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-81- McMichael
05-15-2003, 10:56 AM
Offense this, offense that... blah, blah, blah!

Here's one for you:

Miami finished last year with the 15th ranked offense, right?

So who finished with the 24th ranked offense?

Same team that, out of last year's 12 playoff contenders, had the lowest ranked offense? Hmmm...

Oh, yeah! How about that! The Super Bowl Champion Tampa Bay Bucs! Imagine that!

I wish people would get off our offense and look at reality.

- First and foremost, we had the NFL's leading rusher. That's special, dammit. Remember the last time we had that. No? Didn't think so.

- Also, we were ONLY in our first year with Norv's offense. ANYBODY in the NFL will tell you that's a factor (not in your favor).

- We had major injuries to key offensive players. Enough said.

- Our backups at QB and WR were inadequate (and I'm being really polite here).

This year... everybody should be A LOT more comfortable with what Norv's trying to do here.

This year... Ricky's going to play more downs (that's just scary - to the opposing team, methinks).

This year... our o-line is (so far - knock on wood) healthier than last year.

This year... we do NOT have Lucas at backup QB. (BEST off-season move, IMHO - even over Jr.). In turn, we should be getting Griese. Solid backup.

This year... WR looks like it should be vastly improved, including backups.

Finally, this year... we were smart enought to resign Konrad, and McMichael will have a year's worth of NFL experience under his belt.

Don't know about everybody else, but I see PLENTY of reason for optomism.

All the nay-sayers can just kiss my :booty:

GO'PHINS! :rocker:

Clumpy
05-15-2003, 10:59 AM
It's optimism :rolleyes:

-81- McMichael
05-15-2003, 11:04 AM
SPELL CHECK! :sleep:


Originally posted by clumpedplatelet
It's optimism :rolleyes:

Thanks CLUMP! It's going to be fun intercepting and sacking Bleedso's sorry butt this year.

Penthos
05-15-2003, 11:11 AM
Good post 81, Im sick of it too.

Tatonka
05-15-2003, 11:17 AM
sometimes the truth hurts :D

good point on tampa though.

XoPhinsoX
05-15-2003, 11:21 AM
Maybe everyone is running out of things to trash talk Miami on..?

It's either the "half ass Offense" or the "mediocre" season/history we have.

Which to me..is funny.
IMO our Offense is better then Tampa's. I mean they have to turn to their full back to be a HB half the time ;). I guess whatever works, works.
I just think a lot of Tampas players (reason I hate Tampa as much as NE) is because they're are SO arrogant. Is that good? Perhaps. But they've been doing it since they had a losing season (Sapp, Keyshawn) are some of the top 2 that annoy me the most in the NFL.

-81- McMichael
05-15-2003, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by XoPhinsoX
Maybe everyone is running out of things to trash talk Miami on..?

I just think a lot of Tampas players (reason I hate Tampa as much as NE) is because they're are SO arrogant. Is that good? Perhaps. But they've been doing it since they had a losing season (Sapp, Keyshawn) are some of the top 2 that annoy me the most in the NFL.

I am soooooo glad the 'Phins don't have any players as arrogant and self-absorbed as Sapp and Keyshawn. Especially Sapp.

The infamous hit on that Green Bay lineman last year will forever be eched in my mind. Worse, his attitude about it afterwards. No remorse at all. Unbelievable.

You know, the day Sapp gets laid out with some horrible career-ending injury himself... I'll have only one word to say... karma... (the bastard)

Clumpy
05-15-2003, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by -81- McMichael
SPELL CHECK! :sleep:



Thanks CLUMP! It's going to be fun intercepting and sacking Bleedso's sorry butt this year.


How so? Y'all didn't do it last year :lol:

Justasportsfan
05-15-2003, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by XoPhinsoX

Which to me..is funny.
IMO our Offense is better then Tampa's. I mean they have to turn to their full back to be a HB half the time ;). I guess whatever works, works.


What's funnier is you criticizing their O when they are the chapms and you're not.

-81- McMichael
05-15-2003, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by clumpedplatelet


How so? Y'all didn't do it last year :lol:

Sorry, Clump, maybe I can make it a little easier for you to understand. Ok? Here goes, again:

It's going to be fun intercepting and sacking Bleedso's sorry butt THIS YEAR.

That better for ya?

You know, the Jills really do look like they're going to be a better team this year. Of course, that way, it'll just mean that much more when we whoop your asses! :D ;) :tongue: (all in good fun)

T-ROCK
05-15-2003, 11:56 AM
There's always something to point your finger at, but there was only one thing that played no part in our not making the playoffs... Ricky Williams and the O-line... Imagine that, the Miami Dolphins running game NOT costing them a playoff season...

finfan54
05-15-2003, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by Tatonka
sometimes the truth hurts :D

good point on tampa though.


here is the truth:

Fielder got hurt, out six games, rusty coming back (griese will solve that prob)

ray lucas sucked

same time, chambers out two games with concussion, rusty coming back.

Same time, orande gadsden out for the year (by his own choosing).

It doenst take a brain surgeon to figure out what our problem was last year. that is why i love this year. it is all good if we get brian griese.

Our upside is way way better than most anyone with our draft picks and people we have gotten in teh offseason and our guys in WFL. that is truth.

teh fact is that we have to stay healthy. so does everyone else. I look at it this way. The buffalo bills were very lucky with injuries last year and went 8-8. we were very unlucky and went 9-7 as did the rest of the division. we have depth at most every position except LT.

PhinPhan1227
05-15-2003, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by T-ROCK
There's always something to point your finger at, but there was only one thing that played no part in our not making the playoffs... Ricky Williams and the O-line... Imagine that, the Miami Dolphins running game NOT costing them a playoff season...


Yes it did T. It cost them a playoff season by NOT being used for three downs in the last game when it counted!!!:fire:

XoPhinsoX
05-15-2003, 12:13 PM
justafan, you're like talking to a 6th grader.

I wasn't criticizing Tampa's offense I just stated that I(I) think our Offense is more talented.
Afterwards I said "Whatever works, works" which is true.

Clumpy
05-15-2003, 12:48 PM
SWEEP!!

minus
05-15-2003, 12:51 PM
Originally posted by clumpedplatelet
SWEEP!!

That was las year so if you want to look back:

JAY FIEDLER 4-0 Starting against the Bills.....................Enough Said.

Justasportsfan
05-15-2003, 01:03 PM
Drew 2-0 against fins as a bill.

Flipper34
05-15-2003, 01:46 PM
well miami's offense has the ability to be one of the best. i mean we have a good pass receving TE. a couple good Receivers. the best RB in the league. all we need is for fiedler to make the right decisions.

jetssuckSr
05-15-2003, 01:50 PM
that are nothing but a platform for some of you to bash those of us that want JF replaced.

Bait n bash thread is all this is

Nothing but board clutter

-81- McMichael
05-15-2003, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by jetssuckSr
that are nothing but a platform for some of you to bash those of us that want JF replaced.

Bait n bash thread is all this is

Nothing but board clutter

Sorry, jetssuckSr, but that was NOT my intention AT ALL. If I wanted to post a thread in defense of Jay Fiedler I would just come straight out and do it.

Moreover, please note that NOWHERE in this thread have I, personally, mentioned Jay's name.

So, forgive me, but I take offense to your calling this thread "board clutter". I think the point about TOO MUCH BEING MADE about the offense, given what Tampa Bay accomplished with the 24th ranked offense... I think that was a PRETTY DAMN GOOD POINT... and not having ANYTHING to do with Jay Fiedler, I might add.

-81- McMichael
05-15-2003, 02:01 PM
I do like your user name. Once upon a time, I went by the user name: JETSLICKBALLS.

:jetssuck:

PhinBeck
05-15-2003, 02:04 PM
I'm tired of threads like this one quote:

that are nothing but a platform for some of you to bash those of us that want JF replaced.

Bait n bash thread is all this is

Nothing but board clutter




Would it be ok if it was a thread bashing Jay?


The thread is about our offense not the qb, lesson 1 offense includes rb, fb, wr, te and o-line as well as qb. So yu tking this as a bashing of you, mybe you are really complaining cause someone disagrees with your position the offense will be fine.

If you are tired of threads like this one, stop reading them!

DPlus47
05-15-2003, 02:09 PM
get the feeling there are people here obsessed with JF?

jetssuckSr
05-15-2003, 02:09 PM
And no rro it wouldn't be OK if it were a Jay bashing thread, those aren't allowed.

But hey, ya'll have a great time
















JS

MDFINFAN
05-15-2003, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by jetssuckSr
[B]And no rro it wouldn't be OK if it were a Jay bashing thread, those aren't allowed.

But hey, ya'll have a great time

You know, we had D. Marino for a long time..got to 1 SB..

We even had DM for Shula's last year..with 19 1st rd picks.

We even beat the 85 Bears team with DM..

No one questions Dan's abilities..

But after thinking about all those years with Dan..I realize one thing..It takes more than a QB to get to the SB...The QB position hasn't stopped us from moving on to the SB the last 3 years..well with the exception of Lucas play..but even with that..Jay had us up 11 points with 5 minutes left in the game in NE..no, it takes more than a QB to get to the big..We spend too much time on a position that's not stopping us from getting to the promise land..I think Wanny looked at this too..Umm is that why so many D personnal were brought in..mmm I thinks so...the #3 D last year couldn't stop a 11 point lead from evaporating..You think Tampa's D would have let that happened..even if the ball was fumbled on the 1 yard line on they end..that D would have said no way..Remember the Baltimore D against Tenn...on the 1 yard line..I think Wanny is focusing on the right things..while we focus on superficial stuff like QB...Glad we're not coaching. Hey Clump..do a spell check on Superficial for me :lol: :lol: :lol:

SuperMarksBros.
05-15-2003, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by justafan
Drew 2-0 against fins as a bill.

and that was good enough for a last place finish, for the second consecutive year

Justasportsfan
05-15-2003, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by Fiedler for MVP


and that was good enough for a last place finish, for the second consecutive year

Ahhh, no! My statement was to counter JF 4-0 against bills. (BTW this makes JF look good, I don't see it as a Fiedler bashing thread)

Thanks for your statement though, it supports my 2-0 which was meant to imply Team wins it not the qb.

jetssuckSr
05-15-2003, 02:54 PM
ya'll have a great time





















JS

knoxpk
05-15-2003, 03:19 PM
Thanks for your statement though, it supports my 2-0 which was meant to imply Team wins it not the qb.

I'll agree with this justafan but this team had a better chance to win with JF instead of RL.

I wonder what Alex Van Pelt's record will be this year, Should Drew go down?

Justasportsfan
05-15-2003, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by knoxpk


I'll agree with this justafan but this team had a better chance to win with JF instead of RL.

I wonder what Alex Van Pelt's record will be this year, Should Drew go down?

JF over Ralph Lauren ?

I don't even know if AVP will still be here. The bills are supposedly looking into Travis Brown's ability. To see if whether he has a future with the team or not.

knoxpk
05-15-2003, 03:31 PM
LOLOLOL...
Ralph lauren LOL

:lol:

Tatonka
05-15-2003, 05:19 PM
Originally posted by finfan54



here is the truth:

Fielder got hurt, out six games, rusty coming back (griese will solve that prob)

ray lucas sucked

same time, chambers out two games with concussion, rusty coming back.

Same time, orande gadsden out for the year (by his own choosing).

It doenst take a brain surgeon to figure out what our problem was last year. that is why i love this year. it is all good if we get brian griese.

Our upside is way way better than most anyone with our draft picks and people we have gotten in teh offseason and our guys in WFL. that is truth.

teh fact is that we have to stay healthy. so does everyone else. I look at it this way. The buffalo bills were very lucky with injuries last year and went 8-8. we were very unlucky and went 9-7 as did the rest of the division. we have depth at most every position except LT.

**COUGHlameassexcusesCOUGH**

BeatCrazy2
05-15-2003, 05:28 PM
Who the hell is Chris Brown?

WharfRat
05-15-2003, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by jetssuckSr
And no rro it wouldn't be OK if it were a Jay bashing thread, those aren't allowed.

But hey, ya'll have a great time


JS

Can you please tell me where you get that kind of statement from?
There was a 15 page thread in that lasted several days (quite old in terms of thread life-expectancy), that was designed to debate this very subject...
It was allowed to continue (heck, I even participated myself) until it was obvious it had run it's course, and things would start to turn personal....
That's what's not allowed.

Coral Reefer
05-15-2003, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by -81- McMichael
Offense this, offense that... blah, blah, blah!

Here's one for you:

Miami finished last year with the 15th ranked offense, right?

So who finished with the 24th ranked offense?

Same team that, out of last year's 12 playoff contenders, had the lowest ranked offense? Hmmm...

Oh, yeah! How about that! The Super Bowl Champion Tampa Bay Bucs! Imagine that!

I wish people would get off our offense and look at reality.

- First and foremost, we had the NFL's leading rusher. That's special, dammit. Remember the last time we had that. No? Didn't think so.

- Also, we were ONLY in our first year with Norv's offense. ANYBODY in the NFL will tell you that's a factor (not in your favor).

- We had major injuries to key offensive players. Enough said.

- Our backups at QB and WR were inadequate (and I'm being really polite here).

This year... everybody should be A LOT more comfortable with what Norv's trying to do here.

This year... Ricky's going to play more downs (that's just scary - to the opposing team, methinks).

This year... our o-line is (so far - knock on wood) healthier than last year.

This year... we do NOT have Lucas at backup QB. (BEST off-season move, IMHO - even over Jr.). In turn, we should be getting Griese. Solid backup.

This year... WR looks like it should be vastly improved, including backups.

Finally, this year... we were smart enought to resign Konrad, and McMichael will have a year's worth of NFL experience under his belt.

Don't know about everybody else, but I see PLENTY of reason for optomism.

All the nay-sayers can just kiss my :booty:

GO'PHINS! :rocker:

Well than discussion boards just aren't for you if you can't handle other peoples opinions. I'm tired of people on this board that claiming that others that point out things on our team that are questionable areas arent real fans or are talking S*@t.
That just isn't the case and if you can't handle people taking the all is perfect on my team glasses some of you wear then message boards just aren't for you.

jetssuckSr
05-15-2003, 06:02 PM
With the title 'Fiedler Bashing' and all the 'true fans' bashing those of us that don't follow statis quo, it turned into exactly what it was, a platform to bash the so called 'negative' posters.

If I posted the opposite 'Over-zealouly supporting Jay' and went on a rant how some ppl must not be 'true fans' because they do not want the QB position improved and how all they are doing is holding onto a three yr argument with the hopes of being able to say 'I told you so', you tell me how I would be recieved.

It's no different then what some of us have to put up with it's just the other side of the spectrum.

If I post what I suggested I'm a troublemaker, if it's a thread supporting JF then no problem.

One only has to look through a few pages of threads to see this is exactly the way it is and I am dead-on with that statement you have a problem with.

If you have a problem with this post could you PM me?




















JS

WharfRat
05-15-2003, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by jetssuckSr
With the title 'Fiedler Bashing' and all the 'true fans' bashing those of us that don't follow statis quo, it turned into exactly what it was, a platform to bash the so called 'negative' posters.

If I posted the opposite 'Over-zealouly supporting Jay' and went on a rant how some ppl must not be 'true fans' because they do not want the QB position improved and how all they are doing is holding onto a three yr argument with the hopes of being able to say 'I told you so', you tell me how I would be recieved.

It's no different then what some of us have to put up with it's just the other side of the spectrum.

If I post what I suggested I'm a troublemaker, if it's a thread supporting JF then no problem.

One only has to look through a few pages of threads to see this is exactly the way it is and I am dead-on with that statement you have a problem with.

If you have a problem with this post could you PM me?


JS

I really have no problem with this post, you are entitled to your perspective. Trust me... I do look through the threads, perhaps not every single one of them... but the majority I do.. and what I see from my perspective, is differences of opinion, and a debate of the issue, rather than people "jumping" on you. If people start "jumping" on others...that's when I step in...no matter what their position is. I'm sorry, but I don't see why you would think that they are jumping on you, just because they disagree. Isn't that a double standard?

jetssuckSr
05-15-2003, 06:35 PM
The double standard is that those of us percieved as 'negative' are fair game for those percieved as 'positive'.

Want proof?

I think the 'Fiedler Bashing' thread is a perfect example and if you look through it again you'll see lots of bashing and it's not bashing Fiedler it's bashing fans.

Tell me, can I do this?:


If I posted the opposite 'Over-zealouly supporting Jay' and went on a rant how some ppl must not be 'true fans' because they do not want the QB position improved and how all they are doing is holding onto a three yr argument with the hopes of being able to say 'I told you so'

If there is a problem with me posting the above then THAT'S a double standard because those on the other side of the fence can do just the opposite.

What's the intention of these posts anyway?

Will everyone be happy when there's no one left to debate with?


IMO neither side has the right to start threads that are basically 'bait n bash'. Nothing good will come from them and they all end the same, moved, removed or closed.













JS

WharfRat
05-15-2003, 06:56 PM
Originally posted by jetssuckSr
The double standard is that those of us percieved as 'negative' are fair game for those percieved as 'positive'.
And visa-versa ....

Originally posted by jetssuckSr
Want proof?
Yes.

Originally posted by jetssuckSr

I think the 'Fiedler Bashing' thread is a perfect example and if you look through it again you'll see lots of bashing and it's not bashing Fiedler it's bashing fans.

I've read through it several times...the personal bashing was addressed... other than that, I see a debate of the issue. Please...point to one post that was a personal attack that I did not address.... please.

Originally posted by jetssuckSr

Tell me, can I do this?:

Sure, and you should expect some to agree, and others to disagree.... if they attack you personally, then one of us will step in...if it's the issue that they are attacking then you should expect it...if you don't want any debate...why make the post? Will you be happy if there is nobody that disagrees with you?


Originally posted by jetssuckSr
If there is a problem with me posting the above then THAT'S a double standard because those on the other side of the fence can do just the opposite.

I just told you...I have no problem with your post. You are entitled to your opinion. The problem I had was you trying to imply, that "that type of thread" was not allowed. It was an obvious attempt to take a stab at the staff.... therein lies my problem.


Originally posted by jetssuckSr

What's the intention of these posts anyway?

I think the person who started the thread has already ansered that.... why is it that everything needs to have some "hidden meaning"?

Originally posted by jetssuckSr

Will everyone be happy when there's no one left to debate with?

Again, I don't know where you get these ideas... debate is encouraged. Show me a post where any of the staff discouraged debating the issues....

Originally posted by jetssuckSr

IMO neither side has the right to start threads that are basically 'bait n bash'. Nothing good will come from them and they all end the same, moved, removed or closed.



Your're right...bait and bash will not be toerated...which is why KB21 was banned.. ... as will anyone else who does the same.

Fresh
05-15-2003, 07:04 PM
I'm tired of people making new threads about what they're tired of. hmm.. why don't we just make a tired thread, where everyone complains of what they're tired of? :rolleyes:

WharfRat
05-15-2003, 07:07 PM
Actuall C)84... in light of the way this thread has gone... I will be moving it to the Complaints/Suggestion forum....