on the 360 during the last 2 or 3 years of these consoles' lifespans. And I'd get the console regardless of what drive is in there, so hey.

I believe that both companies should of waited another year or more to wait for high definition drives to become cheaper. Right now you have the 360 who has a good chance of being too small in 3 years, and the PS3 which is too expensive now. (From what I read without the blu ray they could knock the price around 120 bucks. Cell adds another 90 or so)

Offerdahl56
09-12-2006, 02:21 PM
I actually think the opposite. I think th majority of the board is pro-Sony. Sony doesn't exactly make it easy to cheer them on sometimes. Their (Sony) PR skills are often puzzling to me... They don't seem to ever tell the public or the media the right thing.

Little by little every day another Sony faithful goes out and buys a 360. I been seeing it in here a lot.


exactly...i for one am a HUGE Sony supporter.....but i recently got a 360 b\c I could rationalize spending $700 for a game system....that's almost a rent payment for me....the specs on the PS3 look cool, but do i really need to watch Blu-ray movies? I have an HDTV and you know what, regular ones look ok to me....i think it all blils down to the price and i think Sony may regret this move...but I could be wrong...

I still think the PS3 will be great....just too much for me...

Dol-Fan Dupree
09-12-2006, 03:12 PM
exactly...i for one am a HUGE Sony supporter.....but i recently got a 360 b\c I could rationalize spending $700 for a game system....that's almost a rent payment for me....the specs on the PS3 look cool, but do i really need to watch Blu-ray movies? I have an HDTV and you know what, regular ones look ok to me....i think it all blils down to the price and i think Sony may regret this move...but I could be wrong...

I still think the PS3 will be great....just too much for me...

I think sony regrets this decision IFF the increase in game size has topped off.