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Hurricane495
04-29-2003, 06:01 PM
I laugh that everyone talks about signing willis with travis henry and gary on board.

No granted henry rushed dor over 1000 yards and he is good but He fumbles alot and the bills only signed him to a ONE YEAR deal meaning they probably wont want him back next year as for olandis 2 season ending injuries the last 2 years

Dolphins rule baby this year is ours

zonk39
04-29-2003, 06:03 PM
Henry was singed to a one year extension. I think his contract runs out in 2006.

Justasportsfan
04-29-2003, 06:08 PM
Originally posted by zonk39
Henry was singed to a one year extension. I think his contract runs out in 2006.

:lol: I guess that killed H495's smack. :lol:

:foundout: <---- Hurricane495

zevo
04-29-2003, 06:11 PM
LOL! HOLLA!

zonk39
04-29-2003, 06:12 PM
lol

Boomer
04-29-2003, 06:21 PM
I think, as Peter King very interestingly stated in his Monday Morning QB Column this week, that life will be very uncomfortable for Henry who has done NOTHING but be an excellent TB, a good citizen and a solid member of the Buffalo Bills. He also said that he fully believed that Henry would be traded after rushing for more than 1500 yards this year for a top 10 pick in next years draft which at this stage looks about as loaded as any draft I can think of in memory. Whilst it's hard to say that that will happen, the Bills didn't draft McGahee to ride the pine the rest of his life - kid is going to play and Travis will be dealt. So when the Bills have two picks in the top 10 next year - one for Henryand one for playing so bad, ( :) sorry Bill friends ) we might not be smiling.

Justasportsfan
04-29-2003, 06:27 PM
The job is Henry's to lose. If anything, Henry should play better from all of this to secure his spot. No one is even sure if WM will ever be the same again.

Peter King also said Henry didn't lose any of the fumbles he had last year. Yeah right.

Boomer
04-29-2003, 06:32 PM
Thing is JAF, Tom Modrak and Tom Donahue MUST think he'll be the same again or they would never have taken the risk. The Bills are a good team, getting better and better. But they were not in the position to draft Willis McGahee in R1 unless they were CERTAIN that he was going to get back to 100%. You can't afford luxury picks in this day and age. And that was a reputation risking pick. And with the cap hit for trading Henry just $440,000, you'd be NUTS not to cash in.

iceblizzard69
04-29-2003, 06:49 PM
Henry has two years left on his contract after he signed the one year extension, something he said he wouldn't have done if he knew the Bills were going for McGahee.

PhinPhreak
04-29-2003, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by iceblizzard69
Henry has two years left on his contract after he signed the one year extension, something he said he wouldn't have done if he knew the Bills were going for McGahee.


Yep he feels the Bills backstabbed him by offering him the extension and then drafting aRB in the first round, the way it looks to TH and the rest of the NFL is that they got Travis to sign the extension to make him more marketable to trade.

It is going to be much easier to trade a RB with 2 years left then a RB entering his final year.

jaketaylor
04-29-2003, 08:01 PM
Yep. The Bills gave Henry the Bids-ness. But, like the saying goes "Hurry up and wake up. Were about to execute you." OK. Thats not a real saying but, they dirtied TH.

Tatonka
04-29-2003, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by Hurricane495
I laugh that everyone talks about signing willis with travis henry and gary on board.

No granted henry rushed dor over 1000 yards and he is good but He fumbles alot and the bills only signed him to a ONE YEAR deal meaning they probably wont want him back next year as for olandis 2 season ending injuries the last 2 years

Dolphins rule baby this year is ours

jesus.. this thread is packed with bad info and misinformation.. do your homework people.. Hurricane, that is seriously one of the worst posts i have ever seen.. why dont you just scream "O'Doyle RULES!" and dump billy madisons lunch on his head.

henry signed a one year extention.. he is signed through the end of the 2005 season.. that equals 3 years, Hurricane495.. just so you know.

gary did not have a season ending injury last year. and he is on a 2 year incentive laden deal.

our rb situation for this year doesnt change.. henry starts, gary backs up. WM gets healthy.

henry will fight for his job. if henry plays at the level of RW, do you think he is gone? nope. he is signed for 3 more years.. his salary this year is about 300k, next year is about 700k, and the last year is 1.5. very cheap for a premier back, if that is what he turns out to be... which it looks like so far, if you stack his first 2 years to RWs.

and boomer.. we addressed defense in the 2nd round, with kelsay.. who do you think was there at 23 in the first that should have been picked?

