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MikeO
11-01-2006, 12:01 PM
Soriano to Philly

Ryan Madsen from Philly to NY for Sheffield

Crawford to White Sox for McCarthey

Nomar to SF

Glavine to stay in NY with the Mets

Houston interested in Sheffield and Carlos Lee

Red Sox to go after Julio Lugo

Mussiana doesn't want to go to the NL

Detroit doesn't want to keep Sean Casey

Motion
11-01-2006, 12:03 PM
Sheffield Trade in Place?

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6124630

MikeO
11-01-2006, 12:09 PM
Maybe its Ryan Madsen of Philly and maybe that rumor is true.

Philly has a way of handing away quality parts to NY for almost nothing!!! lol

Nappy Roots
11-01-2006, 12:18 PM
lmao. crawford for mccarthey?

hahahaha

Roman529
11-01-2006, 02:07 PM
Maybe its Ryan Madsen of Philly and maybe that rumor is true.

Philly has a way of handing away quality parts to NY for almost nothing!!! lol

You could say it is a two-way street Mike-O...The Phils top closer (Gordon)was a Yankee if I am not mistaken. We also dumped Billy Wags off on another NY team and we saw what Wags did in the playoffs. :lol: Soriano come on down, and hopefully the Phils can dump Burrell to the Rockies or elsewhere.

NJFINSFAN1
11-01-2006, 03:00 PM
Sheffield to the Phills would only happen if they don't get Soriano and would include Gavin Floyd

Glavine is on the verge of signing a two year contract to stay with the Mets as MikeO said. I think I heard 2 years 21 million.

Motion
11-01-2006, 03:18 PM
I heard Soriano wants to go to the Mets. He still owns a NY apartment from his Yankee days.

Perfect23
11-01-2006, 04:29 PM
Zito to reds what what

ChambersWI
11-01-2006, 04:30 PM
even though the Phils are offering Soriano a lot of money, I can't see him going there. IMO he's either going to be a Met, Angel, or my sleeper pick an Astro. The Mets and Stros will let him play 2B.

TheJetsBlow
11-01-2006, 04:51 PM
I heard Soriano wants to go to the Mets. He still owns a NY apartment from his Yankee days.


Man I'd love to see that. That would emphatically solve our hole at 2nd.

TheJetsBlow
11-01-2006, 04:53 PM
Zito to reds what what


Nah. I PRAY the Mets pony up the cash for Zito- but I'm sure he'll end up in the Bronx.

Slappy8800
11-01-2006, 05:16 PM
id KILL for zito to wear the pinstripes next year....be the second yankee jersey i buy

FIN-IN-RI
11-01-2006, 06:04 PM
Why WOULDN'T Mussina want to go to the NL???

Slappy8800
11-01-2006, 06:16 PM
Why WOULDN'T Mussina want to go to the NL???

doesnt wanna bat?

FIN-IN-RI
11-01-2006, 06:18 PM
doesnt wanna bat?

yea maybe good point

Perfect23
11-01-2006, 06:45 PM
Nah. I PRAY the Mets pony up the cash for Zito- but I'm sure he'll end up in the Bronx.


I herd that the Mets nor Yankees were not intrested in Zito

Perfect23
11-01-2006, 06:47 PM
doesnt wanna bat?

shoot he could play for Cincinnati now mattere how hard u hit the ball its gonna be a homerun in that ball park.

icephinfan
11-01-2006, 06:50 PM
Crawford for McCarthy. I would rather give up Vasquez for Crawford.

Nappy Roots
11-01-2006, 06:55 PM
Crawford for McCarthy. I would rather give up Vasquez for Crawford.


it would take alot more than mccarthy to get crawford........

ChambersWI
11-01-2006, 07:28 PM
Nah. I PRAY the Mets pony up the cash for Zito- but I'm sure he'll end up in the Bronx.


Yanks are going hard for that Japanese pitcher.

Also, a lot of people feel Zito will stay on the west coast (meaning he'll be an Angel,Dodger, or Padre)

Perfect23
11-01-2006, 07:29 PM
it would take alot more than mccarthy to get crawford........

No it wont I don't even think the white sox are getting a good deal in that trade

TheJetsBlow
11-01-2006, 08:32 PM
Yanks are going hard for that Japanese pitcher.

Also, a lot of people feel Zito will stay on the west coast (meaning he'll be an Angel,Dodger, or Padre)


I heard the Mets are after the Japanese guy as well, but just remember Boras is Zito's agent. He'll go to the highest bidder.

NJFINSFAN1
11-01-2006, 08:56 PM
I heard the Mets are after the Japanese guy as well, but just remember Boras is Zito's agent. He'll go to the highest bidder.

I doubt it after the last one!!!

unifiedtheory
11-01-2006, 10:40 PM
Zito to reds what what

I still think Zito ends up in San Diego.

dominizzo
11-01-2006, 10:46 PM
My Giants are interested In Nomar!! Not BAd!! I sure hope Barry stays!!


San fran needs pitching!! Zito should come in and sign Nomar we can be good

djfresh47
11-01-2006, 11:56 PM
With Uribe possibly being charged in the Dominican I think the White Sox maybe interested in bringing in a SS. Why would they trade their top pitching prospect who has been groomed to be in the rotation for a bat? Crawford would fit the type of player that Ozzie seemingly likes but I don't like that deal. I've read that Freddie Garcia is seemingly the odd man out of the Sox rotation next year so I expect him to be traded. Also the Sox should be trying to bring in a LF unless they're confident in having Anderson/Fields/Sweeney battle it out for 2 spots.

MikeO
11-02-2006, 01:48 AM
Why WOULDN'T Mussina want to go to the NL???

beats the hell out of me!

Maybe he doesn't want to go through learning an entire league of new hitters at this stage in his career. But my god, all AL pitchers who jump to the NL turn into world beaters!!

MikeO
11-02-2006, 01:49 AM
I herd that the Mets nor Yankees were not intrested in Zito

Yankees are going to sign the Japanesse pitcher. They can't get him and Zito.

DonShula84
11-02-2006, 02:04 AM
Come to Anaheim Soriano!

Motion
11-02-2006, 11:38 AM
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[URL="http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/116244949145570.xml&coll=1&thispage=2"]Cleveland and San Francisco join Houston as teams interested in trading for Gary Sheffield. (http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/116244949145570.xml&coll=1&thispage=2) The Yankees have until Sunday to pick up Sheffield's option for 2007 ($13 million, $4.5 million deferred) and seem intent to do so and trade him. Indians right fielders hit just 20 homers, tied for eighth in the AL. The Giants could lose outfielders Barry Bonds, Moises Alou and Steve Finley to free agency. Cashman said he has spoken with Rufus Williams, Sheffield's agent, but refused further comment. Williams did not return a call yesterday.

Only a few days left........

Nappy Roots
11-02-2006, 11:45 AM
No it wont I don't even think the white sox are getting a good deal in that trade




:lol:

SpurzN703
11-02-2006, 12:27 PM
I heard Soriano wants to go to the Mets. He still owns a NY apartment from his Yankee days.

where'd you hear that monstrosity? I'll make sure to boo his a$$ everytime he gets up to bat at RFK if he bails on the Nats like that.

Phinz4Life
11-02-2006, 12:33 PM
I don't want Zito in pinstripes. I've been on the Matsuzaka bandwagon for a while now.

like2god
11-02-2006, 12:45 PM
I don't want Zito in pinstripes. I've been on the Matsuzaka bandwagon for a while now.
My only problem with the Yanks going after the Japanese pitcher is that their game doesn't always translate in the MLB. I would much rather the Yanks sign a guy that has proved that he can pitch in the Majors (Zito) than sinking a boatload of cash in an unknown. I guess I still have Irabu shock. :(

.

MikeO
11-02-2006, 12:53 PM
My only problem with the Yanks going after the Japanese pitcher is that their game doesn't always translate in the MLB. I would much rather the Yanks sign a guy that has proved that he can pitch in the Majors (Zito) than sinking a boatload of cash in an unknown. I guess I still have Irabu shock. :(

.

This guy will either be Ichiro/Matsui (the real deal) or he will be Kaz/Irabu (busts)

If the reports are real it is at least worth the shot. Especially when money isn't an issue!!

Motion
11-02-2006, 01:03 PM
where'd you hear that monstrosity? I'll make sure to boo his a$$ everytime he gets up to bat at RFK if he bails on the Nats like that.

:lol: FoxSports Rumor section

Motion
11-02-2006, 01:09 PM
The Mariners are saving their money to chase Barry Zito (http://www.nypost.com/seven/11022006/sports/matsuzaka_bidding_to_begin_sports_george_king.htm), according to the NY Post.


Though Phils GM Pat Gillick would not confirm it, team and league sources have indicated that their No.1 target will be outfielder Alfonso Soriano. (http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/sports/15907902.htm) They want his power bat to protect young lefty slugger Ryan Howard. Sources said the Phillies could offer as much as $15 million a season over 5 years, though published reports say Soriano will want $17 million per over 7 years, a deal like Carlos Beltran got from the Mets 2 years ago. Expect the Phillies to let the market set itself before plunging into a bidding war for Soriano. Published reports have the well-heeled Mets both interested and uninterested in Soriano. Failure to sign Soriano or land Sheffield could move the Phillies to pursue Cubs free-agent third baseman Aramis Ramirez.



The high-stakes bidding for Japanese pitching star Daisuke Matsuzaka could begin as early as today, though the Orioles still haven't decided whether to be a part of it. The Orioles have gotten great reports on Matsuzaka and are interested in the 26-year-old right-hander, who was 17-5 with a 2.13 ERA for the Seibu Lions this past season and was the Most Valuable Player of the inaugural World Baseball Classic. However, the pitcher's price tag - the cost to earn just the right to negotiate with Matsuzaka could be more than $30 million - has certainly made the Orioles' decision whether to get involved in the process a difficult one. (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-sp.orioles01nov01,1,7087463,print.story?coll=bal-sports-baseball) "We are considering putting in a bid," said executive vice president Mike Flanagan, declining to offer any more details.


The Angels also have identified free-agent third baseman Aramis Ramirez as a top priority (http://www.latimes.com/sports/printedition/la-sp-angels2nov02,1,4536156.story?coll=la-headlines-pe-sports), and if they can land the slugger as well as Matthews, they probably would look to trade speedy leadoff batter Chone Figgins for bullpen help.

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[URL="http://www.nypost.com/seven/11022006/sports/matsuzaka_bidding_to_begin_sports_george_king.htm"]There are some Yankee voices who believe that amount of money may be better spent on free agent Jason Schmidt (http://www.nypost.com/seven/11022006/sports/matsuzaka_bidding_to_begin_sports_george_king.htm), who was 11-9 with a 3.59 ERA in 32 starts for the Giants a year ago when he made $10.5 million. He is 127-90 with a 3.91 ERA career-wise. The Yankees also have talked internally about Cardinals righty Jeff Suppan, who filed for free agency yesterday.


The Yankees' Derek Jeter, and not the Twins' Justin Morneau, is expected to be announced soon as the American League's MVP (http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/15906443.htm), and the Detroit Tigers' Jim Leyland, and not the Twins' Ron Gardenhire, is expected to be AL manager of the year.

http://www.benmaller.com/

dominizzo
11-02-2006, 02:27 PM
Motion any newd for the Giants?

NJFINSFAN1
11-02-2006, 02:34 PM
The New York Post speculates that Rich Aurilia could be making a move to New York. Aurilla has a $2 million option the Reds will most likely turn down and both the Mets and the Yankees are looking for permanent infielders – the Mets at second base and the Yankees at first base. Agent Barry Axelrod said, "Rich wants to play for a contender and wants to, if possible, play just one position. Both New York teams qualify for what he is looking for."



Sources told PhillyBurbs.com that the club is prepared to offer $75 million over five seasons for Alfonso Soriano. However, Washington Post sources say Soriano is looking for a deal close to that given to center fielder Carlos Beltran in 2005 -- $119 million over seven years. If the Phillies don’t get Soriano, they could try to acquire Yankees outfielder Garry Sheffield.

Motion
11-02-2006, 03:07 PM
Motion any newd for the Giants?

[/URL]
[URL="http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/116244949145570.xml&coll=1&thispage=2"]Cleveland and San Francisco join Houston as teams interested in trading for Gary Sheffield. (http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/116244949145570.xml&coll=1&thispage=2) The Yankees have until Sunday to pick up Sheffield's option for 2007 ($13 million, $4.5 million deferred) and seem intent to do so and trade him. Indians right fielders hit just 20 homers, tied for eighth in the AL. The Giants could lose outfielders Barry Bonds, Moises Alou and Steve Finley to free agency. Cashman said he has spoken with Rufus Williams, Sheffield's agent, but refused further comment. Williams did not return a call yesterday.


Barry Bonds' agent said he has spoken recently with several clubs about the seven-time MVP, but not the Giants. "Teams are interested in him," said Jeff Borris, who declined to name the clubs but said at least one was from the National League. (http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/sports/baseball/mlb/san_francisco_giants/15909029.htm) Borris also declined to say who picked up the phone first. Major league sources expect the market for Bonds to develop very slowly, if at all. Two American League clubs that need a left-handed hitter consider Bonds an emergency name to revisit if all other strategies to add offense miss the mark.


The Giants have hired a high-profile scout who spent 10 years with the Yankees, focused primarily on the Pacific Rim, and had a hand in bringing Japanese outfielder Hideki Matsui and Taiwanese pitcher Chien-Ming Wang to New York. The scout, John Cox, and Giants director of international operations, Rick Ragazzo, are in Japan this week to watch the exhibition series between a major-league all-star team (managed by Bochy) and Japanese all-stars. (http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/11/02/SPGS3M4JUB1.DTL) They also are gathering information about which Japanese players might be available to sign with big-league teams for 2007.

:D

NJFINSFAN1
11-02-2006, 04:11 PM
:D

That would be like trading one headache (Bonds) for a huge stomach ache (Sheff):lol:

Roman529
11-02-2006, 05:17 PM
Sources told PhillyBurbs.com that the club is prepared to offer $75 million over five seasons for Alfonso Soriano. However, Washington Post sources say Soriano is looking for a deal close to that given to center fielder Carlos Beltran in 2005 -- $119 million over seven years. If the Phillies don’t get Soriano, they could try to acquire Yankees outfielder Garry Sheffield.

:couch2: PHILS WIN THE NL EAST IN 2007 :tongue:

Perfect23
11-02-2006, 05:57 PM
beats the hell out of me!

Maybe he doesn't want to go through learning an entire league of new hitters at this stage in his career. But my god, all AL pitchers who jump to the NL turn into world beaters!!

Just look at Bronsan Arroyo

djfresh47
11-02-2006, 07:53 PM
beats the hell out of me!

Maybe he doesn't want to go through learning an entire league of new hitters at this stage in his career. But my god, all AL pitchers who jump to the NL turn into world beaters!!

Mark Mulder and Tim Hudson have not been as good. Although Carpenter who I think played with the Blue Jays turned into one of the best pitchers in the game. Jeff Weaver was lights out during the postseason but he wasn't even good enough to be on an AL roster during the regular season. I don't know why any pitcher would rather face a DH than a pitcher.

djfresh47
11-02-2006, 07:59 PM
:lol:

I don't know how Crawford makes the Sox better. He's an upgrade in CF but the Sox can still score runs and Anderson is fine defensively in CF. The problem was the pitching staff so replacing an ineffective pitcher with a highly touted guy who has been groomed to be a starter would make Chicago a better team. Crawford is a good player but Chicago needs pitching so bringing him in would be another awful move by Williams. If Kenny did not trade Chris Young for Vazquez than Chicago would already be set in CF and McCarthy would be in the rotation. After winning the ring last year people were congratulating Williams who I think has one division title in his time as Sox GM. He isn't afraid to make a move but it seems like he's missed alot and this was the first year I can remember that they did not trade for Carl Everett.

