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FrankieG
11-01-2006, 11:46 AM
If we someone get into a position where we have 2 first round picks that arent early on (trade down, players, etc) do you guys think Pozluszny would be a good pick? A lot of people here are saying how Thomas isnt doing as good as he usually is, and he wont be any younger next year. So...thoughts?

Stitches
11-01-2006, 11:58 AM
I love the guy, but he shouldn't go before number 8 for sure. CK thinks a team like the Patriots will get a steal by having him fall into thier laps. He thinks there's a chance that if we pick high enough in round 2, we might just be able to get him as a steal too.

If we did somehow get a 1st rounder from 16 on back, I'd have to think he'd be in strong consideration for being drafted.

Disgustipate
11-01-2006, 12:09 PM
This kind of belongs in the draft forum.

I dont think Paul Posluszny would be a good fit in Miami. They have fairly strict archtypes for the LB positions in their defense, and I dont think he really fits any of them.

Zach Thomas is small, but he's been grandfathered in despite having some weaknesses in the system, and he's an extraordinary player on a level that Posluszny is unlikely to ever match.

Drafting a player like Posluszny would also result in Channing Crowder continuing to play out of his ideal position long term.

Jay131866
11-01-2006, 12:31 PM
I've watched just about every game Poz has played over the last couple of yrs and the guy is an animal. He may lack some size I guess, but more importantly he's a good leader, great character guy, and makes tons of tackles. Kind of reminds me of Zach actually. I'd love to have Poz b/c we def need a LB early in this draft. Wonder where he will end up falling in the draft.

MrEd
11-01-2006, 12:40 PM
If we someone get into a position where we have 2 first round picks that arent early on (trade down, players, etc) do you guys think Pozluszny would be a good pick? A lot of people here are saying how Thomas isnt doing as good as he usually is, and he wont be any younger next year. So...thoughts?

I think that that would be the most foolish thing that could be done. Why?

Because you don't use your 1st round pick on a position that is well stocked via free agency. You use it on the BPA regarding what the market is scarce on.

Oraclepz
11-01-2006, 12:44 PM
isnt he injured??? i love him but i wouldnt draft some one like him unless he drops...from the first round

Stitches
11-01-2006, 12:46 PM
isnt he injured??? i love him but i wouldnt draft some one like him unless he drops...from the first round

Nope, although he wears a brace, from what I know he is recovered almost completely from his injury at the orange bowl.

Stitches
11-01-2006, 12:48 PM
I think that that would be the most foolish thing that could be done. Why?

Because you don't use your 1st round pick on a position that is well stocked via free agency. You use it on the BPA regarding what the market is scarce on.

I think we'd know if we had that position filled(or on the way to be filled) prior to the draft though. That would certainly affect our decision. Right now we do need a OLB, so until we get it filled, we can discuss all we want.

Finfan53
11-01-2006, 01:11 PM
His knee is fine, didn't require surgery as far as I can remember. I would love to have him with the Dolphins! Reads and anticipates plays extremely well.... I think he needs about 18 tackles to be the all time leader in tackles at Penn Sate! Strong character guy even says "coach may I please ask you a question?" before even asking it when he first got to Penn State. Strong academic guy too

Bigbucks24
11-01-2006, 01:23 PM
I think we'd know if we had that position filled(or on the way to be filled) prior to the draft though. That would certainly affect our decision. Right now we do need a OLB, so until we get it filled, we can discuss all we want.

But doesn't he play ILB? Maybe I'm confused, but isn't Crowder is the heir appearent to Zach? Though he may be a great player, I would think we have a lot of holes to fill and having him may be a luxury we cannot afford. IMO, it's like drafting another RB with our 1st pick. It would be great to have another stud, but we have too many other needs.

PhinFan0202
11-01-2006, 01:23 PM
Well it all depends on what we are trying to do. if we are indeed going to play more 3-4 next year i don't know if Poz would fit the inside playing thumper or the plug position at a pro level, seems more like an inside in the 4-3. I think Penn State plays a 3-4 now but i don't know if he could do it in the NFL.

thejetssuck
11-01-2006, 01:27 PM
If we could get Paul Posluszny with a late first (via trade down or whatever) or early 2nd, I think i would pee my pants with happiness. That would be an absolute freakin STEAL!!! I don't give a crap how big he is, he is awesome and by far the best LB PSU has ever had IMO.

Stitches
11-01-2006, 01:45 PM
But doesn't he play ILB? Maybe I'm confused, but isn't Crowder is the heir appearent to Zach? Though he may be a great player, I would think we have a lot of holes to fill and having him may be a luxury we cannot afford. IMO, it's like drafting another RB with our 1st pick. It would be great to have another stud, but we have too many other needs.

