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columbuslarry
10-26-2006, 12:23 PM
Please post in the correct forums.

First off I hope we don't end up 1st. Who should we be looking at. Do you think there is a team that wants Brady Quinn bad enough to give us a package of picks. The last thing I want is to be stuck at #1 and draft a O-lineman and have to overpay him. Be great to move down and pick up multiple picks.

Aqua4Ever04
10-26-2006, 12:25 PM
Well the BPA would be Calvin Johnson. I don't know that we would go WR however.

Gardenhead
10-26-2006, 12:29 PM
There is a draft forum for this discussion.

In fact, there are 12 threads in the draft forum regarding this question.

Not trying to be a wiseguy, but go to the draft forum and you will get the info yr looking for.

Pocoloco
10-26-2006, 12:32 PM
Yeh, this has got to be the 3rd or 4th thread with the same exact title

columbuslarry
10-26-2006, 12:41 PM
Sorry I just felt there is nothing left to talk about this years team. We all know our o-line stinks Joey Stinks mularkey stinks

Gardenhead
10-26-2006, 12:43 PM
No problem.

Go to the draft forum and you will encounter the hearty debate you are seeking.

RoninFin4
10-26-2006, 12:48 PM
Well the BPA would be Calvin Johnson. I don't know that we would go WR however.

Johnson may be the most talented draft pick out there...but I'd rather draft someone who's going to get the ball more than 5 or 6 times a game, like a Brady Quinn if necessary, or a Joe Thomas who's involved in every play. Why pay a high price for Johnson when we have no one to block long enough for whomever our QB is to get him the ball? I agree that we wouldn't go with a WR.

Adam First
10-26-2006, 01:27 PM
JOE THOMAS

Who cares if he's not NUMBER ONE material, he's TOP FIVE isn't he?

columbuslarry
10-26-2006, 01:36 PM
Joe Thomas is who I want i would just like to slide down and get him and pick up another pick if we are at #1

PHINBRED
10-26-2006, 01:39 PM
Brady Quinn

Stitches
10-26-2006, 01:42 PM
Brady Quinn

The dolphins will not select a QB in the 1st round of the 2007 NFL draft(no matter how deserving Quinn is of a high selection).

PHINANALYST
10-26-2006, 01:42 PM
We WON'T end up with the 1st pick ... but for any top 5 pick we get NEEDS to be a QB !!

Top 10 opens it up to T or DL [absolute IMPACT player]

Top 15 opens it up to WR, LB and DB ....

Stitches
10-26-2006, 01:44 PM
We WON'T end up with the 1st pick ... but for any top 5 pick we get NEEDS to be a QB !!

Top 10 opens it up to T or DL [absolute IMPACT player]

Top 15 opens it up to WR, LB and DB ....

whether it needs to be or not is irrelivent, because this coaching staff will not select a QB in the first round of the 2007 draft. Especially not in the top 5.

zonk4ever
10-26-2006, 01:55 PM
at this point speculating on who we should take #1 in the draft is like getting depressed because marino didn't win a superbowl. a waste of time. because there is no salary cap for rookies a high draft pick is a lousy investment! 20, 30, 40, 50 million dollars on a bunch of potential. Trading out of the 1st round makes the most sense but teams aren't stupid (a la Jimmy Johnson - herschel Walker trade) anymore.

Stitches
10-26-2006, 02:15 PM
at this point speculating on who we should take #1 in the draft is like getting depressed because marino didn't win a superbowl. a waste of time. because there is no salary cap for rookies a high draft pick is a lousy investment! 20, 30, 40, 50 million dollars on a bunch of potential. Trading out of the 1st round makes the most sense but teams aren't stupid (a la Jimmy Johnson - herschel Walker trade) anymore.

Actually, there is a rookie cap for every team, and it is designated by where you pick in the draft. And trading out of the 1st round does not make the most sense, otherwise more teams would try and do it(and in the process never garner equal return on thier trade). If you manage to trade out of the 1st round, you normally acquire future picks, which again are hinged on a bunch of potential. And with the Herschel Walker trade, the cowboys acquired a bunch of picks including a first rounder. The team that would be considered stupid, was the team that traded out of the 1st round to do so, because Johnson got the much better deal ultimately. Then again, his results were predicated on potential, so it must have been a lousy investment.

Dolfan_Noles
10-26-2006, 03:02 PM
I think that you absolutely have to take CJ. I posted this before. With Joey and DC on the roster, which they both will be, we will not take a QB and CJ is a rare talent. Tall, big, with 4.3 speed. He is a freak. Chambers has underachieved this year, Booker is constantly hurt, and even with Hagan and Welker on the roster, you can not pass this up. I know teams that have gone BPA before with receivers (Lions, Cards) haven't turned out very good, but I would loooove to see CJ in a Fins uni next year.

Stitches
10-26-2006, 03:13 PM
I think that you absolutely have to take CJ. I posted this before. With Joey and DC on the roster, which they both will be, we will not take a QB and CJ is a rare talent. Tall, big, with 4.3 speed. He is a freak. Chambers has underachieved this year, Booker is constantly hurt, and even with Hagan and Welker on the roster, you can not pass this up. I know teams that have gone BPA before with receivers (Lions, Cards) haven't turned out very good, but I would loooove to see CJ in a Fins uni next year.

I would actually be willing to contest that the Cards doing it has worked out well. It's not so much a knock on Bryant Johnson to be thier third, but rather the amazing production from Boldin that Johnson is third. Had Rogers not gotten hurt as a rookie, and subsequently his second year, I even think they would be much better off at WR(because obviously Roy Williams was a great pick), but that is simply speculation.

Gardenhead
10-26-2006, 03:18 PM
Actually, there is a rookie cap for every team, and it is designated by where you pick in the draft. And trading out of the 1st round does not make the most sense, otherwise more teams would try and do it(and in the process never garner equal return on thier trade). If you manage to trade out of the 1st round, you normally acquire future picks, which again are hinged on a bunch of potential. And with the Herschel Walker trade, the cowboys acquired a bunch of picks including a first rounder. The team that would be considered stupid, was the team that traded out of the 1st round to do so, because Johnson got the much better deal ultimately. Then again, his results were predicated on potential, so it must have been a lousy investment.

Oh snap!

I actually agree with trading down as a general rule. There's no reason why Ronnie Brown should be getting paid more than Tiki Barber (and I LOVE Ronnie). Top draft picks' salaries are out of control. Gimme 3 2nd round picks instead of a top 5 overall pick. Your odds of "hitting" are better and they don't kill your cap.

But the whole draft is a crapshoot.

Stitches
10-26-2006, 03:27 PM
Oh snap!

I actually agree with trading down as a general rule. There's no reason why Ronnie Brown should be getting paid more than Tiki Barber (and I LOVE Ronnie). Top draft picks' salaries are out of control. Gimme 3 2nd round picks instead of a top 5 overall pick. Your odds of "hitting" are better and they don't kill your cap.

But the whole draft is a crapshoot.

Yes, it's more of informed crapshoot though. Still a crapshoot, but slightly better odds.

It depends what 2nd round picks, and who is availale, as to whether I would want the lone top 5 pick or not.

As for the contracts, I agree. But precedence is set on the inflation of rooke contracts from year to year, the previous year's draft pick's contact at that slot, and the contracts of the players drafted around the player in question.

It would require the NFL stepping in, a major MAJOR statement by clubs(in which they would have to continually refuse to play ball with picks who want to get shown the $$$), or a very conservative agreement from an agent and his player.

None of which are very likely, though a trend of lower agreements(this would take years) is the most likely way of working high draft slot contracts down to a more reasonable level.

miami234ever
10-26-2006, 03:49 PM
Joe Thomas! Basically, in the NFL, if you have a good oline, you have a good team. Hello Denver! Plummer sucks ***. They're 5-1. Minnesota! Not the most talented team but they're still 4-2. Name me a team that has a good oline and a losing record.

Stitches
10-26-2006, 03:59 PM
Joe Thomas! Basically, in the NFL, if you have a good oline, you have a good team. Hello Denver! Plummer sucks ***. They're 5-1. Minnesota! Not the most talented team but they're still 4-2. Name me a team that has a good oline and a losing record.

I can only name one. Pittsburgh.

Ry24
10-26-2006, 04:08 PM
imo we have to take CJ if he is availible, he is too good to pass up. If we can get him, our recieving group will be great with Chanbers, CJ, Hagan, Welker, and hopefully vick

miami234ever
10-26-2006, 04:09 PM
I can only name one. Pittsburgh.

True. Good one. That's because Big Ben signed a deal with the devil!:evil: I'm really starting to feel bad for him.

Note: If we drafted Calvin Johnson, we would be like Oakland. Two good-great receivers and no oline.

Stitches
10-26-2006, 04:43 PM
True. Good one. That's because Big Ben signed a deal with the devil!:evil: I'm really starting to feel bad for him.

Note: If we drafted Calvin Johnson, we would be like Oakland. Two good-great receivers and no oline.

I don't know if I would go that far. Our TE is much better than thiers(albeit inconsistent), and our QBs are better(or are percieved to be better at least). Also, our line has suffered many injuries, I don't know if Oakland could say the same.

Roman529
10-26-2006, 04:52 PM
I think it depends on what our final record is and where we pick. I also think it depends on how some of our receivers play the rest of the year before we start talking about CJ. I think Thomas is the safe pick as he will be a great o-lineman....you never know with Quinn or Troy Smith. :shakeno:

Stitches
10-26-2006, 05:09 PM
I think it depends on what our final record is and where we pick. I also think it depends on how some of our receivers play the rest of the year before we start talking about CJ. I think Thomas is the safe pick as he will be a great o-lineman....you never know with Quinn or Troy Smith. :shakeno:

I don't know of any draft analysts/experts who view Smith as a first round pick, let alone a top 5. Just so you know.

VanDolPhan
10-26-2006, 10:25 PM
Well the BPA would be Calvin Johnson. I don't know that we would go WR however.

Lets just hope he's great enough to be excellent trade bait. Drop down to around 3-5 and pick up a tackle armed with an extra 2nd rounder and most likely a first the following year.

That gives you the luxury of picking up an interior linemen in the 2nd and then going BPA with the other one.