DonShula84
11-02-2006, 08:21 PM
The Angels also have identified free-agent third baseman Aramis Ramirez as a top priority (http://www.latimes.com/sports/printedition/la-sp-angels2nov02,1,4536156.story?coll=la-headlines-pe-sports), and if they can land the slugger as well as Matthews, they probably would look to trade speedy leadoff batter Chone Figgins for bullpen help.

I would be very happy with that.

MikeO
11-03-2006, 12:54 AM
Mark Mulder and Tim Hudson have not been as good. Although Carpenter who I think played with the Blue Jays turned into one of the best pitchers in the game. Jeff Weaver was lights out during the postseason but he wasn't even good enough to be on an AL roster during the regular season. I don't know why any pitcher would rather face a DH than a pitcher.

Mulder was good until he got hurt though...

Clemens
Pettite
Pedro
Arroyo
Tom Gordon

Just a few guys off the top of my head who improved their numbers by switching leagues and all except for Arroyo did so at late in their careers

BAMAPHIN 22
11-03-2006, 10:45 AM
Rogers, I-Rod among AL Gold Glovers


After all those errors in the World Series, a Detroit Tigers (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/teams/tigers) pitcher won a Gold Glove.

Kenny Rogers (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/players/3974), whose smudged left hand created a lot of suspicion during the World Series, won his fourth straight Gold Glove on Thursday and fifth overall.
Detroit pitchers made five errors during the Tigers' five-game loss to the St. Louis Cardinals, four on bad throws and another on a botched comebacker.

No other pitching staff had made more than three errors during a Series.

Rogers did not have any fielding fumbles, but he did have a brownish smudge on his pitching hand in the first inning of Game 2. Whether it was dirt, pine tar or something else may never be known _ St. Louis Cardinals manager Tony La Russa never urged umpires to check Rogers' hand and instead merely asked them to make sure whatever it was went away.

The hand was clean when he came out for the second, Rogers went on to pitch shutout ball through the eighth and Detroit won 3-1 _ its only victory of the Series. Rogers, who pitched 23 scoreless innings in the postseason, was poised to start Game 6 but Detroit lost to the Cardinals in five games.
Tigers teammate Ivan Rodriguez (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/players/4680) won his 12th Gold Glove, extending his record for catchers. Seattle right fielder Ichiro Suzuki (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/players/6615), Minnesota center fielder Torii Hunter (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/players/5884) and Oakland third baseman Eric Chavez (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/players/6114) won the awards for the sixth straight season.

Yankees shortstop Derek Jeter (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/players/5406) and Toronto center fielder Vernon Wells (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/players/6327) won for the third time in a row, Texas first baseman Mark Teixeira (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/players/6788) won for the second consecutive season and Kansas City second baseman Mark Grudzielanek (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/players/5359) was a first-time winner.

Chavez and Rodriguez each earned $100,000 bonuses for winning Gold Gloves, while Rogers gets $75,000. Grudzielanek, Suzuki and Wells get $50,000 apiece and Hunter receives $25,000.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/baseball/mlb/11/02/bc.bba.algoldgloves.ap/index.html

Motion
11-03-2006, 10:58 AM
:woot: for Jeter

MikeO
11-03-2006, 11:17 AM
I said months ago Jeter would win a GOLD GLOVE and everyone told me I was nuts!!

MikeO correct again! LOL

UCFinfan86
11-03-2006, 01:51 PM
I wish the gold glove was truly what it was. The best defensive player at each position.

FIN-IN-RI
11-03-2006, 04:50 PM
I said months ago Jeter would win a GOLD GLOVE and everyone told me I was nuts!!

MikeO correct again! LOL

But Jeter wasn't better defensively than Gonzalez this season.

Ray Finkle
11-03-2006, 05:44 PM
But Jeter wasn't better defensively than Gonzalez this season.

No, Jeter wasn't even better defensively than Juan Uribe, but it's a popularity contest not about true skills. Having watch a lot of both Gonzo and Jeter, I'd take Gonzo's glove and range over Jeter any day of the week and that's not the homer in my talking it's a fact. Gonzo is the best defensive SS in baseball hands down.

Of course other guys got screwed out of GG awards too this year (Mark Ellis anyone?) but like I said before it's all about names.

icephinfan
11-03-2006, 06:33 PM
No, Jeter wasn't even better defensively than Juan Uribe, but it's a popularity contest not about true skills. Having watch a lot of both Gonzo and Jeter, I'd take Gonzo's glove and range over Jeter any day of the week and that's not the homer in my talking it's a fact. Gonzo is the best defensive SS in baseball hands down.

Of course other guys got screwed out of GG awards too this year (Mark Ellis anyone?) but like I said before it's all about names.


Yep.

Nappy Roots
11-03-2006, 06:34 PM
I said months ago Jeter would win a GOLD GLOVE and everyone told me I was nuts!!

MikeO correct again! LOL


you also said a while ago tht the Cards would be lucky to win 1 game in the playoffs...

Ray Finkle
11-03-2006, 07:16 PM
you also said a while ago tht the Cards would be lucky to win 1 game in the playoffs...

:lol:

How quickly that gets forgotten huh?

RWhitney014
11-03-2006, 07:51 PM
I don't know what you guys are talking about. Mike's always right.

unifiedtheory
11-03-2006, 11:21 PM
Mark Ellis should have been a no brainer choice for the Gold Glove. Oh well, at least Chavvy won it again and his was well deserved.

unifiedtheory
11-03-2006, 11:22 PM
No, Jeter wasn't even better defensively than Juan Uribe, but it's a popularity contest not about true skills. Having watch a lot of both Gonzo and Jeter, I'd take Gonzo's glove and range over Jeter any day of the week and that's not the homer in my talking it's a fact. Gonzo is the best defensive SS in baseball hands down.

Of course other guys got screwed out of GG awards too this year (Mark Ellis anyone?) but like I said before it's all about names.

I think you secretly love the Oakland A's. :wink::tongue:

MikeO
11-04-2006, 12:54 AM
I don't know what you guys are talking about. Mike's always right.

See, someone get's it!!:D

Ray Finkle
11-04-2006, 01:36 AM
I think you secretly love the Oakland A's. :wink::tongue:

:lol:

I'm a big fan of their players (I love Harden, Dusch and Street) and GM. I respect the way they go about playing the game and yes I do root for them to do well (when they're not playing the Red Sox of course). I'm also a big fan of the Angels too.

djfresh47
11-04-2006, 01:40 AM
No, Jeter wasn't even better defensively than Juan Uribe, but it's a popularity contest not about true skills. Having watch a lot of both Gonzo and Jeter, I'd take Gonzo's glove and range over Jeter any day of the week and that's not the homer in my talking it's a fact. Gonzo is the best defensive SS in baseball hands down.

Of course other guys got screwed out of GG awards too this year (Mark Ellis anyone?) but like I said before it's all about names.

Uribe had some struggles this year. He's not a name like Jeter so he's not going to get the award. I think Gonzo is a better defensive SS than Jeter but as dumb as it is offensive numbers count for the award. I watched more of Crede than Chavez so I can't make a great arguement on why he deserved the gold glove; Although Aaron Roward was the best defensive CF in the AL last year but because he wasn't a name guy he got no consideration.

King Felix
11-04-2006, 06:28 AM
i can't believe ichiro got a gold glove this year

phunwin
11-04-2006, 08:40 AM
AUGH! No more Gold Glove talk! This is an offseason rumor thread. Go start a Gold Glove thread somewhere else!

Aurilia at second for the Mets? We've already got an old, offense-first, defense-later second baseman in Jose Valentin. Aurilia's probably an upgrade, if they don't spend too much for him. However, I'd make sure Soriano doesn't insist on moving back to second before making that deal. Sounds like the Mets will be frontrunners for Soriano, and I'm wondering if he won't insist on a move back there.

Edit: I know it won't happen, but I'd love to see the Mets sign Piazza as a backup catcher and designated pinch hitter.

MikeO
11-04-2006, 12:17 PM
If Pedro retires that really hurts the Mets.

I know he is out till July anyway, but they invested a lot of money into him and have a lot riding on him.

phunwin
11-04-2006, 01:15 PM
If Pedro retires that really hurts the Mets.

I know he is out till July anyway, but they invested a lot of money into him and have a lot riding on him.

The problem is that if he retires, I doubt he'll retire until June-July at the earliest when he's got an idea about how his shoulder is. And even then, I personally think he'd wait until NEXT offseason to retire.

If Pedro retired right now, that honestly wouldn't be a terrible thing, as much as I hate to say it. There's no way on God's green earth he's going to be worth the $28 million that he's due in 2007 and 2008. I'd be just as happy to see that money freed up and see the team offer Zito the 5 years and $75 million Boras is demanding. He couldn't be a worse long-term investment than Martinez was. (I believe the Mets figured they'd get two great years, one decent one and one write-off in a four year deal for Pedro. Instead, they've gotten 1 1/4 great ones, 1/4 crummy one and one write-off so far.)

Ray Finkle
11-04-2006, 01:18 PM
If Pedro retires that really hurts the Mets.

I know he is out till July anyway, but they invested a lot of money into him and have a lot riding on him.

I don't believe Pedro will retire for a second. There's just too much money on the table for him to walk away. Pedro is one of the smartest guys in baseball, he won't do it.

My take on the situation is this: Liriano's name has been all over the news about being out for the 2007, so Pedro, being the diva that he is, is mad his name isn't in the news like in has in the past few days comes out with this story. It's just Pedro trying to get back into the headlines. I wouldn't read into it at all.

dob72
11-05-2006, 05:06 AM
But Jeter wasn't better defensively than Gonzalez this season.
seabass has been robbed the last 3 years too i thought for sure he would get it this year being on boston

MikeO
11-05-2006, 10:39 AM
Mets are very interested and are expected to sign Mark Mulder according to reports

The Yanks will sign Mussina to a 2 year deal and keep him around

phunwin
11-05-2006, 11:15 AM
Mets are very interested and are expected to sign Mark Mulder according to reports

The Yanks will sign Mussina to a 2 year deal and keep him around

Good. Mulder and Pedro can swap rotator cuff rehab tips.

FIN-IN-RI
11-05-2006, 11:24 AM
Mets, yanks and sox for Matsuzaka... Did you know he has a pitch that breaks to the left??

I wonder who wins the bidding. :rolleyes:

FinsNYanksFan13
11-05-2006, 11:40 AM
Mets, yanks and sox for Matsuzaka... Did you know he has a pitch that breaks to the left??

I wonder who wins the bidding. :rolleyes:


If the Yankees are truly in it, their going to win, plain and simple!

FIN-IN-RI
11-05-2006, 01:19 PM
If the Yankees are truly in it, their going to win, plain and simple!

Are the bids open to the public? I mean, if NYY bids and the Mets or Sox bid higher, how will the NYY know?

FinsNYanksFan13
11-05-2006, 01:33 PM
Are the bids open to the public? I mean, if NYY bids and the Mets or Sox bid higher, how will the NYY know?


Yeah it's a silent auction but if the Yankees really want this kid their going to lay down chips the Mets and Red Sox won't even come close to approaching. If they want this kid bad enough their going to bid 35 million or something ridiculous like that. It's just how the Yankees work, if they want him they'll get him. On top of that once the numbers are in their going to ask him his preference and if his preference is the Yankees (which all indications say it is) then they'll find a way to make it happen. This is why it's a silent auction. If the Red Sox bid 30 million and the Yankees bid 28 and this kid wants to go to the Yankees they'll find a silent way to get 31 million from the Yankees if you know what I mean!

RWhitney014
11-05-2006, 07:02 PM
Yeah it's a silent auction but if the Yankees really want this kid their going to lay down chips the Mets and Red Sox won't even come close to approaching. If they want this kid bad enough their going to bid 35 million or something ridiculous like that. It's just how the Yankees work, if they want him they'll get him. On top of that once the numbers are in their going to ask him his preference and if his preference is the Yankees (which all indications say it is) then they'll find a way to make it happen. This is why it's a silent auction. If the Red Sox bid 30 million and the Yankees bid 28 and this kid wants to go to the Yankees they'll find a silent way to get 31 million from the Yankees if you know what I mean!

I thought I remembered reading that it was like the NFL supplemental draft. IIRC, you don't know how much the other teams bid, you just offer the amount of money you think it would take.

King Felix
11-05-2006, 07:12 PM
mariners should try and get him. im sure he'd love to play with ichiro and johjima

Ray Finkle
11-05-2006, 08:14 PM
I thought I remembered reading that it was like the NFL supplemental draft. IIRC, you don't know how much the other teams bid, you just offer the amount of money you think it would take.

You're right that's how it works. But I think we'd be naive to think that deals don't get made under the table. I'm sure the highest bid will be leaked out an hour or so before the deadline (Yankees already said they won't make a bid until 10 minutes until the deadline).

MikeO
11-05-2006, 08:46 PM
This kid's agent is Boras. Nuff said. If another team offers more than the Yanks .........Boras knowing the Yanks have no limit will just make it happen.

He will wind up with the Yanks!

Roman529
11-05-2006, 09:15 PM
This kid's agent is Boras. Nuff said. If another team offers more than the Yanks .........Boras knowing the Yanks have no limit will just make it happen.

He will wind up with the Yanks!

Hey MikeO...could you shoot me a PM when the Phillies get Soriano or Sheff?
Thanks. :tongue:

MikeO
11-05-2006, 11:29 PM
Hey MikeO...could you shoot me a PM when the Phillies get Soriano or Sheff?
Thanks. :tongue:

Dude I just post rumors that are in the newspaper. I never said either would happen :shakeno: :shakeno: :shakeno: :shakeno: :shakeno:

GreenMonster
11-06-2006, 12:12 AM
Yeah it's a silent auction but if the Yankees really want this kid their going to lay down chips the Mets and Red Sox won't even come close to approaching. If they want this kid bad enough their going to bid 35 million or something ridiculous like that. It's just how the Yankees work, if they want him they'll get him. On top of that once the numbers are in their going to ask him his preference and if his preference is the Yankees (which all indications say it is) then they'll find a way to make it happen. This is why it's a silent auction. If the Red Sox bid 30 million and the Yankees bid 28 and this kid wants to go to the Yankees they'll find a silent way to get 31 million from the Yankees if you know what I mean!

Yes and this gives you no unfair advantage.. if you know what I mean..

FinsNYanksFan13
11-06-2006, 12:39 AM
Yes and this gives you no unfair advantage.. if you know what I mean..


I didn't say it was right but at the same time business is business!

RWhitney014
11-06-2006, 12:42 AM
This kid's agent is Boras. Nuff said. If another team offers more than the Yanks .........Boras knowing the Yanks have no limit will just make it happen.

He will wind up with the Yanks!

You're not getting this. The only party that knows what each team bid is the league. The individual teams just bid the amount they think is necessary without any knowledge of what the other teams did. Boras has no control over it.

If he did, guys like Johjima and Ichiro and Shinji Mori and on and on and on would have all been in pinstripes.

MikeO
11-06-2006, 01:15 AM
You're not getting this. The only party that knows what each team bid is the league. The individual teams just bid the amount they think is necessary without any knowledge of what the other teams did. Boras has no control over it.

If he did, guys like Johjima and Ichiro and Shinji Mori and on and on and on would have all been in pinstripes.

you guys are so naive its funny!!!

