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Muck
10-08-2006, 01:40 AM
Sorry if this was in the Yankees thread. I looked thru the last three pages and didn't see it. I'll merge if I missed.

Anyway, SportsCenter....citing the NY Daily News....says King George is expected to fire Yankees manager Joe Torre and replace him with Lou Pinella.

Just passing it along.

King Felix
10-08-2006, 01:41 AM
yup i just saw that too.

icephinfan
10-08-2006, 01:42 AM
Espnews just said that too. Yankees need a change, that high payroll and out of the playoffs.

UCFinfan86
10-08-2006, 01:43 AM
wow i wasn't expecting that at all, where do you think torre will land a job??? Cubs??

Rocky Raccoon
10-08-2006, 01:44 AM
:eek:

Ray Finkle
10-08-2006, 01:47 AM
Nah, Torre will retire in my opinion. He's pretty old, and has tons of money.

I'm shocked by the news but really Torre has had his moments in the playoffs (good and bad) but this might be the best move for everyone involved.

Not sure if Pinella is the right guy but everyone knew if Torre got canned Louie would be the man.

Ray Finkle
10-08-2006, 02:11 AM
Here's the link:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2617224

dominizzo
10-08-2006, 02:33 AM
WOOW Pinella


i say he does Squat

MikeO
10-08-2006, 02:34 AM
Pinella is exactly what is needed.

a) He is very tight with AROD and maybe he can bring out the very best in AROD.

b) He is the exact opposite of Joe. He will shake things up. He will bring a different attitude to the clubhouse. 10 years ia long time on any job. After a while words you say lose their impact. That isn't a knock on Joe, its just a fact of life

Prime Time
10-08-2006, 02:35 AM
I could see a possible Torre and Bonds honeymoon soon :)

MikeO
10-08-2006, 02:36 AM
I could see a possible Torre and Bonds match soon :)

where? It won't be in SF!

Prime Time
10-08-2006, 02:36 AM
where? It won't be in SF!

Why not?

FinsNYanksFan13
10-08-2006, 02:39 AM
I'm not ready to throw Torre to the wolves. I'm going to have to sleep on this for a while but one thing I will say is that this team needs to get younger. Bye to Sheffield, Randy, Mussina, Bernie, and unfortunately A-Rod. A-Rod is not going to cut in the Bronx period. He's the first person who needs to go when the house cleaning begins. I gave him the benefit of the doubt everytime but now it's over. Screw Lou Pinella making A-Rod have to go, A-Rod gets shown the door before Torre IMO!

MikeO
10-08-2006, 02:39 AM
Why not?

Cause Bonds is all but out of there.

The list of demands he gave the team was laughable. He removed his nameplate off his locker.

The guy was a royal jackass the final 2 weeks of the season (which for him is saying something). He all but burned his bridges with them.

Unless that front office sells their soul to get those 81 games sold out so people can fist fight over that record breaking home run ball, don't expect Bonds back in SF

MikeO
10-08-2006, 02:40 AM
I'm not ready to throw Torre to the wolves. I'm going to have to sleep on this for a while but one thing I will say is that this team needs to get younger. Bye to Sheffield, Randy, Mussina, Bernie, and unfortunately A-Rod. A-Rod is not going to cut in the Bronx period. He's the first person who needs to go when the house cleaning begins. I gave him the benefit of the doubt everytime but now it's over. Screw Lou Pinella making A-Rod have to go, A-Rod gets shown the door before Torre IMO!

I guarntee you if Pinella is brought in, his first demand is AROD stays.

They are very very VERY tight. Pinella won't take this job without AROD. Take THAT to the bank!

FinsNYanksFan13
10-08-2006, 02:46 AM
I guarntee you if Pinella is brought in, his first demand is AROD stays.

They are very very VERY tight. Pinella won't take this job without AROD. Take THAT to the bank!


I'm not disputing that. I just think that Torre should stay and the Yankees should let Moose and Sheff walk, trade A-Rod, and buy out Randy Johnson and Jaret Wright. Then I think this team will be headed in the right direction!

MikeO
10-08-2006, 02:51 AM
I'm not disputing that. I just think that Torre should stay and the Yankees should let Moose and Sheff walk, trade A-Rod, and buy out Randy Johnson and Jaret Wright. Then I think this team will be headed in the right direction!

Buying out Randy won't happen

Sheff and Wright are gone

Moose if the price is right will stay

And I think JOE TORRE will take the fall for this. Cashman ain't. He just got a big deal last year and got all the control. Not to mention he gave Joe all the pieces to win. Not much more Brian can do. Brian can't control the fact Pavano isn't healthy. Joe has had a nice 10 year ride here, but he's gonna take the fall for this I feel. Do they let him step down or do they fire him. I am sure the option of him stepping down will be given. ANd let's just leave it at that.

dob72
10-08-2006, 04:57 AM
:lol: this just keeps getting better

nyjunc
10-08-2006, 08:41 AM
Sorry if this was in the Yankees thread. I looked thru the last three pages and didn't see it. I'll merge if I missed.

Anyway, SportsCenter....citing the NY Daily News....says King George is expected to fire Yankees manager Joe Torre and replace him with Lou Pinella.

Just passing it along.

it's to be expected, as long as ARod is gone I will be happy.

NJFINSFAN1
10-08-2006, 09:03 AM
Pinella is exactly what is needed.

a) He is very tight with AROD and maybe he can bring out the very best in AROD.

b) He is the exact opposite of Joe. He will shake things up. He will bring a different attitude to the clubhouse. 10 years ia long time on any job. After a while words you say lose their impact. That isn't a knock on Joe, its just a fact of life


Gee, you told me there is no way Torre is gone the other day?????

MikeO
10-08-2006, 09:50 AM
Gee, you told me there is no way Torre is gone the other day?????

No, I said Joe T won't quit!!!

If they "fire him", while I am a little surprised, the way this Detroit series played out and his mis-management of it was huge. I didn't see that coming

ChambersWI
10-08-2006, 10:00 AM
I actually think Lou will get the best out of A-Rod for the reasons Mike said.

Also, a team of veterans needs someone who is tough on them. Lou's style didn't work with a bunch of young guys in their early 20's, but it will definatly work in the Bronx

HuskerFin
10-08-2006, 11:33 AM
Too bad for Torre.

Ive been a Tigers fan for the past 20 years, and have grown to pretty much hate the Yankees. Have enjoyed watching the Yankees though, when not playing the Tigers.

I think of Torre, as I do Leyland. "One of the good guys in baseball."

nyjunc
10-08-2006, 11:37 AM
I actually think Lou will get the best out of A-Rod for the reasons Mike said.

