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finswin56
10-16-2006, 04:12 PM
No link yet, but ESPN radio just announced it.
I don't know enough about the situation in Oakland, but after winning their first post season in forever, it seems a bit rash to me.

My bet is Girardi will replace him.

Here's the link http://x.go.com/cgi/x.pl?goto=http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2628358&name=FPT-2628358-101617&srvc=sz

DonShula84
10-16-2006, 05:48 PM
I'm hoping they dont get Girardi, but I have to say I dont really understand this move. I need unified to explain this one

Ray Finkle
10-16-2006, 05:50 PM
I'm hoping they dont get Girardi, but I have to say I dont really understand this move. I need unified to explain this one

The experts think Ron Washington (current 3rd base coach) will get the job. Apparently they don't think Girardi and Beane could work together.

dominizzo
10-16-2006, 06:02 PM
Why would oakland Fire macha he had great years in Oakland

unifiedtheory
10-16-2006, 06:55 PM
This surprises me and doesn't surprise me at the same time if that is possible.

According to an article in a San Francisco paper, Billy Beane and Macha had had a poor working relationship for awhile. Macha was not what you'd call a "player's manager". He really didn't have much of a relationship with the players at all to be honest from what I've read.

Macha had a nice little run in Oakland and I think when Beane watched the team go down in flames in the ALCS he needed someone to hang. Anyone that has read "Moneyball" knows that Beane is not exactly the calmest guy. His temper can get the best of him, remember, he basically fired Macha after last year but brought him back anyway. I think he is just finishing the job he wanted to do.

Ron Washington is easily the front runner for the job. He's been interviewed countless times by other teams and I think Beane will finally give him a shot. If Ron does get the job we could see a slight change in the A's. Ron likes the running game. I don't see the A's becoming the 80's Cardinals but they could maybe do some more hit and runs and maybe set some guys in motion on the bases.

Then again, Beane could plant his foot in Washington's *** and tell him "if you run your'e fired." :lol:

Ken Rosenthal has mentioned Orel Hershiser, Rockies bench coach Jamie Quirk, Yankees third base coach Larry Bowa and A's bench coach Bob Geren as other guys Beane will look at...

I think the change is for the better. I've never liked how Macha used the bullpen (he's overworked Duch for 2 years and he is too quick with the hook with the starters) or how he has managed injured players (he hung Bobby Crosby out to dry this year when it was plain as day for weeks that he was not right).

A fresh approach will be good.

maddendude
10-16-2006, 07:17 PM
Im an A's fan and I nvr really cared about Macha. He was never that good, he just does what Beane tells him....well he has to.

finswin56
10-16-2006, 08:14 PM
Thanks for info Unified :up:

MikeO
10-16-2006, 11:35 PM
Dusty Baker coached SF in the bay area for years and he is on the market

MikeO
10-16-2006, 11:36 PM
Oakland who pays no players and is on a tight budget who lets every FA player walk......will now pay 2 managers for 2 seaons!!!

I don't get it. These teams cry poverty then do stuff like this and wonder why they can't turn a profit. He took you to the ALCS!!!! it isnt like the guy wasn't winning.

FinsNYanksFan13
10-16-2006, 11:38 PM
Dusty Baker coached SF in the bay area for years and he is on the market



Dusty's has managed for 14 years in a row and had a real rough season. He needs to take a year or two to re-energize his battery and then should return. He should go into TV this season and start looking at jobs next year!

Boik14
10-16-2006, 11:42 PM
Any change in offensive philosophy will help Oakland. The last few years the offense has simply disappeared in the postseason because they dont have the boppers and they dont generate offense with the small ball game. They some speed, some hit and run guys to generate more offense cause the moneyball thing hasnt worked during the playoffs for a few years now.

Boik14
10-16-2006, 11:43 PM
Dusty Baker coached SF in the bay area for years and he is on the market Um would you let Dusty Baker handle your pitching staff? Didnt think so. Hes not good. Never has been. The reason those SF teams were good were cause of Barry, Kent and Schmidt. All Baker needed to do was fill out the lineup card.

unifiedtheory
10-17-2006, 12:27 AM
Oakland who pays no players and is on a tight budget who lets every FA player walk......will now pay 2 managers for 2 seaons!!!

I don't get it. These teams cry poverty then do stuff like this and wonder why they can't turn a profit. He took you to the ALCS!!!! it isnt like the guy wasn't winning.
By your reasoning, no team that is on a tight budget is allowed to fire anyone until their conrtact runs out?:sidelol::sidelol::sidelol::sidelol::sidelol:

They do what small market teams have to do. They sign their young players to contracts that knock a few years off their free agent status and then when they are going to hit it big they let them leave and get the draft pick compensation and start all over again. They are what EVERY small market team wants to be.

They'll be signing Dan Haren, Swisher, Street and Blanton to long term deals this off season. They signed Harden last winter.

Yes, they let their free agents walk, not every team can have $100 million dollar payrolls playing in the WORST ball park in the league in an over saturated Bay-Area market. They turn a small profit every year which in my opinion is allowed, even when you have a lower tier payroll.