NJFINSFAN1
11-06-2006, 09:03 AM
Big rumors that Texas will overbid everyone for the rights to the Japanese pitcher floating around.

Motion
11-06-2006, 10:06 AM
Gary Sheffield - #11 - Right Field - 6'0" - 215lbs
News: Yankees exercised outfielder Gary Sheffield's $13 million option for 2007.
Impact: The plan is for Sheffield to be fairly soon, but the Yankees are still waiting for the right offer after reportedly turning down Kris Benson from the Orioles. The Astros, Indians, Rangers, Phillies, Padres and Tigers are believed to be interested. (Sun. Nov 5, 2006)

Mike Mussina - #35 - Pitcher - 6'2" - 190lbs
News: Mike Mussina said Saturday that he believes he'll soon have a finalized deal with the Yankees.
Impact: Negotiations are proceeding so well that Mussina hasn't even filed for free agency yet. "Everything's going fine," he said. "We're getting there. I'm confident we'll work something out." Mussina is expected to get at least $20 million for two years. (Sun. Nov 5, 2006)

:)

phunwin
11-06-2006, 10:43 AM
You're not getting this. The only party that knows what each team bid is the league. The individual teams just bid the amount they think is necessary without any knowledge of what the other teams did. Boras has no control over it.

If he did, guys like Johjima and Ichiro and Shinji Mori and on and on and on would have all been in pinstripes.

The league may be the only party that KNOWS, but Boras has enough connections and enough inside info to have a pretty educated guess as to what teams are planning to bid. In theory, he could tell the Yankees, "hey, word is that the Mets are the high bidder at $25M."

Would he actually do this? I doubt it. Boras has a rep as a hard negotiator and a man who gets every last dime for his clients. But, part of the reason he can do that is because he, to everything I've heard, operates on the up-and-up. If he started feeding confidential info to one team or another, his rep would be shot, and he's got enough enemies that retribution, be it a huge fine, suspension from practice or (long shot) decertification by the MLBPA, would be swift and assured.

If Boras REALLY wanted to steer Matsuzaka to the Yankees, he'd simply say that his client didn't want to play for anyone else. And if something happened where another team won the bidding, Boras would simply tell that team "he's only playing in the Bronx. You're welcome to trade your bidding rights to them." Remember The Fat, ***** Toad...er, Hideki Irabu. (Edit: In this context, ***** is not the slang for a woman's private area, or a reference to a four-legged furry animal, but rather a reference to being full of pus...which is arguably worse. That George Steinbrenner is quite a wordsmith.)

But if Boras did that, he'd be painting himself into a corner. The bid price would be lower, and the Yankees, shrewd negotiators that they are, wouldn't be paying top dollar for Matsuzaka. Boras would get a rep as being beholden to the Yankees, which is the LAST thing he wants.

So, conspiracy theories are well and good, but in reality, the downside to Boras being in cahoots with the Yankees is too great for a smart guy like him to risk. Especially when the Yankees will probably shoot the moon with a bid in the first place, and thus get the desired outcome in a completely legal manner.

MikeO
11-06-2006, 01:54 PM
Rangers to talk about trading Mark Texeria to Detroit.

Rumor in today's Detriot News

NJFINSFAN1
11-06-2006, 05:14 PM
The St. Petersburg Times reported whispers the Mets might be ready to trade pitcher Aaron Heilman mean the Rays, who have coveted Heilman as a starter, could pursue him.



The New York Post reported the Yankees intend to sign Mike Mussina to a two-year contract and trade Gary Sheffield to initiate an offseason plan in which they will emphasize upgrading their rotation, bullpen, catching and, if possible, farm system. The Astros, Padres, Rangers, Indians and Tigers have shown the strongest interest in Sheffield. Among the free agents who could intrigue the Yankees are Detroit pitcher Wil Ledezma, San Diego reliever Scott Linebrink and Texas catcher Gerald Laird.







The New York Post reported Mark Loretta might be one of the Mets' top choices to play second base. They have shown more interest in him than any other club so far, Loretta's agent said

Nappy Roots
11-06-2006, 05:38 PM
heilman has been linked to the rays forever now, and i can not understand it. im not a fan of his and wouldnt be happy if we gave up anything worth a **** for him.

RWhitney014
11-06-2006, 06:51 PM
The league may be the only party that KNOWS, but Boras has enough connections and enough inside info to have a pretty educated guess as to what teams are planning to bid. In theory, he could tell the Yankees, "hey, word is that the Mets are the high bidder at $25M."

Would he actually do this? I doubt it. Boras has a rep as a hard negotiator and a man who gets every last dime for his clients. But, part of the reason he can do that is because he, to everything I've heard, operates on the up-and-up. If he started feeding confidential info to one team or another, his rep would be shot, and he's got enough enemies that retribution, be it a huge fine, suspension from practice or (long shot) decertification by the MLBPA, would be swift and assured.

If Boras REALLY wanted to steer Matsuzaka to the Yankees, he'd simply say that his client didn't want to play for anyone else. And if something happened where another team won the bidding, Boras would simply tell that team "he's only playing in the Bronx. You're welcome to trade your bidding rights to them." Remember The Fat, ***** Toad...er, Hideki Irabu. (Edit: In this context, ***** is not the slang for a woman's private area, or a reference to a four-legged furry animal, but rather a reference to being full of pus...which is arguably worse. That George Steinbrenner is quite a wordsmith.)

But if Boras did that, he'd be painting himself into a corner. The bid price would be lower, and the Yankees, shrewd negotiators that they are, wouldn't be paying top dollar for Matsuzaka. Boras would get a rep as being beholden to the Yankees, which is the LAST thing he wants.

So, conspiracy theories are well and good, but in reality, the downside to Boras being in cahoots with the Yankees is too great for a smart guy like him to risk. Especially when the Yankees will probably shoot the moon with a bid in the first place, and thus get the desired outcome in a completely legal manner.

Well, Phil, according to Mike, you're naive. Shame on you.

Really, the only true leverage Boras has on where he ends up is this: just because a team wins the posting doesn't mean Matsuzaka wears their uniform next season. Whichever team wins simply gets 30 days of sole negotiating rights with him. After that 30 days, if there's no deal, he returns to Japan next season. Then, after 2007, he's a FA and can go wherever he wants, and the team, say, the Royals, as an extreme example, that just spent on $30 million on the right to be told "no" is SOL.

That's a powerful thing for Boras to have, but he can not prevent the hypothetical Royals from winning the posting.

UCFinfan86
11-06-2006, 11:51 PM
Barry bonds to oakland??? Im just glad its not boston

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-onbaseball-freeagents&prov=ap&type=lgns

RWhitney014
11-07-2006, 12:02 AM
Barry bonds to oakland??? Im just glad its not boston

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-onbaseball-freeagents&prov=ap&type=lgns

Boston? Who ever mentioned Boston? They already have a pretty good LF and DH from what I hear.

UCFinfan86
11-07-2006, 12:46 AM
Boston? Who ever mentioned Boston? They already have a pretty good LF and DH from what I hear.

no one said he was going to boston, i just said im glad that he won't be going there, i wouldnt want him associated with a team i root for was all i was getting at

MikeO
11-07-2006, 02:35 AM
Boston doesn't sign old guys. And they consider old guys to be in the early 30s!! They wouldn't even ever think of Barry. You don't sign Damon but then go get Barry??!! That would go over like a fart in church in Boston!!


Not to mention the fans would have nothing to chant at Giambi if they went out and got Bonds!

MikeO
11-07-2006, 02:37 AM
Well, Phil, according to Mike, you're naive. Shame on you.

Really, the only true leverage Boras has on where he ends up is this: just because a team wins the posting doesn't mean Matsuzaka wears their uniform next season. Whichever team wins simply gets 30 days of sole negotiating rights with him. After that 30 days, if there's no deal, he returns to Japan next season. Then, after 2007, he's a FA and can go wherever he wants, and the team, say, the Royals, as an extreme example, that just spent on $30 million on the right to be told "no" is SOL.

That's a powerful thing for Boras to have, but he can not prevent the hypothetical Royals from winning the posting.
It is naive.

Boras is running this whole thing. To think otherwise is being naive. Before any team places a bid you don't think they will talk to Boras. Say.."hey if we meet the price tag would he be happy coming to this part of the world"

Odds are Boras is going to say, he really wants to be in NY or Seattle or a major market with a japanese culture close by . So, no Cubs (just for example) you probably shouldn't place a bid.

unifiedtheory
11-07-2006, 02:38 AM
Barry bonds to oakland??? Im just glad its not boston

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-onbaseball-freeagents&prov=ap&type=lgns

I will SOOOOOOOOOO pass on that.

UCFinfan86
11-07-2006, 09:32 AM
Boston doesn't sign old guys. And they consider old guys to be in the early 30s!! They wouldn't even ever think of Barry. You don't sign Damon but then go get Barry??!! That would go over like a fart in church in Boston!!


Not to mention the fans would have nothing to chant at Giambi if they went out and got Bonds!

are you blind?? did you not see where i said i never thought they would sign him? Did you not read the part where i said i was just glad that it wasn't even a possibility??

FinsNYanksFan13
11-07-2006, 11:18 AM
It is naive.

Boras is running this whole thing. To think otherwise is being naive. Before any team places a bid you don't think they will talk to Boras. Say.."hey if we meet the price tag would he be happy coming to this part of the world"

Odds are Boras is going to say, he really wants to be in NY or Seattle or a major market with a japanese culture close by . So, no Cubs (just for example) you probably shouldn't place a bid.


Exactly. It's a silent auction for a reason, no one will actually know who really won. If it was an auction with teams bidding then we all would know who won and this kid would be stuck with whoever won. With it being a silent auction it allows for behind the scenes negotiating to happen and ensures that this kid is going to go where he wants to go, not to whoever is the highest bidder for his services!

MikeO
11-07-2006, 11:47 AM
are you blind?? did you not see where i said i never thought they would sign him? Did you not read the part where i said i was just glad that it wasn't even a possibility??

and yet you STILL brought it up. So I responded! :shakeno:

Motion
11-07-2006, 01:07 PM
Two old New York friends filed for free agency yesterday and though neither Roger Clemens nor Andy Pettitte has decided whether to play next season, the Yankees intend to inquire about both, according to a team source (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/468910p-394619c.html). The Yankees have talked internally about pursuing Pettitte, who left the Bronx after the 2003 season to sign with his hometown team, the Astros. And Pettitte apparently has told confidants that he would consider a return to New York, if he does continue to play. But nothing has been decided according to agent Randy Hendricks, who along with his bother, Alan, represents both players. "We will listen to anyone who calls," Hendricks said in an E-mail yesterday. "Neither player has decided whether he will play next year."

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The latest player to be tied to the Tigers' interest is Yankees outfielder Gary Sheffield (http://detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061107/SPORTS0104/611070369/1004/SPORTS), a 38-year-old slugger who has 455 career home runs and a .297 lifetime average. Sheffield, whose $13 million option for 2007 was picked up by the Yankees, played for Tigers manager Jim Leyland when both were with Florida. The Yankees are believed to be dangling Sheffield, who wants a multiyear contract.


All indications are that the Rangers plan to bid for Daisuke Matsuzaka, who some say rivals Barry Zito and Jason Schmidt as the top pitcher on the market. (http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/15949086.htm) The process of signing Matsuzaka is murkier than that of signing his counterparts, however, as teams generally try to downplay their interest so as not to tip their hand or drive bids up. "We're looking at it," Hicks said by phone Monday. "It's going to be a very competitive process." It's a competition the Rangers will participate in. Hicks declined to go into detail, and general manager Jon Daniels consistently passes on commenting on specific non-Rangers players. But Rangers director of international/pro scouting A.J. Preller has traveled to Japan several times in recent months to see Matsuzaka pitch, and the Rangers readily acknowledge they are in the market for frontline starting pitching.


[URL="http://www.bizjournals.com/eastbay/stories/2006/11/06/daily10.html?b=1162789200%5E1372371"]The Oakland Athletics and Cisco Systems Inc., the San Jose Internet networking giant, are reportedly close to announcing a deal to move the team to Fremont. (http://www.bizjournals.com/eastbay/stories/2006/11/06/daily10.html?b=1162789200%5E1372371) A's owner Lewis Wolff has been in talks with Cisco to purchase 143 acres of empty land the technology company has held for a number of years in a lease. Bud Selig, commissioner of Major League Baseball, is expected to be in the Bay Area for the Nov. 14 announcement. Wolff has expressed an interest in building a multi-use development on the site along Interstate 880 south of Auto Mall Parkway, including a baseball stadium along with housing and retail shops.

:D

unifiedtheory
11-07-2006, 08:56 PM
I'm so happy the A's are finally getting a new ballpark.

The thing I wonder about is when will this effect their spending. Hopefully sooner then later.

ChambersWI
11-07-2006, 09:07 PM
rumors are the Padres are going after Barry Zito hard. In fact, it is said to be Zito's preference to sign with either the Padres or the Dodgers.

ChambersWI
11-07-2006, 09:12 PM
http://www.nypost.com/php/pfriendly/print....oel_sherman.htm

TRICKS OF THE TRADE
By JOEL SHERMAN

November 5, 2006 -- There is a general feeling about this free-agent market: It is underwhelming and overpriced. You may like elements such as Barry Zito or Alfonso Soriano, but basic supply-and-demand says they are going to run a fortune and help raise the costs on the next level of player, such as Ted Lilly and Gary Matthews Jr.

"There is a lot of money in the game right now, which means a lot of bidding on the few crumbs in free agency," one NL executive said, "so that means just add 10 to 20 percent on whatever you thought you were going to pay for any free agent."

That is why the trade market is so attractive right now. Well, that and the potential availability of so many high-profile players, particularly among hitters such as Alex Rodriguez, Manny Ramirez, Mark Teixeira, Adrian Beltre, Miguel Tejada, Carl Crawford, Adam Dunn, Vernon Wells and Andruw Jones. The only slugger certain to change teams, though, is Gary Sheffield. As one AL GM said, "trades are getting tougher and tougher to make these days."

That is because, in particular, teams value and horde inexpensive high-end players, particularly pitchers, like never before. To break the logjam, we will suggest four trades we think should get made. These ideas were run by more than 10 executives, who offered counsel and input, with the main goal being: Would you make the deal regardless of which side you were on (remember if both sides don't feel pain, it probably isn't a fair trade)? The concept here mainly is to give a sampling of just the kind of player potentially available in what could be a very tantalizing offseason:

Aaron Heilman, Lastings Milledge and Henry Owens to the Padres; Jake Peavy to the Mets

This would be extremely risky for both teams. With steroid-busted Guillermo Mota and Chad Bradford free agents and Duaner Sanchez rehabbing from shoulder surgery, the Mets would be gambling to deal Heilman from the 'pen. But the Mets do believe Sanchez will be ready and want to retain Bradford (but watch for the Yanks and Red Sox as Bradford's price rises dramatically because he did well against lefties last year and the relief market is so thin). They also think a starter such as Brian Bannister can get into the 'pen mix.

Omar Minaya is a Milledge fan, but that is not universal in the Mets organization and the team has two high-level outfield prospects - Carlos Gomez and Fernando Martinez - coming. Owens had an eye-popping Double-A year (74 Ks in 40 IP, .137 BAA), but he will be 28 in April and is still learning to pitch after a conversion from catcher.

