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t2thejz
05-06-2003, 07:17 PM
do any of you guys listning to this guy.I know tons of you will bash him. I beg you not to bash him in this thread i just want to know the people who do listen to him. Thanx:chuckle:

Barbarian
05-07-2003, 08:28 AM
Nope, I don't listen to him, I prefer to think for myself.

PhinPhan1227
05-07-2003, 09:28 AM
He's entertaining in a somewhat clownish way...but he's a bit too over the top for me to listen to him for any length of time...ditto Neal Rogers

Marino1983
05-07-2003, 08:31 PM
Originally posted by PhinPhan1227
He's entertaining in a somewhat clownish way...but he's a bit too over the top for me to listen to him for any length of time...ditto Neal Rogers

LOL If you think opinionated - right wing- self righteous- religious zealots B-S is entertaining then I guess you could consider "LOWBALL" entertaining !!!!:huh: :yikes: :rolleyes2 Marino1983

PhinPhan1227
05-08-2003, 10:20 AM
Originally posted by Marino1983


LOL If you think opinionated - right wing- self righteous- religious zealots B-S is entertaining then I guess you could consider "LOWBALL" entertaining !!!!:huh: :yikes: :rolleyes2 Marino1983

In small amounts...sure it's entertaining. The same way that opinionated-left wing-self righteous-socialist zealots-BS is entertaining in small doses. It's the comedy of idiocy.

baccarat
05-09-2003, 08:12 PM
I'm not much if a radio listner but if I were I still wouldn't listen to Limbaugh. I don't agree w/ a lot of what he says and IMO he's too narrow minded in most areas for my tastes.

themole
05-11-2003, 11:25 PM
Yea...I listen to him and enjoy a lot of what he has to say...but I get most of my news from the John Burch Society.:evil:

Seriously...he's only an entertainer towing the line for NeoConservatism. I prefer the old rightwing conservatism where our borders are protected and the Constitution is held inviolate.

dolfan06
05-12-2003, 12:47 AM
Originally posted by themole
Yea...I listen to him and enjoy a lot of what he has to say...but I get most of my news from the John Burch Society.:evil:

Seriously...he's only an entertainer towing the line for NeoConservatism. I prefer the old rightwing conservatism where our borders are protected and the Constitution is held inviolate. thats the ticket, i don't agree with what they stand for but they should let the KKK watch our borders!:D

themole
05-12-2003, 05:19 PM
Originally posted by dolfan06
thats the ticket, i don't agree with what they stand for but they should let the KKK watch our borders!:D

What's up 06? I don't know about the KKK they's some bad boys.

I think that organization started off with good intentions keeping the carpetbaggers at bay after the war of Northern aggression... But they've been off the chain for over a hundred years which leads one to believe they aren't gonna ever get it right.

It's the U.S. govments and States job to secure our borders. I say let's make them do it.:D

honey
05-12-2003, 08:05 PM
I like Rush. In small increments. Sometimes he gets too shrill to listen to, but usually he does make good points.

For everyone who does NOT like him - I also listen to public radio. :D

upstart
05-12-2003, 10:26 PM
If I can't listen to Rush at work...I can listen to him 24/7 on -line
with 1/2 my brain tighed behind my back:D
and a cold Bud in my hand

dolfan06
05-12-2003, 11:16 PM
Originally posted by themole


What's up 06? I don't know about the KKK they's some bad boys.

i know, that way these clowns would cross over ONCE!;)

t2thejz
05-13-2003, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by donshula
If I can't listen to Rush at work...I can listen to him 24/7 on -line
with 1/2 my brain tighed behind my back:D
and a cold Bud in my hand Did you listen to him about 2 weeks ago because there was a teacher on and he could be fired because his teaching was one sided, all the way to the left and i was wondering if anyone listened to that because he is from my school.

themole
05-13-2003, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by t2thejz
Did you listen to him about 2 weeks ago because there was a teacher on and he could be fired because his teaching was one sided, all the way to the left and i was wondering if anyone listened to that because he is from my school.