Also, a team of veterans needs someone who is tough on them. Lou's style didn't work with a bunch of young guys in their early 20's, but it will definatly work in the Bronx

you have it the opposite, an intense guy like Lou should work w/ young players who don't know any better but it will be tough to take for vet players set in their ways.

FinsNYanksFan13
10-08-2006, 11:40 AM
you have it the opposite, an intense guy like Lou should work w/ young players who don't know any better but it will be tough to take for vet players set in their ways.


Exactly. Lou starts that flipping out crap in the Bronx and he will be turned off real quick. I still say we should keep Torre. This post-season loss is not his fault and should fall directly on the shoulders of the players. Their needs to be changes to the roster and probably should have been a long time ago but all yesterday did was make you realize that it's got to happen now!

Ray Finkle
10-08-2006, 11:41 AM
you have it the opposite, an intense guy like Lou should work w/ young players who don't know any better but it will be tough to take for vet players set in their ways.

Can't you imagine Jeter making a base running mistake or fielding mistake and Pinella starts yelling at him? I wonder what Jeter would do. I'm not sure Pinella is the right guy for the job, but maybe the Yankees just need a good kick in the butt to get them going.

Ray Finkle
10-08-2006, 11:55 AM
One thing to beaware of and I'm sure a lot of people already no this is that the Yankees need to interview some minorities for the managing job before they hire Pinella, unless they don't care about MLB fines. So expect names like Dusty Baker, Tony Pena etc to pop up as possible managers being interviewed.

GreenMonster
10-08-2006, 12:02 PM
:lol: this just keeps getting better

This is a surprise.. I do agree that Pinella is a great manager that will shake it up a little different from the way Torre does things.. This is probably a great move for the Yanks, change starts with fresh blood..

Jt0323
10-08-2006, 12:21 PM
Cause Bonds is all but out of there.

The list of demands he gave the team was laughable. He removed his nameplate off his locker.

The guy was a royal jackass the final 2 weeks of the season (which for him is saying something). He all but burned his bridges with them.

Unless that front office sells their soul to get those 81 games sold out so people can fist fight over that record breaking home run ball, don't expect Bonds back in SF
id expect bonds in the AL cause i dont think he can take another season in the field...

FinsNYanksFan13
10-08-2006, 12:26 PM
Let's wait until Torre is fired before we find his successor!

nyjunc
10-08-2006, 12:29 PM
One thing to beaware of and I'm sure a lot of people already no this is that the Yankees need to interview some minorities for the managing job before they hire Pinella, unless they don't care about MLB fines. So expect names like Dusty Baker, Tony Pena etc to pop up as possible managers being interviewed.

is there a silly rule like that in MLB? i know there is one in the NFl but I don't recall any in MLB.

MikeO
10-08-2006, 12:35 PM
is there a silly rule like that in MLB? i know there is one in the NFl but I don't recall any in MLB.

No rule like that in MLB. Although most teams do interview minorities just for the good P.R. it brings.

Willy Randolph has the story of when he interviewed for the Cincy job a few years back. Saying he knew he was their "token" interview and the guy wasn't even paying attention to him during the interview. He was just going through the motions

MikeO
10-08-2006, 12:37 PM
Can't you imagine Jeter making a base running mistake or fielding mistake and Pinella starts yelling at him? I wonder what Jeter would do. I'm not sure Pinella is the right guy for the job, but maybe the Yankees just need a good kick in the butt to get them going.

If Lou is smart he doesn't go after Jeter. Derek is a god in that city. You go after him and your stay there will be a short one. Pinella or not!!!!

MikeO
10-08-2006, 12:40 PM
Exactly. Lou starts that flipping out crap in the Bronx and he will be turned off real quick. I still say we should keep Torre. This post-season loss is not his fault and should fall directly on the shoulders of the players. Their needs to be changes to the roster and probably should have been a long time ago but all yesterday did was make you realize that it's got to happen now!

Joe has to take the fall. Since that Game 3 win in boston back in 2004 where they won 19-8. NY is 3-10 in the postseason.

You can say the Sheff/Matsui thing this year tied his hands in some ways. Fine. But Joe has to take the fall eventually. He got 11 years as the Yankee manager. That is unheard of!!! It's been a nice ride but at some point ya gotta take the bullet for the coming up short.

nyjunc
10-08-2006, 12:49 PM
No rule like that in MLB. Although most teams do interview minorities just for the good P.R. it brings.

Willy Randolph has the story of when he interviewed for the Cincy job a few years back. Saying he knew he was their "token" interview and the guy wasn't even paying attention to him during the interview. He was just going through the motions

willie was offered the Cincy job so I don't know how much of a token he was. he declined b/c they offered him so little money.

FinsNYanksFan13
10-08-2006, 12:52 PM
Joe has to take the fall. Since that Game 3 win in boston back in 2004 where they won 19-8. NY is 3-10 in the postseason.

You can say the Sheff/Matsui thing this year tied his hands in some ways. Fine. But Joe has to take the fall eventually. He got 11 years as the Yankee manager. That is unheard of!!! It's been a nice ride but at some point ya gotta take the bullet for the coming up short.


Your just looking for a scapegoat. Joe's been here 11 years and has had 11 years of success......THAT IS UNHEARD OF. How many managers have had as many division titles as him? As many World Series in 11 years as he has? The problem isn't Joe, it's the Yankees signing these old fogies to monster contracts and then wondering why they're breaking down at the end of the season when the Yankees need them the most!

nyjunc
10-08-2006, 12:54 PM
I don't think it's Joe's fault but I do think it's time for a change but I wouldn't be upset if he came back. As long as ARod, Shef and some others are gone I don't care who the Mgr is.

FinsNYanksFan13
10-08-2006, 01:00 PM
By the way if anyone should take the heat it should be the Boss himself. Until this year he has had his nose in the Yankees roster business undermining Cashman at every move. Sheffield, Randy Johnson, Jaret Wright, A-Rod, Kenny Lofton, and the lost goes on and on of guys he just had to have. Now that Cashman is in control, your not going to see this crap anymore. The farm system will be rebuilt and the Yankees will sign young studs instead of guys who Steinbrenner likes 3 years after they've peaked!

djfresh47
10-08-2006, 01:26 PM
I said in another thread the Yankees need to make changes. I don't think managers make that big of a difference in the game. It's still a players game. Failing in the postseason 6 years in a row makes the move obvious.

Ray Finkle
10-08-2006, 01:53 PM
is there a silly rule like that in MLB? i know there is one in the NFl but I don't recall any in MLB.

Yes, I believe there is a silly rule like that in the MLB. I'm almost 100% certain that teams have to interview minorities or they'll get fined. I remember reading about it when the Red Sox fired Little and newspapers saying that they had to interview minorities or get fined even though they had made up their mind with Francona. Also when Theo left they had to interview a few miniorities too.

