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DonShula84
10-25-2006, 03:11 AM
Figured this might spark some debate. Of course I agree with him, people say ND gets a pass and the media loves them, yet they drop in the polls every week, even when they dont play. The reasons to drop ND dont hold up when they are passed by teams who are having similar weeks to us



"One of the teams [Tennessee] that jumped us had the same game that we had. They're down, they're playing at home and they win by a field goal," Weis said Tuesday. "Another team [Florida] that jumped us wasn't even playing. They were home eating cheeseburgers and they end up jumping us. That befuddles me."


I dont think it really matters too much though. ND wont move up by beating the next 4 teams on their schedule because they should be easy games. If they beat USC though there is no way they dont finish top 8 (assuming they win the next 4) and clinch a BCS game. Like Weis said though



Should the Irish be ranked in the top 10?
"I think we'll know that in about five weeks," he said. "We might be a top-five team in five weeks. But ask me that at the end of November. Because right now I couldn't answer that question."


It all comes down to those Trojan *******s!

Motion
10-25-2006, 06:16 AM
"Another team [Florida] that jumped us wasn't even playing. They were home eating cheeseburgers and they end up jumping us. That befuddles me."

Wait, when was ND ranked ahead of Florida? I feel like I missed something. What poll is he referring to?

DonShula84
10-25-2006, 06:19 AM
Wait, when was ND ranked ahead of Florida? I feel like I missed something. What poll is he referring to?

USA Today Poll last week had ND at 8 Tennessee at 9 and Florida at 10. In week 9 it has Florida at 8, Tennessee still at 9 and ND at 10. You moved up two spots on your bye with both teams ahead of you winning. Both won ugly though.


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex?pollId=null&weekNumber=9&seasonYear=2006

Motion
10-25-2006, 06:21 AM
USA Today Poll last week had ND at 8 Tennessee at 9 and Florida at 10. In week 9 it has Florida at 8, Tennessee still at 9 and ND at 10. You moved up two spots on your bye with both teams ahead of you winning. Both won ugly though.


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex?pollId=null&weekNumber=9&seasonYear=2006

Ah I see. WTF was Tennessee ranked ahead of us for in the first place? We beat them in their house.

Can't wait to see ND vs. USC

DonShula84
10-25-2006, 06:25 AM
Ah I see. WTF was Tennessee ranked ahead of us for in the first place? We beat them in their house.

Can't wait to see ND vs. USC


Yep, hopefully it will be as good as last years game, just with a better ending :D

I dont really have a problem with UF being ranked ahead of ND though, it's hard to argue they arent a better team at this point.

Motion
10-25-2006, 06:31 AM
Yeah its pretty bad though when we have Georgia and FSU left on the schedule but the "experts" are saying South Carolina is our toughest remaining game. :lol:

I'm really hoping for a rematch with Auburn in the SEC Championship Game.

finswin56
10-25-2006, 10:04 AM
That would annoy me as well, Don. But, truth be told, I don't ND should have ever been ranked about eiterh UF or UT. UT has been much more consistent and convincing this year. Looking at it as a one week snapshot, it doesn't make sense, though.

I do find it pretty comical when I hear anyone at ND complaining about polls. Historically, they've always been media darlings. When I heard Weiss' comments, I thought about a time a long time Yankee fan tried to convince me that Yankee fans had it very hard for years. That still cracks me up.

I can't wait for the ND at USC. My buddy is big time ND fan, and has a conference on campus this weekend. He's pissed because they're on the road :lol:

nyjunc
10-25-2006, 10:09 AM
ND slips yet michigan jumps past USC despite their only win over a quality team being ND and a mid of he pack PAC 10 team nearly beat ND on the road. This is why CFB is a joke, there needs to be a playoff system.

Mike13
10-25-2006, 11:32 AM
ND slips yet michigan jumps past USC despite their only win over a quality team being ND and a mid of he pack PAC 10 team nearly beat ND on the road. This is why CFB is a joke, there needs to be a playoff system.

Agreed, the systrem is a lump of ****. There has to be a playoff system.