The big question, though, is about Peavy. He had an iffy season (11-14, 4.09 ERA) in a pitcher's park and has some history of shoulder problems. But there is plenty to like. He is the kind of power arm Minaya has been pursuing (second most strikeouts over the past two years behind only Johan Santana). Despite the arm frets, he has made 62 starts the last two seasons. He has won in double digits four consecutive years, yet at 25, is still a year younger than Chien-Ming Wang. And with three years at $18.75 million left on his pact, he is reasonably priced. It seems a risk worth taking for the Mets because front-of-the-rotation starters are just that hard to find. They have inquired about the White Sox's Freddy Garcia, but the request of Milledge and Phil Humber or Mike Pelfrey is too much for a pitcher a year from free agency. And they are conflicted whether to spend substantially on Zito.

To do this deal, the Padres would have to be among the many teams that think the Mets undervalue Heilman and that he is a 15-win starter waiting to happen. In that case, they get a cheaper alternative to Peavy, add high-end potential in Milledge and Owens to a dubious farm system, and also gain more financial flexibility to find a bat. However, when right, Peavy is an ace, in a sport bereft of that animal. If the Padres move him, it may say a lot about what they think about him holding up with such a violent delivery.

Jeremy Bonderman to the Rangers; Mark Teixeira to the Tigers

The Tigers have oodles of what every club craves: young, high-end, reasonably priced starting pitching, so they are going to be popular this offseason. The untouchables are Andrew Miller (their first-round pick in June, whom Detroit thinks could be in the rotation next year), Kenny Rogers and Justin Verlander. In Wil Ledezma, Mike Maroth, Zach Miner, Humberto Sanchez and Jordan Tata, the Tigers have inventory to use individually or in combination to get a good piece. But, in the World Series, Detroit's main weakness was exposed. The Tigers are too right-handed and too impatient. To get a keen-eyed, lefty impact bat, they would have to move either Nate Robertson or more likely Bonderman.

The switch-hitting Teixeira would be ideal. The Tigers are unlikely to retain first baseman Sean Casey. Teixeira has increased his walk total every season from 44 as a rookie (2003) to 89 last year. His power could be hurt by spacious Comerica Park, but he is a good hitter regardless. And, at four years, he has the same service time as Bonderman. That is crucial.

Teixeira is a Scott Boras client, which means he is almost certain to test free agency after the 2008 campaign and, at just 28 then, be shopped as a $100 million-plus player. Texas, as it learned with Boras client Alex Rodriguez, must allocate its big money on pitching, not position players. But Detroit owner Mike Ilitch has willingly done mega-deals with Boras on position players (Magglio Ordonez, Ivan Rodriguez). The Rangers can draw hitters to their power-friendly park; don't be surprised if owner Tom Hicks imports Barry Bonds for his bat and to juice attendance as a DH. It is harder to get a young, front-of-the-rotation, power-armed groundball machine such as Bonderman, who already has three double-digit win seasons despite being just a year older than Verlander, the likely AL Rookie of the Year.

Vernon Wells to the Angels; Erick Aybar and Ervin Santana to the Blue Jays

The Orioles spurned this Angels offer for Miguel Tejada. The attractiveness of Tejada was he had three years left on his contract. Wells has just one and, perhaps, an affinity to return to his native Arlington to play with the Rangers upon free agency. But the Angels have deep pockets to remove such thoughts, especially with their need in center. Plus, Wells is three years younger than Tejada, who unlike Wells also comes with questions about his temperament.

Toronto knows it will be extraordinarily difficult to keep Wells long term. In Roy Halladay, A.J. Burnett and Santana, the Jays would come armed with a better rotation 1-2-3 than the Yanks or Red Sox. The switch-hitting Aybar (think Jose Reyes Lite) ends all the failed shortstop experiments. And the removal of Wells gives the Jays some additional dollars to go into the market to find some offensive upgrades to make his departure easier.

Miguel Montero and Chris Young to the Marlins; Dontrelle Willis to the Diamondbacks

The Mets want Willis, but it would take something close to overwhelming to pry him from Florida, and overwhelming has to start with a high-end catching prospect and center field prospect who are major league ready. That describes Montero and Young. The Marlins would have to believe Montero's catching skills continue to evolve to match his already superb hitting. This would be difficult for the D'backs because they love Young (they would prefer to move Justin Upton) and there have been indications they would deal starting catcher Johnny Estrada this offseason to make room for Montero. The Dodgers, with their elite farm system, could be players, as well, but their GM, Ned Colletti, is familiar with free agent Jason Schmidt from San Francisco, and L.A. also will be players for Zito.

Padres also expected to sign Akinori Iwamura; a gold glove winning, left handed 3B from Japan

UCFinfan86
11-07-2006, 09:41 PM
very nice read

Nappy Roots
11-07-2006, 09:42 PM
Padres also expected to sign Akinori Iwamura; a gold glove winning, left handed 3B from Japan


a LH 3B? thats just stupid.

Ray Finkle
11-07-2006, 10:50 PM
a LH 3B? thats just stupid.

Left handed hitter not thrower. The guy also plays 2nd and CFer.

unifiedtheory
11-08-2006, 12:35 AM
rumors are the Padres are going after Barry Zito hard. In fact, it is said to be Zito's preference to sign with either the Padres or the Dodgers.

I've been saying this for over a month. I think he'll be a Padre without a doubt.

Perfect23
11-08-2006, 12:39 AM
I've been saying this for over a month. I think he'll be a Padre without a doubt.

He will just destroy at petco park that stadium is huge and plus everytime a pitcher comes from the al to the nl he destroys the nl just look at Bronson Arroyo.

Motion
11-08-2006, 12:28 PM
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[URL="http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/11/08/red_sox_dont_exercise_their_option_on_foulke/"]The Red Sox have made several calls to free agents, including Barry Zito, Jason Schmidt, and Ted Lilly (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/11/08/red_sox_dont_exercise_their_option_on_foulke/), but Theo Epstein would not confirm whether they made a bid for Japanese righthander Daisuke Matsuzaka, though some baseball executives feel the Sox are in the thick of it. The bidding for Matsuzaka closes today.


Despite having six more-than-capable starting pitchers -- assuming Bartolo Colon recovers from a torn right rotator cuff -- the Angels are targeting Barry Zito, a left-hander who won the 2002 Cy Young Award. (http://www.pe.com/sports/baseball/breakout/stories/PE_Sports_Local_D_angels_notes_08.3319a2b.html) A Southern California native, Zito was 16-10 with a 3.38 ERA for Oakland in the regular season. If the Angels are able to sign Zito, who hasn't missed a start in his career and has averaged nearly 223 innings per season since 2001, it would allow them to trade one of their other pitchers for a hitter, perhaps Toronto center fielder Vernon Wells.


Desperate for bullpen help, the Marlins inquired about Yankees free agent Octavio Dotel (http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/15955249.htm), who returned in August after elbow surgery. He had 36 saves for Oakland in 2004.


The Yankees and Mets are expected to submit highly competitive bids on Japanese superstar pitcher Daisuke Matsuzaka by 5 p.m. today (http://www.nypost.com/seven/11082006/sports/yankees/battle_of_the_bids_yankees_michael_morrissey.htm), and this battle of international intrigue could make the difference in which New York team gets to the World Series next year. Throw in the deep pockets of the Red Sox, Cubs and Rangers, and the possible dark-horse bids of the Padres, Orioles or someone else, and you have an adventure worthy of a James Bond film. Call Matsuzaka "The Man with the Golden Arm." "He's definitely a top-of-the-rotation starter," one major-league official said yesterday. "He's one of those guys that never really throws the same pitch twice in the same sequence. "He's a guy who should have tremendous success in the States. He's probably like [Greg] Maddux early in his prime - probably with a little more fastball."

:)

RWhitney014
11-08-2006, 01:19 PM
He will just destroy at petco park that stadium is huge and plus everytime a pitcher comes from the al to the nl he destroys the nl just look at Bronson Arroyo.

Wow, a bit of a blanket statement there. I don't have time to look up examples right now, but that's not a fair assumption at all.

NJFINSFAN1
11-08-2006, 04:37 PM
I keep hearing Mussina to the Mets?????

I'm not sure I like that.

Motion
11-08-2006, 04:38 PM
I keep hearing Mussina to the Mets?????

I'm not sure I like that.

:confused: Where are you hearing that? Everything I've seen or heard about him is resigning with the Yanks for a 2 year deal.

NJFINSFAN1
11-08-2006, 04:43 PM
:confused: Where are you hearing that? Everything I've seen or heard about him is resigning with the Yanks for a 2 year deal.

They have been mentioning it on ESPN radio every once in a while. Its just a rumor, no hard facts.

nyjunc
11-08-2006, 04:49 PM
They have been mentioning it on ESPN radio every once in a while. Its just a rumor, no hard facts.

That all traces back to the article last week(in the News or the Post) that said Mussina would be willing to sign w/ the Mets if he can't stay w/ the Yanks but all signs are the yanks and Mussina are close to a 2 yr deal that will keep him a Yankee.

Cool Calm Mike
11-08-2006, 05:02 PM
Josh Barfield to Cleveland for Kevin Kouzmanoff and Andrew Brown.

Nappy Roots
11-08-2006, 05:50 PM
Josh Barfield to Cleveland for Kevin Kouzmanoff and Andrew Brown.

hrmm..

maybe they are brining loretta back.

RWhitney014
11-08-2006, 06:51 PM
hrmm..

maybe they are brining loretta back.

Nah, if anything they'll sign Iwamura and play him at second (they have to win the posting first) or they'll trade for Marcus Giles. If neither of those works, Ronnie Belliard would be a better choice for them than Loretta (even though he's a Northwestern grad).

AggieFin21
11-08-2006, 07:27 PM
Josh Barfield to Cleveland for Kevin Kouzmanoff and Andrew Brown.

The Padres being my 2nd favorite team (behind the Yanks), I'm pissed about this trade. I liked Barfield a lot. I mean, I guess the trade makes sense for both teams, but still...why SD, why?!

DonShula84
11-08-2006, 08:04 PM
I assume if the Angels get Zito they will try to trade Saunders or Santana for a bat? Seems like a crowded rotation with Zito unless they arent expecting much from Colon.

That Aybar/Santana trade for Wells sounds interesting also assuming we could sign him long term

Ray Finkle
11-08-2006, 09:32 PM
I assume if the Angels get Zito they will try to trade Saunders or Santana for a bat? Seems like a crowded rotation with Zito unless they arent expecting much from Colon.

That Aybar/Santana trade for Wells sounds interesting also assuming we could sign him long term

Actually if the Angels throw in Wood instead of Aybar or include Wood in the deal with both him and Santana I bet that trade could get done. And would be a good deal for both clubs.

unifiedtheory
11-08-2006, 09:38 PM
If Zito ends up in Anaheim I'll be very displeased...LOL!

Roman529
11-08-2006, 09:39 PM
I am hearing a lot of Soriano to the Phil's talk....if we get him look out!!!

GO PHILS.

ChambersWI
11-08-2006, 11:01 PM
I am hearing a lot of Soriano to the Phil's talk....if we get him look out!!!

GO PHILS.

unless you ofer him a rediculous contract, you won't. He'll look for a team that will let him play 2B first.

NJFINSFAN1
11-08-2006, 11:10 PM
I am hearing a lot of Soriano to the Phil's talk....if we get him look out!!!

GO PHILS.

Yep, you might come in second again!:wink:

djfresh47
11-09-2006, 12:38 AM
Kenny Williams likes to make a splash and i've yet to hear or read about anything huge. Juan Pierre was floating around even during the season but he's got the same OBP as Podsednik although he's got much better speed. I'm not going to post links cause i'm lazy but I read that Sheffield has put the White Sox on a list of teams he'd be willing to be traded to. The move would not make sense but neither did Vazquez for Chris Young last year. Nobody wants to make a move "just to make a move," but the White Sox are going to have to find a taker for Garcia or Vazquez. McCarthy should be in the rotation and it really doesn't matter to me which one goes. I think Vazquez has better "stuff," but neither was consistent. The one name that I read that I would like to see Chicago pursue is Gary Matthews Jr., I don't expect him to have the same type of season he had last year but he's still a quality player who is very good defensively. The move would than probably make it a 3-way battle for LF between Fields/Sweeney/Anderson and maybe even Jerry Owens.

Roman529
11-09-2006, 12:54 AM
unless you ofer him a rediculous contract, you won't. He'll look for a team that will let him play 2B first.

Nah. my Phils have the best 2nd baseman in the NL already at 2nd (Chase Utley).....I think Soriano will play LF...and Pat Burrell will be sent packing.
:tongue:

Roman529
11-09-2006, 12:55 AM
Yep, you might come in second again!:wink:

Glavine and Pedro are over the hill....The Mets pitching is done. :lol:

DonShula84
11-09-2006, 01:11 AM
Nah. my Phils have the best 2nd baseman in the NL already at 2nd (Chase Utley).....I think Soriano will play LF...and Pat Burrell will be sent packing.
:tongue:

Will Soriano go to a team that wont play him at 2nd though? That's the issue.

Motion
11-09-2006, 11:33 AM
Glavine and Pedro are over the hill....The Mets pitching is done. :lol:

:yeahthat:

Motion
11-09-2006, 11:39 AM
Most of the experts have Carlos Lee headed to Houston because he has a ranch there, but sources close to Lee insist the Cubs are his preferred destination (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-061008cubsperry,1,10606.story?coll=cs-home-headlines) because of his numbers in Wrigley Field and a chance to show up the White Sox.


Two different major-league officials believed Yankees OF Gary Sheffield will end up with the Cubs or Athletics. (http://www.nypost.com/seven/11092006/sports/yankees/sheff_is_stewing_yankees_michael_morrissey.htm?page=2) The Padres are also in the mix, but the Astros aren't.


With the A's list dwindling, the most recognizable candidate was interviewed Wednesday. Orel Hershsier met in Arizona with general manager Billy Beane and his staff and said it would be a "dream come true" to get the A's job (http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/11/09/SPGKPM94JD1.DTL). "It was an exceptional day, whether I get the job or not," Hershiser said in a phone interview. "These are intelligent, passionate, down-to-earth people, and it was a solid day of talking baseball."

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The Cubs are expected to be in on the Jason Schmidt sweepstakes (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-061008cubsperry,1,10606.story?coll=cs-home-headlines) but probably won't go longer than four years because of the injury factor. Schmidt, with Barry Zito one of two prominent free-agent starters, is expected to wind up in Seattle.


The Yankees did reach out to a true free-agent pitcher this week, contacting the agent for right-hander Miguel Batista (http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/116305497217070.xml&coll=1), who this year was 11-8 with a 4.58 ERA for Arizona.


The agent for pitcher Tom Glavine said his client will make no decision about his future until some time after Friday's deadline for him to exercise the $7.5 million option (http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/116305566517070.xml&coll=1) on his contract for next season. The 40-year-old Glavine, who has a player option for his services and a $14 million team option that the Mets have until Nov. 20 to pick up, is still trying to decide whether he wants to finish his career with the Mets or with the Atlanta Braves. Just 10 victories shy of 300, Glavine has said that, if he remains healthy, 2007 will be his final season. "I don't see anything happening in the near future," agent Gregg Clifton said by phone from his Scottsdale, Ariz., office. "Tom continues to consider his options and continues to discuss the situation with his family. "Similar to when he made the decision to join the Mets, Tom is a very thoughtful and thorough person. He's just taking his time."


[URL="http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20061109/news_1s9barfield.html"]Convinced the Yankees were on the verge of acquiring Indians power hitting prospect Kevin Kouzmanoff for slugger Gary Sheffield (http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20061109/news_1s9barfield.html), the Padres pulled the trigger on the trade, which also brings them Triple-A reliever Andrew Brown. GM Kevin Towers said he expects Kouzmanoff and Brown, both 25, to be on the team's Opening Day roster.