But hey MikeO could be right, I guess we'll see if Torre gets fired and Pinella gets hired right away and the Yankees get fined, or if they interivew a minority or 2.

Ray Finkle
10-08-2006, 01:54 PM
If Lou is smart he doesn't go after Jeter. Derek is a god in that city. You go after him and your stay there will be a short one. Pinella or not!!!!

Oh I agree but it was just example. I could have named any of the veterans on the team just picked Jeter because he was the first guy that popped into my head.

MikeO
10-08-2006, 05:49 PM
Your just looking for a scapegoat. Joe's been here 11 years and has had 11 years of success......THAT IS UNHEARD OF. How many managers have had as many division titles as him? As many World Series in 11 years as he has? The problem isn't Joe, it's the Yankees signing these old fogies to monster contracts and then wondering why they're breaking down at the end of the season when the Yankees need them the most!

Of course I am looking for a scapegoat. Somebody has to be the fall guy!!

MikeO
10-08-2006, 05:51 PM
Yes, I believe there is a silly rule like that in the MLB. I'm almost 100% certain that teams have to interview minorities or they'll get fined. I remember reading about it when the Red Sox fired Little and newspapers saying that they had to interview minorities or get fined even though they had made up their mind with Francona. Also when Theo left they had to interview a few miniorities too.

But hey MikeO could be right, I guess we'll see if Torre gets fired and Pinella gets hired right away and the Yankees get fined, or if they interivew a minority or 2.

Even if there is a fine.......who cares. Just pay it. Why insult anyone and waste there time when everyone knows LOU is going to get the job.

djfresh47
10-08-2006, 06:08 PM
I actually think Lou will get the best out of A-Rod for the reasons Mike said.

Also, a team of veterans needs someone who is tough on them. Lou's style didn't work with a bunch of young guys in their early 20's, but it will definatly work in the Bronx


I don't know if it'll work with veterans. Managers and coaches are hired to be fired and the Yankees probably need to change it up just to change the atmosphere.

ckb2001
10-08-2006, 06:38 PM
This is just a question, not trolling, but exactly how much influence does a manager have in baseball? I can see how a batting coach or pitching coach could influence things, but a manager during the game?

From an offensive point of view, it really looks highly individualistic (the batter), and from a defensive side it looks like one could program the changes based on stats.

There just seems to be much less thinking necessary during the game than say in football. Well, I don't know much about this, so as I said I'm just asking.

MikeO
10-08-2006, 06:38 PM
willie was offered the Cincy job so I don't know how much of a token he was. he declined b/c they offered him so little money.

they offered him so little money knowing he wouldn't take it. The offer was laughable!

It was insulting to everyone involved.

Boik14
10-08-2006, 07:41 PM
Sorry if this was in the Yankees thread. I looked thru the last three pages and didn't see it. I'll merge if I missed.

Anyway, SportsCenter....citing the NY Daily News....says King George is expected to fire Yankees manager Joe Torre and replace him with Lou Pinella.

Just passing it along. I just saw this and the Yankees must be out of their damn minds. George must have gone senile or stupid (one or the other..maybe both). Pinella is a great manager but that staff is just way overrated and it didnt really give torre a fighting chance with a line up full of non playoff performers. Cashman is the one who deserves to get canned. Bring back Bob watson, hes the oen that assembled those yankee teams back in the mid 90's acquiring tino, brosius, boggs, o neill...that was all watson. He and stick michael wer ethe ones who developed bernie, jeets, posada, petitte, mo, etc. They deserve to be in charge but until the yanks look in the direction of those types of players; clutch performers and high impact players who will take walk after walk, they wont win.

nyjunc
10-09-2006, 07:07 AM
they offered him so little money knowing he wouldn't take it. The offer was laughable!

It was insulting to everyone involved.

I still wouldn't call that a token interview, how does Cincy know he wouldn't take it? What if he said screw the money I just want my first chance to be a Mgr and took the job? That's dangerous if he was just a token interview.

djfresh47
10-09-2006, 03:13 PM
I still wouldn't call that a token interview, how does Cincy know he wouldn't take it? What if he said screw the money I just want my first chance to be a Mgr and took the job? That's dangerous if he was just a token interview.

While alot of times minorities are interviewed just to pass the system it can be good for the guy just go get the interview. They really have no opportunity for the job but it does prepare them when they go on a real interview. Didn't the Phins do it with Art Shell before Saban got the job?

Finally the name that I thought we would hear more about is getting some run in Joe Girardi.

RWhitney014
10-09-2006, 03:20 PM
Lou Piniella and George Steinbrenner will be a reality show. It's gonna be fun.

And I don't care how tight Sweet Lou is with A-Rod, there's a very, very slim chance he's back next year. There's nothing he can do to avoid the tabloids. He could go 9-10 with 9 homers in the WS, but if he strikes out in the last AB of the series, he's the scapegoat.

nyjunc
10-09-2006, 03:23 PM
Lou Piniella and George Steinbrenner will be a reality show. It's gonna be fun.

And I don't care how tight Sweet Lou is with A-Rod, there's a very, very slim chance he's back next year. There's nothing he can do to avoid the tabloids. He could go 9-10 with 9 homers in the WS, but if he strikes out in the last AB of the series, he's the scapegoat.

I se people say thins like that all the time but it's not true. People act like ARod has come through alot and that his failures are just magnified, the truth is he's been horrendous for us. If he had SOME success he'd get alot of slack but the man doesn't have an RBi in his last 12 postseason games! That's unbelievable for a guy as talented as he is hitting in a lineup like this.

FinsNYanksFan13
10-09-2006, 10:26 PM
Lou Piniella and George Steinbrenner will be a reality show. It's gonna be fun.

And I don't care how tight Sweet Lou is with A-Rod, there's a very, very slim chance he's back next year. There's nothing he can do to avoid the tabloids. He could go 9-10 with 9 homers in the WS, but if he strikes out in the last AB of the series, he's the scapegoat.


