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Phinsome
11-01-2006, 03:38 PM
I know he started off with a strapped salary cap and we all should have known this before we reserved our superbowl seats. We know that we have some high priced veterans on the team that take a big portion of the salary cap.

1) The question is, how much has Saban contributed to fixing these problems?

2) What specifically has he actually done?

The word on the street and around the forum is that he is working towards fixing these problems. If that is true, despite our current sucky-ness, isn't fixing our cap situation about the best we can hope for at this point?

SCall13
11-01-2006, 03:56 PM
The only thing that really sticks out to me is that we seem to be heading to a better cap situation. Other than that, Saban doesn't really own any bragging rights yet.

I think Saban made the mistake in his first season to think that he could just plug some holes and we'd be a playoff contender. And, in his defense, I can see how he might have thought that initially. We were one year removed from a 10-6 season with basically the same personnel.
After the mediocre success at the end of last season, Saban probably fell in the same trap the fans did: thinking the Dolphins were better than they actually are. This years draft was by no means good and free agency turned out to be pretty bad. We went backward on the offensive line and our secondary, which was already somewhat of a liability, was also weakened.

I'm not ready to throw Saban to the wolves just yet. But I'm not anxious to sling compliments at him either. This team has more "Saban" players on it now that it does "Wanny" players, yet people still blame this teams problems on Wannstedt and Spielman. IMO, with the way free agency is, it doesn't take that long to purge a roster and rebuild. There are numerous cases to back this up. Look how quickly bad teams can be playoff caliber these days. People also blame some past trades (of our draft picks) for hurting us. And there is validity to that. But, one, it hasn't hurt us to the degree of making us a 1-6 team at this point. AND Saban has traded a few picks himself that haven't exactly been hits.

Anyway, I wish I could say that it's too early to judge. But it isn't. Saban has done a mediocre job at very best as we stand right now.

PHINBRED
11-01-2006, 05:48 PM
90 % Saban Players

aleta
11-01-2006, 05:50 PM
What Saban has done, he has screw us up to the bone!! We have so many mercenaries in this team(?) that we could be call the Miami Corsaries or Pirates.

Ps the don't care about the DOLPHINS!! they only care about there paycheck

mike71
11-01-2006, 06:09 PM
what saban has done is turn the dolphins into the laughing stock of the nfl. almost every personnel decision can be questioned and both drafts can also be questioned. to put it mildly, saban has been awful.

zonk4ever
11-01-2006, 07:15 PM
saban is a great leader he just needs great followers. to a man you ask these guys: are you willing to run thru a wall for nick and to a man... :boohoo:
Like Nick says: it's not about wins and losses, it's about the plan!

Phantom
11-01-2006, 07:20 PM
saban is a great leader he just needs great followers. to a man you ask these guys: are you willing to run thru a wall for nick and to a man... :boohoo:
Like Nick says: it's not about wins and losses, it's about the plan!Maybe he should stop teaching them to run through walls and start teaching them football, because they "Don't Get It".

Fish-Head
11-01-2006, 08:39 PM
The worst thing that could have happened to Saban was those six straight wins last year. It set up unreal expectations from the fans, front office and players. He was feeling the heat this offseason and it was unwarranted since this team was nowhere near as good as people thought. EVERYBODY is guilty of believing the hype (just look at how many sports writers had us pegged to go to the dance this year).

Having said that our weaknesses last year are still our weaknesses this year. The lack of any improvement in the secondary and Offensive line play can be laid squarely on his shoulders. We brought in a platoon of other teams cast offs to plug the secondary only to find out that we are not actually smarter than the other teams coaching staff and those players were cast off for a reason.

It is arguable that we have actually downgraded at the QB position which was inconceivable last season... Keep in mind that yes Drew Brees is playing the hell out of the position in New Orleans and Saban did try his best to land him before settling for Culpepper but close is only good in horseshoes and hand grenades. There were some bad personnel decisions (yes the cap dictated some) but in the end I dont think anyone can argue that this coaching staff is getting the most out of these players. I worry most about the evaluation of talent on this staff... It was a very poor draft last year and this year we appear to have a lock on a top 5 pick... Those are the kinds of picks that are supposed to turn franchises around... Stay tuned.

