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Amars
10-03-2006, 02:51 PM
Just saw it on ESPN. I think he hurt his calf in practice today. This will really hurt them if he cant play tommorrow.

Roman529
10-03-2006, 03:15 PM
Ouch...first Pedro, now El Dukie.

Eop05
10-03-2006, 03:59 PM
Oh boy. I thought their pitching would be fine without Pedro, but now without El Duque. They're in trouble.

I am now officially worried

finswin56
10-03-2006, 04:31 PM
Could be as simple as a cramp :pray:

Ray Finkle
10-03-2006, 05:42 PM
Mets won't decide on a Game 1 starter (Hernandez or Maine) until tomorrow morning.

NJFINSFAN1
10-03-2006, 05:45 PM
Every year, a new young gun comes thru big time in the playoffs!!

Welcome Mr. Maine to the big time!!!!

Anna who???

RWhitney014
10-03-2006, 05:57 PM
John Maine as your Game 1 starter in the playoffs does not bode well.

finswin56
10-03-2006, 07:27 PM
John Maine as your Game 1 starter in the playoffs does not bode well.I don't know. He probably pitched better the last few months of the season than anyone. I'm a heck of a lot more confident with Maine starting game 1 than the Human Rain Delay.

Boik14
10-03-2006, 07:27 PM
John Maine as your Game 1 starter in the playoffs does not bode well.It could if we win game 1 and el duque is ready for game 3 or 4. I said it before he was a met that there were very few pitchers id rather have in a big game. The only 2 i can think of are Mo Rivera and Curt Schilling. All the others that have had great regular season success, im just not sure they handle the postseason as well.

Samphin
10-03-2006, 07:32 PM
Derek Lowe and Brad Penny have a history of post season success having both won rings ( I believe both got the victory on the clinching game too). Come to think of it, Maddux has a ring and a ton of postseason experience too. L.A.'s starting staff certainly should have the edge here, especially if Livan is scratched alongside Pedro.

RWhitney014
10-03-2006, 08:13 PM
I don't know. He probably pitched better the last few months of the season than anyone. I'm a heck of a lot more confident with Maine starting game 1 than the Human Rain Delay.

Let me put it this way. On Day 1 of the season, if I told you you'd be in the playoffs, what would you think if I told you a 6-5 John Maine would be starting it?

finswin56
10-03-2006, 09:34 PM
Let me put it this way. On Day 1 of the season, if I told you you'd be in the playoffs, what would you think if I told you a 6-5 John Maine would be starting it?Well, now that's a completely different story :wink:

RWhitney014
10-03-2006, 10:00 PM
Well, now that's a completely different story :wink:

But if you wouldn't have been confident in it then, it hasn't changed much to now. Obviously, the guy didn't go 0-20 with a 10 ERA, but he didn't do the opposite, either. If he's your top gun, though, that's trouble.

finswin56
10-03-2006, 10:21 PM
But if you wouldn't have been confident in it then, it hasn't changed much to now. Obviously, the guy didn't go 0-20 with a 10 ERA, but he didn't do the opposite, either. If he's your top gun, though, that's trouble.You're way off here.

First of all, at the beginning of the year everything would be based off of speculation, and an overall compilation of statistics. SEEING Maine's progression through the season is not the same as speculating at the beginning of the year based off of an ERA and W/L record for the year.

Secondly, no one's calling him our top gun. He just may have to pitch in the place generally reserved for the top gun. With any decent notice before hand, Maine would not be pitching in this game. I was just pointing out that it's not nearly as dismal as you were making it out to be. Dismal would have be Trax pitching. There's a W/L that doesn't tell you anything meaningful.

NJFINSFAN1
10-03-2006, 10:21 PM
Derek Lowe and Brad Penny have a history of post season success having both won rings ( I believe both got the victory on the clinching game too). Come to think of it, Maddux has a ring and a ton of postseason experience too. L.A.'s starting staff certainly should have the edge here, especially if Livan is scratched alongside Pedro.

That's why we play the games, stats and paper mean squat!

finswin56
10-03-2006, 11:05 PM
That's why we play the games, stats and paper mean squat!games are played in tv sets

RWhitney014
10-04-2006, 12:07 AM
You're way off here.

First of all, at the beginning of the year everything would be based off of speculation, and an overall compilation of statistics. SEEING Maine's progression through the season is not the same as speculating at the beginning of the year based off of an ERA and W/L record for the year.