:)

FinsNYanksFan13
11-09-2006, 12:05 PM
His Japanese club, the Pacific League's Seibu Lions, said they have been notified of the highest bid for the 26-year-old right-hander. They said they will not make a decision on whether to accept until after a meeting of their board of directors -- not expected to be held before Friday at the earliest.


This is there way of saying their going to tell Matsuzaka what teams are interested, let him choose which team he wants to pitch for, and then make sure that team has the highest bid (even if they didn't). At the end of the day this kid is going where he wants to go!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/baseball/mlb/11/09/matsuzaka.bidders.ap/index.html

GreenMonster
11-09-2006, 03:32 PM
Yanks on the heels of Clemens and Pettite.. I thought you guys were getting younger..

Ray Finkle
11-09-2006, 10:48 PM
J.D. Drew opted out of his contract so he's a Free Agent right now. Red Sox, Mets, Houston, SD, SF and Texas could use him for sure.

FinsNYanksFan13
11-09-2006, 11:50 PM
J.D. Drew opted out of his contract so he's a Free Agent right now. Red Sox, Mets, Houston, SD, SF and Texas could use him for sure.


JD Drew is an idiot for opting out of this deal and the GM who gives him more then the Dodgers already did is stupider then him!

DonShula84
11-10-2006, 12:46 AM
JD Drew is an idiot for opting out of this deal and the GM who gives him more then the Dodgers already did is stupider then him!

I agree. Dodgers gave him a big deal, that he wasnt really living up to imo, he'll never get that kind of money now. Shows how unhappy he must have been in LA that he's willing to potentially get less money to get of town. I cant blame him, I wouldnt want to be a Dodger either :tongue:

MikeO
11-10-2006, 12:51 AM
Yanks on the heels of Clemens and Pettite.. I thought you guys were getting younger..

I think Roger ends up retiring. Especilaly if more STERIODS stuff about him gets out. I don't see NYY going after him anyway.

I could see the Yanks going after Andy though. Lefty arm with postseason experience.

Ray Finkle
11-10-2006, 01:18 AM
JD Drew is an idiot for opting out of this deal and the GM who gives him more then the Dodgers already did is stupider then him!

Well right now he's what the 2nd or 3rd best OF option on the market (behind Lee and Soriano- depending on what position he'll play). Drew will get at least 33 million over 3 years from a team because so many teams need a bat and the market is very thin.

Is he worth the money? No, he's probably worth around 8 million a year but he'll get at least 10 mill a year and be happy (something he wasn't in LA).

Motion
11-10-2006, 11:12 AM
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There were indications yesterday the Yankees had made progress toward sending Gary Sheffield to the Detroit Tigers (http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/116314189548860.xml&coll=1). An official with one of the teams involved, who requested anonymity because he didn't want to jeopardize the negotiations, said the Tigers were "very interested" in acquiring Sheffield and had had multiple conversations about a deal in the past two days. It was unclear what the Yankees would be getting in return, though the official said the Yankees were seeking "pitching, but that could mean starting or relief." A baseball official familiar with the Yankees plans, who requested anonymity because of the sensitive nature of trade talks, said general manager Brian Cashman is having "substantive, strong discussions" about trading Sheffield. Cleveland, San Diego, Houston and the Chicago Cubs are also believed to be involved.


The Rangers have been depicted in national and international reports as major players in the Daisuke Matsuzaka sweepstakes -- and they are exactly that. A baseball official with knowledge of the process said Thursday that the Rangers have made a major bid for the 26-year-old Japanese right-handed pitcher, perhaps close to $30 million, and that the Rangers have a chance to win exclusive negotiating rights. (http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/15978344.htm) The Rangers refused to comment on the situation, citing a gag order by Major League Baseball. "I'm not going to comment one way or the other," Rangers general manager Jon Daniels said.


Roger Clemens's agent, Randy Hendricks, indicated last night that, "We have touched base [with Boston]. I am sure we will be talking. (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/11/10/sox_may_pitch_their_attention_at_drew/) We've talked to several teams, but Roger has yet to decide what he will do next year."


GM Brian Cashman said he views Jason Giambi as primarily a designated hitter, adding he is interested in acquiring a right-handed hitter to play first base. A year ago, the Yankees had interest in Nomar Garciaparra for that role, and he is a free agent again. (http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/116314189548860.xml&coll=1&thispage=2)


The Boston Red Sox, Chicago Cubs, Chicago White Sox, Cleveland Indians, Houston Astros and Texas Rangers could pursue former Dodgers OF J.D. Drew (http://www.latimes.com/sports/printedition/la-sp-dodgers10nov10,1,4242970.story?coll=la-headlines-pe-sports), a baseball source said.


While the Yankees and all of baseball wait to find out who won the right to negotiate with Japanese right-hander Daisuke Matsuzaka, media reports out of Japan said the Seibu Lions were disappointed with the amount of the highest bid in the "posting" process and would need more time before deciding whether to accept it. (http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/116314189548860.xml&coll=1) Seibu was told only the amount of the highest bid and not the identity of the team that made the top sealed bid. The reports indicated the amount may be less than $15 million as opposed to the more than the $20 million some expected. The Yankees and Mets were presumed to have made a bid, along with Texas, Boston, Arizona, Cleveland and the Chicago Cubs.


The Red Sox also are looking for a right fielder with the likelihood they will not re-sign Trot Nixon, and J.D. Drew, who opted out of the final three years of his contract with the Dodgers yesterday, is expected to be a target. (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/11/10/sox_may_pitch_their_attention_at_drew/)

:)
[URL="http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/116314189548860.xml&coll=1&thispage=2"] (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/11/10/sox_may_pitch_their_attention_at_drew/)

Chavez Ravine
11-10-2006, 11:26 AM
JD Drew is a moron and I'm glad he's gone

However, the dodgers need some major bat help now.

NED time to earn your money

edit:

Thinking about this, I'll bet

-LA resigns nomar to a 1 year deal plays first
-signs Zito
-Moves Loney to the OF and insurance for Nomar at First
-Makes a trade for another OF.
-Lets the farm kids develop for the remaining OF positions (eithier, kemp, loney)
-Repko is the 4th OF

like2god
11-10-2006, 02:34 PM
Report: Redsox may have top bid for Matsuzaka



ESPN.com news services

The Boston Red Sox (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=bos) may have posted the top bid for the right to negotiate with Japanese right-hander Daisuke Matsuzaka, ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney reported, citing Major League Baseball sources.
There has been no official announcement, and the Seibu Lions, Matsuzaka's team in Japan, have until Tuesday to accept or reject the high bid.
But Olney is reporting that the Red Sox may have posted the top bid with a figure between $38 million and $45 million, according to Major League Baseball officials who are monitoring the bidding.
Matsuzaka, who pitched for Japan's World Baseball Classic champions, is considered among the top prospects available this offseason. If the Lions accept the top bid -- and according to the rules of the process, the team making the high bid is not disclosed to the Japanese team -- the winning bidder has 30 days to reach an agreement with Matsuzaka. If a deal cannot be reached, he would return to the Lions for the 2007 season and become a free agent in the spring of 2008.


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2656687

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Motion
11-10-2006, 02:36 PM
:(

Chavez Ravine
11-10-2006, 02:49 PM
^Holy Cow

say the deal is 5years 60 (12mil a year)

You're looking at dropping 95-105 mil for a pitcher whose never thrown in the big leagues!!!

CRAZY

like2god
11-10-2006, 02:56 PM
^Holy Cow

say the deal is 5years 60 (12mil a year)

You're looking at dropping 95-105 mil for a pitcher whose never thrown in the big leagues!!!

CRAZY
It is crazy, but I also heard Peter Gammons say that it is likely going to be a 3 year deal because Boras wants him to hit the FA market as a 29 year old starter. And like MikeO said, no more "Evil Empire" cracks.

MikeO
11-10-2006, 02:56 PM
^Holy Cow

say the deal is 5years 60 (12mil a year)

You're looking at dropping 95-105 mil for a pitcher whose never thrown in the big leagues!!!

CRAZY

It's gonna cost over $100 mill to sign him. That is a given

Chavez Ravine
11-10-2006, 03:15 PM
It's gonna cost over $100 mill to sign him. That is a given

That's crazy jack for an unproven MLB player

Chavez Ravine
11-10-2006, 03:16 PM
It is crazy, but I also heard Peter Gammons say that it is likely going to be a 3 year deal because Boras wants him to hit the FA market as a 29 year old starter. And like MikeO said, no more "Evil Empire" cracks.

The negotiating team also is at a disadvantage because my understanding is that they lose the 40 mil if they can't sign him.

So basically, Boras gets what he wants

Ray Finkle
11-10-2006, 03:27 PM
That's crazy jack for an unproven MLB player

I agree. And although the money given to Ichiro, Matsui, Contreras wasn't as big they were also unproven MLB players and worked out very well for their teams.

All scouts say this kid is the real deal with his gyroball. I guess we'll all have to wait and see. I am excited that this kid will be a Sox but I'm nervous about the money given to him. I don't want him to be another Ishii, Yoshi or Nomo.

Ray Finkle
11-10-2006, 03:28 PM
The negotiating team also is at a disadvantage because my understanding is that they lose the 40 mil if they can't sign him.

So basically, Boras gets what he wants

Yes and no. If the guy doesn't sign with the team Boras doesn't get a penny. So Boras will play hardball but he and the team know a deal will be worked out.

Motion
11-10-2006, 03:29 PM
I agree. And although the money given to Ichiro, Matsui, Contreras wasn't as big they were also unproven MLB players and worked out very well for their teams.

All scouts say this kid is the real deal with his gyroball. I guess we'll all have to wait and see. I am excited that this kid will be a Sox but I'm nervous about the money given to him. I don't want him to be another Ishii, Yoshi or Nomo.

Don't forget Irabu. :chuckle:

In_Flames
11-10-2006, 03:30 PM
I agree. And although the money given to Ichiro, Matsui, Contreras wasn't as big they were also unproven MLB players and worked out very well for their teams.

All scouts say this kid is the real deal with his gyroball. I guess we'll all have to wait and see. I am excited that this kid will be a Sox but I'm nervous about the money given to him. I don't want him to be another Ishii, Yoshi or Nomo.

:yeahthat:

FaninPatsyLand
11-10-2006, 03:30 PM
I'd rather invest a 4 year (12 million per year) contract in a 26 year old pitcher, then give that money to a 30+ aging CF like Johnny Damon.

The Red Sox made the right move last offseason by not resigning him, and now they're using that money towards a guy who has potential to be dominant.

Kudos to the Red Sox front office.

RWhitney014
11-10-2006, 03:31 PM
Nomo actually had a pretty good career.

Ray Finkle
11-10-2006, 03:35 PM
Don't forget Irabu. :chuckle:

Good point. I'm sure they're more too.

Ray Finkle
11-10-2006, 03:36 PM
Nomo actually had a pretty good career.

Yeah was ok. The first 2 years he was lights out and then faded fast. This kid's rep is so high that if he turned into Nomo it would be a disappointment.

djfresh47
11-10-2006, 04:26 PM
I agree. And although the money given to Ichiro, Matsui, Contreras wasn't as big they were also unproven MLB players and worked out very well for their teams.

All scouts say this kid is the real deal with his gyroball. I guess we'll all have to wait and see. I am excited that this kid will be a Sox but I'm nervous about the money given to him. I don't want him to be another Ishii, Yoshi or Nomo.

There was another guy the Yankees who was supposed to be the 2nd coming of El Duque and had a nickname similar. Investing in position players is a safer bet but teams need to get pitching or else they'll be the White Sox or Yankees. Those teams could mash but it got the Yankees out in the 1st rd and the White Sox finished 3rd in their division. It also gives the Red Sox a guy they expect to step and probably be the #1 after Schilling retires.

unifiedtheory
11-11-2006, 06:09 AM
J.D. Drew opted out of his contract so he's a Free Agent right now. Red Sox, Mets, Houston, SD, SF and Texas could use him for sure.

I am simply stunned that someone will give that stiff ANYTHING. I would'nt sign him for the minimum.

MikeO
11-11-2006, 06:18 AM
I'd rather invest a 4 year (12 million per year) contract in a 26 year old pitcher, then give that money to a 30+ aging CF like Johnny Damon.

The Red Sox made the right move last offseason by not resigning him, and now they're using that money towards a guy who has potential to be dominant.

Kudos to the Red Sox front office.

Your adding roughly $145 mill towards you payroll on 1 pitcher from overseas who may be the next Irabu. Even if he ends up being great that is a lot of money on one pitcher and a hell of a roll of the dice.

(45 mill just to talk to him, then another $100 mill to sign him)

Ray Finkle
11-11-2006, 10:32 AM
Your adding roughly $145 mill towards you payroll on 1 pitcher from overseas who may be the next Irabu. Even if he ends up being great that is a lot of money on one pitcher and a hell of a roll of the dice.

(45 mill just to talk to him, then another $100 mill to sign him)

100 million to sign him? What he is going to get a 5 year 20mill a year deal? There's no way he's going to cost them 100 mill to sign (unlessyou figure in the money used to bid on him.

He'll get a 5 year 70 million dollar deal max. Most likely a 3 or 4 year deal for 12 mill a year.

UCFinfan86
11-11-2006, 10:52 AM
Your adding roughly $145 mill towards you payroll on 1 pitcher from overseas who may be the next Irabu. Even if he ends up being great that is a lot of money on one pitcher and a hell of a roll of the dice.

(45 mill just to talk to him, then another $100 mill to sign him)

But the 45 million is towards the payroll. So its only going to be his contract and like Ray said, they are expecting it to be around around 70 million, i still think that is a alot for him, but i guess this is one of those big risk/reward sitations u gotta take a chance on

phunwin
11-11-2006, 12:46 PM
Nomo actually had a pretty good career.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/n/nomohi01.shtml

On balance, yeah, it was a good career, especially if you factor in his fairly impressive durability (from 1995-2003, he averaged 31 starts per year, and never made less than 28 in that time). But in terms of consistency, he had a bizarre career.

He was awesome in his rookie year, very good in his second year, then below average, then awful, and it looked like he was done. Then, something weird happened: for three straight years, he was almost exactly the same pitcher, despite pitching for three different teams. His ERA+ was 101 in 1999, 2000 and 2001. Then he went back to the Dodgers, and was very good in 2002 (112 ERA+) and absolutely awesome in 2003 (130). Then, without warning, he fell off the face of the earth (train wrecks in 2004 and 2005).

Basically, from 1995-2003, he had two stellar years (1995 and 2003), two very good years (1996 and 2002), two below average years (1997 and 1998) and was almost exactly league-average in three years (1999-2001). It's not unusual to see a career where a guy has great years, good years, average years and bad years. It IS unusual to see them spaced out like Nomo's were.

As for the difference between Nomo and Matsuzaka, the difference is tremendous. In Japan, Nomo had high walk totals, but gave up roughly 2 hits per 3 innings, which is insanely low. Major league hitters are much better than Japanese league hitters, which meant that Nomo was inevitably going to give up more hits here. As a result, those high walk numbers got him in trouble a lot. In Japan, his K/BB ratio was around 2/1.

Well, Matsuzaka's K/BB ratio for the last three years is 3.7/1, which is awesome at any level above Little League. I don't care what concerns people have about culture, adaptability, Scott Boras, whatever. Any pitcher who strikes out nearly 4 hitters for every one he walks will be a success in MLB.