Yep, hopefully it will be as good as last years game, just with a better ending :D


I will:sidelol: if someone gets shoved into the endzone.

Cuban Dave 9
10-25-2006, 01:30 PM
I just heard about this on the ESPN. I yelled obsenities at Weis through the TV screen. I don't think he heard me though. I did eat a cheeseburger last weekend, and it was good. He looks like he eats a lot of them.

So after venting, I have to agree with finswin that ND is the media darling so he shouldn't complain.

DBoston80
10-25-2006, 02:15 PM
The polls are meaningless right now....If ND wins out they will be a in a BCS bowl.....nothing to cry about Charlie...:rolleyes:

DonShula84
10-25-2006, 05:15 PM
I just heard about this on the ESPN. I yelled obsenities at Weis through the TV screen. I don't think he heard me though. I did eat a cheeseburger last weekend, and it was good. He looks like he eats a lot of them.

So after venting, I have to agree with finswin that ND is the media darling so he shouldn't complain.

ND is the media darling, yet the media votes to drop them in the polls every week? Those media people have a funny way of showing they love us.

Roman529
10-25-2006, 06:26 PM
If ND barely beats teams, or has to have a big comeback to win I think they naturally are going to have some people not vote for them. I don't think Weis should be bringing up cheeseburgers when he looks like Blimpy from them Popeye cartoons. :lol:

HysterikiLL
10-25-2006, 07:18 PM
Am I the only one confused as to how Front-Butt knew Florida were eating Cheeseburgers? :confused:

Y'know, Chuck, not everyone uses their bye week to supplement themselves with grease-laden small goods. :wink:

finswin56
10-25-2006, 09:16 PM
ND is the media darling, yet the media votes to drop them in the polls every week? Those media people have a funny way of showing they love us.To be honest, I think ND's ranking is still tied tightly to their preseason ranking.

Put their season in perspective:
*Barely escaped GT (away) OK, no problem... road game against a quality opponent

* Boat raced Penn State (home) cool GT was just an early season hicup

* Embarrassed by Michigan (home) It doesn't get worse than getting blown out at home; it doesn't matter who the opponent is. devastating.

* Miracle win against Michigan State (away) Horrible rebound. MSU always gives ND trouble, but this was ND's chance to make a statement after an embarrassing loss. This is almost as bad as the Michigan loss.

* Purdue and Stanford wins were convincing enough, but these are no win games. ND couldn't and didn't prove anything... only could have lost voter confidence.

* UCLA (home) This was supposed to be ugly. Quinn was supposed to pad his Heisman numbers, and ND could then roll though the academies on their way to USC. UCLA's defense was horrible coming into South Bend.

I actually like ND. Catholic boy here, I'd burn in hell if I didn't at least feign ND support. I'm definitely not a hater.
BUT, ND had no business ever being ranked above UT or UF after the Michigan loss. The only reason ND was ever ranked about those schools was because of the media and nation's love for ND.

DonShula84
10-25-2006, 09:35 PM
* UCLA (home) This was supposed to be ugly. Quinn was supposed to pad his Heisman numbers, and ND could then roll though the academies on their way to USC. UCLA's defense was horrible coming into South Bend.

That simply isnt true. UCLA has the 10th ranked total defense in the country and the 11th ranked rushing defense and they're in the top 15 in sacks. They have been anything but horrible this season and are the only reason why that team is winning or in games at all.

I agree we were ranked too high at the beginning of the season. After our Michigan loss though both UF and UT were ranked ahead of us. It was after the UF loss that Florida fell down behind us. Also after Florida lost, they were ranked ahead of ND in the AP poll and the BCS but I dont have a problem with UF or really UT being ahead of ND in the polls. I do have a problem with Clemson and maybe Tenn though.

http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/2006/Internet/ranking_summary/2006000000110.HTML

finswin56
10-25-2006, 10:57 PM
That simply isnt true. UCLA has the 10th ranked total defense in the country and the 11th ranked rushing defense and they're in the top 15 in sacks. They have been anything but horrible this season and are the only reason why that team is winning or in games at all.