Honestly, the tabloids have got it right when it comes to A-Rod. Your a Marlins fan so I'm going to take it you watch them every night and not the Yankees but if you do happen to watch the Yankees every night like I do then you would know just how unclutch A-Rod is. This is a guy who on at least 8 occasions this season needed a sac fly to get a go ahead or tying run home and struck out on most occasions (or would ground into a double play or do anything but get the run home). The rumor about A-Rod being the anti clutch is real and it doesn't matter if it's a meaningless regular season game or a World Series game, he doesn't ever get it done because he thinks so much at the plate. I was a huuuuuuuuuuuge A-Rod supporter down to the end but at the end of the day, he's got to go. It's just not working here. In Florida or Texas or Seattle, it's OK to be unclutch with 100 RBI's and 40 homers. Here in NY, it's a different story. I mean look at the throwing error A-Rod had in game 4. That runner came home to score. It would have been the third out of the inning had it been a good throw but instead A-Rod opens up the flood gates for another run by the Tigers. There is nothing A-Rod can do to avoid the tabloids because he will never be clutch in NY or anywhere because he doesn't have the stomach for those spots. A-Rod is not a scapegoat, he is a problem. If Torre is fired, that's a scapegoat but A-Rod deserves to be traded and isn't a scapegoat, he deserves all the boo's and criticism he gets. Like I said, you have to be a Yankees fan who watches every game to know why A-Rod is treated the way he is. It has nothing to do with money, it has nothing to do with him being bi-racial or his looks, it has to do with Yankees fans being sick of him coming up in big spots needing the littlest of hits or a sac fly or whatever and failing miserably over and over and over again. A-Rod doesn't have it, not only in NY, he just doesn't have it PERIOD!


As far as this Lou Pinella thing, if the Yankees do fire Joe and hire him, this is a slap in the face to Jeter. It shows the Yankees are catering to A-Rod and trying to do all they can to get him out of his funk. That's a slap in the face to Jeter. This is Jeter's team and if you go out and give A-Rod his manager all your doing is alienating the Captain. Now if the Yankees go out and hire somebody else like Mattingly or Girardi, that's cool with me. If it's Pinella, I think the Yankees are making a mistake. The guys will rebel against Pinella's attitude after it gets to overbearing (which it will). This why Torre fits well, because he know's how to deal with ego's. If the Boss is looking for a scapegoat he needs to look at himself in the mirror. Until this last season the Boss had his nose in all personel decisions and that killed the Yankees because if you look close at it, all the guys the Boss had to have that Cashman wasn't to fond of are the guys who failed. Sheffield, Randy, Wright, and A-Rod are all guys the Boss had to have at any cost. These weren't Cashman or Torre guys, they are the Boss's guys so if the Boss wants to throw anyone under the bus, it should be himself, not Torre!

Ray Finkle
10-09-2006, 10:42 PM
As far as this Lou Pinella thing, if the Yankees do fire Joe and hire him, this is a slap in the face to Jeter. It shows the Yankees are catering to A-Rod and trying to do all they can to get him out of his funk. That's a slap in the face to Jeter. This is Jeter's team and if you go out and give A-Rod his manager all your doing is alienating the Captain.

Good post. I agree with a lot of what you said however you can make the arguement that Jeter, being the captain, has done things to alienate Arod from the rest of the team and never make him feel comfortable in NY. Jeter backed Giambi for cheating but he couldn't back Arod when everyone was killing him? I know it's not his job to say to the fans, lay off Arod for a bit, but isn't that part of being a captain? To help the team on and off the field?

I don't know why hiring Pinella is a slap in Jeter's face, though. Hiring Pinella doesn't mean Arod still stays with the team and even if he does why should Jeter get to make team decisions? I doubt Arod went to management and told them to hire Pinella, nor is Pinella being hired just for Arod. And yes I know Pinella "helped" Arod eariler this year but Pinella was rumored to be the next manager of the Yankees starting in 2004.

djfresh47
10-09-2006, 11:43 PM
Honestly, the tabloids have got it right when it comes to A-Rod. Your a Marlins fan so I'm going to take it you watch them every night and not the Yankees but if you do happen to watch the Yankees every night like I do then you would know just how unclutch A-Rod is. This is a guy who on at least 8 occasions this season needed a sac fly to get a go ahead or tying run home and struck out on most occasions (or would ground into a double play or do anything but get the run home). The rumor about A-Rod being the anti clutch is real and it doesn't matter if it's a meaningless regular season game or a World Series game, he doesn't ever get it done because he thinks so much at the plate. I was a huuuuuuuuuuuge A-Rod supporter down to the end but at the end of the day, he's got to go. It's just not working here. In Florida or Texas or Seattle, it's OK to be unclutch with 100 RBI's and 40 homers. Here in NY, it's a different story. I mean look at the throwing error A-Rod had in game 4. That runner came home to score. It would have been the third out of the inning had it been a good throw but instead A-Rod opens up the flood gates for another run by the Tigers. There is nothing A-Rod can do to avoid the tabloids because he will never be clutch in NY or anywhere because he doesn't have the stomach for those spots. A-Rod is not a scapegoat, he is a problem. If Torre is fired, that's a scapegoat but A-Rod deserves to be traded and isn't a scapegoat, he deserves all the boo's and criticism he gets. Like I said, you have to be a Yankees fan who watches every game to know why A-Rod is treated the way he is. It has nothing to do with money, it has nothing to do with him being bi-racial or his looks, it has to do with Yankees fans being sick of him coming up in big spots needing the littlest of hits or a sac fly or whatever and failing miserably over and over and over again. A-Rod doesn't have it, not only in NY, he just doesn't have it PERIOD!


As far as this Lou Pinella thing, if the Yankees do fire Joe and hire him, this is a slap in the face to Jeter. It shows the Yankees are catering to A-Rod and trying to do all they can to get him out of his funk. That's a slap in the face to Jeter. This is Jeter's team and if you go out and give A-Rod his manager all your doing is alienating the Captain. Now if the Yankees go out and hire somebody else like Mattingly or Girardi, that's cool with me. If it's Pinella, I think the Yankees are making a mistake. The guys will rebel against Pinella's attitude after it gets to overbearing (which it will). This why Torre fits well, because he know's how to deal with ego's. If the Boss is looking for a scapegoat he needs to look at himself in the mirror. Until this last season the Boss had his nose in all personel decisions and that killed the Yankees because if you look close at it, all the guys the Boss had to have that Cashman wasn't to fond of are the guys who failed. Sheffield, Randy, Wright, and A-Rod are all guys the Boss had to have at any cost. These weren't Cashman or Torre guys, they are the Boss's guys so if the Boss wants to throw anyone under the bus, it should be himself, not Torre!


I disagree. Joe Torre has had the best team money can buy for the last 6 seasons and has not gotten it done. Regardless I don't think Joe Torre is a great in-game manager. Guys probably would like to see him stay but somebody has to be held accountable. A-Rod is one of the most talented guys in the game and bringing in Lou is not a move just to cater to A-Rod. I'm not sure how much of an upgrade that Lou is but it would be a change for the Yankees and sometimes that is needed. I believe Torre has one year left on his contract and why go through a season of players constantly being questioned about whether Joe will get another contract which is another distraction. Especially since the two lead candidates are available now and who knows if they'll be available next season?