He's playing Middle linebacker this season, but it's kind of like a 3-4 defense, as Tim Shaw(an OLB last year) is lining up as a stand up end. So he isn't a true Mike linebacker IMO. He played last year at OLB and was the Bednardik winner, even over Hawk. He was slow to get started this year, because of his new position, but penn. state alumni all seem to think he's the best LB they've ever had. And I think he would play OLB(not sure, he might be like Crowder and capable of playing all 3 spots). I agree that, if we were to draft him as a MLB, it wouldn't make much sense, unless we converted more to a true 3-4(and no longer had Zach), where Crowder and Poz(so essientally Paul would be playing the same position he is right now) started in the middle.

Stitches
11-01-2006, 01:46 PM
If we could get Paul Posluszny with a late first (via trade down or whatever) or early 2nd, I think i would pee my pants with happiness. That would be an absolute freakin STEAL!!! I don't give a crap how big he is, he is awesome and by far the best LB PSU has ever had IMO.

Same here. If he falls that far in the first, I pray he falls to our 2nd round pick, or somehow we trade up to get him.

@@@
11-01-2006, 01:52 PM
He's a great player but a poor fit for us IMO, we need a strongside linebacker and he simply doesn't have the frame to do what Nick Saban wants from that position which is why Adalius Thomas will be a key free agent target

randy9
11-01-2006, 01:54 PM
If we could get Paul Posluszny with a late first (via trade down or whatever) or early 2nd, I think i would pee my pants with happiness. That would be an absolute freakin STEAL!!! I don't give a crap how big he is, he is awesome and by far the best LB PSU has ever had IMO.
He's the best LB according to Jack Ham as well, "and that's saying alot!"

Stitches
11-01-2006, 01:56 PM
He's a great player but a poor fit for us IMO, we need a strongside linebacker and he simply doesn't have the frame to do what Nick Saban wants from that position which is why Adalius Thomas will be a key free agent target

I don't know about a poor fit, but certaily not an ideal fit. Just like I don't think Crowder is an ideal fit at weakside LB. If he were there at our pick in round 2 by some miracle, don't you think he'd have to be under strong consideration though?

Roman529
11-01-2006, 01:57 PM
I am concerned about Poz's knee...I heard he had a gimpy knee and we just can't take a chance.

@@@
11-01-2006, 02:00 PM
I don't know about a poor fit, but certaily not an ideal fit. Just like I don't think Crowder is an ideal fit at weakside LB. If he were there at our pick in round 2 by some miracle, don't you think he'd have to be under strong consideration though?Sorry i meant he's a poor fit for the strong side, i'd certainly take him in round 2 unless a marquee Corner or Tackle was somehow sitting there as well with view to Crowder playing the Middle and Pos playing the weakside after Zach retires/reduces his role over the next 2-3 years

Stitches
11-01-2006, 02:01 PM
I am concerned about Poz's knee...I heard he had a gimpy knee and we just can't take a chance.

If you watch him play it's healthy(despite the brace), or listen to people now, they'll tell you his knee is healthy. I don't even think he needed surgery on his knee. as far as not being able to take that chance, we took a greater chance on Crowder, and it's worked out so far.

Stitches
11-01-2006, 02:02 PM
Sorry i meant he's a poor fit for the strong side, i'd certainly take him in round 2 unless a marquee Corner or Tackle was somehow sitting there as well with view to Crowder playing the Middle and Pos playing the weakside after Zach retires/reduces his role over the next 2-3 years

That's what I said a couple posts before. Or if we did manage to move to a truer 3-4, Crowder and Pos could both be the MLBs.

MrEd
11-01-2006, 03:47 PM
I think we'd know if we had that position filled(or on the way to be filled) prior to the draft though. That would certainly affect our decision. Right now we do need a OLB, so until we get it filled, we can discuss all we want.

Yes, but why discuss something that doesn't make any sense?

There are no #1 UFA WR's or no #1 UFA LT's.

These are the 2 potential draft positions that our 1st round pick will be used on. We should discuss that.

Stitches
11-01-2006, 03:54 PM
Yes, but why discuss something that doesn't make any sense?

There are no #1 UFA WR's or no #1 UFA LT's.

These are the 2 potential draft positions that our 1st round pick will be used on. We should discuss that.

But we're discussing how he might slip to the late 1st or even 2nd round. it's obvious we wouldn't draft him in the top 10. So I don't see how discussing a possibility of taking him later in the draft is an issue. And there are 10's of other threads discussing tackles and WRs we might take with our 1st pick. So we would be discussing those picks in those threads, where I'm pretty sure I have a comment in most of them. There is nothing wrong with this thread at all, this thread absolutely makes sense.

SR 7
11-01-2006, 03:59 PM
I think that that would be the most foolish thing that could be done. Why?