By way of comparison, here's how Matsuzaka's 2004-6 K/BB ratio stacks up against a few other prominent free agent starters' K/BB ratios for that period.

Matsuzaka - 3.7/1
Jason Schmidt - 2.5/1
Barry Zito and Tom Glavine - both 1.8/1
Jeff Suppan - 1.7/1

Matsuzaka's the best on the market, and it's not all that close.

Chavez Ravine
11-11-2006, 12:57 PM
I am simply stunned that someone will give that stiff ANYTHING. I would'nt sign him for the minimum.

The moneyball guys will sign him.

On another board they were talking about how Drew was better than Soriano because of his on base %. Guaranteed, JD has never played for their team otherwise they would know the truth.

Numbers don't equal great baseball players.

Ray Finkle
11-11-2006, 02:17 PM
But the 45 million is towards the payroll. So its only going to be his contract and like Ray said, they are expecting it to be around around 70 million, i still think that is a alot for him, but i guess this is one of those big risk/reward sitations u gotta take a chance on

In a year where the FA class of pitchers is very weak and a guy like Jeff Suppan will probably make 12 million a year, you have to jump on this kid.

I haven't read one negative thing on this kid yet, and every scout agrees this kid is a stud. I guess we'll have to sit back and see but I'd rather gamble on him then to sign a Schmidt, Zito, Suppan or Weaver.

Plus signing him the Red Sox gain a market in Japan like the Yankees and Mariners have with Ichiro and Matsui. Which equals extra revenue.

UCFinfan86
11-11-2006, 02:27 PM
In a year where the FA class of pitchers is very weak and a guy like Jeff Suppan will probably make 12 million a year, you have to jump on this kid.

I haven't read one negative thing on this kid yet, and every scout agrees this kid is a stud. I guess we'll have to sit back and see but I'd rather gamble on him then to sign a Schmidt, Zito, Suppan or Weaver.

Plus signing him the Red Sox gain a market in Japan like the Yankees and Mariners have with Ichiro and Matsui. Which equals extra revenue.

Don't get me wrong, im really happy about this, im just a little less happy if it ends up being for 70 million, even though buster olney said it could be a 5 year 45 million deal, which would be great

Ray Finkle
11-11-2006, 02:31 PM
Don't get me wrong, im really happy about this, im just a little less happy if it ends up being for 70 million, even though buster olney said it could be a 5 year 45 million deal, which would be great

Hey I'm nervous too. As much as I want this kid, I'm worried he'd be the next Irabu, Ishii etc.

But hey the best way to look at it is this: it's not our money. The kid is getting a huge amount of write ups for being so good. Scouts say he's at worst the game's best 3rd starter. The best advice for anyone, Sox fan or not, is to wait and see what he can do before we start the praising or hating.

MikeO
11-11-2006, 02:53 PM
But the 45 million is towards the payroll. So its only going to be his contract and like Ray said, they are expecting it to be around around 70 million, i still think that is a alot for him, but i guess this is one of those big risk/reward sitations u gotta take a chance on

The $45 mill might not "technically" be on the payroll. BUT IT IS IN REALITY. Due to the fact only a handful of teams would cough up that kind of money just for the opportunity to talk to the guy.

Actually their are probably only 2 teams who would cough up that kind of money!!

MikeO
11-11-2006, 02:54 PM
But hey the best way to look at it is this: it's not our money.

Starting to sound like a Yankee fan! LOL

MikeO
11-12-2006, 10:29 AM
Andy Pettite said Friday night at Joe Torre's dinner that he is thinking he is going to retire and not come back.

Might be a ploy for money, but I don't know.

NJFINSFAN1
11-12-2006, 12:49 PM
Let the bidding begin!

Rumor in the Bergen record says Zito is leaning towards the Mets?????

MikeO
11-12-2006, 12:54 PM
Let the bidding begin!

Rumor in the Bergen record says Zito is leaning towards the Mets?????

The mets have been hot on him for a while now. With the Pedro injury, I fully expect the Mets to throw big money at Zito

ChambersWI
11-12-2006, 12:55 PM
Let the bidding begin!

Rumor in the Bergen record says Zito is leaning towards the Mets?????

I'm still going to go with Zito being a Padre.

MikeO
11-12-2006, 01:08 PM
I'm still going to go with Zito being a Padre.

Im still going with Zito goes to whoever offers him the most $$$$$$$$ :sidelol:

ChambersWI
11-12-2006, 04:14 PM
Im still going with Zito goes to whoever offers him the most $$$$$$$$ :sidelol:

possibly, but Zito is a surf bumb. He values his guitar more than his cy young award. He can't go surfing in queens

FinsNYanksFan13
11-12-2006, 04:32 PM
possibly, but Zito is a surf bumb. He values his guitar more than his cy young award. He can't go surfing in queens



Jones Beach is 20 minutes from Queens, he'll have plenty of places to surf. The Hamptons are 2 and half hours from Queens, plenty of waves out there too!

RWhitney014
11-12-2006, 07:42 PM
Jones Beach is 20 minutes from Queens, he'll have plenty of places to surf. The Hamptons are 2 and half hours from Queens, plenty of waves out there too!

It's a way of life he's used to. He's very laid back, very zen, very West Coast, very California. I'd be shocked, honestly, to see him go to New York. I can see him in San Diego, Anaheim, or Seattle if he doesn't return to the A's. The only thing the Mets have on those teams is Rick Peterson.

And Mike, no matter how you want to spin it, the bid for Matsuzaka does not count towards the luxury tax, which is as much of a salary cap effect as there is in baseball. The Red Sox could spend $90 million on a Zito and have all that money go to the Royals, Pirates, Marlins, and Rockies in revenue sharing or they could spend $100 million on Matsuzaka, and since the actual contract is going to be in the $50 million range (I don't even know how you're getting $100 and not cross into luxury tax land, or not as far into it.

MikeO
11-12-2006, 09:29 PM
And Mike, no matter how you want to spin it, the bid for Matsuzaka does not count towards the luxury tax, which is as much of a salary cap effect as there is in baseball. The Red Sox could spend $90 million on a Zito and have all that money go to the Royals, Pirates, Marlins, and Rockies in revenue sharing or they could spend $100 million on Matsuzaka, and since the actual contract is going to be in the $50 million range (I don't even know how you're getting $100 and not cross into luxury tax land, or not as far into it.

It doesn't count towards the tax, I know.... I never even mentioned luxery tax :shakeno: But HOW MANY TEAMS HAVE $45 mill laying around to just talk to a player!!!!!!!

Bottom line is, the Red Sox have turned into the Yanks when it comes to this stuff. Not that it's a bad thing, but you can't have the Red Sox going around saying, "EVIL EMPIRE" and the Yanks are at a different level than us when it comes to payroll. When in reality Boston is right there with them. You make a move like this and it just shows it.

You will spend $45 mill to talk to him. Give him a $50 mill contract or so. He is a $100 mill player in the eyes of the Red Sox because that is how much you spent to get him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:shakeno: He could be a 5 year $100 mill player for Boston in hard real life cash when its all said and done. That is close to a $20 mill a year breakdown.

MATH BREAKDOWN
5 years at say $10 mill= $50 mill contract......+......$45 mill to get his rights=$95 mill. ( i know its not all on the luxery tax, but Boston still shelled out the actual hard cash of $95 mill to get him, somebody is writing checks)

So over 5 years you are paying $95 mill to have this kid on the Red Sox. That is $19 mill a year avg that this FRANCHISE and OWNER just wrote a check for to acquire this kid! How many teams can pay around $19 mill a year on 1 player!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can count them on 1 hand and only about 2 will do it. Yanks and Boston!! Thank you, that is my point!

GreenMonster
11-12-2006, 10:02 PM
Look the Yankees still spent 74 million dollars more than the Sox last year..

Yanks 194.6
Sox 120.1
Angels 103.5
WS 102.8
Mets 101.1
Dodgers 98.5

I think that its is much easier to lump us in the 2nd group of teams, than at the top with the Yankees..

Teams that have spent over 20million on a players - Redsox, Yankees, Astros, Giants, Rangers

Teams that have spent 15 million + : Jays, O's, Dodgers, Angels, Cubs and a slew of others..

MikeO
11-12-2006, 10:09 PM
Look the Yankees still spent 74 million dollars more than the Sox last year..

Yanks 194.6
Sox 120.1
Angels 103.5
WS 102.8
Mets 101.1
Dodgers 98.5

I think that its is much easier to lump us in the 2nd group of teams, than at the top with the Yankees..

Teams that have spent over 20million on a players - Redsox, Yankees, Astros, Giants, Rangers

Teams that have spent 15 million + : Jays, O's, Dodgers, Angels, Cubs and a slew of others..

Please. Please. You just gave $45 mill for the right to talk to a guy. A bunch of teams don't have payrolls of $45 mill you just spent that to talk to a guy and get exclusive rights. That is before any contract is even paid out

And teams will spend around $100 mill, when your at $120.........your in the Yanks ballpark as obviously you can go above and beyond everyone EXCEPT the Yanks. Please. And that $120 goes up year after year.

MikeO
11-12-2006, 10:10 PM
Teams that have spent over 20million on a players - Redsox, Yankees, Astros, Giants, Rangers

..

Misleading on every level. The Rangers almost went broke and bankrupt when they did it. And the Giants only did it cause they had maybe the greatest player ever. Those teams will never do it again or come close to doing it.

GreenMonster
11-12-2006, 10:14 PM
Please. Please. You just gave $45 mill for the right to talk to a guy. A bunch of teams don't have payrolls of $45 mill you just spent that to talk to a guy and get exclusive rights. That is before any contract is even paid out

And teams will spend around $100 mill, when your at $120.........your in the Yanks ballpark as obviously you can go above and beyond everyone EXCEPT the Yanks. Please. And that $120 goes up year after year.

Yes your right, I mean the RedSox only spent 61% of what Yankees did, which is much closer to the 81% of the 6th highest team spent.. I will admit the 45 posting fee is a Yankee move, but even if you put that directly into our playroll all at once, we are still behind the Yanks..

MikeO
11-12-2006, 10:18 PM
Yes your right, I mean the RedSox only spent 61% of what Yankees did, which is much closer to the 81% of the 6th highest team spent.. I will admit the 45 posting fee is a Yankee move, but even if you put that directly into our playroll all at once, we are still behind the Yanks..

Well the offseason just started. Sheff and Wright are gone. That's about $17-$20 mill or so total right there gone off the top of the Yanks payroll with just those 2 players.

GreenMonster
11-12-2006, 10:25 PM
Well the offseason just started. Sheff and Wright are gone. That's about $17-$20 mill or so total right there gone off the top of the Yanks payroll with just those 2 players.

Since when you do you guys care about shedding payroll. Are you guys planning on not spending the money? Had you guys got Matsuzaka, your payroll would have been 200+ no problem..

GreenMonster
11-12-2006, 10:27 PM
With this recent move, I expect that the Sox also put a strong bid in on 3B Iwamura.. He is 27 and was a Gold Glover that has a career .300 avg.. It will be interesting to see if the Yankees put in a bid..

MikeO
11-12-2006, 10:29 PM
Since when you do you guys care about shedding payroll. Are you guys planning on not spending the money? Had you guys got Matsuzaka, your payroll would have been 200+ no problem..

The Yanks aren't about shedding payroll. But it won't stay where it was forever. I mean at some point enough is enough and you cap yourself.

$200 mill or so is probably the limit. So to add new players they had to cut payroll to make some room. That was my only point. AND, if the right players aren't out there, I could see a season or two the Yanks payroll is around $160-175 mill.

The Steinbrenner days are over. Cashman is running the show. He is about getting younger and not being handcuffed to these old guys on their final legs who make big bucks.

MikeO
11-12-2006, 10:29 PM
With this recent move, I expect that the Sox also put a strong bid in on 3B Iwamura.. He is 27 and was a Gold Glover that has a career .300 avg.. It will be interesting to see if the Yankees put in a bid..

Unless he can play 1B..... probably not.

Unless they just place a bid with no intention to sign him just to block Boston from getting him! :D

djfresh47
11-13-2006, 04:18 PM
The moneyball guys will sign him.

On another board they were talking about how Drew was better than Soriano because of his on base %. Guaranteed, JD has never played for their team otherwise they would know the truth.

Numbers don't equal great baseball players.

I don't think Drew is as good as Soriano but he's still a pretty good player. Not as good as scouts thought he would be coming out but he's still pretty good. I think he'll get around the same amount of money he had left on his contract.

phunwin
11-14-2006, 08:52 AM
Well the offseason just started. Sheff and Wright are gone. That's about $17-$20 mill or so total right there gone off the top of the Yanks payroll with just those 2 players.

Didn't they have to give the Orioles a big chunk of cash to take Wright's contract? If so, that doesn't exactly translate to getting his whole salary off the payroll.

The inevitable Zito the Mets speculation (http://www.newsday.com/sports/printedition/ny-spmets144975756nov14,0,2648099.story?coll=ny-sports-print)has begun.

like2god
11-14-2006, 10:20 AM
Angels offer Soriano contract?


The Angels won't spend the rest of the general managers' meetings in Naples, Fla., sulking, though. GM Bill Stoneman said Monday that he's "thrown some offers out there already," and one is believed to be to slugger Alfonso Soriano, possibly for six years and about $80 million.

"Every offer we make is a serious offer," Stoneman said. "But you never know how quick someone will respond to you."

At least six other teams — the Dodgers, Cubs, Phillies, Orioles, Mets and Padres — are expected to make strong bids for Soriano, who hit .277 with 46 home runs, 95 runs batted in and 41 stolen bases for Washington this year.

Diego Bentz, one of Soriano's agents, is expected to meet with Stoneman and other GMs this week, and one baseball source said Soriano may travel to Florida to take part in several of those meetings.

Though the Angels appear set at Soriano's two primary positions, left field (Garret Anderson) and second base (Howie Kendrick), they could move Kendrick to first base, Anderson to designated hitter or open up center field for Soriano. -LA Times

MikeO
11-14-2006, 11:27 AM
Didn't they have to give the Orioles a big chunk of cash to take Wright's contract? If so, that doesn't exactly translate to getting his whole salary off the payroll.

The inevitable Zito the Mets speculation (http://www.newsday.com/sports/printedition/ny-spmets144975756nov14,0,2648099.story?coll=ny-sports-print)has begun.

Only $4 mill went with Wright. That's nothing significant

MikeO
11-14-2006, 01:09 PM
Yanks and Blue Jays are both chasing Randy Wolf the Phillies pitcher. As a back-end of the rotation guy.

He has had arm issues in the past, but as a #5 starter he could be decent in that role

Motion
11-14-2006, 01:23 PM
The Red Sox' Manny Ramirez, who would certainly fit the Phils' need for a big righthanded bat behind Ryan Howard, remains available for a trade (http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/16005412.htm). Ramirez has been connected to the Phillies in reports out of Boston, but a deal for him remains a long shot. The Phils probably could not give Boston the value it is looking for, and even if they could, they are wary of the headaches Ramirez can cause.


Following the aggressive nature of their GM, Omar Minaya, the Mets yesterday actively moved on their key issue - the rotation - by all but completing a deal to retain Orlando Hernandez while beginning to make inroads in the pursuit of Barry Zito and Vicente Padilla. (http://www.nypost.com/seven/11142006/sports/mets/mets_target_zito__near_duque_deal_mets_mark_hale_in_new_york_and_joel_sherman_in_naples__fla_.htm) Hernandez is close to inking a two-year deal worth about $6 million. The Mets know Zito and Padilla will cost considerably more, but are trying to determine how much.