Letting Giambi walk turned out fine. Letting Tejada walk turned out great. Jermaine Dye wasn't the same guy when they let him walk, Damon was never going to be resigned. I really don't see the issue with keeping your team young and cheap because you HAVE to...

Hey, I'd LOVE to see the A's leave Oakland. Move them to Vegas or San Jose...I don't care. Just get a new ballpark and keep the name.

I think this is a good move. Change the atmosphere in the clubhouse. Beane and MAcha have not gotten along for 2 years (according to what I read) and Beane wins that battle every day of the week.

unifiedtheory
10-17-2006, 12:29 AM
Um would you let Dusty Baker handle your pitching staff? Didnt think so. Hes not good. Never has been. The reason those SF teams were good were cause of Barry, Kent and Schmidt. All Baker needed to do was fill out the lineup card.

No way in hell does Beane let a guy like Baker handle Haren, Harden, Blanton and Street. He'd set the franchise back 10 years if he got the gig.

I think Ron Washington gets the job but if Beane wants to REALLY change things he might bring in Larry Bowa.

Boik14
10-17-2006, 01:20 AM
No way in hell does Beane let a guy like Baker handle Haren, Harden, Blanton and Street. He'd set the franchise back 10 years if he got the gig.

I think Ron Washington gets the job but if Beane wants to REALLY change things he might bring in Larry Bowa. No Gm with a conscious mind lets baker within 1000000 yards of their pitchers. I agree beane isnt going that route. Its going to be washington as the front runner with maybe guys like Girardi, Manny Acta (NYM 3b coach whos been interviewed by a few teams), and other unknowns bringing up the rear.

djfresh47
10-18-2006, 06:40 PM
Any change in offensive philosophy will help Oakland. The last few years the offense has simply disappeared in the postseason because they dont have the boppers and they dont generate offense with the small ball game. They some speed, some hit and run guys to generate more offense cause the moneyball thing hasnt worked during the playoffs for a few years now.

I disagree. If they change philosophy I don't know how good they will be during the regular season. I posted this in a different thread but Beane creates a team to win over 162 games. They got beat by a team that seemingly caught fire in game 2 of the ALDS. They're probably going to lose Zito but then Harden will step into the 1 spot in the rotation if he stays healthy. Billy Beane likes a manager he can control according to MoneyBall. The A's have been in the playoffs because of Beane and I don't think they can afford to change philosophy.

FinsNYanksFan13
10-18-2006, 06:43 PM
I thought that if Macha was fired he would have been a good fit with the Marlins (obviously it's not going to happen). The writing was on the wall that he wouldn't last long in Oakland and I was surprised he came back last year after they let him go!

Ray Finkle
10-18-2006, 07:09 PM
I thought that if Macha was fired he would have been a good fit with the Marlins (obviously it's not going to happen). The writing was on the wall that he wouldn't last long in Oakland and I was surprised he came back last year after they let him go!

Well he did have about 3 million reasons to stay....

RWhitney014
10-18-2006, 07:51 PM
The only thing that makes sense is to hire Ron Washington. The guy is a very good coach, and if they don't promote him, he's leaving. That is the only reason for them to fire Macha, to keep Washington around. Otherwise, I see the Rangers snaring him.

MikeO
10-19-2006, 12:27 AM
Peter Gammons on WFAN today had the best insider news about the A's and Billy Beane. Saying Billy isn't around much if at all these days. He went to the WORLD CUP this past summer and spent a bunch of time in Germany. He likes to take his dog for lots of walks (no joke, seriously...). And he makes his assistant do the majority of his work while he stays away from the team for the most part.
http://wfan.com/homepage/local_audioclip_291174710.html

Friggin hillarious!!!!!!!!!!!!

unifiedtheory
10-19-2006, 12:42 AM
Peter Gammons on WFAN today had the best insider news about the A's and Billy Beane. Saying Billy isn't around much if at all these days. He went to the WORLD CUP this past summer and spent a bunch of time in Germany. He likes to take his dog for lots of walks (no joke, seriously...). And he makes his assistant do the majority of his work while he stays away from the team for the most part.
http://wfan.com/homepage/local_audioclip_291174710.html

Friggin hillarious!!!!!!!!!!!!

BREAKING NEWS...

If anyone read "Moneyball" they would know that Beane is actually an outsider. He NEVER watches games....EVER. He works out or drives around in his car or goes and does something else....anything BUT watch the game. Him going to Germany for a month in the summer does not surprise me in the least. They have the internet and phones over their to...he can keep as up to date on the team there as he can doing what he always did...

He's always let his assistants do the leg work but EVERY call in the organization baseball wise is decided by Beane.