Hey T! If the teach is a Commie fire him. No great loss.:evil:

t2thejz
05-13-2003, 04:26 PM
He should be fired he has stickers all over his room prtesting the war he has a sticker that says impeach bush. He calls the the adminestration criminals, its pathetic what he is teaching. He is a HISTORY TEACHER! He should be fired, he is lucky im not one of his students.

themole
05-13-2003, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by Marino1983


LOL If you think opinionated - right wing- self righteous- religious zealots B-S is entertaining then I guess you could consider "LOWBALL" entertaining !!!!:huh: :yikes: :rolleyes2 Marino1983

:evil: Come on M83...You know deep down you're a John Burcher. Think Right...think Might!:rofl: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Themole:biggrin:

themole
05-13-2003, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by t2thejz
He should be fired he has stickers all over his room prtesting the war he has a sticker that says impeach bush. He calls the the adminestration criminals, its pathetic what he is teaching. He is a HISTORY TEACHER! He should be fired, he is lucky im not one of his students.

It's not Baghdad Bob is it?:lol:

t2thejz
05-13-2003, 04:38 PM
Originally posted by themole


It's not Baghdad Bob is it?:lol: I dont think so:lol:

Dolfan984
05-13-2003, 07:03 PM
You're lucky you aren't a student of his. You might actually learn something. Rush Limbaugh is an idiot. If you think that teacher is one sided, Limbaugh is five times that guaranteed.

t2thejz
05-14-2003, 06:49 AM
This teacher is the idiot he still has grudges of the soldiars that went to vietnam he calls them criminals. Now some of them may of done wrong things but most of them were defending their country. He is a scumbag and he is not teaching history the way it happened.

Barbarian
05-14-2003, 07:12 AM
okay... they are both idiots. Hows about that? :)

PhinPhan1227
05-14-2003, 09:24 AM
Originally posted by Dolfan984
You're lucky you aren't a student of his. You might actually learn something. Rush Limbaugh is an idiot. If you think that teacher is one sided, Limbaugh is five times that guaranteed.


Um...lets see...Rush is paid to be an ENTERTAINER, and present himself as "over the top" to entertain his listeners. A teacher is paid to convey the facts. Also, last time I checked, Rush didn't call anyone who had offered to give up their lives for this country a murderer. Rush may be a wind bag and an ass...but that teacher is a scumbag, pure and simple. They're on TOTALY different levels.

t2thejz
05-14-2003, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by PhinPhan1227



Um...lets see...Rush is paid to be an ENTERTAINER, and present himself as "over the top" to entertain his listeners. A teacher is paid to convey the facts. Also, last time I checked, Rush didn't call anyone who had offered to give up their lives for this country a murderer. Rush may be a wind bag and an ass...but that teacher is a scumbag, pure and simple. They're on TOTALY different levels. Couldnt of said it better:bandit:

baccarat
05-14-2003, 09:17 PM
Originally posted by PhinPhan1227



Um...lets see...Rush is paid to be an ENTERTAINER, and present himself as "over the top" to entertain his listeners. A teacher is paid to convey the facts. Also, last time I checked, Rush didn't call anyone who had offered to give up their lives for this country a murderer. Rush may be a wind bag and an ass...but that teacher is a scumbag, pure and simple. They're on TOTALY different levels.

another thing to keep in mind. You don't have to listen to Limbaugh, but students do HAVE to go to school and history class. Limbaugh is definitely over the top and conservative but he's not calling heroes murderers. Teachers do not have the right to push dangerously radical views on students. BTW, I would be just as outraged if a teacher had posters of aborted babies in a classroom.

PhinPhan1227
05-15-2003, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by booyeah_


another thing to keep in mind. You don't have to listen to Limbaugh, but students do HAVE to go to school and history class. Limbaugh is definitely over the top and conservative but he's not calling heroes murderers. Teachers do not have the right to push dangerously radical views on students. BTW, I would be just as outraged if a teacher had posters of aborted babies in a classroom.


Or any other political agenda. When my son is old enough to go to college, I'll be checking on his teachers. These people are paid to TEACH, not indoctrinate. If you want to discuss politics with the students on your own time, feel free. But when my happy ass is paying you to teach my child, TEACH them what you're PAID to teach them. Anything else, and you're stealing my money.

t2thejz
05-15-2003, 06:47 PM
college professers are the worst!

dolfan06
05-20-2003, 02:01 AM
Originally posted by t2thejz
college professers are the worst! yeah, i'm glad i don't have a daughter in college!:(

AquaGreenBeret
06-15-2003, 08:47 PM
I've listened to rush for quite awhile. Found him entertaining and informative. I don't believe in everything he talks about, but he does make you think. Those who've talked about the College teachers are right on the money. The vast majority of them are very, very liberal.

Barbarian
06-16-2003, 07:01 AM
Originally posted by AquaGreenBeret
I've listened to rush for quite awhile. Found him entertaining and informative. I don't believe in everything he talks about, but he does make you think.

