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shanem40
11-18-2006, 08:25 PM
every year many fans complain about the bcs but every year it works it slef out and we always get a great game including one of the best game of all time last year and could you immagine if michigan and ohio state would have rest there player today for a palyoff

Alex44
11-18-2006, 08:33 PM
Why would they rest their players today?

If there is ever a playoff it will most likely be a four team playoff, and losing a game could knock you out of the top four. So they wouldnt rest them, that point isnt valid.

Not to mention things DONT always work themselves out. Auburn should have had a shot a couple years ago and Rutgers could go undefeated and not even have any chance at all.

Roman529
11-18-2006, 08:45 PM
We need a playoff system.....look at Boise State..they may run the table and get no shot.....is this fair??? NOOOOO.

shanem40
11-18-2006, 08:47 PM
We need a playoff system.....look at Boise State..they may run the table and get no shot.....is this fair??? NOOOOO.yea its fair becuse nobody can tell me boise state could compete with the two teams that played today when they play teams like montana st.

shanem40
11-18-2006, 08:51 PM
Why would they rest their players today?

If there is ever a playoff it will most likely be a four team playoff, and losing a game could knock you out of the top four. So they wouldnt rest them, that point isnt valid.

Not to mention things DONT always work themselves out. Auburn should have had a shot a couple years ago and Rutgers could go undefeated and not even have any chance at all.maybe an add one but still usc was by far the best team in the country that year

finswin56
11-18-2006, 09:32 PM
who needs a playoff
Anyone who's a fan of college football, and anyone who wants to see the National Champion properly crowned... Unless you think every other sports organization has it wrong by using a playoff. Hey, if you think more subjectivity and less objectivity means a better system, then all the power to you. You must be living a very happy life.
I mean, who doesn't want to see college coaches, that don't even get to watch the other games, vote (undisclosed) on who gets to play for the national championship?

Arguments about a playoff system being bad because it would lessen games like today's OSU/Michigan game are absurd.
How many times have two arch rivals faced off as 1 and 2 this late into a season?
How many other games this week and next would mean even more if there were a playoff:
USC/Cal
USC/ND
UF/Arkansas SEC Champion (if one loss)
Rutgers/WV

So, one game is lessened, but FOUR have even great meaning.

MikeO
11-18-2006, 10:37 PM
yea its fair becuse nobody can tell me boise state could compete with the two teams that played today when they play teams like montana st.

George Mason. Buster Douglas.

Nuff said!

HysterikiLL
11-18-2006, 10:51 PM
I would actually be in favor of a 4 team playoff on top of the standard BCS games. They could have the two semi-finals in BCS week and then the national championship the week following, which is when the nat'l championship will be played this year anyway, so it'd only be one more game, pretty much diffusing all this "can't have a playoff in a sport this physical" crap.

Having said that, a 4 team playoff would only push the controversy that currently surrounds the 3rd and 4th ranked teams back onto those ranked 5th and 6th that would still miss out on the playoffs.

Amars
11-18-2006, 10:58 PM
Just a +1 playoff would solve everything.

Alex44
11-18-2006, 11:06 PM
yea its fair becuse nobody can tell me boise state could compete with the two teams that played today when they play teams like montana st.

All those kids did was go out and do their best to win games, and they did it every time out. They didnt decide who they played, so is it fair to punish them for going out and winning?

Im not saying they are a good team or should be a top 10 team, just saying they only did what they were supposed to.

finswin56
11-18-2006, 11:16 PM
I would actually be in favor of a 4 team playoff on top of the standard BCS games. They could have the two semi-finals in BCS week and then the national championship the week following, which is when the nat'l championship will be played this year anyway, so it'd only be one more game, pretty much diffusing all this "can't have a playoff in a sport this physical" crap.

Having said that, a 4 team playoff would only push the controversy that currently surrounds the 3rd and 4th ranked teams back onto those ranked 5th and 6th that would still miss out on the playoffs.I prefer an 8 team playoff, but a +1 would be a huge step in the right direction.
There would still be controversy, but even doing a +1 will lessent the margin for error in a system ruled by far to much subjectivity.

finswin56
11-18-2006, 11:19 PM
All those kids did was go out and do their best to win games, and they did it every time out. They didnt decide who they played, so is it fair to punish them for going out and winning?

Im not saying they are a good team or should be a top 10 team, just saying they only did what they were supposed to.Well it's not just about "punishing" those kids. The kids playing for teams that play a respectable schedule deserve every bit as much respect. It's the universities that are being punished, not just the kids. If you want to be considered for the NC, then you have to ensure that your team plays a schedule deserving of such an honor... especially if your conference doesn't provide that level of competition.