Because you don't use your 1st round pick on a position that is well stocked via free agency. You use it on the BPA regarding what the market is scarce on.

what lbs are fa this year that u claim well stocked?

thomas? briggs? (he wanst to be the highest paid LB so cancel him out)

SR 7
11-01-2006, 04:01 PM
He's playing Middle linebacker this season, but it's kind of like a 3-4 defense, as Tim Shaw(an OLB last year) is lining up as a stand up end. So he isn't a true Mike linebacker IMO. He played last year at OLB and was the Bednardik winner, even over Hawk. He was slow to get started this year, because of his new position, but penn. state alumni all seem to think he's the best LB they've ever had. And I think he would play OLB(not sure, he might be like Crowder and capable of playing all 3 spots). I agree that, if we were to draft him as a MLB, it wouldn't make much sense, unless we converted more to a true 3-4(and no longer had Zach), where Crowder and Poz(so essientally Paul would be playing the same position he is right now) started in the middle.

he wuold play WLB not MLB unless its a 4 3 Def. and crowder cant play SLB, or not that i think of. we either dont blitz him or he just cna't blitz.

Stitches
11-01-2006, 04:22 PM
he wuold play WLB not MLB unless its a 4 3 Def. and crowder cant play SLB, or not that i think of. we either dont blitz him or he just cna't blitz.

I think I said everything you said. Only thing is I think you mixed up 4-3 and 3-4 defense when you wrote it. Crowder could probably play SLB, just it's not ideal, and he's better suited for WLB, which is why he plays there.

mmikel30
11-01-2006, 04:42 PM
I've watched just about every game Poz has played over the last couple of yrs and the guy is an animal. He may lack some size I guess, but more importantly he's a good leader, great character guy, and makes tons of tackles. Kind of reminds me of Zach actually. I'd love to have Poz b/c we def need a LB early in this draft. Wonder where he will end up falling in the draft.i've watched a few games of brady quinn play and i've watched maybe acouple of quartes of paul poz. play and paul puz. impressed he flies to the ball like urlacher thomas etc.i usually am a good judge of a player just by watching the film but alot of people in here seem to think he is a bust i don't think so the last two drafts my guys were manny lawson shawn merriman they turned to be good players

Stitches
11-01-2006, 04:46 PM
i've watched a few games of brady quinn play and i've watched maybe acouple of quartes of paul poz. play and paul puz. impressed he flies to the ball like urlacher thomas etc.i usually am a good judge of a player just by watching the film but alot of people in here seem to think he is a bust i don't think so the last two drafts my guys were manny lawson shawn merriman they turned to be good players

I haven't read anyone call Posluzny a bust. I'd like to see the analysis on that.

MrEd
11-01-2006, 04:53 PM
what lbs are fa this year that u claim well stocked?

thomas? briggs? (he wanst to be the highest paid LB so cancel him out)

Well, you already named two.

But can you name even one #1 WR or just one #1 LT? NOT

What I'm saying is that we are going to have all of free agency to pursue the OLBs in free agency. But there will be no #1 LT's to pursue or #1 WR's.

This is why I'm saying that those are the 2 main 1st day positions to look for in the draft.

Finfan53
11-01-2006, 05:03 PM
I love watching Poz play...gonna miss him when he leaves PSU. He certainly upholds the tradition of #31 there with Andre Collins and especially Shane Conlan.
Even Jack Ham said he is the best to ever play LB at Penn State and that is saying something considering how great Lavar Arrington was at PSU during his time there. I'd love to see Pozluzny in a Dolphins uniform....but wish him the best where ever he ends up

Stitches
11-01-2006, 05:10 PM
Well, you already named two.

But can you name even one #1 WR or just one #1 LT? NOT

What I'm saying is that we are going to have all of free agency to pursue the OLBs in free agency. But there will be no #1 LT's to pursue or #1 WR's.

This is why I'm saying that those are the 2 main 1st day positions to look for in the draft.

I know LT and WR are premier positions that we need to look for in the draft. But if we had some way to draft someone of Paul's caliber late in the first or even in the early second round, at this time you would have to consider pulling the trigger.

retarmyfinfan
11-01-2006, 09:21 PM
I think that that would be the most foolish thing that could be done. Why?

Because you don't use your 1st round pick on a position that is well stocked via free agency. You use it on the BPA regarding what the market is scarce on.

Exactly.

FrankieG
11-01-2006, 09:25 PM
Eh, it might be well stocked, but what would the price be to us? If we would end up with a mid to late first rounder and picking him with that, it then comes down to the question of whats more important to us: That draft pick or the costs to the salary cap of signing a top linebacker in free agency.

Crowder52
11-02-2006, 01:35 AM
I think that that would be the most foolish thing that could be done. Why?

Because you don't use your 1st round pick on a position that is well stocked via free agency. You use it on the BPA regarding what the market is scarce on.

You are making the (very foolish) assumption that we can just sign whatever free agents we want in the off-season, which just isn't true.

SR 7
11-02-2006, 05:00 AM
You are making the (very foolish) assumption that we can just sign whatever free agents we want in the off-season, which just isn't true.

exactly. briggs wants to be the highest lb and a WLB aint gettin that type of money