Tatonka
04-29-2003, 08:44 PM
oh.. forgot to add... if henry is actually traded, then that is great great news, because that means an incredible guy like McGahee was able to recover from his injury.

and henry would be easy as hell to trade with the salary he is making.

Dozerdog
04-29-2003, 09:00 PM
Don't totally rule out Trading McGahee if TH puts up sick numbers as well.

McG , if prooven healthy, could also demand some sick picks. Any teams stupid enpough to trade 2 #1's for a RB....AGAIN?

I can't help but think that if the Dolphins went after Portis last season and used all those picks to fill holes, they would be in much better shape. And I'm sure RW is a lot closer to one of those "Melt downs" than Portis is.

Yeah, Ricky was a top back in the league- but in the end- he consumed way to many resources (Cap and lost picks) and the net result was a decline in the overall record of the team.

TD made lemonade out of a draft full of lemons.






Moore....:lol:

T-ROCK
04-29-2003, 09:01 PM
Bills fans, perhaps none of the ones who frequent this forum, were quick to point out the # of times Ricky fumbled in New Orleans...

And they were equally quick to gloss over Henry's 11 fumbles, 8 of which he lost...

Henry fumbled almost twice as many times as Ricky, with less carries, and lost 8 of 11...

But he still has a right to be upset when the teams drafted McGahee... Maybe they're hoping to convert McGahee to either DE or LB since the ones they have will be getting mostly looks at the back of Ricky's jersey, at least McGahee could read the small print on Ricky's collar...

T-ROCK
04-29-2003, 09:04 PM
Originally posted by Dozerdog
Don't totally rule out Trading McGahee if TH puts up sick numbers as well.

McG , if prooven healthy, could also demand some sick picks. Any teams stupid enpough to trade 2 #1's for a RB....AGAIN?

I can't help but think that if the Dolphins went after Portis last season and used all those picks to fill holes, they would be in much better shape. And I'm sure RW is a lot closer to one of those &quot;Melt downs&quot; than Portis is.

Yeah, Ricky was a top back in the league- but in the end- he consumed way to many resources (Cap and lost picks) and the net result was a decline in the overall record of the team.

TD made lemonade out of a draft full of lemons. Moore....:lol:

LMAO, you're joking, right???

The Bills use a 1st round pick for a guy in hopes of trading him for a 1st round pick... Obviously, you haven't a clue what Ricky's cap # was... If you wouldn't trade 2 #1 picks, both of which were past the middle of the round, for the league's leading rusher when your running game was horrible, you're nuts...

finfan54
04-29-2003, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by justafan
The job is Henry's to lose. If anything, Henry should play better from all of this to secure his spot. No one is even sure if WM will ever be the same again.

Peter King also said Henry didn't lose any of the fumbles he had last year. Yeah right.


who is to say that willis mcgahee wont fumble? rb in the nfl is quite different than playing rutgers and syracuse.

Tatonka
04-29-2003, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by T-ROCK


If you wouldn't trade 2 #1 picks, both of which were past the middle of the round, for the league's leading rusher when your running game was horrible, you're nuts...

he didnt say that.. he said that ricky, while leading the nfl in yards, also cost you much more money because he did so well, and cost you 2 first rounders instead of 1, just to watch your team record get WORSE than it was before he was there.. and to watch the fins MISS THE PLAYOFFS even with the #3 defense and the leagues leading rusher.

but it doesnt surprise me that you wouldnt want to see that for what it was.. it probably still stings.. all those years that people said you were a RB away.. they were obviously off.. you were a RB, QB, and WRs away.