I agree we were ranked too high at the beginning of the season. After our Michigan loss though both UF and UT were ranked ahead of us. It was after the UF loss that Florida fell down behind us. Also after Florida lost, they were ranked ahead of ND in the AP poll and the BCS but I dont have a problem with UF or really UT being ahead of ND in the polls. I do have a problem with Clemson and maybe Tenn though.

http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/2006/Internet/ranking_summary/2006000000110.HTML
Rankings of offense and defense in college are largely reliant on the each respective team's schedule. Have you seen UCLA's schedule thus far? The ONLY decent team they played going into ND was Oregon. Not other team they've played is even over .500, forget even being ranked. Nearly every college football "expert" had little respect for UCLA's defense. You may be right, and UCLA's D might actually be good, but that's not the prevailing thought amongst the analysts that I've heard.

I'm torn on the Clemson thing. Clemson lost last minute on the road to a pretty good team. B.C. has played very well this year. UT's a toss up, but I think UT's about as dangerous a team as there is right now.

kpcane
10-26-2006, 10:05 AM
What a vag Charlie Weis is...he says wait til we get through Army, Navy, UNC, and the AFA before deciding whether we're a top team, while other teams go through their conference schedules. Real classy Charlie, but no thanks, I'll judge Notre Dame by how they played at home against Michigan and UCLA (and their backup QB). They don't deserve it again this year, but somehow Notre Dame will end up in the BCS, and they won't have to share a penny.

Bumpus
10-26-2006, 10:11 AM
:boohoo:

...let's all give a couple sniffles for the vastly overrated 2006 Irish.

Cuban Dave 9
10-26-2006, 10:58 AM
ND is the media darling, yet the media votes to drop them in the polls every week? Those media people have a funny way of showing they love us.
Wasn't it the Coaches poll that he was talking about?

DonShula84
10-26-2006, 11:16 PM
Wasn't it the Coaches poll that he was talking about?

they dropped in all polls

unifiedtheory
10-27-2006, 01:55 AM
I know this is not a BCS debate but can I ask a question...

How the HELL is Cal ranked ahead of the Vols? The Vols KILLED Cal! I don't care what the "computers" say. When 2 teams have the same damn record you can not rank the loser of a head to head mach up ahead of the team that beat them by 20 points.

The BCS is a ****ing joke.

There is my yearly BCS rant....LOL!

DonShula84
10-29-2006, 03:06 PM
This week in the AP Notre Dame was jumped by Cal. A team that didnt play and struggled last week against Washington.:rolleyes: Looking forward to Arkansas passing us next week

cnc66
10-29-2006, 03:08 PM
This week in the AP Notre Dame was jumped by Cal. A team that didnt play and struggled last week against Washington.:rolleyes: Looking forward to Arkansas passing us next week

I was just hopin' Navy would get you....:mad:

DonShula84
10-29-2006, 03:10 PM
I was just hopin' Navy would get you....:mad:

Here's to another 43 years :lol:

DonShula84
10-29-2006, 03:12 PM
I dont understand how Auburn struggles, Tennessee struggles, Texas etc and they move up. ND wins and moves down.

cnc66
10-29-2006, 03:14 PM
Here's to another 43 years :lol:

I sure would like to witness TWO victories in my lifetime.... :(

DonShula84
10-29-2006, 03:16 PM
I sure would like to witness TWO victories in my lifetime.... :(


It'll happen, next year maybe ND wont be very good.

cnc66
10-29-2006, 03:17 PM
It'll happen, next year maybe ND wont be very good.

yea...and pigs fly....

MikeO
10-30-2006, 05:22 AM
Take that NFL job next year when offered Charlie and don't put up with the POLLS.

If not, then just win and leave everything out of the hands of the pollsters!

DonShula84
10-30-2006, 06:22 AM
On 60 minutes they said Weis makes more than 80% of NFL coaches. No way does he jump ship this soon. All he needs is one championship at Notre Dame and he is a legend, losing 9 games a year for the Cardinals gets him nothing.