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CharlestonPhan
11-20-2006, 11:45 AM
http://www.tmz.com/2006/11/20/kramers-racist-tirade-caught-on-tape/


and right about now Mel Gibson is smiling, as someone else tops his stupidity from earlier this year... at least Mad Max was drunk when he let loose.

Motion
11-20-2006, 11:46 AM
They played the audio clip from the "event" on the radio this morning, I was looking all over for a clip on it. They said they'd post the video up on their website later today I'll have to check.

Sethdaddy8
11-20-2006, 01:34 PM
holy crap.

SkapePhin
11-20-2006, 01:39 PM
Wow, that was ridiculous.. That guy is done for now.

BigDogsHunt
11-20-2006, 01:42 PM
Dang.......

305TillIDie
11-20-2006, 01:42 PM
fire his *** on the spot

uncalled for man...

Buddwalk
11-20-2006, 01:45 PM
so hes racist...so are a million other people in the world which doesnt make sense and god knows how many celebrities are racist....Im not going to look at his kramer performances on seinfield any different....I dont even really consider him a celebrity he hasnt done anything since seinfield has been off the air and thats been like 8 years ago.

what he did was wrong though....really wrong :nono:

In_Flames
11-20-2006, 01:59 PM
Richards has always seemed to me to be abit odd in interviews...Definitely not the loveable character he played on Seinfield...and this just goes to prove that...:nono:

Also, at the bottom of the Richards article they have a link to "See other prejudiced celebs" and on that page have this Borat quote:

Sacha Baron Cohen's controversial alter ego fears Jews, women and homosexuals. He shares similar views with his hero, Melvin Gibson: "We agree with his comments that the Jews started all wars. We also have proof that they were responsible for killing off all the dinosaurs. And Hurricane Katrina - they did it." :chuckle:

FinsNYanksFan13
11-20-2006, 02:07 PM
His opinion is his opinion but just like just like Dave Chappelle said on that skit he did about the real world with the white guy living with all black people....."WE STILL RESERVE THE RIGHT TO **** YOU UP!" That was a dumb comment by Kramer and I think he realized he screwed up towards the end but once it's over and you said it, there's no going back!

Pagan
11-20-2006, 02:09 PM
Funny how that site has that, and everyone is making a big stink about it, but something like this (http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/11/18/former-professor-calls-for-the-extermination-of-all-white-people/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dg-_K0Hlvyys%26mode%3Drelated%26search%3D&frame=true) doesn't get any press.

:shakeno:

Mike13
11-20-2006, 02:11 PM
The video is up, this is disgusting

Buddwalk
11-20-2006, 02:13 PM
Funny how that site has that, and everyone is making a big stink about it, but something like this (http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/11/18/former-professor-calls-for-the-extermination-of-all-white-people/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dg-_K0Hlvyys%26mode%3Drelated%26search%3D&frame=true) doesn't get any press.

:shakeno:

:yeahthat:

Nappy Roots
11-20-2006, 02:17 PM
Funny how that site has that, and everyone is making a big stink about it, but something like this (http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/11/18/former-professor-calls-for-the-extermination-of-all-white-people/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dg-_K0Hlvyys%26mode%3Drelated%26search%3D&frame=true) doesn't get any press.

:shakeno:


because anyone would care about this dude why? there are millions of people that are racist, but the story is about a well known guy being openly racist in his act.

not some insane guy that no one really gives a **** about and no one knows who it is.

this has happend i few times and i really dont get it. one thing is posted about racism, then someone feels the need to throw the thread to a side and post racism to another race.

most people know there is racism on both sides, but what exactly is the point of that post?

Pagan
11-20-2006, 02:17 PM
Just want to add....I'm not saying what Richards did was right. It was stupid and a knee-jerk reaction to heckling, which doesn't forgive the fact that it's assinine...

But what that professor said was well thought out, and spoken with a clear mind. That, my friends, is even dumber.

In_Flames
11-20-2006, 02:17 PM
Funny how that site has that, and everyone is making a big stink about it, but something like this (http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/11/18/former-professor-calls-for-the-extermination-of-all-white-people/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dg-_K0Hlvyys%26mode%3Drelated%26search%3D&frame=true) doesn't get any press.

:shakeno:

WOW...wtf :eek:

Pagan
11-20-2006, 02:19 PM
because anyone would care about this dude why? there are millions of people that are racist, but the story is about a well known guy being openly racist in his act.

not some insane guy that no one really gives a **** about and no one knows who it is.

this has happend i few times and i really dont get it. one thing is posted about racism, then someone feels the need to throw the thread to a side and post racism to another race.

most people know there is racism on both sides, but what exactly is the point of that post?
Because, as with every other post....excuses are made for the opposite side.