BillsMan80
04-29-2003, 10:23 PM
Willis I believe fumbled twice in 282 carries if I am not mistaken.

Dozerdog
04-29-2003, 10:35 PM
I'm Glad someone on this board can read, Tatonka!

finfan54
04-29-2003, 10:53 PM
Originally posted by Tatonka


he didnt say that.. he said that ricky, while leading the nfl in yards, also cost you much more money because he did so well, and cost you 2 first rounders instead of 1, just to watch your team record get WORSE than it was before he was there.. and to watch the fins MISS THE PLAYOFFS even with the #3 defense and the leagues leading rusher.

but it doesnt surprise me that you wouldnt want to see that for what it was.. it probably still stings.. all those years that people said you were a RB away.. they were obviously off.. you were a RB, QB, and WRs away.

it doesnt surprise me that you ignore that ray lucas played 6 games for us. two against the Bills.

finfan54
04-29-2003, 10:57 PM
Originally posted by BillsMan80
Willis I believe fumbled twice in 282 carries if I am not mistaken.

playing rutgers and syracuse and Temple and Boston College and ...........shall i go on? i didnt say he fumbles. i said it is much different in the NFL. guys who had two major knee surgeries ussually dont last as long. lets step into reality please.

BillsMan80
04-29-2003, 11:24 PM
Originally posted by finfan54


playing rutgers and syracuse and Temple and Boston College and ...........shall i go on? i didnt say he fumbles. i said it is much different in the NFL. guys who had two major knee surgeries ussually dont last as long. lets step into reality please.

Actually, Willis McGahee was one of the best RB prospects coming out in recent years and still is, and in fact is regarded as a better pro prospect as Ricky Williams was when he was coming out of Texas. Willis McGahee will be given all the time he needs to return from the injury and will be 100% and no less when he returns to the field for us. And as a matter of fact, Willis stepped it up against top competition. Here are his game logs:

Florida A&M: 6-60-1
@Florida: 24-204-0
@Temple: 21-134-4
Boston College: 17-135-2
UConn: 11-107-3
Florida State: 26-95-1
@West Virginia: 32-112-3
@Rutgers: 23-187-2
@Tennessee: 30-154-1
Pittsburgh: 19-159-2
@Syracuse: 14-134-2
Virginia Tech: 39-205-6

Fiesta Bowl
Ohio State: 20-67-1

It looks to me like the Florida, Boston College, Florida State, West Virginia, Tennessee, Pittsburgh, and Va Tech games which coincidentally were tough games on the schedule were when he had huge games. Especially Va Tech. The only reality is how good Willis McGahee will be once he heals from the injury and the sky is the limit for Willis.

Clumpy
04-29-2003, 11:52 PM
I suspect that McGahee didn't play much vs Fla A&M or UConn

BillsMan80
04-30-2003, 12:00 AM
Notice the games that he got the rock 25+ times were against the big boys on the schedule. He's a prime time player.

P4E
04-30-2003, 12:06 AM
McGahee is utterly irrelevant to this season and this forum.

Mods... can we get this cr*p where it belongs?

dolphan
04-30-2003, 01:57 AM
"Henry has two years left on his contract after he signed the one year extension, something he said he wouldn't have done if he knew the Bills were going for McGahee."

This is wrong.

He signed a 4 year rookie contract. He has played 2 years of it. Then they extended it a year. He has 3 years left. He's got a contract for 2003, 2004 AND 2005.

Let's say McGahee comes back. Let's say Henry has another great year and makes the Pro Bowl (and this time they'll hand him the ball more and the offense was bulit with run blockers at TE and FB this year). How attractive is a two time pro bowler with 2 cheap years on his contract?

dolphan
04-30-2003, 01:58 AM
Will McGahee become a fumbler too? Who knows.