Ray Finkle
10-09-2006, 11:53 PM
I disagree. Joe Torre has had the best team money can buy for the last 6 seasons and has not gotten it done. Regardless I don't think Joe Torre is a great in-game manager. Guys probably would like to see him stay but somebody has to be held accountable. A-Rod is one of the most talented guys in the game and bringing in Lou is not a move just to cater to A-Rod. I'm not sure how much of an upgrade that Lou is but it would be a change for the Yankees and sometimes that is needed. I believe Torre has one year left on his contract and why go through a season of players constantly being questioned about whether Joe will get another contract which is another distraction. Especially since the two lead candidates are available now and who knows if they'll be available next season?

I don't either. He's a GREAT clubhouse guy no doubt about it (maybe the best) but he's not the best techinical manager in the game. Not taking anything away from Torre but I think just about any manager in the MLB during 1996 to 200 could have won those 4 championships he did because the Yankees were just so talented. Again not a knock on Torre because I like him and respect him a lot.

And you're right he's had a lot of talented teams and came up short the past 6 years in big spots, some of which you can blame him for.

djfresh47
10-10-2006, 12:17 AM
I don't either. He's a GREAT clubhouse guy no doubt about it (maybe the best) but he's not the best techinical manager in the game. Not taking anything away from Torre but I think just about any manager in the MLB during 1996 to 200 could have won those 4 championships he did because the Yankees were just so talented.

And you're right he's had a lot of talented teams and came up short the past 6 years in big spots, some of which you can blame him for.

During the course of 162 games a manager decides very little, IMO. When it is a short series managers can make a difference just by knowing their team and the matchups. Torre is a good clubhouse guy from what i've heard but he still threw A-Rod under the bus with the SI article. Torre got the benefit of the doubt in the past and as an outsider looking in I think it's time the Yankees moved on. The guy was the manager of a team that blew a 3-0 lead in the ALCS and has lost in the 1st rd of the playoffs the last two seasons. Regardless of what they've done in the past their are very vew managers/coaches who could blow a 3-0 lead and then lose in the playoffs in the 1st rd the next two season and keep their job.

Ray Finkle
10-10-2006, 12:25 AM
During the course of 162 games a manager decides very little, IMO. When it is a short series managers can make a difference just by knowing their team and the matchups. Torre is a good clubhouse guy from what i've heard but he still threw A-Rod under the bus with the SI article. Torre got the benefit of the doubt in the past and as an outsider looking in I think it's time the Yankees moved on. The guy was the manager of a team that blew a 3-0 lead in the ALCS and has lost in the 1st rd of the playoffs the last two seasons. Regardless of what they've done in the past their are very vew managers/coaches who could blow a 3-0 lead and then lose in the playoffs in the 1st rd the next two season and keep their job.

Former MLB players told me that a good manager will help the team win 5 games during the regular season and a bad manager will lose the team 5 games. The other 157 are up to the team. However in the playoffs both the manager and the team get exposed. (Although I'm still trying to figure out how Francona was so good in the 2004 playoffs, almost every move the guy made was good).

FinsNYanksFan13
10-10-2006, 12:25 AM
These past 2 seasons Joe Torre has done some of the best jobs he's done in his career with the Yankees. This year he weathered many storms and the Yankees not only won the division, they ran away with it. Last year Torre was missing his whole pitching staff for half the season (Wang, Wright, and Pavano) and still got the Yankees into the playoffs. Lou Pinella would have folded like a little girl in those positions. Lou Pinella might not have had the talent that Joe Torre has had, but let's face it, this isn't Bobby Cox, Tony LaRussa, or Tommy Lasorda, this is a guy who has won 4 division titles in 19 years as a manager (and 1 world series). What, because Lou Pinella yells and acts a fool that makes him a better manager then Joe Torre? You guys, like the boss are looking at Torre as the scapegoat. It's not right no matter how you cut it. The Yankees got screwed when they brought back Matsui and Sheffield and screwed the chemistry of the team up. This Yankees team changed when those 2 came back in the line-up. Instead of waiting for the 3 run homerun like they did the last 2 seasons the 2006 Yankees could run the bases, played smart defense, and HUSTLED. As soon as those 2 came back the team reverted back to it's old ways and this is the reason why they are in the situation they are in (although I love Matsui, don't get it twisted). Joe Torre got stuck because he had to play Sheff and Matsui because of how much money they make. In the end, this shouldn't fall on Joe Torre's head it should fall in the Bosses own head because every guy who failed for the Yankees big time in the post-season WERE ALL HIS IDEA. He personally wanted Jaret Wright (you guys know Cashman isn't that stupid), personally negotiated Gary Sheffield, personally wanted A-Rod (to piss Boston off), and personally wanted Randy Johnson (because he wanted Boston to see they got the 2nd best pitcher from Arizona's title team. We all know who the better pitcher is right now). The Boss needs to continue to let Joe and Cashman work this team back through the farm system, the young guys, and through smart trades and signings. They've had one year to do it so far and it worked solid. None of Torre's and Cash's guys failed, only the Boss's boys did. It's time for the Boss to continue to relax in Tampa and give Cashman and Torre more then 1 year of full charge without his interference to make this team their vision!


JUST SAY NO TO PINELLA!

Ray Finkle
10-10-2006, 12:33 AM
Torre didn't have to play Sheffield or Matsui in the playoffs. It wasn't the money issue, because he sat Sheffield and even Giambi for game each. Torre easily could have sat Sheffield down in the playoffs saying "I'm not comfortable playing Gary on 1st because he lacks the experience and Giambi can't play because of his wrist so Wilson/Phillips will be the 1st baseman, Giambi/Sheffield will DH".

You can't kill Torre for playing Matsui because only him, Jeter and Posada batted over .300.

Torre or Arod shouldn't be the only scapegoats, because the whole team outside of Wang and Rivera stunk. Really the Yankees losing is a team failure.

It might just be a time for a change in NY. Maybe Pinella isn't the answer, maybe he is, maybe someone else is.

MikeO
10-10-2006, 01:08 AM
11 years on 1 job is a loooooooong time.

There have been 91 manager changes since Joe took over in the mid-90's. That comes out to about 3 per team.

Nobody ever thought a manager for the NY YANKEES under George Steinbrenner would last 11 years. Joe did. Joe will get his $7 mill owed to him. Joe won't be prevented from managing somewhere else next year.

It's just time for a change. Is he being made one of the scapegoats....maybe. But oh well. Someone has to take the fall, and someone has to take the first hit. Might as well start at the top!