Alex44
11-18-2006, 11:30 PM
Well it's not just about "punishing" those kids. The kids playing for teams that play a respectable schedule deserve every bit as much respect. It's the universities that are being punished, not just the kids. If you want to be considered for the NC, then you have to ensure that your team plays a schedule deserving of such an honor... especially if your conference doesn't provide that level of competition.

Im not saying they should be playing for a NC or anything.

The kids didnt make the schedule though, they just played the games. They won all the games they played. So they should get some level of respect from people.

MikeO
11-18-2006, 11:33 PM
A playoff will NEVER happen.

A plus 1 game is very possible and probably will happen for the next contract as long as the SEC doens't block it. And since NOT having a plus 1 always seems to hurt their teams......I'm guessing they have changed their stance on it.

Kdawg954
11-19-2006, 12:32 AM
Iono but it would be nice to have like a 8 team playoff.

Ohio State
Michigan
SEC Winner
USC
Notre DAme
Big East Winner
ACC Winner
Big 12 Winner

LoL even with this, still no room for Boise State . . . nothing seems to work.

finswin56
11-19-2006, 12:55 AM
Iono but it would be nice to have like a 8 team playoff.

Ohio State
Michigan
SEC Winner
USC
Notre DAme
Big East Winner
ACC Winner
Big 12 Winner

LoL even with this, still no room for Boise State . . . nothing seems to work.Take out the two loss ACC winner, or USC/ND loser. It's still a tough call, but FAR better than the current system.

Kdawg954
11-19-2006, 01:13 AM
Take out the two loss ACC winner, or USC/ND loser. It's still a tough call, but FAR better than the current system.

Nah I mean u gotta throw in the conference winners from the 6 major ones. How can u win a big conference like the ACC and not be in the title game . . .even in a off year, that just wouldn't be right.

finswin56
11-19-2006, 01:21 AM
Nah I mean u gotta throw in the conference winners from the 6 major ones. How can u win a big conference like the ACC and not be in the title game . . .even in a off year, that just wouldn't be right.I'd have no problem with it. The whole thing is based on subjective voting anyway. Why should there be automatics?

rafael
11-19-2006, 01:25 AM
A playoff is needed by anyone who prefers that the games be decided on the field. Right now all we have is a fantasy football version.

Kdawg954
11-19-2006, 01:40 AM
I'd have no problem with it. The whole thing is based on subjective voting anyway. Why should there be automatics?

I mean u are right, the best teams should be there. But I just don't believe u could disregard a conference champion from one of the major conferences. I mean I don't wanna see 4 SEC teams in the playoff because they "may" be 4 of the best 8 teams . . . thats kind of what the season is for. I wanna see the conference winners and 2 "at Large" teams.

Daunt8TDChris84
11-19-2006, 01:59 AM
every year many fans complain about the bcs but every year it works it slef out and we always get a great game including one of the best game of all time last year and could you immagine if michigan and ohio state would have rest there player today for a palyoff

dawg you sure u 17 you sound more like 14.

man this aint no nfl you dont rest your players in college who cares, college is a 1-loss you might get knocked out type of thing nfl is not like that.

you do know they play week in and week out.

:shakeno:

Daunt8TDChris84
11-19-2006, 02:06 AM
make it the the top 16 bcs ranked teams in the country playoff.

florida better not go to the champioship game because they will get killed that style they play with qb switching is gonna kill themselves, tebow still a freshman and can wait and leak lol man will be a disaster to happen vs ohio state.

im not sold on usc yet, notre dame should get a chance but to be honest,
why should the irish get the 2nd slot when they got killed by michigan and michigan almost beat ohio state, therefore its not fair and i will not like notre dame in the championship game.

I want to see michigan vs ohio state in the championship game they played hard and man just watching the game felt so cool because of the announcer soft pitched smooth voice hes definitely the best announcer all calm makes you want to relax and enjoy the game.

Anyway they have to rematch theyre the best 2 teams in the country man that game is gonna be so intense and its a chance for troy smith to show what he got.

finswin56
11-19-2006, 07:59 AM
make it the the top 16 bcs ranked teams in the country playoff.

florida better not go to the champioship game because they will get killed that style they play with qb switching is gonna kill themselves, tebow still a freshman and can wait and leak lol man will be a disaster to happen vs ohio state.

im not sold on usc yet, notre dame should get a chance but to be honest,
why should the irish get the 2nd slot when they got killed by michigan and michigan almost beat ohio state, therefore its not fair and i will not like notre dame in the championship game.

I want to see michigan vs ohio state in the championship game they played hard and man just watching the game felt so cool because of the announcer soft pitched smooth voice hes definitely the best announcer all calm makes you want to relax and enjoy the game.

Anyway they have to rematch theyre the best 2 teams in the country man that game is gonna be so intense and its a chance for troy smith to show what he got.Hold on. Let me get this rationale straight:
Florida will get "killed"
You're not sold on USC
But you think ND DESERVES a shot???

Dude either pass that pipe or turn on your TV

MikeO
11-19-2006, 01:35 PM
make it the the top 16 bcs ranked teams in the country playoff.



Never happen. Too many teams

The NCAA (and TV networks) don't want the football season to take ratings, money, and advertising dollars away from COLLEGE HOOPS which gets into conference play with big games in January.

They want the football season OVER WITH by that 1st week in Jan

primetime23
11-21-2006, 05:06 AM
every year many fans complain about the bcs but every year it works it slef out and we always get a great game including one of the best game of all time last year and could you immagine if michigan and ohio state would have rest there player today for a palyoff

I dunno if a playoff will solve things because most likely if it was a playoff you'll have around 4-8 teams in the playoff. So then who would decide who goes to the playoff? if other teams are left out they will be complaining that they have the same record and deserved to go. So it would be the same.

DonShula84
11-21-2006, 07:08 AM
Hold on. Let me get this rationale straight:
Florida will get "killed"
You're not sold on USC
But you think ND DESERVES a shot???

Dude either pass that pipe or turn on your TV

Sounds about right :wink:

finswin56
11-21-2006, 09:03 AM
Sounds about right :wink::lol:

Pennington's Rocket Arm
11-21-2006, 09:19 AM
Take out the two loss ACC winner, or USC/ND loser. It's still tough call, but FAR better than the current system.
the ONLY way you'll ever have an 8-team playoff is if there are automatic conference tie-ins.

Stitches
11-21-2006, 09:21 AM
the ONLY way you'll ever have an 8-team playoff is if there are automatic conference tie-ins.

So let's tie in every conference. :tongue:

finswin56
11-21-2006, 11:40 AM
the ONLY way you'll ever have an 8-team playoff is if there are automatic conference tie-ins.I'm sure the politics of the NCAA would make that the case. I wasn't arguing what would happen, just what I think would be better.
Use the top 8 in the BCS, although the BCS still needs to be tweaked. The quality of a team's loss should be factored in, or at least more, if it isn't already.

Pennington's Rocket Arm
11-21-2006, 12:06 PM
I'm sure the politics of the NCAA would make that the case. I wasn't arguing what would happen, just what I think would be better.
Use the top 8 in the BCS, although the BCS still needs to be tweaked. The quality of a team's loss should be factored in, or at least more, if it isn't already.
i disagree about the quality-loss thing. i want teams to be rewarded for wins, and i don't want to see a team getting in over another team just because they had a better loss, which is just ONE game, out of a season of 12 games. focus on the season as a whole, and on the quality of WINS.

finswin56
11-21-2006, 12:11 PM
i disagree about the quality-loss thing. i want teams to be rewarded for wins, and i don't want to see a team getting in over another team just because they had a better loss, which is just ONE game, out of a season of 12 games. focus on the season as a whole, and on the quality of WINS.With a system that involves so much subjective analysis, you have to consider how a team loses. To whom, and where.

Stitches
11-21-2006, 12:18 PM
i disagree about the quality-loss thing. i want teams to be rewarded for wins, and i don't want to see a team getting in over another team just because they had a better loss, which is just ONE game, out of a season of 12 games. focus on the season as a whole, and on the quality of WINS.

Boise State?

:hide:

Motion
11-21-2006, 12:22 PM
I want to see michigan vs ohio state in the championship game they played hard and man just watching the game felt so cool because of the announcer soft pitched smooth voice hes definitely the best announcer all calm makes you want to relax and enjoy the game.


Well that settles it. Re-match based on the fact that ABC picked Musberger to do the play-by-play! :sidelol:

Stitches
11-21-2006, 12:23 PM
Well that settles it. Re-match based on the fact that ABC picked Musberger to do the play-by-play! :sidelol:

But I want Keith Jackson... :pout:

Motion
11-21-2006, 12:27 PM
But I want Keith Jackson... :pout:

I want Verne Lundquist

Stitches
11-21-2006, 12:29 PM
I want Verne Lundquist

He'd be goo too.