Yep, he makes me think.

Makes me think that that Fat Bastard has absolutely no idea what the hell he is talking about 90% of the time. (Although I did agree with him about NAFTA... I had to shower after I heard his and my views were the same on that one)

AquaGreenBeret
06-16-2003, 05:41 PM
Ahh! I see.... california! For one he's not fat anymore (seen him on a TV show) looks about 180. I can't remember his position on NAFTA you'll have to school me on that one. I feel most of his information is pretty accurate and talks a common sense line. By the way was it a cold shower?

burghPhinFan
06-16-2003, 08:16 PM
there you are! cool to see you on here!:salute:

baccarat
06-16-2003, 09:50 PM
Originally posted by Barbarian


Yep, he makes me think.

Makes me think that that Fat Bastard has absolutely no idea what the hell he is talking about 90% of the time. (Although I did agree with him about NAFTA... I had to shower after I heard his and my views were the same on that one)

I'm no fan of Limbaugh but those words are harsh and mean. :eat:

Barbarian
06-17-2003, 06:52 PM
Originally posted by AquaGreenBeret
Ahh! I see.... california! For one he's not fat anymore (seen him on a TV show) looks about 180. I can't remember his position on NAFTA you'll have to school me on that one. I feel most of his information is pretty accurate and talks a common sense line. By the way was it a cold shower?

Yep, california, and a vet that came limping back from Operation Enduring Freedom and served in Iraq and Yugoslavia, so don't sling that liberal lable this way Boyo. I can say quite a few nasty things about some of the liberal morons in the media as well whose fans make the same claim about speaking common sense (I hear them on the radio more than enough unfortunately especially Pete Wilson). In my not so humble opinion, both extreemes liberals and conservatives are full of it, and those that are in the media and in office are the worst of the bunch. Oh, if Rush is 180# then I am a Bills Fan. :lol:

His view on NAFTA was that he was in favor of it, and that he said that if americans were given the chance to compete against workers in Mexico and Canada, then our superior productivity would give us an edge on them and american workers would be better off in the long run (even though there would be some initial hardships as the focus of our economy shifted to take advantage of our strengths). My Father is a serious ditto head, and I found it hilarious that the one time I agreed with Rush wholeheartedly on something my father had his one disagreement with him. :lol:

Oh, and yeah, it was a cold shower... but there was a Sports Illustrated Swimsuit edition commercial on during the show and, well, Kathy Ireland has that effect on me. ;)

Barbarian
06-17-2003, 06:54 PM
Originally posted by booyeah_


I'm no fan of Limbaugh but those words are harsh and mean. :eat:

:evil: If they werent, then y'all would be dissapointed in me though, and I don't want to dissapoint. :D

Joe Friday
06-20-2003, 08:09 AM
Originally posted by honey
I like Rush. In small increments. Sometimes he gets too shrill to listen to, but usually he does make good points.

For everyone who does NOT like him - I also listen to public radio. :D

I see you took some good advise.

Joe Friday
06-20-2003, 08:13 AM
I listen to Rush when I need comic relief.

PhinPhan1227
06-20-2003, 09:13 AM
Originally posted by burghPhinFan
there you are! cool to see you on here!:salute:


Congrats man!!! I grew up with Danes, and anytime you can get one past 10 years it's a MAJOR accomplishment!!

burghPhinFan
06-20-2003, 05:37 PM
Originally posted by PhinPhan1227



Congrats man!!! I grew up with Danes, and anytime you can get one past 10 years it's a MAJOR accomplishment!!
thanks, we've really been blessed with having this guy for so long. My wife got him as a pup, he was about a year old when I met her. He's doing pretty well for an old man.

MaxPower
07-17-2003, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by t2thejz
He should be fired he has stickers all over his room prtesting the war he has a sticker that says impeach bush. He calls the the adminestration criminals, its pathetic what he is teaching. He is a HISTORY TEACHER! He should be fired, he is lucky im not one of his students.

History teachers are actually the most qualified people to spot the "criminals" in any administrations, since they have learned of the crimes committed by all of the past administrations & can recognize the lines....

You should be glad you have someone around that disagrees with the consensus, even if you think they're wrong.

Maybe the guy's a loser & just a bad teacher, but his opinion is valid & he likely has more information to draw that opinion from than the students.