Boik14
10-10-2006, 01:08 AM
These past 2 seasons Joe Torre has done some of the best jobs he's done in his career with the Yankees. This year he weathered many storms and the Yankees not only won the division, they ran away with it. Last year Torre was missing his whole pitching staff for half the season (Wang, Wright, and Pavano) and still got the Yankees into the playoffs. Lou Pinella would have folded like a little girl in those positions. Lou Pinella might not have had the talent that Joe Torre has had, but let's face it, this isn't Bobby Cox, Tony LaRussa, or Tommy Lasorda, this is a guy who has won 4 division titles in 19 years as a manager (and 1 world series). What, because Lou Pinella yells and acts a fool that makes him a better manager then Joe Torre? You guys, like the boss are looking at Torre as the scapegoat. It's not right no matter how you cut it. The Yankees got screwed when they brought back Matsui and Sheffield and screwed the chemistry of the team up. This Yankees team changed when those 2 came back in the line-up. Instead of waiting for the 3 run homerun like they did the last 2 seasons the 2006 Yankees could run the bases, played smart defense, and HUSTLED. As soon as those 2 came back the team reverted back to it's old ways and this is the reason why they are in the situation they are in (although I love Matsui, don't get it twisted). Joe Torre got stuck because he had to play Sheff and Matsui because of how much money they make. In the end, this shouldn't fall on Joe Torre's head it should fall in the Bosses own head because every guy who failed for the Yankees big time in the post-season WERE ALL HIS IDEA. He personally wanted Jaret Wright (you guys know Cashman isn't that stupid), personally negotiated Gary Sheffield, personally wanted A-Rod (to piss Boston off), and personally wanted Randy Johnson (because he wanted Boston to see they got the 2nd best pitcher from Arizona's title team. We all know who the better pitcher is right now). The Boss needs to continue to let Joe and Cashman work this team back through the farm system, the young guys, and through smart trades and signings. They've had one year to do it so far and it worked solid. None of Torre's and Cash's guys failed, only the Boss's boys did. It's time for the Boss to continue to relax in Tampa and give Cashman and Torre more then 1 year of full charge without his interference to make this team their vision!


JUST SAY NO TO PINELLA! I totally agree with this take. The Boss always goes for the high profile guy but if you look at the 90's NYY teams, the yankees got good when they had baseball men making the decisions like Bob Watson and Stick Michael. Watson worked the trade front and Michael ran the farm. Steinbrenner was suspended during part of that time.

Its proven though that whenever George has gone out and just gotten the gusy he wanted they failed. Mel Hall, jesse Barfield, Ed Whitson, and now you can add more names to the list.

Torre certainly does not deserve to be the fall guy. But ill tell ya what, if for whatever reason he is the fall guy, I hear there's a nice bench coach position available next to willie randolph! :D

MikeO
10-10-2006, 01:10 AM
During the course of 162 games a manager decides very little, IMO. When it is a short series managers can make a difference just by knowing their team and the matchups. Torre is a good clubhouse guy from what i've heard but he still threw A-Rod under the bus with the SI article. Torre got the benefit of the doubt in the past and as an outsider looking in I think it's time the Yankees moved on. The guy was the manager of a team that blew a 3-0 lead in the ALCS and has lost in the 1st rd of the playoffs the last two seasons. Regardless of what they've done in the past their are very vew managers/coaches who could blow a 3-0 lead and then lose in the playoffs in the 1st rd the next two season and keep their job.

Joe threw AROD under the bus by batting him 8th in the lineup on Saturday. That was uncalled for.

Sheff wasn't good enough to play Friday night vs Kenny F'n Rogers......but on Saturday he is good enough to hit 4th??? Look at his postseason stats. They are on the same level as AROD the past few years. And you have AROD who has been there all year, who won the MVP last year......batting 8th.

Total lack of respect and he threw him under the bus!! Joe's emotions got the best of him. Now Joe must take the hit!

MikeO
10-10-2006, 01:14 AM
In 1996 Joe had the balls to stand up to Tino and say, your benched. Im playing Cecil Fielder because right now he's better.

10 years later Joe DIDN'T have the balls to stand up to Sheff and say, your benched I need to play someone else.

That is why Joe will take the hit. On a team filled with SUPERSTARS if Joe can't stand up to them and do whats right, then he must go!

Joe is a good man. He's going to the HALL OF FAME!!! He deserves to be paid the final year of his deal. He has done a great job for 11 years. But he F'd up bigtime in this Detriot series. From Wang, to Sheff, to Mussina in Game 2. Joe has to take the hit on this. He won't be the only one, but he's gotta be one fo the guys taking the hit!

nyjunc
10-10-2006, 06:57 AM
I disagree. Joe Torre has had the best team money can buy for the last 6 seasons and has not gotten it done. Regardless I don't think Joe Torre is a great in-game manager. Guys probably would like to see him stay but somebody has to be held accountable. A-Rod is one of the most talented guys in the game and bringing in Lou is not a move just to cater to A-Rod. I'm not sure how much of an upgrade that Lou is but it would be a change for the Yankees and sometimes that is needed. I believe Torre has one year left on his contract and why go through a season of players constantly being questioned about whether Joe will get another contract which is another distraction. Especially since the two lead candidates are available now and who knows if they'll be available next season?

He's had the most expensive team but not the best. In '01 and '03 we had excellent pitching and coincidentally we made the WS each time but ran into better and hotter pitchers in the WS. The other years the pitching wasn't great and our bats went cold. What is Torre supposed to do about that?


In 1996 Joe had the balls to stand up to Tino and say, your benched. Im playing Cecil Fielder because right now he's better.

10 years later Joe DIDN'T have the balls to stand up to Sheff and say, your benched I need to play someone else.


Actually he did, he sat him in Game 2 then Giambi in game 3. the problem is neither Sheff or Matsui earned their jobs back and neither should have been playing.

UCFinfan86
10-10-2006, 08:33 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2618683

Looks like george is keeping torre, for now. I really don't understand how you can keep torre now, after everyone thought he was gone and alot of people are/were using him as sort of a scapegoat. I still believe he will be canned.

MikeO
10-10-2006, 09:14 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2618683

Looks like george is keeping torre, for now. I really don't understand how you can keep torre now, after everyone thought he was gone and alot of people are/were using him as sort of a scapegoat. I still believe he will be canned.

he might be waiting to make the decision until its a big day for the Mets. To steal the backpages from them.

Just something to consider.

Who knows!

UCFinfan86
10-10-2006, 09:55 AM
that is true, i didn't consider that. That would be a good way to steal the headline from the mets

FinsNYanksFan13
10-10-2006, 10:36 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2618683

Looks like george is keeping torre, for now. I really don't understand how you can keep torre now, after everyone thought he was gone and alot of people are/were using him as sort of a scapegoat. I still believe he will be canned.


Uh, maybe he's keeping him because he's won 4 World Series, been to 6, and has won 9 straight division titles and been to the playoffs 11 years out of 11. That's a pretty good reason to keep a manager, don't you think?