Boik14
10-19-2006, 03:03 AM
I disagree. If they change philosophy I don't know how good they will be during the regular season. I posted this in a different thread but Beane creates a team to win over 162 games. They got beat by a team that seemingly caught fire in game 2 of the ALDS. They're probably going to lose Zito but then Harden will step into the 1 spot in the rotation if he stays healthy. Billy Beane likes a manager he can control according to MoneyBall. The A's have been in the playoffs because of Beane and I don't think they can afford to change philosophy. true but their philosophy has been a dismal failure in the playoffs. SO yeah it keeps a low budget team competing but hes got to tweak it to add more pop and speed to the lineup cause its ridiculous to ask your hitters to string together 3 straight hits to get a run across when you know in the playoffs you only face a teams 1-2-3 guys generally. And usually those playoff teams have the best pitching, with a few exceptiosn (ahem, mets :) ).

MikeO
10-19-2006, 11:41 AM
BREAKING NEWS...

If anyone read "Moneyball" they would know that Beane is actually an outsider. He NEVER watches games....EVER. He works out or drives around in his car or goes and does something else....anything BUT watch the game. Him going to Germany for a month in the summer does not surprise me in the least. They have the internet and phones over their to...he can keep as up to date on the team there as he can doing what he always did...

He's always let his assistants do the leg work but EVERY call in the organization baseball wise is decided by Beane.

Im sorry, I don't think many owners want their GM's going over to Germany for a month in late June/July with the trading deadline only weeks/days away. But if Oakland gives him the ok, then so be it. I just don't see the "genius" behind that logic

And I also don't want a GM that doesn't watch games. Call me crazy!!

tylerdolphin
10-19-2006, 04:23 PM
BREAKING NEWS...

If anyone read "Moneyball" they would know that Beane is actually an outsider. He NEVER watches games....EVER. He works out or drives around in his car or goes and does something else....anything BUT watch the game. Him going to Germany for a month in the summer does not surprise me in the least. They have the internet and phones over their to...he can keep as up to date on the team there as he can doing what he always did...

He's always let his assistants do the leg work but EVERY call in the organization baseball wise is decided by Beane.
Not dissing what Beane has done, but how can you evaluate players without watching them? Stats dont tell everything. It seems weird that he wouldnt watch at all...

djfresh47
10-19-2006, 07:10 PM
Not dissing what Beane has done, but how can you evaluate players without watching them? Stats dont tell everything. It seems weird that he wouldnt watch at all...

With the A's being a low budget team competing every year what's wrong with his philosophy? From reading Moneyball I came away thinking that Beane's philosophy is that other GM's get corrupted watching players. It is repeated throughout the book that "he's not selling jeans," so he doesn't care about the physique of a player just if they can produce. The A's probably will lose Zito but if they get a healthy Harden all season then I think they'll be fine. Also I think alot of people are forgetting the A's were missing their middle infield vs the Tigers. If a team spends money like the White Sox/Angels/Red Sox/Yankees and is a failure in the postseason I can see criticizing. When a small market team like the Twins or A's fail in the postseason it's an accomplishment for them to get there.

unifiedtheory
10-19-2006, 09:28 PM
Im sorry, I don't think many owners want their GM's going over to Germany for a month in late June/July with the trading deadline only weeks/days away. But if Oakland gives him the ok, then so be it. I just don't see the "genius" behind that logic

And I also don't want a GM that doesn't watch games. Call me crazy!!

I don't think Wolff is gonna run out and fire Billy Beane. If he did it would be the worst move that an owner has made in a LONG time. You might argue with his "lack of playoff results" or that his teams "rollover and play dead in the playoffs" but you can NOT argue with the results Billy Beane has achieved in that market in the time he has been there. Without him the A's are the Pirates without the spiffy new ballpark.

When I found out he never watched the games I thought it was rediculous but hey, to each his own. It works for him.

unifiedtheory
10-19-2006, 09:34 PM
true but their philosophy has been a dismal failure in the playoffs. SO yeah it keeps a low budget team competing but hes got to tweak it to add more pop and speed to the lineup cause its ridiculous to ask your hitters to string together 3 straight hits to get a run across when you know in the playoffs you only face a teams 1-2-3 guys generally. And usually those playoff teams have the best pitching, with a few exceptiosn (ahem, mets :) ).

You don't understand. For the A's to GET to the playoffs goes against everything that the financial structure of baseball stands for...

As for adding "pop and speed" to the lineup, Beane said it perfectly in "Moneyball". Speed is expensive and it is an area they can not afford to worry about.

The A's have a very small margin of error. They choose to build a team around young pitching, getting walks and scoring just enough to support the pitching. They don't have the budget to have a complete team. I'd rather see them be speed deficient then pitching deficient.

unifiedtheory
10-19-2006, 09:35 PM
With the A's being a low budget team competing every year what's wrong with his philosophy? From reading Moneyball I came away thinking that Beane's philosophy is that other GM's get corrupted watching players. It is repeated throughout the book that "he's not selling jeans," so he doesn't care about the physique of a player just if they can produce. The A's probably will lose Zito but if they get a healthy Harden all season then I think they'll be fine. Also I think alot of people are forgetting the A's were missing their middle infield vs the Tigers. If a team spends money like the White Sox/Angels/Red Sox/Yankees and is a failure in the postseason I can see criticizing. When a small market team like the Twins or A's fail in the postseason it's an accomplishment for them to get there.

Well said.