But I know this:

When he took that helmet to his leg and blew it out...

he held on to the ball.

finfan54
04-30-2003, 02:26 AM
Originally posted by dolphan
Will McGahee become a fumbler too? Who knows.

But I know this:

When he took that helmet to his leg and blew it out...

he held on to the ball.

so be it. we shall see. but does anyone see edgerrin james being the same rb he was? i dont. Take any great RB in history, did they have an injury like this? name me one. and ill shut my mouth. The average life of a football player in the NFL is 4.5 years. How long do you really think that WM will last? i admire the courage, the pure heart, the sweat and tears of willis mcgahee, but his life in the NFL has been cut short. If he goes 10 years in the NFL, i will say that he is the toughest MotherF...... there ever was! But that aint gonna happen. the speed, the hits, the brutal task of the long NFL season will eventually take its toll on Willis Mcgahee. The odds are way too big for him to be like OJ Simpson or anyone else that bills fans have pulled out of the air about WM to last. It has never been done. i hate to be so skeptical. but i am surely not the only one.
OJ Simpson
Emmitt Smith
Jim Brown
Eric Dickerson
Walter Peyton

None of them ever had injuries, certainly none like willis mcgahee.

Robert Edwards could of been a good-great back, but his football life was seriously cut short. If anybody here had a serious objective review of guys with this bad of an injury, will find that to last longer than 5 years as a decent back is hard to do, let alone 10 great years as a great RB. that is my point. and to make him all world before he has even done anything in the NFL is sticking your neck way way out there. go ahead and trade travis henry. i will be laughing at Tom donohoe for years and years. The great GM who thought he could!:lol:

Rrodr038
04-30-2003, 02:27 AM
Originally posted by BillsMan80


Actually, Willis McGahee was one of the best RB prospects coming out in recent years and still is, and in fact is regarded as a better pro prospect as Ricky Williams was when he was coming out of Texas. Willis McGahee will be given all the time he needs to return from the injury and will be 100% and no less when he returns to the field for us.

Who ever told you that McGahee was a better prospect coming out than RW was is mistaken. McGahee had one great year, breaking UM season rushing records and perhaps leading the team to the Fiesta bowl, but he did not win the Heisman, was not a four year starter, and did not break the NCAA rushing mark as RW did. Yes, RW went #6 in the draft to New Orleans and McGahee was slated to go at he very least in the top 3 but this was a much worse class in terms of running backs and all around talent level.

Secondly, all this crap about him coming back to be 100% is pure speculation. For all you know, the guy could back for his first full practice in pads and blow his knee again (for the third time, cuz he tore ligaments during his senior season of HS; two blown knees in a span of four years! Ouch!). It was a risky move considering the major surgery and how it could affect Henry's play. It could work out in Buffalo's favor but chances are it won't.

dolphan
04-30-2003, 03:42 AM
Well...to be fair...surgery makes your broken parts less likely to break again than it happening to someone else for the first time...

and he only blew his knee because a helmet crashed into it.

It's not like he tore his ligaments running...that stuff is unavoidable and could happen to anyone at anytime.

P4E
04-30-2003, 07:20 AM
Originally posted by dolphan

Well...to be fair...surgery makes your broken parts less likely to break again than it happening to someone else for the first time...



THAT... is not necessarily true, dolphan.

What you're saying may be true in the case of certain injuries, but I know very well that certain tears or the repair thereof will cause the creation of scar tissue which can then cause impingement, such as in the case of a torn rotator cuff.

The reality that it was torn and/or surgically repaired leaves it MORE susceptible to further tears than would be the case with a never-injured cuff. The ortho-surgeon will seek to remove existing scar tissue and repair to help limit the prospect of excess scarring, but it's a greater problem than the risk to the uninjured, either way.

dolphan
04-30-2003, 06:14 PM
Oh...I didn't know that. I thought that it stood for all injuries. Thanks.