With the general managers meetings opening Monday in Naples, Fla., Cubs GM Jim Hendry has shifted his attention from Aramis Ramirez -- considered by some the best talent on the market -- to the remaining top prize, Alfonso Soriano. (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/deluca/135004,CST-SPT-deluca14.article) The Cubs see Soriano as a center fielder who can give them a deadly threat at the top of the lineup. Soriano, who turns 31 on Jan. 7, is expected to seek a seven-year deal in the $120 million range -- an average annual salary topping $17 million. A steep price, to be sure, but Hendry promised new manager Lou Piniella the Cubs would spend big to overhaul the roster in time for Opening Day 2007. The Cubs' 2007 payroll is expected to reach $115 million, sources said.


The Yankees could find a deal with the White Sox for one of their available veterans, most likely Freddy Garcia or Mark Buehrle, a better alternative than pursuing the two top free-agent starters remaining. Both Jason Schmidt and Barry Zito bring questions, one of which is whether they want to leave the West Coast. There are so many teams interested in their services that the bidding process is problematic, even for the Yankees. Baseball sources indicated the Yankees have been acquiring young arms to help them trade for proven pitching. (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-061113rogers,1,7781779.column?coll=cs-cubs-headlines)


Two names to keep an eye on as the Yankees’ next first baseman: Nomar Garciaparra and Carlos Lee. (http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=167251&format=text)

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The Yankees are planning to explore the free-agent market, with names such as Barry Zito, Jason Schmidt and Gil Meche already catching their attention (http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/116348637124080.xml&coll=1). But there's going to be fierce competition for pitchers. For example, at least 17 teams have expressed interest in Meche, including four of the five teams in the AL East. Five of those teams told Meche's agent he was their No. 1 free-agent priority, with offers expected to be tendered as soon as today.


The Yanks strongly believe Boston is pushing hard to sign J.D. Drew (http://www.nypost.com/seven/11142006/sports/yankees/the_right_moves_yankees_joel_sherman.htm?page=0) to bat behind David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez. ... And - like many in the industry - the Yanks wonder if Drew, whose passion is often questioned, has the makeup for The Rivalry.


The Yanks would rather go short-term and pay heavy for a pitcher they like, notably Andy Pettitte if he decides to keep playing (http://www.nypost.com/seven/11142006/sports/yankees/the_right_moves_yankees_joel_sherman.htm?page=0), or perhaps Roger Clemens. Failing that, they saw a World Series in which Jeff Suppan and Jeff Weaver were heroes. They feel they have upgraded their scouting and are as likely to pluck a pitcher who will need just a one- or two-year contract - think Miguel Batista or Adam Eaton - who will pitch as well as, say, Padilla at a fraction of the cost. That is the right notion.


The New York Yankees are turning their attention to other free-agent pitchers, including Randy Wolf (http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/16005412.htm), who spent the last eight seasons with the Phillies. Wolf shares an agent with Mike Mussina, whom the Yankees are attempting to re-sign, and there have been indications that the Yanks could be trying to work a deal with Wolf, too


The Red Sox might not have the Blue Jays to worry about as competition for free agent shortstop Julio Lugo (http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=167251&format=text). According to talk here, the Jays decided to turn their attention to less expensive options after figuring they were unlikely to outbid the Sox, who always have liked Lugo. Lugo is expected to seek a four-year deal worth approximately $8 million a year.

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NJFINSFAN1
11-14-2006, 01:24 PM
El Duque is close to a two year 6 mil contract with the Mets.

Motion
11-14-2006, 01:54 PM
:)


Believe it or not, teams are contacting the Yankees about trading for right-hander Carl Pavano; the Rockies are one club that might have interest if the Yankees paid a portion of the $21 million that Pavano is owed over the next two seasons.

The Yankees, naturally, say they won't give Pavano away; their public position is that they want him to get healthy and be productive. Still, it's difficult to imagine the Yankees rejecting even a mediocre offer for a pitcher who has been a severe disappointment.

One rotation possibility that the Yankees might consider, with or without Pavano: Right-hander Scott Proctor, who was one of the team's best relievers last season.

UCFinfan86
11-14-2006, 01:56 PM
nice info motion, just wondering where you get it from though

Motion
11-14-2006, 01:58 PM
nice info motion, just wondering where you get it from though

My bad, forgot the :link:

http://www.benmaller.com/

phunwin
11-14-2006, 05:05 PM
My bad, forgot the :link:

http://www.benmaller.com/

You can also go to prosportsdaily.com. They have links to the news stories of the day, broken down by team. Each team has a rumor page.

NJFINSFAN1
11-14-2006, 11:12 PM
El Duque is signed with the Mets, its official

Motion
11-15-2006, 01:03 PM
The Orioles have gotten calls from three teams inquiring about the availability of Jaret Wright (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-sp.orioles15nov15,1,4789112,print.story?coll=bal-sports-baseball), the starting pitcher they acquired Sunday in a trade with the New York Yankees.

:lol:

MikeO
11-15-2006, 02:24 PM
Willy Mo Pena is on the trading Block. One rumor is Willy Mo from Boston to Houston in a deal for a pitcher like Qualls, Wheeler or Lidge

Although if its Lidge Boston will have to throw in another player or two.


http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=167408

Lidge can't close games in the NL anymore, I would LOVE to see him american league!!! LOVE!!!!!

Ray Finkle
11-15-2006, 02:44 PM
Willy Mo Pena is on the trading Block. One rumor is Willy Mo from Boston to Houston in a deal for a pitcher like Qualls, Wheeler or Lidge

Although if its Lidge Boston will have to throw in another player or two.


http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=167408

Lidge can't close games in the NL anymore, I would LOVE to see him american league!!! LOVE!!!!!

Sadly Lidge is an upgrade over everyone in the bullpen right now. I really thought Lidge was going to be a top closer until he met Albert Pujols in 2005 playoffs. Maybe all he needs is a change of uniforms to get back on track but I'm not sure Boston is the right fit.

MikeO
11-15-2006, 02:48 PM
Sadly Lidge is an upgrade over everyone in the bullpen right now. I really thought Lidge was going to be a top closer until he met Albert Pujols in 2005 playoffs. Maybe all he needs is a change of uniforms to get back on track but I'm not sure Boston is the right fit.

Every save in Boston is a "big spot". I think Lidge would melt under that spotlight.

His ERA and WHIP in Houston was horrible. That's pitching in the NL. In the AL he would get creamed.

Wheeler or Qualls would be a better fit.

MikeO
11-15-2006, 02:49 PM
and someone tell me again how the Arroyo-Willy Mo trade was good again for Boston.

They held onto Willy Mo for 1 year. Only used him as a part-time player. And will now move him for a guy who is probably a lesser pitcher than Arroyo is!!! And during that year, the Red Sox pitching (starting and relief) was god awful. Arroyo while maybe not great, would have been a better asset this year than Willy Mo. Either starting or in the pen!

Another bad trade!!

Ray Finkle
11-15-2006, 03:17 PM
and someone tell me again how the Arroyo-Willy Mo trade was good again for Boston.

They held onto Willy Mo for 1 year. Only used him as a part-time player. And will now move him for a guy who is probably a lesser pitcher than Arroyo is!!! And during that year, the Red Sox pitching (starting and relief) was god awful. Arroyo while maybe not great, would have been a better asset this year than Willy Mo. Either starting or in the pen!

Another bad trade!!

You're right if in fact Pena does get moved for a bullpen arm that's not a top closer, which they can't get for Wily Mo.

I thought at the time trading Arroyo for him was the right move for the future but if they're just going to piss him away for a pen arm then it's a bad move for sure.

icephinfan
11-15-2006, 06:31 PM
Lou Piniella confirmed that the next piece in the Cubs' puzzle would ideally be free-agent outfielder Alfonso Soriano. That list is believed to be headed by free agents Ted Lilly, Miguel Batista, Vicente Padilla and Japanese lefty Kei Igawa. Righty Gil Meche is another possibility.
-- Chicago Tribune

Motion
11-16-2006, 09:17 AM
Frank Thomas close to signing with Blue Jays

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6177240

MikeO
11-16-2006, 11:02 AM
Frank Thomas close to signing with Blue Jays

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6177240

Which means Barry Bonds is close to signing the Oakland A's

Motion
11-16-2006, 11:13 AM
Which means Barry Bonds is close to signing the Oakland A's

I heard Padres

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6176772

NJFINSFAN1
11-16-2006, 11:14 AM
Which means Barry Bonds is close to signing the Oakland A's

Padres are said to be making a play for Bonds.

Motion
11-16-2006, 11:20 AM
Just heard on the radio Derek Jeter is dating Jessica Biel

This is the rumors section right?

:D

FinsNYanksFan13
11-16-2006, 11:21 AM
Just heard on the radio Derek Jeter is dating Jessica Biel

This is the rumors section right?

:D


That lucky *******. I mean to go from that MTV chick, to a miss universe, to Jessica Biel is the life man. He's got it to good!

phunwin
11-16-2006, 12:08 PM
Bonds will stay with the Giants, don't believe the other rumors, though the A's at least make a modicum of sense as a landing spot.

The Tigers SHOULD be pursuing him, but won't now that they have Sheff. Apart from the fact that they'd have two DHs, a clubhouse with Bonds and Sheffield would be about as happy as the first hour of Schindler's List.

phunwin
11-16-2006, 12:13 PM
Every save in Boston is a "big spot". I think Lidge would melt under that spotlight.

His ERA and WHIP in Houston was horrible. That's pitching in the NL. In the AL he would get creamed.

Wheeler or Qualls would be a better fit.

Lidge and Foulke vying for the closer's role? That's like fighting a fire with gasoline. I wouldn't touch Lidge with a ten foot pole; he's now part of a long and storied history of closers who were utterly ruined by big postseason home runs...though he's at least better off than Donnie Moore.

What's that you say? "How's Billy Wagner going to do this year, Mets fan?" Uh, fine...I hope.

UCFinfan86
11-16-2006, 12:15 PM
Lidge and Foulke vying for the closer's role? That's like fighting a fire with gasoline. I wouldn't touch Lidge with a ten foot pole; he's now part of a long and storied history of closers who were utterly ruined by big postseason home runs...though he's at least better off than Donnie Moore.

What's that you say? "How's Billy Wagner going to do this year, Mets fan?" Uh, fine...I hope.

Foulke opted out, hes a FA

phunwin
11-16-2006, 12:20 PM
Foulke opted out, hes a FA

Wasn't he set to get something like $8M this year? Who on earth is going to pay him anywhere near that when he hasn't done a blessed thing since 2004? Who's his agent, and has his malpractice insurance premium been paid up?

MikeO
11-16-2006, 12:23 PM
Lidge and Foulke vying for the closer's role? That's like fighting a fire with gasoline. I wouldn't touch Lidge with a ten foot pole; he's now part of a long and storied history of closers who were utterly ruined by big postseason home runs...though he's at least better off than Donnie Moore.

What's that you say? "How's Billy Wagner going to do this year, Mets fan?" Uh, fine...I hope.

for as bad as Wagner is I would take him over Foulke or Lidge at this moment in time

GreenMonster
11-16-2006, 12:31 PM
Wow people would like Lidge over Foulke.. I mean Foulke is a distant memory of that pitcher that won the World Series for us.. Now his knees are so messed up, he has a hard time locating any pitch, which isn't good for a guy that throws in the high 80's low 90's.. I would rather take my chance with Lidge, and most teams would take Wagner in a heartbeat..

Ray Finkle
11-16-2006, 01:18 PM
Wasn't he set to get something like $8M this year? Who on earth is going to pay him anywhere near that when he hasn't done a blessed thing since 2004? Who's his agent, and has his malpractice insurance premium been paid up?

The Sox declined his 8 million option, Foulke had a 4 million player option but declined it because he hated Boston. It had nothing to do with the money, he just couldn't stand the media etc.

Ray Finkle
11-16-2006, 01:20 PM
Lastings Milledge and Aaron Heliman for Vernon Wells is the newest rumor. Wells would play RF, moving Green to LF.

IF this rumor is true the Mets should JUMP on this deal and sign Wells long term, only move him back to CF and put Beltran in RF.

Motion
11-16-2006, 01:28 PM
The Phillies quest to sign Alfonso Soriano is heating up. GM Pat Gillick confirmed that team officials would meet with the leftfielder's representatives today. A meeting between the sides that had been scheduled for yesterday had to be pushed back because of scheduling conflicts. Gillick confirmed that the team had not yet made an offer to Soriano, who also is drawing interest from the Dodgers, Angels, Cubs and Astros. Soriano is seeking a contract similar to the seven-year, $119 million deal that Carlos Beltran got from the Mets two winters ago. "We like him," Gillick said. "We're studying the situation." The Phillies definitely will talk money in their talks with Soriano's agents, but it's unclear whether an offer will come out of today's meeting. Word around baseball is that the Angels are ready to meet Soriano's price. (http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/16022653.htm) However, people close to Soriano have said he wants to stay on the East Coast.


Padres officials declined to comment on their interest in Barry Bonds. Asked about Bonds on Tuesday, A's general manager Billy Beane said he wouldn't tip his hand on any free-agent possibilities. Both clubs make sense on several levels. The Padres and A's prize on-base percentage; Bonds, for all his struggles last season, led the major leagues with a .454 on-base percentage. The A's and Padres also would be attractive destinations for Bonds, who isn't expected to leave the West Coast. (http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/sports/16025913.htm) But Oakland would have to bump its payroll to afford him, and the Padres might not have the cash to sign the seven-time MVP while meeting other needs. It's not known whether the Padres' interest in Bonds is legitimate or a bit of gamesmanship to force a division rival's hand.


The Red Sox aren't through yet. Multiple sources say they are set to sign free-agent outfielder J.D. Drew, the Phillies' old amigo, for a 4-year, $48 million deal (http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/sports/16024552.htm)


Two high-ranking officials from rival clubs said the Marlins had made it clear Dontrelle Willis isn't available (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/baseball/marlins/sfl-spmarnotes16nov16,0,2497719.story?coll=sfla-sports-marlins). "They're going to keep him," an American League source said. "They're saving their money so they can sign Dontrelle and [Miguel] Cabrera."

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As of now, Alex Rodriguez indicated last night, he doesn't plan to opt out. (http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/1163656960198980.xml&coll=1)"Options are there for protection and choice," Rodriguez said before the start of a celebrity poker tournament to raise money for his ARod Family Foundation. "And my choice is to play for the New York Yankees. "I love being a Yankee. I believe we're going to win with me being a Yankee, and I'm going to be, hopefully, a big part of it." Then again, asked if he meant that he will not be a free agent next year, Rodriguez said, "I didn't say that." After next season, Rodriguez will have $81 million left on his contract -- an amount much harder to leave on the table.


[URL="http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=167589&format=text"]Free agent shortstop Julio Lugo remains a prime target of the Red Sox (http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=167589&format=text), as well. The Red Sox spoke with Lugo’s agents before these meetings began on Monday and they are expected to speak with them before the meetings break up tonight.

:D

NJFINSFAN1
11-16-2006, 01:48 PM
Lastings Milledge and Aaron Heliman for Vernon Wells is the newest rumor. Wells would play RF, moving Green to LF.

IF this rumor is true the Mets should JUMP on this deal and sign Wells long term, only move him back to CF and put Beltran in RF.


:eek:

Ronnie Bass
11-16-2006, 02:06 PM
Lastings Milledge and Aaron Heliman for Vernon Wells is the newest rumor. Wells would play RF, moving Green to LF.

IF this rumor is true the Mets should JUMP on this deal and sign Wells long term, only move him back to CF and put Beltran in RF.