UCFinfan86
10-10-2006, 10:42 AM
Uh, maybe he's keeping him because he's won 4 World Series, been to 6, and has won 9 straight division titles and been to the playoffs 11 years out of 11. That's a pretty good reason to keep a manager, don't you think?

ok i wasn't talking about his accomplishments, :shakeno: i never thought he should have gotten rid of him in the first place. But when every sports channel and media outlet is saying torre is fired and multiple sources pretty much confirmed that he was fired and now your going to say your not firing him?

FinsNYanksFan13
10-10-2006, 10:48 AM
ok i wasn't talking about his accomplishments, :shakeno: i never thought he should have gotten rid of him in the first place. But when every sports channel and media outlet is saying torre is fired and multiple sources pretty much confirmed that he was fired and now your going to say your not firing him?


Well he still may be fired but hopefull he isn't and the Boss was just reacting emotionally and not with his thoughts. Seriously, I stated this above and I will again.....the Bosses guys failed. I know it's going to be tough for him to admit that but it's the truth. Hopefully he's realized that and has realized that Cashman and Torre have this boat headed in the right direction and hopefully the Boss gives them more then one year to make their visions a reality!

UCFinfan86
10-10-2006, 10:52 AM
Well he still may be fired but hopefull he isn't and the Boss was just reacting emotionally and not with his thoughts. Seriously, I stated this above and I will again.....the Bosses guys failed. I know it's going to be tough for him to admit that but it's the truth. Hopefully he's realized that and has realized that Cashman and Torre have this boat headed in the right direction and hopefully the Boss gives them more then one year to make their visions a reality!

He will never admit it publicly and i doubt that he think its his fault. I think if the yankees don't win george thinks someone must of ****ed up, so he has to find someone and replace them, and i guess the easiest choice this year is torre. Although i agree in reality it was his, but he will never admit that.

MikeO
10-10-2006, 11:36 AM
Uh, maybe he's keeping him because he's won 4 World Series, been to 6, and has won 9 straight division titles and been to the playoffs 11 years out of 11. That's a pretty good reason to keep a manager, don't you think?

or maybe they want AROD gone. They feel moving AROD is the only way to get a good young pitcher. And by bringing in Lou.......AROD probably stays.

So, keep Joe for the final year of his contract.......trade AROD.

Then you can get Lou a year from now

unifiedtheory
10-10-2006, 11:38 AM
or maybe they want AROD gone. They feel moving AROD is the only way to get a good young pitcher. And by bringing in Lou.......AROD probably stays.

So, keep Joe for the final year of his contract.......trade AROD.

Then you can get Lou a year from now
It's looking like that (trading A-Rod and keeping Joe) is going to happen.

It's early but I see A-Rod in Anaheim next year and I DO NOT like that at ALL. He'll be relaxed and right back to .320, 40+ HR, 130 RBI and give the Angels the bat they need.

MikeO
10-10-2006, 11:40 AM
It's looking like that (trading A-Rod and keeping Joe) is going to happen.

It's early but I see A-Rod in Anaheim next year and I DO NOT like that at ALL. He'll be relaxed and right back to .320, 40+ HR, 130 RBI and give the Angels the bat they need.

Before NY goes to LAA.........they are going to try and move him to EVERY NL team. NY will want him out of the AL if they can.

If not, then LA is the most likely AL team. They need a big bat. They need someone for 3B. They have the young arms and Figgins (who can play 3B for NY). It makes sense. But NY will try with every NL team first.

UCFinfan86
10-10-2006, 11:45 AM
Mikeo do you think that if Lou doesn't get the NY job this year, he will sign with another team this season??

MikeO
10-10-2006, 11:53 AM
Mikeo do you think that if Lou doesn't get the NY job this year, he will sign with another team this season??

If a team pays him enough.

Philly is a possibility

Cubs (if they sour on Girardi for some reason) could be a possibilty.

But for him to manage, the money must be right.

UCFinfan86
10-10-2006, 11:54 AM
i didn't think about philly, chicago was the only team that came to my mind. I don't think lou would wait a year just for NY becasue if the yankees win the WS next year, which could easily happen, torre will keep his job for atleast the next few years, or until he retired.

Motion
10-10-2006, 11:55 AM
Rumor has it, the Padres could be interested in ARod.


Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, a 31-year-old who has hit 464 home runs, could be dealt because of apparent problems coping with New York pressures. He is guaranteed $98 million from 2007 through 2010, and it's reasonable to conclude that he would find San Diego more relaxing than the Bronx. Count on the Padres being among several clubs linked to a potential Rodriguez trade (http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20061010/news_1s10padres.html), but Kevin Towers said, “I think what's out there is pure speculation.”

UCFinfan86
10-10-2006, 11:57 AM
The padres could really use his bat, but who do they have to trade?? I doubt Peavy is going anywhere. Chris Young is a nice young pitcher, but you would need alot more in the deal. Maybe Adrian Gonzalez as well, but you would still need anohter major piece

MikeO
10-10-2006, 11:57 AM
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/10/SPGEULLOJQ1.DTL

SF interested in Pinella

Lou has already turned down Wash

MikeO
10-10-2006, 11:58 AM
The padres could really use his bat, but who do they have to trade?? I doubt Peavy is going anywhere. Chris Young is a nice young pitcher, but you would need alot more in the deal. Maybe Adrian Gonzalez as well, but you would still need anohter major piece

There was talk of Peavy being traded to Boston. I could see them moving Jake.


Jake had a bad year this year, but many think its because of that stupid WBC and he never had the correct spring training.

MikeO
10-10-2006, 11:59 AM
i didn't think about philly, chicago was the only team that came to my mind. I don't think lou would wait a year just for NY becasue if the yankees win the WS next year, which could easily happen, torre will keep his job for atleast the next few years, or until he retired.

I think if joe stays, after this year he will retire.

I mean 4 rings.....he has nothing left to prove. He isn't a young kid. He can go home count his money and live a good life!

UCFinfan86
10-10-2006, 12:01 PM
There was talk of Peavy being traded to Boston. I could see them moving Jake.


Jake had a bad year this year, but many think its because of that stupid WBC and he never had the correct spring training.

If the Padres traded Jake, that would be a very stupid move imo. He is the anchor of that staff(and just about any staff in baseball in a normal year). Without peavy who would they count on? Woody Williams? Chris Young is the only one worth anything. David Wells will proably retire. You can't count on anything from Chan Ho Park.

UCFinfan86
10-10-2006, 12:01 PM
I think if joe stays, after this year he will retire.

I mean 4 rings.....he has nothing left to prove. He isn't a young kid. He can go home count his money and live a good life!

leaving on top would make sense for him

MikeO
10-10-2006, 12:02 PM
If the Padres traded Jake, that would be a very stupid move imo. He is the anchor of that staff(and just about any staff in baseball in a normal year). Without peavy who would they count on? Woody Williams? Chris Young is the only one worth anything. David Wells will proably retire. You can't count on anything from Chan Ho Park.