Secondly, no one's calling him our top gun. He just may have to pitch in the place generally reserved for the top gun. With any decent notice before hand, Maine would not be pitching in this game. I was just pointing out that it's not nearly as dismal as you were making it out to be. Dismal would have be Trax pitching. There's a W/L that doesn't tell you anything meaningful.

Is it that much of a leap of faith to say that the Mets would be better off if a better, more accomplished pitcher than John Maine was functioning as the "top gun"? This really shouldn't be much of an argument here. The Mets' starting staff is not good right now, and that can undermine a good team.

MikeO
10-04-2006, 01:22 AM
Mets better plan on scoring about 8 runs a game.

I wonder if the pressure of the starting pitchers dropping will get to the hitters. That kind of pressure coudl crumble them.

Boik14
10-04-2006, 01:46 AM
Is it that much of a leap of faith to say that the Mets would be better off if a better, more accomplished pitcher than John Maine was functioning as the "top gun"? This really shouldn't be much of an argument here. The Mets' starting staff is not good right now, and that can undermine a good team. Considering the fact that John Maine actually had the lowest era of any starter including pedro I dont see the reason you can sit there and hate on this kid. Every year there's a SP that comes through with a gem or 2. Why cant it be John Maine? He averages about 6-7 k's p/9 a relevant stat because in the playoffs young finese sp's tend to get kicked around a little, and he does a good job keeping runners off the bases with a 1.13 whip.

The only 2 downpoints to john maine are the fact he needs to keep the ball in the yeard (averaging about a hr per start) and that he's inexperienced. The second part we cant do anything about right now and im not sure how relevant it really is because hes in a position thats no different than you or I applying for a job in a field we've never been in before, that is youre always inexperienced until you get the shot. Its what you do with your chance that matters. Relating to the first point though, the Dodgers are among the bottom teams in Hr's so Im not sure that his homer per start average will have a major bearing.

Now if anyone can explain to me why a staff of Maine (6-5- 3.60), Glavine (15-7-3.82), and El Duque (9-7- 4.09 as a met) cannot represent the NL while being backed by the 2nd best offense when absolutely nothing is wrong with our offense and we've had shady starting all year it would be greatly appreciated.

Pitching usually wins but since no one in the NL seems to have it any great quantity, save for Houston, who in the bloody deuce is going to stop the Mets when these same teams havent done it all season? Why dont we talk about the Mets sweeps of Philly, St Louis, SD, ATL etc teams that contended or were supposed to with supposedly good staffs. Remind me again how we ****** up some smart kids will ya please? :fire:

finswin56
10-04-2006, 11:12 AM
Is it that much of a leap of faith to say that the Mets would be better off if a better, more accomplished pitcher than John Maine was functioning as the "top gun"? This really shouldn't be much of an argument here. The Mets' starting staff is not good right now, and that can undermine a good team.I'm confused, are you refuting my post?

Eop05
10-04-2006, 11:51 AM
El Duque out of playoffs.

This just isn't fair for the Mets.

finswin56
10-04-2006, 12:18 PM
Okay, now some things just can't be overcome. This is ridiculous.

MikeO
10-04-2006, 01:24 PM
This just in. Before the Mets game today they won't play the National Anthem.

They will paly TAPS!

FinsNYanksFan13
10-04-2006, 01:46 PM
Mets in 5!

NJFINSFAN1
10-04-2006, 07:23 PM
This just in. Before the Mets game today they won't play the National Anthem.

They will paly TAPS!

I didn't hear taps??? Did you?????:shakeno:

Amars
10-04-2006, 07:36 PM
Mets in 5!

Dodgers in 4

Boik14
10-04-2006, 07:37 PM
This puts the mets at a serious advantage. We have Glavine going now against a rookie in our park Unlike maine he wont have the crowd cheering for him but trying to rattle him. Dont underestimate the importance of 55000 fans screaming for you to choke.

finswin56
10-04-2006, 08:35 PM
Not bad for a rookie in game one?

NJFINSFAN1
10-06-2006, 11:17 PM
This just in. Before the Mets game today they won't play the National Anthem.

They will paly TAPS!

I think you got that wrong!

Kenny Rodgers played Taps tonight!:wink:


You got to know when to fold them!