Where did you hear this one?

UCFinfan86
11-16-2006, 02:07 PM
Nice to see the marlins are trying to keep Dtrain and Miggy, now hopefully they aren't just talking and actually do it

NJFINSFAN1
11-16-2006, 02:11 PM
Where did you hear this one?

Like there would even be a chance we would move the Gold Glove winner in CF to RF.:goof:

finswin56
11-16-2006, 02:14 PM
Lastings Milledge and Aaron Heliman for Vernon Wells is the newest rumor. Wells would play RF, moving Green to LF.

IF this rumor is true the Mets should JUMP on this deal and sign Wells long term, only move him back to CF and put Beltran in RF.That would 1st degree larceny.

I LOVE IT!

finswin56
11-16-2006, 02:15 PM
Like there would even be a chance we would move the Gold Glove winner in CF to RF.:goof::lol: Poor Cameron. Wrong place, wrong time.

Pink_Dove
11-16-2006, 02:19 PM
If the Big Hurt signs with the Jays, it's a clear sign that Wells could be on his way out. Ted Rogers is a rich man, but they're not going to up the payroll another 20M like they did last off-season.

I do think Ricciardi is too smart a GM not to shop Wells around though. And you can be sure he'll find better offers than Milledge and Heilman for Wells. Also, I wouldn't be surprised to see him hang on to him until the trading deadline to see if the Jays can contend for a wild card spot.

Ray Finkle
11-16-2006, 02:28 PM
Where did you hear this one?

www.rotoworld.com (http://www.rotoworld.com)

Ray Finkle
11-16-2006, 02:29 PM
Like there would even be a chance we would move the Gold Glove winner in CF to RF.:goof:

Come on man, Wells is a much much better CFer than Beltran in terms of range, glove and arm (plus Wells won a GG himself I believe this year as well).

NJFINSFAN1
11-16-2006, 02:34 PM
Come on man, Wells is a much much better CFer than Beltran in terms of range, glove and arm (plus Wells won a GG himself I believe this year as well).

I would take Beltran in a heartbeat in CF over Wells.

finswin56
11-16-2006, 02:47 PM
I would take Beltran in a heartbeat in CF over Wells.IDK about heartbeat, but I think Ray is underselling Beltran. His play isn't flashy, and I think that leads people to underestimate him.
I never saw Joe Dimaggo play, but every description of his style sounds like what I see from Beltran. Beltran gets as good of a jump on the ball as I have ever seen. With that jump and his speed, Beltran is almost never in need of having to dive. His arm may not be a cannon, but it is more than adequate.

phunwin
11-16-2006, 03:23 PM
The Sox declined his 8 million option, Foulke had a 4 million player option but declined it because he hated Boston. It had nothing to do with the money, he just couldn't stand the media etc.

Fair enough. I'd still be stunned if he gets anywhere near what he turned down.


If the Big Hurt signs with the Jays, it's a clear sign that Wells could be on his way out. Ted Rogers is a rich man, but they're not going to up the payroll another 20M like they did last off-season.

I do think Ricciardi is too smart a GM not to shop Wells around though. And you can be sure he'll find better offers than Milledge and Heilman for Wells. Also, I wouldn't be surprised to see him hang on to him until the trading deadline to see if the Jays can contend for a wild card spot.

You've got it backwards. If Thomas signs with the Jays, it's a sign that Wells is probably sticking around for 2007, or at least wouldn't be traded unless the Jays fall out of the race. Any team that throws money at a guy like Thomas is obviously thinking short-term, not long-term. Wells, obviously, is a short-term guy in Toronto; they know he's leaving as a free agent after 2007. My guess is that they hang onto him, try and make a run this year, and trade him at the deadline only if they're out of it.

But Milledge + Heilman isn't enough to land Wells. JP Ricciardi is smarter than that. The Mets would probably have to include at least one more talented young pitcher.

As for Wells/Beltran...who cares? They're two of the top 5 defensive center fielders in baseball! More than likely, the Mets would move Wells, since Beltran is the more established guy with the team, and, to my observations, seems like the guy more likely to sulk about playing RF.

FIN-IN-RI
11-16-2006, 03:50 PM
JD Drew - 48 million - 4 years.. for the sox

Ray Finkle
11-16-2006, 03:57 PM
I'm pretty biased in this debate because I like both Wells and Beltran but I really think Wells is a better overall CFer than Beltran. I've watched both players a lot this year so it's not like I'm just throwing it out there. If I had them both on my team I'd stick Beltran in RF and Wells in CF. But again it's just my opinion.

And Wells really isn't flashy in CF either like an Edmonds or Griffey (was) type.

Ray Finkle
11-16-2006, 04:07 PM
Fair enough. I'd still be stunned if he gets anywhere near what he turned down.

I think Foulke knows he won't get more than maybe 2 million but I don't think he cares. He just wanted out of Boston so bad it's worth it for him.

phunwin
11-16-2006, 04:25 PM
JD Drew - 48 million - 4 years.. for the sox

That's interesting. His plate patience will fit their plan well, and he should benefit from being a complementary player, rather than being the focus of the offense.

phunwin
11-16-2006, 04:32 PM
Buster Olney's beating the Manny to the Mets drum in his column today. Long story short, he notes the exploding contracts all over baseball and says that compared to a lot of these guys, Ramirez is suddenly a bargain...


We say three years and $42 million because in the end, Ramirez, who has a full no-trade clause in his contract, will probably want a year added to the end of his current deal to make this happen. And the Red Sox will probably eat some of his salary -- but not nearly as much as would have been required to make a trade happen even two months ago.

The Red Sox will have to address the question of how much trading Ramirez hurts their lineup. Well, say that they sign both Julio Lugo and J.D. Drew, which seems to be a strong possibility. This is what their order could look like without Manny:

CF Coco Crisp
SS Julio Lugo
DH David Ortiz
RF J.D. Drew
1B Kevin Youkilis
C Jason Varitek
3B Mike Lowell
LF Wily Mo Pena
2B Dustin Pedroia

Not great. Not terrible. A work in progress. And, presumably, with the money saved on Ramirez's contract, they would work to add another hitter.

The Mets and the Red Sox would seem to fit perfectly in a possible Manny deal. He has long wanted to go to the Mets, they need a right-handed hitting slugger and they have the type of players the Red Sox would want in return -- reliever Aaron Heilman and top prospect Lastings Milledge. Imagine what the Mets' lineup would look like with Manny...

djfresh47
11-16-2006, 05:18 PM
Neal Cotts was traded to Cubs for a couple minor leaguers. He was alright last year but what sticks out most to me is when he was given a start vs the Yankees in the middle of a playoff push ahead of Buehrle and was awful. LHP are tough to come by but was expendable because of Thornton. Omar Minaya a long-time fan of Javiar Vazquez and Kenny Williams with 6 starters...

DonShula84
11-16-2006, 07:31 PM
Wells possibly to the Mets and Soriano doenst want to play on the West Coast, damnit :tantrum: . I'm really hoping the Angels dont get desperate and overpay in a trade for Tejada.

unifiedtheory
11-16-2006, 09:11 PM
If the Big Hurt signs with the Jays, it's a clear sign that Wells could be on his way out. Ted Rogers is a rich man, but they're not going to up the payroll another 20M like they did last off-season.

I do think Ricciardi is too smart a GM not to shop Wells around though. And you can be sure he'll find better offers than Milledge and Heilman for Wells. Also, I wouldn't be surprised to see him hang on to him until the trading deadline to see if the Jays can contend for a wild card spot.

I've heard that Ted gave J.P. the green light to spend another $20 million this year.

PHINATIC13
11-16-2006, 09:58 PM
Wells possibly to the Mets and Soriano doenst want to play on the West Coast, damnit :tantrum: . I'm really hoping the Angels dont get desperate and overpay in a trade for Tejada.

I believe we're still looking at Gary Matthews Jr. too(unless he's signed with Tex or other).I'd be happy with Zito and Matthews.I'd prefer Soriano.but we'll see.Also I think we might even give Piazza a lok for bench/DH power.I also heard we could possibly trade Santana to TOR for Wells.Heck I don't know,but Stoneman promised some big FA(s) this off season.:confused:

Perfect23
11-16-2006, 10:13 PM
I wonder who Jeremy Bonderman is gonna be traded to.

phunwin
11-16-2006, 11:32 PM
I wonder who Jeremy Bonderman is gonna be traded to.

You can stop wondering; he's staying put.


Wells possibly to the Mets and Soriano doenst want to play on the West Coast, damnit . I'm really hoping the Angels dont get desperate and overpay in a trade for Tejada.

I really don't think Wells is going anywhere. There's way more smoke than fire behind that one. As for the Angels, they really should have been in on Drew; they need a guy who can get on base in that lineup. BTW, I haven't seen any confirmation of the Drew deal apart from what Fin in RI was saying.

MikeO
11-17-2006, 12:47 AM
I really don't think Wells is going anywhere. There's way more smoke than fire behind that one. As for the Angels, they really should have been in on Drew; they need a guy who can get on base in that lineup. BTW, I haven't seen any confirmation of the Drew deal apart from what Fin in RI was saying.

Rumor is Drew is gonna get more money than what they offered Damon and some people in the front office are upset about that.

UCFinfan86
11-17-2006, 01:45 PM
• Tracy Ringolsby writes within this piece (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/sports_columnists/article/0,1299,DRMN_83_5150697,00.html) that the Red Sox are expected to sign J.D. Drew to a two-year, $30 million deal.

J.D. Drew's departure seems to have nudged the Dodgers into giving Nomar Garciaparra a multi-year deal (http://www.latimes.com/sports/printedition/la-sp-dodgers17nov17,1,7454248.story?coll=la-headlines-pe-sports).

The chances of Manny being moved (http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=167750&srvc=sports) have increased, writes Michael Silverman.

and frank thomas signed a 2yr/18mill deal with the BlueJays
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2665836

dominizzo
11-17-2006, 01:49 PM
Can anyone tell me any news about My SAN FRAn Giants!!


I know They wanted carlos Lee!!


Anyone else there interested in

UCFinfan86
11-17-2006, 01:52 PM
sorry motion im using your benmaller.com, but u didn't post it today :)

Quiet so far, the Angels are lurking with the intent of making a splash. They would love to sign Barry Zito and then send Ervin Santana and other young players to the Blue Jays for center fielder Vernon Wells or to the Devil Rays for left fielder Carl Crawford. (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/cs-061116whispers,1,2487316,print.story?coll=cs-home-headlines)

Don't rule out Roger Clemens joining the Red Sox staff. (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/11/17/ramrez_still_talk_of_the_town?mode=PF) If the Sox can convince Clemens to waive his family clause request (he goes home to Texas between starts) and come to Boston as a closer, it would solve Boston's biggest need.

According to industry sources, the Yankees have Hillenbrand high on their list. (http://www.nypost.com/seven/11172006/sports/yankees/shea_its_so_yankees_george_king.htm) Their plan is to use Jason Giambi as a DH, thus creating a need for a first baseman who isn't a left-handed hitter

One NL executive said he thought the Marlins might be willing to part with a young starter such as Scott Olsen or Josh Johnson in exchange for Tampa Bay's Rocco Baldelli to solve their center field needs. If Florida considered Lastings Milledge a center field option, the Mets certainly would offer him in a package, specifically for Johnson. (http://www.nypost.com/seven/11172006/sports/mets/execs__zito_will_end_up_a_met_mets_joel_sherman.htm?page=0)

Privately, Brian Cashman has said that contrary to what many seem to believe, Don Mattingly has not been designated by him as Joe Torre's successor for the simple reason that Mattingly has never managed anywhere. Based on this, Joe Girardi must be considered a candidate - a prime one - to replace Torre. (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/472246p-397338c.html)

The Red Sox have met with the Astros about their relievers’ availability, but one source said Brad Lidge’s name has not come up. Chad Qualls and Dan Wheeler have been discussed. (http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=167750&format=text)

UCFinfan86
11-17-2006, 01:53 PM
Can anyone tell me any news about My SAN FRAn Giants!!


I know They wanted carlos Lee!!


Anyone else there interested in

Mike Matheny is scheduled to undergo tests next month, but it appears the Giants will be forced to pursue another frontline catcher. The Chicago Cubs reportedly are open to the idea of trading catcher Michael Barrett for pitching help. (http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/sports/16036037.htm)

The Giants are ramping up their pursuit of a leadoff-hitting center fielder, with Juan Pierre and Gary Matthews Jr. the prime targets. (http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/sports/16036037.htm)

like2god
11-17-2006, 01:57 PM
Can anyone tell me any news about My SAN FRAn Giants!!


I know They wanted carlos Lee!!


Anyone else there interested in

I heard that they are interested in Lee, and have talked about Juan Pierre, Gary Matthews jr and even Soriano.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/11/17/SPG3LMEOHA1.DTL

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/baseball/mlb/san_francisco_giants/16034357.htm

.

finswin56
11-17-2006, 01:57 PM
sorry motion im using your benmaller.com, but u didn't post it today :)

Quiet so far, the Angels are lurking with the intent of making a splash. They would love to sign Barry Zito and then send Ervin Santana and other young players to the Blue Jays for center fielder Vernon Wells or to the Devil Rays for left fielder Carl Crawford. (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/cs-061116whispers,1,2487316,print.story?coll=cs-home-headlines)

Don't rule out Roger Clemens joining the Red Sox staff. (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/11/17/ramrez_still_talk_of_the_town?mode=PF) If the Sox can convince Clemens to waive his family clause request (he goes home to Texas between starts) and come to Boston as a closer, it would solve Boston's biggest need.

According to industry sources, the Yankees have Hillenbrand high on their list. (http://www.nypost.com/seven/11172006/sports/yankees/shea_its_so_yankees_george_king.htm) Their plan is to use Jason Giambi as a DH, thus creating a need for a first baseman who isn't a left-handed hitter

One NL executive said he thought the Marlins might be willing to part with a young starter such as Scott Olsen or Josh Johnson in exchange for Tampa Bay's Rocco Baldelli to solve their center field needs. If Florida considered Lastings Milledge a center field option, the Mets certainly would offer him in a package, specifically for Johnson. (http://www.nypost.com/seven/11172006/sports/mets/execs__zito_will_end_up_a_met_mets_joel_sherman.htm?page=0)

Privately, Brian Cashman has said that contrary to what many seem to believe, Don Mattingly has not been designated by him as Joe Torre's successor for the simple reason that Mattingly has never managed anywhere. Based on this, Joe Girardi must be considered a candidate - a prime one - to replace Torre. (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/472246p-397338c.html)

The Red Sox have met with the Astros about their relievers’ availability, but one source said Brad Lidge’s name has not come up. Chad Qualls and Dan Wheeler have been discussed. (http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=167750&format=text)Oh, now Johnson would be a very nice addition to the Mets' staff. I'm very cool on Lastings, but I don't know that Omar would do that straight up.

like2god
11-17-2006, 02:08 PM
From ESPN:



Blue Jays sign Thomas for two years, $18 million

TORONTO -- The Toronto Blue Jays (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=tor) finalized a two-year, $18 million contract with veteran slugger Frank Thomas (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=4527) on Friday.


The Blue Jays reached a tentative deal with the 38-year-old designated hitter Wednesday night and spent Thursday wrapping up the details.


The contract includes a $10 million option for the 2009 season.


Thomas led the Oakland Athletics (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=oak) with 39 homers and 114 RBI, batting .270 in 2006. He takes over Toronto's vacant DH spot.

In 17 big-league seasons, Thomas has hit .305 with 487 home runs and 1,579 RBI.
Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2665836