Whitedolphin54
11-01-2006, 09:01 PM
He has brought us two decent QB's, when we had none!

dolfn66
11-01-2006, 11:12 PM
He has brought us two decent QB's, when we had none!

Keyword there is decent. Gus was "decent", he did a good job managing the game for them late in the season. I don't think it would have hurt to bring him back as the starter for one more year. As far as Duante goes, I personally don't think he'll ever be the MVP candidate he was 2yrs ago.

Miamibyrd_24
11-01-2006, 11:26 PM
Why do people act like Saban is GOD, he's a coach. A coach that has only been here 2 years, a team that has potiential but deals with new coaches, not just one coach, new players, look at that word players not this player of that player......players.
My point is it a whole team effort in what happens, this year they were not as ready as the media hyped them up to be. But its just silly how people think one person overrules the outcome of the team.....yeah right.

You can bring J. Madden or who ever u want in to coach this team, if its not all together....guess what....we're in the same place we started. great on paper, but the total opposite on the field.

Aussiefinfan54
11-02-2006, 02:36 AM
he has dug us a pretty big hole.....thats about it

Phinsome
11-02-2006, 12:00 PM
My question still stands. What has he done about the salary cap? I'll start.

1) Dumped Madison and Surtain. 2 high priced CBs that were sucking up major cap space. As much as it is hard to see them go, it was the right
decision.
2) He brought in a bunch of low priced verterans that have little effect on our cap. That's value, regardless of whether they are mercenaries.
3) He needs time for his draft picks to pan out. Crowder is good. Allen will be great. I hope Manny Wright comes back, he is a beast. We al forget about Daniels because he ahs been injured, but he will be god for a while.
4) He signed Will Allen. [Begin flame war] Granted he has made some dumb mistakes, but hes younger and faster than Madison and I believe he will fit the system better once Saban teaches him better technique.
5) I really like the Goodman pickup too. Good player who was stuck in a crappy system. He will stick around.

Ok, now you all add to the list.

BennyVW
11-02-2006, 02:41 PM
My question still stands. What has he done about the salary cap? I'll start.

1) Dumped Madison and Surtain. 2 high priced CBs that were sucking up major cap space. As much as it is hard to see them go, it was the right
decision.
2) He brought in a bunch of low priced verterans that have little effect on our cap. That's value, regardless of whether they are mercenaries.
3) He needs time for his draft picks to pan out. Crowder is good. Allen will be great. I hope Manny Wright comes back, he is a beast. We al forget about Daniels because he ahs been injured, but he will be god for a while.
4) He signed Will Allen. [Begin flame war] Granted he has made some dumb mistakes, but hes younger and faster than Madison and I believe he will fit the system better once Saban teaches him better technique.
5) I really like the Goodman pickup too. Good player who was stuck in a crappy system. He will stick around.

Ok, now you all add to the list.

6)Enters 2007 26 million under the cap.
7) has all his first day picks for the first time. (and we'll pick in the top 10)
8) only 1 drafted player cut in 2 years....(aromashadu)

Phinsome
11-02-2006, 04:17 PM
6)Enters 2007 26 million under the cap.
7) has all his first day picks for the first time. (and we'll pick in the top 10)
8) only 1 drafted player cut in 2 years....(aromashadu)

Thank you Thank you. Positivism (that's the word, I looked it up). That's what I'm looking for. We have good guys on this team. Some are on haitus. Some are injured, but the future does look bright. We don't have all the guys we need, but we have a lot of draft picks next year, and a lot of money to spend in free agency. If we pick Calvin Johnson, the we need tackles in free agency. If we pick Joe Thomas, vice versa. Culpepper will be back and better than we have seen him. The oline will be stronger and the D will be more solid. Mularkey will be history and our young guys will be one year better and pissed off and sick of losing and ready to kick some tail. Positivism. Rational Positivism.

D_BO
11-03-2006, 03:49 PM
What Saban has done, he has screw us up to the bone!! We have so many mercenaries in this team(?) that we could be call the Miami Corsaries or Pirates.

Ps the don't care about the DOLPHINS!! they only care about there paycheck

you think the Dolphins are the only team with players that don't give a **** about the history of the franchise they are playing for?? :shakeno: