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WISfinfan13
11-07-2006, 11:34 AM
If Matt Leinart would have came out after his heisman trophy win...our team would be DREMATICALLY DIFFERENT here is my theory...

1) It was a known fact that Saban really liked Alex Smith...If Lienart came out i believe that the 49ers would have taken Lienart and Alex Smith would have been our QB...

2) In the second rould i believe we would have just missed out on JJ Arrington (they picked two picks before us)...And we would have drafted Eric Shelton instead of Matt Roth.

3) I believe we would have really struggled last year with Alex Smith...Everyone would have been pizzzed off but would have given Nick Saban a break calling it a rebuilding year and Alex Smith would have also been given the rookie QB break...

4) The Following draft would have been interesting...Im not quite sure where we would have drafted but i would say we wouldnt have won more than 3 games maybe four...I think we would have missed out on Reggie Bush (thank god) and would have drafted D'Brick and in the second round we would have been in position to take another Runningback since Ricky gets suspended again and probally would have drafted Lendale White...But who knows we may have had the first overall pick in this last draft and could have had Reggie Bush...Good news from some...But ill take Ronnie........


So we would have came into this year with...

QB-Alex Smith Instead QB-Daunte or Joey
RB-Eric Shelton RB-Ronnie Brown
RB-Lendale White RB-Sammy Morris
WR-Chris Chambers WR-Chris Chambers
WR-Marty Booker WR-Mary Booker
WR-Chad Jackson WR-Wes Welker
FB-Darian Barnes FB-Darian Barnes
RT-Vernon Carey RT-Vernon Carey
RG-Hadnot RG-Jeno James
C-Seth McKinney C-Hadnot
LG-Jeno James LG-Shelton
LT-D'Brick LT-McIntosh

So as you can see our team would be much different.....I think we would be worse off...but Saban would have been given a break coming in with a rookie QB...I believe we are better off this year...We need to make a few changes on the Offensive line...We need some one to step in and be a leader for that group...This should be our key this offseason...Get a veteran offensive lineman who will lead this group and it would make all the difference in the world...Thats why i think it was a big mistake not drafting Kevin Mawea this offseason...This is a vetran guy hungry for a ring and would be a great leader for a group that i believe has a bunch of talent just needs some on the field guidance...They proved last sunday against Chicago they can do it...It looked like a different group of guys...But anyways this is my Matt Leinart theory and im sticking to it...And i would just like to say thankyou for staying in school and getting that basketball player pregnant Matt...Our team is better and will be better in the future because of your college hornyness (if that is even a word)

WISfinfan13
11-07-2006, 11:44 AM
Sorry got alittle long but its interesting to think about....

RevRick
11-07-2006, 11:48 AM
to speculate about such things. But, it also reminds me of one of Grandpa's old saws: If a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his butt when he lands. And if a cow had wings, we'd all be carrying heavy umbrellas.

Brown42000
11-07-2006, 11:49 AM
You have a very interesting imagination.

Brown42000
11-07-2006, 11:50 AM
to speculate about such things. But, it also reminds me of one of Grandpa's old saws: If a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his butt when he lands. And if a cow had wings, we'd all be carrying heavy umbrellas.
Was your Grandpa a hillbilly.

Boomer
11-07-2006, 11:51 AM
Actually, Smith was much less of a target than was made out by the 'press' and there is no way that either Shelton or Arrington (neither of whom have amounted to a thing) would have been considered targets to start longterm.

The real round 2 target was Corey Webster. Roth was a solid 2nd rounder.

But in R1, Ronnie Brown was the man they wanted all along.

Boomer
11-07-2006, 11:52 AM
to speculate about such things. But, it also reminds me of one of Grandpa's old saws: If a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his butt when he lands. And if a cow had wings, we'd all be carrying heavy umbrellas.

Hey Rev......

Long time no speak my friend.

How goes it?

Boom.

dlockz
11-07-2006, 12:05 PM
If Matt Leinart would have came out after his heisman trophy win...our team would be DREMATICALLY DIFFERENT here is my theory...

1) It was a known fact that Saban really liked Alex Smith...If Lienart came out i believe that the 49ers would have taken Lienart and Alex Smith would have been our QB...

2) In the second rould i believe we would have just missed out on JJ Arrington (they picked two picks before us)...And we would have drafted Eric Shelton instead of Matt Roth.

3) I believe we would have really struggled last year with Alex Smith...Everyone would have been pizzzed off but would have given Nick Saban a break calling it a rebuilding year and Alex Smith would have also been given the rookie QB break...

4) The Following draft would have been interesting...Im not quite sure where we would have drafted but i would say we wouldnt have won more than 3 games maybe four...I think we would have missed out on Reggie Bush (thank god) and would have drafted D'Brick and in the second round we would have been in position to take another Runningback since Ricky gets suspended again and probally would have drafted Lendale White...But who knows we may have had the first overall pick in this last draft and could have had Reggie Bush...Good news from some...But ill take Ronnie........


So we would have came into this year with...

QB-Alex Smith Instead QB-Daunte or Joey
RB-Eric Shelton RB-Ronnie Brown
RB-Lendale White RB-Sammy Morris
WR-Chris Chambers WR-Chris Chambers
WR-Marty Booker WR-Mary Booker
WR-Chad Jackson WR-Wes Welker
FB-Darian Barnes FB-Darian Barnes
RT-Vernon Carey RT-Vernon Carey
RG-Hadnot RG-Jeno James
C-Seth McKinney C-Hadnot
LG-Jeno James LG-Shelton
LT-D'Brick LT-McIntosh

So as you can see our team would be much different.....I think we would be worse off...but Saban would have been given a break coming in with a rookie QB...I believe we are better off this year...We need to make a few changes on the Offensive line...We need some one to step in and be a leader for that group...This should be our key this offseason...Get a veteran offensive lineman who will lead this group and it would make all the difference in the world...Thats why i think it was a big mistake not drafting Kevin Mawea this offseason...This is a vetran guy hungry for a ring and would be a great leader for a group that i believe has a bunch of talent just needs some on the field guidance...They proved last sunday against Chicago they can do it...It looked like a different group of guys...But anyways this is my Matt Leinart theory and im sticking to it...And i would just like to say thankyou for staying in school and getting that basketball player pregnant Matt...Our team is better and will be better in the future because of your college hornyness (if that is even a word)


Hard to speculate on our second round pick but we probably would take a RB first this year if we had taken Shelton depending on how he turned out. I'm not so sure that Alex Smith would not have been just as good a pick as Ronnie in the long run. The kid looks like a pretty good QB and is doing better than Harrington with lesser weapons. Everyone bashed this kid last year but put Ben Rothlisburger on a bad team and you probably get worse results than Leinhart this year. It would have been nice to be able to move up and take Leinhart this year, just not sure what it would have cost. This guy had top level talent and fell to 11th so it may have been worth it but once we made the Culpepper trade our fate was sealed at QB. The Roth pick would not break us or make us but he does seem to be a decent player. If the draft turnned out the way u suggested I would rather have Debrick, Smith and White and Jackson than Allen, Brown and Roth. We need to improve our line throught the draft. We could have been in decent shape if we had traded down and took Mcneil this year but at least Toledo has somebody to pay for his medical bills for the next few seasons. Final note just because I would rather have the Debrick combo does not equal Ronnie bashing geesh.

Pennington's Rocket Arm
11-07-2006, 12:07 PM
it's an interesting discussion to say the least. i thought about it a little while ago myself. hard to say if we would've taken smith or not, although all signs point to "no." still....it's interesting to think about.

RevRick
11-07-2006, 12:07 PM
Was your Grandpa a hillbilly.

No. Just from the South. We have all kinds of 'sayins' down here. Like "Bragging about your parents is like a lizard bragging about being a dinosaur on his Mama's side."


or

"I feel so low I'd have to get a step ladder to scratch a snake's belly!"

dlockz
11-07-2006, 12:13 PM
You could also speculate that if we could have traded down with Minnesota thus giving them Braylon or Ronnie we could have had an Alex Barron and Derrick Johnson or Shawn Merriman which would not have been too shabby. I doubt that any team made a strong push to move up in one of the perceived weaker drafts to get anybody. . Also no team usually admits that oh yeah he was our second choice, I'm sure Tampa was not going oh yea, we wanted Ronnie Brown all along but we settled for Caddy, its all a shell game. We have no idea who the Dolphin's really wanted because Teams just dont say he was our second choice. We only know that SanFrancsco liked Alex Smith best. The only way we would have known that Ronnie was our top choice was if we had a choice with Smith and Brown and took Brown.

RevRick
11-07-2006, 12:22 PM
Hey Rev......

Long time no speak my friend.

How goes it?

Boom.

Hey, Boom. Busier than a one legged man in a fanny kicking contest the last two months - and we're not even in Advent yet! That's what comes with revitalizing a congregation, though. It's fun, but not for the faint of heart. We had a young man preach his first sermon last week - things to come, it appears.

I enjoy your insights into players a lot. And I really hope that we can get into a position to get a couple of good OL this time around. The team really needs to invest in that area, to me, more than any other unless we find ourselves in a position to draft a franchise QB, which you still do when there are any questions about the current crop, IMO.

Gardenhead
11-07-2006, 12:34 PM
Half of me wants to praise you for an interesting topic.

The other half wants to say the old line about if your grandma had balls she'd be your grandpa!

To address your topic, I actually like the direction we're headed. I believe in Daunte--a healthy Daunte. Alex Smith has shown me nothing.

But I'd take a healthy Alex Smith over a shot Daunte. Time will tell.....

Rick 1966
11-07-2006, 02:16 PM
I don't know how good Alex Smith is...of course SF sucks, but I don't know how much is his fault. Frankly, I would rather we had gotten our hands on Matt Leinart.

Regan21286
11-07-2006, 02:23 PM
It's nice to speculate but it's just wishful thinking. I'd actually prefer Leinart over Smith.

As for rookie QB break, I think few on this forum would give him that. We have posters who yell at low round picks Evans and Wright for being a waste of space.

dlockz
11-07-2006, 02:31 PM
It's nice to speculate but it's just wishful thinking. I'd actually prefer Leinart over Smith.

As for rookie QB break, I think few on this forum would give him that. We have posters who yell at low round picks Evans and Wright for being a waste of space.

I would prefer Leinhart over anybody we drafted in the first round since Marino.

Stitches
11-07-2006, 02:59 PM
I would prefer Leinhart over anybody we drafted in the first round since Marino.

Even Webb?

PhinSoldia
11-07-2006, 03:02 PM
But in R1, Ronnie Brown was the man they wanted all along.

i agree... and the only thing about linehart coming out early would have been trade bate to trade down a little more....he didnt so we had to string Braylon Edwards along

dlockz
11-07-2006, 03:08 PM
Even Webb?

Yes, although Webb was a top flight tackle, we have ignored QB in the draft for way too long. Webb and Vincent were both very good picks.

dlockz
11-07-2006, 03:10 PM
i agree... and the only thing about linehart coming out early would have been trade bate to trade down a little more....he didnt so we had to string Braylon Edwards along

Not sure he would have been such good bait, since he slid quite a bit this year. Nobody seemed willing to give us squat for the second pick. I do think we wanted to trade down but sure the offers were underwhelming.

Ronski_doodle
11-07-2006, 03:12 PM
Linehart staying in school and Dbrickashaw staying made it a Ronnie only choice for Nick.

Boomer at this stage of Ronnies developement do you think we are better off with Ronnie, or lets say we could trade him for Dbrick or Linehart.
Just looking for your insight and perspective.

Motion
11-07-2006, 03:30 PM
LenDale White?

Ugh, thank you Matt for staying in school.

Motion
11-07-2006, 03:31 PM
Thats why i think it was a big mistake not drafting Kevin Mawea this offseason
:confused:

dlockz
11-07-2006, 07:23 PM
LenDale White?

Ugh, thank you Matt for staying in school.

Franchise qB'S are harder to find than good runningabcks although this history has a tendency to lapse when we find one of these positions.

Roman529
11-07-2006, 11:58 PM
There's a lot of "what ifs"...Pittsburgh shoulda/coulda drafted Dan Marino in the first round....things might have been very different for the Steelers and us....but I for one am very happy we took Dan, even though we never won a SB with him.

dominizzo
11-08-2006, 12:24 AM
Matt "Lionheart" Leinart did us a favor by staying in School

Dolfan_Noles
11-08-2006, 12:26 AM
That is a lot of speculation...but in all fairness, Eric Shelton is a FA right now, he got cut by the Panthers. If we wanted him, we would have him.