Pathetic would be a teacher who just went "rah-rah we're great" & let you guys of there without actually trying to open your minds...don't want to flame 'cause I really don't care that much...but too bad you're not one of his students. It's cool with me if you disagree with him, but he has a right to his job as long as he's teaching the facts.

MaxPower
07-17-2003, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by t2thejz
He is a scumbag and he is not teaching history the way it happened.

You were there?

Oh no wait, you're in high school.

I'm sure he's not teaching it "the way it happened", but you don't know how it happened any more than he does. No one can. History is facts, information, trivia.

How you string them together into a story is open to interpretation. Whatever one you've learned is at odds with his, but that's all. At least he made it past high school & college.

Everyone is a (moral) criminal in war, some just have better justifications for doing it than others. LOTS of people thought the soldiers of that era were criminals.

IMO you can't hold the soldiers accountable for taking orders, & you've got to "support them" in the sense that no one wants to see an American soldier harmed or killed....BUT you can hold the people that give the soldiers orders accountable. Being against the war here in my neck of the woods means bringing the troops home & out of the line of fire. They didn't need to go in, but it's done so just get them out.

And if someone lied so that you'd agree to send them (& it sure seems they did. Whoppers, too) then maybe your teacher is right.

America was built on dissent and individual freedoms. Be a patriot and recognize this guy's right to speak out to you.

I don't dig Rush & I don't dig Ann Coulter & I don't agree with Jesse Jackson, & on and on.....but they're trying to "educate" you with their verision of the story & it isn't any more or less valid than that teacher's.....

PhinPhan1227
07-17-2003, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by MaxPower


You were there?

Oh no wait, you're in high school.

I'm sure he's not teaching it "the way it happened", but you don't know how it happened any more than he does. No one can. History is facts, information, trivia.

How you string them together into a story is open to interpretation. Whatever one you've learned is at odds with his, but that's all. At least he made it past high school & college.

Everyone is a (moral) criminal in war, some just have better justifications for doing it than others. LOTS of people thought the soldiers of that era were criminals.

IMO you can't hold the soldiers accountable for taking orders, & you've got to "support them" in the sense that no one wants to see an American soldier harmed or killed....BUT you can hold the people that give the soldiers orders accountable. Being against the war here in my neck of the woods means bringing the troops home & out of the line of fire. They didn't need to go in, but it's done so just get them out.

And if someone lied so that you'd agree to send them (& it sure seems they did. Whoppers, too) then maybe your teacher is right.

America was built on dissent and individual freedoms. Be a patriot and recognize this guy's right to speak out to you.

I don't dig Rush & I don't dig Ann Coulter & I don't agree with Jesse Jackson, & on and on.....but they're trying to "educate" you with their verision of the story & it isn't any more or less valid than that teacher's.....


The difference being that a "teacher" doesn't have the right to push his personal agenda to a captive audience of students. Of course he's got a right to his opinion, and he's got a right to speak out. But he doesn't have the right to do it on the students time. It's quite possible to teach the facts, and teach them well without imposing personal opinions into the mix. I wouldn't want a teacher who was for the war to promote that agenda either. Basically, your 1st amendment rights don't extend to a captive audience. If I'm paying for my kids tuition, I have the right to expect a teacher to stick to the facts. If they want to stage a protest, more power to them...just so they do it when they're "off the clock".

MaxPower
07-17-2003, 04:26 PM
elementary education is geared toward interacting - discussion - with students. This means talking positions and defending them & sometimes flopping & defending the other position.

This guy can say whatever he wants, captive audience or not, but his job performance is a failure if he can't get the kids to evaluate his opinions just as critically as he (obviously) does the mainstream opinion.

If he says crazy radical stuff & the kids listen, understand, then disagree - then he's suceeded. The goal is just not to make the kids conform to a *different* opinion. It's still conformity.

You're saying he shouldn't be able to voice these contrary ideas because he's indoctrinating. Newsflash, but the kids are already indoctrinated 24hrs a day. I doubt his 1hr dose of a dissenting opinion per school day will hurt them. If anything he's supplying the "balance" that they are lacking in order to create their own opinions...

But also consider that he's there teaching someone's agenda, based on what the school administration allows & the textbooks, & etc. So the teaching of an agenda or a story to the kids cannot be avoided. He can veer left or right all he wants but he still has boundries. No one has access to straight, "truthful" history.

If he has to rail against the war to interest these kids in history or governement then all the more power to him. Better than churning out a bunch of "dittoheads"...

PhinPhan1227
07-17-2003, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by MaxPower
elementary education is geared toward interacting - discussion - with students. This means talking positions and defending them & sometimes flopping & defending the other position.

This guy can say whatever he wants, captive audience or not, but his job performance is a failure if he can't get the kids to evaluate his opinions just as critically as he (obviously) does the mainstream opinion.

If he says crazy radical stuff & the kids listen, understand, then disagree - then he's suceeded. The goal is just not to make the kids conform to a *different* opinion. It's still conformity.

You're saying he shouldn't be able to voice these contrary ideas because he's indoctrinating. Newsflash, but the kids are already indoctrinated 24hrs a day. I doubt his 1hr dose of a dissenting opinion per school day will hurt them. If anything he's supplying the "balance" that they are lacking in order to create their own opinions...

But also consider that he's there teaching someone's agenda, based on what the school administration allows & the textbooks, & etc. So the teaching of an agenda or a story to the kids cannot be avoided. He can veer left or right all he wants but he still has boundries. No one has access to straight, "truthful" history.

If he has to rail against the war to interest these kids in history or governement then all the more power to him. Better than churning out a bunch of "dittoheads"...

Cool beans....so he's got the right to put KKK posters up on the wall and rail against Civil Rights as well. He's got the right to put Nazi posters on the wall and declare that the Holocaust was a nifty idea that stopped short of it's glorious goal. Again, there are ways to interest kids without imposing YOUR personal beliefs on them. If he wants to play devils advocate on Monday, and take the opposite view on Tuesday...fine and dandy. But when it devolves to the level of "these are my beliefs and I'm going to impose them on you", then no, he does NOT. Again, we're talking a REQUIRED college course. As such he has an obligation to present an IMPARTIAL view of the facts and events he's teaching. If the course is called "Anti-War" 101, then fine and dandy, knock yourself out. Since the class is "history" however, there's no room for personal slant. I'm sorry to disabuse you of the notion, but "indoctrination classes" are something which have no place in the American education system, as much as our current education administrations would like to think they are. I graduated with a degree an history, I can tell you with full assurance that this form of "education" is nothing of the sort. And those who would try to practice it have no place in "educating" young people.

MaxPower
07-18-2003, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by PhinPhan1227


Cool beans....so he's got the right to put KKK posters up on the wall and rail against Civil Rights as well. He's got the right to put Nazi posters on the wall and declare that the Holocaust was a nifty idea that stopped short of it's glorious goal. Again, there are ways to interest kids without imposing YOUR personal beliefs on them. If he wants to play devils advocate on Monday, and take the opposite view on Tuesday...fine and dandy. But when it devolves to the level of "these are my beliefs and I'm going to impose them on you", then no, he does NOT. Again, we're talking a REQUIRED college course. As such he has an obligation to present an IMPARTIAL view of the facts and events he's teaching. If the course is called "Anti-War" 101, then fine and dandy, knock yourself out. Since the class is "history" however, there's no room for personal slant. I'm sorry to disabuse you of the notion, but "indoctrination classes" are something which have no place in the American education system, as much as our current education administrations would like to think they are. I graduated with a degree an history, I can tell you with full assurance that this form of "education" is nothing of the sort. And those who would try to practice it have no place in "educating" young people.

My point is there is no such thing as an impartial view of the facts. No one teaches just "the facts" Since you can't cover everything, the slant is exposed by what is included & what is not covered. He no doubt has an approved curriculum and as long as he hits the notes...fine. He's operating within the accepted borders set down by his administration & school board.

Your analogy with Nazis, etc doesn't fit becuase that would be a message of hate & intolerance - falling outside those borders & thus he'd get yanked immediately. He can teach the reasoning behind what brought the Nazis to power (very much the same nationalistic reactionism, economic depression, & not-quite-fascist-yet administration we've got here at the moment )

Anti-war speech has a long history in this country & is relatively accepted - even if one doesn't agree in a particular case. A better analogy would be that he preaches against some widely believed liberal concept - say, that everyone is innocent until proven guilty & deserves a fair trial, then well, I guess he'd be John Ashcroft...:rolleyes: (sorry, couldn't resist)

My wife is a history teacher & I minored in the same, so I've got a background too. I think there can be a just-as valid teaching of history - using only facts - that war is wrong and administrations are culpable for what are, indeed, crimes against humanity.

These kids are being inundated with a "USA=RIGHT", "you're with us or you're with the terrorists" message from every mainstream news source as well as their government - to the point that it has reached certifiable propaganda levels - and if this guy wants to squeak out his minority opinion it's fine be me. And yes, I fine with the vice-versa when the occasion comes up.

And excuse me, but if a college student can't spot bias in a professor (& I think they can & you're not giving them enough credit) then they're in trouble and this guy isn't the worst of their problems. You don't impose anything on a 18-24 year old, intellectually speaking. It's not like he's teaching 4th graders here...he's not branding them with a hot iron. It's a lecture class in which half the kids are hung over, some already have strong opinions to the contrary, some agree, some could care less, some are only taking in pass/fail, etc etc etc. The idea that he has some Rasputin-like power to impose his opinions on them is laughable.

And as for indoctrination...the entire American educational system is based on it. It is structured around following rules and obedience. Free thinking is encouraged in a limited scale, in so far that it does not cause disruption to the fairly rigid practices in place. Conformity is encouraged, in thinking right down to dress codes...and the transgressors are reacted to with less tolerance each coming year.

PhinPhan1227
07-18-2003, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by MaxPower


My point is there is no such thing as an impartial view of the facts. No one teaches just "the facts" Since you can't cover everything, the slant is exposed by what is included & what is not covered. He no doubt has an approved curriculum and as long as he hits the notes...fine. He's operating within the accepted borders set down by his administration & school board.

Your analogy with Nazis, etc doesn't fit becuase that would be a message of hate & intolerance - falling outside those borders & thus he'd get yanked immediately. He can teach the reasoning behind what brought the Nazis to power (very much the same nationalistic reactionism, economic depression, & not-quite-fascist-yet administration we've got here at the moment )

Anti-war speech has a long history in this country & is relatively accepted - even if one doesn't agree in a particular case. A better analogy would be that he preaches against some widely believed liberal concept - say, that everyone is innocent until proven guilty & deserves a fair trial, then well, I guess he'd be John Ashcroft...:rolleyes: (sorry, couldn't resist)

My wife is a history teacher & I minored in the same, so I've got a background too. I think there can be a just-as valid teaching of history - using only facts - that war is wrong and administrations are culpable for what are, indeed, crimes against humanity.

These kids are being inundated with a "USA=RIGHT", "you're with us or you're with the terrorists" message from every mainstream news source as well as their government - to the point that it has reached certifiable propaganda levels - and if this guy wants to squeak out his minority opinion it's fine be me. And yes, I fine with the vice-versa when the occasion comes up.

And excuse me, but if a college student can't spot bias in a professor (& I think they can & you're not giving them enough credit) then they're in trouble and this guy isn't the worst of their problems. You don't impose anything on a 18-24 year old, intellectually speaking. It's not like he's teaching 4th graders here...he's not branding them with a hot iron. It's a lecture class in which half the kids are hung over, some already have strong opinions to the contrary, some agree, some could care less, some are only taking in pass/fail, etc etc etc. The idea that he has some Rasputin-like power to impose his opinions on them is laughable.

And as for indoctrination...the entire American educational system is based on it. It is structured around following rules and obedience. Free thinking is encouraged in a limited scale, in so far that it does not cause disruption to the fairly rigid practices in place. Conformity is encouraged, in thinking right down to dress codes...and the transgressors are reacted to with less tolerance each coming year.


Yes the American education system is rife with indoctrination, and THAT'S what I can't stand. Our education system right now is dominated by groups who actively SUPPORT exactly what this guy was spewing. There's a reason why schools saw nothing wrong with banning the 10 Commandments, while simultaneously having a school program in which kids live as Muslims for a week including prayers. What I find most objectionable however is a teacher teaching that war is right OR wrong. That's not his place. Give the facts, give the REASONS for the war, and let kids decide on their own. If they want to seek him out after class and ask his opinion, fine and dandy. Where I think you may be missing the point is in your assertion that there's any REAL difference in imposing an ideology supporting the Nazi's versus imposing an ideology supporting the antiwar movement. And please don't think that I'm so naive as to think that a persons personal beliefs don't enter into his delivery of a lecture. But where the line is crossed is the posting of propaganda in the class. Where the line is crossed is presenting ONE side of the argument. Where the line is crossed is giving such a one sided view of history that you short change the kids. If the only view you give is the anti-war view, than you CAN'T be giving an accurate view of history. It's just not possible. There HAVE been just wars, and there HAVE been wars which made the world a better place. Ignoring that fact alone makes this teacher incompitant to teach the material involved.