Yeah but its AROD. One of the Top 2 all around players in the sport!!!!

Plus AROD would sell tickets. He moves product!!! Peavy only pitches once every 5 days and half of those are on the road!! This is a business people. Never forget that!

MikeO
10-10-2006, 12:03 PM
Plus SD could trade for AROD then so sign Zito.

UCFinfan86
10-10-2006, 12:05 PM
Yeah but its AROD. One of the Top 2 all around players in the sport!!!!

Plus AROD would sell tickets. He moves product!!! Peavy only pitches once every 5 days and half of those are on the road!! This is a business people. Never forget that!

For a business move it would be smart, for a baseball move not so much. Pitching > Hitting every day of the week. I guess it just depends on which one SD prefers, they haven't had a icon their since Gywnn back in what? 2000 or 2001.

I really doubt he goes to SD though, that is a toguh park to hit in plus i dont really think they have the pieces other then peavy(and i don't believe he will be traded)

UCFinfan86
10-10-2006, 12:07 PM
Plus SD could trade for AROD then so sign Zito.

Zito would fit nicely in that park, but could they afford both?? How much does Peavy make?

MikeO
10-10-2006, 12:10 PM
also SD might know something about Peavy nobody else does.

Maybe the WBC didn't F' him up this year and maybe it was something else. Who knows.

unifiedtheory
10-10-2006, 12:10 PM
Plus SD could trade for AROD then so sign Zito.

I'm fully convinced that if the Padres throw legit money at Zito he will stay on the West Coast.

Trading Peavy (and others) for A-Rod and signing Zito would be a pretty good offseason.

MikeO
10-10-2006, 12:11 PM
I'm fully convinced that if the Padres throw legit money at Zito he will stay on the West Coast.

Trading Peavy (and others) for A-Rod and signing Zito would be a pretty good offseason.

ZIto's old pitching coach is the pitching coach for the Mets. Don't forget that.

It will come down to $$$$$$ in the end.

UCFinfan86
10-10-2006, 12:14 PM
ZIto's old pitching coach is the pitching coach for the Mets. Don't forget that.

It will come down to $$$$$$ in the end.

Didn't Zito say he didn't want to go to NY or was it that both NY teams said they weren't interested?

UCFinfan86
10-10-2006, 12:14 PM
I really like Peavy and as a redsox fan i hope the yankees don't get him.

MikeO
10-10-2006, 01:04 PM
Didn't Zito say he didn't want to go to NY or was it that both NY teams said they weren't interested?

neither NY team is allowed to say anything or else its tampering!

And if Zito said anything he's a moron cause he just shot is market value down by not having EITEHR NY team throw him an offer

MikeO
10-10-2006, 01:15 PM
YES Network just reported that Joe Torre staying proves my point I made earlier in the baseball season (I am sure its archived here somewhere). That is GEORGE STEINBRENNER isn't running anything anymore.

Day the Yanks are eliminated George runs his mouth and says Joe is gonna fired, Lou is hired. Called his very close friend Bill Madden of the Daily News and told him that. Less than 3 days later, Joe is staying.

Look, I will say this nicely.........George is an old man. His memory isn't strong anymore according to people close to him. While he isn't senile or on the brink of alzhtimers....he is slowly moving in that direction. And while he is the "figure-head" of the franchise and technically the "owner"........the Cashman's , Swindle's, and Levine's are running the show!!!!

George is an older guy, we all have family members that age. We will all be there someday. You respect them, but some decisions you just don't let them make. George is the owner, but he isn't the decision maker anymore.

Now, I would have fired Torre. But that's just my opinion. The fact he is staying I have no problem with really. I would have liked to move in another direction. But so be it. It didn't happen.

Motion
10-10-2006, 02:07 PM
So let's see a TOP 3 Replacement Candidates list from the Yanks fans.....(Assuming Torre eventually does get the boot)

MikeO
10-10-2006, 02:15 PM
So let's see a TOP 3 Replacement Candidates list from the Yanks fans.....(Assuming Torre eventually does get the boot)

If Lou is out of the picture (as it looks like he will be)

There is only 1 guy. Don Mattingly. He is the "apprentice" currently. He is being groomed for it. If 2007 is Joe's last year, then 2008 its Donnie Baseball!

Motion
10-10-2006, 02:22 PM
If Lou is out of the picture (as it looks like he will be)

There is only 1 guy. Don Mattingly. He is the "apprentice" currently. He is being groomed for it. If 2007 is Joe's last year, then 2008 its Donnie Baseball!

Good idea, I didn't even think of that. I was thinking Girardi.

Motion
10-10-2006, 02:23 PM
Torre will not be Fired, Has Steinbrenner's Support (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2619564)

Well thats a quick change.

Roman529
10-10-2006, 03:27 PM
Joe Torre is staying. The Yanks always tighten up come playoff time....too much pressure....especially for A-Rod. I see A-Rod going to the California Angels or the Dodgers, where he can be low keyed and laid back.

Motion
10-10-2006, 03:40 PM
Joe Torre is staying. The Yanks always tighten up come playoff time....too much pressure....especially for A-Rod. I see A-Rod going to the California Angels or the Dodgers, where he can be low keyed and laid back.

In exchange for at least 2 real good young pitchers hopefully. :D

dob72
10-10-2006, 03:50 PM
stop trolling the Yankees forum...if you want to talk smack save it for the depths...

Motion
10-10-2006, 04:25 PM
Here we go........


Someone has a serious obsession.

FinsNYanksFan13
10-10-2006, 06:35 PM
stop trolling the Yankees forum...if you want to talk smack save it for the depths...

Punctuation, try to learn how to use it. This is how you spell Humiliated. Not with 2 L's!

MikeO
10-10-2006, 11:47 PM
just BAN this guy already. He is trolling. His avatar shows his obession on this.

How many slaps on the wrist will he get???

RWhitney014
10-10-2006, 11:58 PM
I think it's funny that the Yankees are run by a guy named Cashman and a guy named Swindle.

dob72
10-11-2006, 12:15 AM
stop trolling the Yankees forum...if you want to talk smack save it for the depths...
um how was that even so called trolling what a joke people get away with way more on here only reason you even care is cuz mikeo is a crybaby and cryed to the mods on here

FinsNYanksFan13
10-11-2006, 12:34 AM
um how was that even so called trolling what a joke people get away with way more on here only reason you even care is cuz mikeo is a crybaby and cryed to the mods on here


Dude seriously, before we can take you seriously, learn how to use punctuation and learn how to spell. I don't mind the jokes, I just wish I could read them properly. Back to elementary school for you!

dob72
10-11-2006, 12:40 AM
:boohoo:
You just don't get it, do you. Take a week to figure it out. There won't be a next time.