No one gives a **** about that guy Nappy? How about the fact that he's a former professor, who was entrusted to instruct the youth that was in his classroom? Don't think it matters that he was spewing that **** to impressionable kids?

The incident with Richards was a nightclub act by a has-been comic, and you think that carries more weight?

That's sad, man....sad.

PS - and it gets posted because it seems that the only time something is posted about racism, it's from one side of the buffet tabe.

Nappy Roots
11-20-2006, 02:20 PM
Just want to add....I'm not saying what Richards did was right. It was stupid and a knee-jerk reaction to heckling, which doesn't forgive the fact that it's assinine...

But what that professor said was well thought out, and spoken with a clear mind. That, my friends, is even dumber.


anyone that claims they need to wipe out an entire race isnt under a "clear mind"

Nappy Roots
11-20-2006, 02:22 PM
Because, as with every other post....excuses are made for the opposite side.

No one gives a **** about that guy Nappy? How about the fact that he's a former professor, who was entrusted to instruct the youth that was in his classroom? Don't think it matters that he was spewing that **** to impressionable kids?

The incident with Richards was a nightclub act by a has-been comic, and you think that carries more weight?

That's sad, man....sad.

i think it carries more weight? no, thats not what i said. but unless youve lived under a rock for the past 40 years, you should know how the media works by now. their going to run this story because of who he is, and people know him well.

me? i dont care wtf either of them say honestly.

Pagan
11-20-2006, 02:22 PM
anyone that claims they need to wipe out an entire race isnt under a "clear mind"
No bro, he's speaking with perfect clarity. He's not ranting, he's not raving, he's calm and speaking something that he's obviously thought long and hard upon.

Pagan
11-20-2006, 02:23 PM
me? i dont care wtf either of them say honestly.
Well on THAT we can both agree. :wink:


i think it carries more weight? no, thats not what i said. but unless youve lived under a rock for the past 40 years, you should know how the media works by now. their going to run this story because of who he is, and people know him well.
Normally I'd agree with you, Nappy....but think about this...

What would happen if a white professor that no one knew about said we should exterminate the black race? Think you'd hear about it in the papers?

The media LOVES to ignore the opposite side for some reason. Why, I have no idea.

Noodle Arm
11-20-2006, 02:23 PM
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2006/11/jackie-1.jpg

"This is outrageous! A tragedy of monumentous proportions!"

Nappy Roots
11-20-2006, 02:24 PM
No bro, he's speaking with perfect clarity. He's not ranting, he's not raving, he's calm and speaking something that he's obviously thought long and hard upon.


hes also, clearly insane.

an insane man who thinks long and hard about something isnt a clear mind in my eyes. thats just me though

NewEra8
11-20-2006, 02:25 PM
hahaha the polls...

Is he a racist? Yes or No

Whos worse? Mel Gibson or Kramer

Pagan
11-20-2006, 02:26 PM
hes also, clearly insane.

an insane man who thinks long and hard about something isnt a clear mind in my eyes. thats just me though
Agreed...but that doesn't mean that others won't believe him.

Hitler was quite insane also, yet gvery clearly focused on what he wanted.

Nappy Roots
11-20-2006, 02:30 PM
Agreed...but that doesn't mean that others won't believe him.

Hitler was quite insane also, yet gvery clearly focused on what he wanted.



true.

but hilter was also i leader of nation. this wack job is openly saying they need to wipe out the majority of the country.

Rocky Raccoon
11-20-2006, 02:37 PM
http://www.siyumhaseinfeld.com/images/chars/jackie.jpg

"This is outrageous! A tragedy of monumentous proportions!"

:sidelol: :sidelol: :sidelol: :sidelol: :sidelol:

305TillIDie
11-20-2006, 02:39 PM
both racist..both guys wrong

Pagan
11-20-2006, 02:50 PM
true.

but hilter was also i leader of nation. this wack job is openly saying they need to wipe out the majority of the country.
Which is exactly what Hitler tried to do. It all starts somewhere, my friend. :wink:


both racist..both guys wrong
Bingo.

Slappy8800
11-20-2006, 04:06 PM
that was funny as hell

PrepDogg
11-20-2006, 04:14 PM
Whoa! Where did that tirade come from?? :confused:

icephinfan
11-20-2006, 06:08 PM
HMMMMMM, that was unexpected. DAMN!!!!!:shakeno:

PhinzN703
11-20-2006, 06:21 PM
It's sad that Kramer feels that way but he's still one of the best characters ever on sitcom TV

Dolfan984
11-20-2006, 06:27 PM
Funny how that site has that, and everyone is making a big stink about it, but something like this (http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/11/18/former-professor-calls-for-the-extermination-of-all-white-people/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dg-_K0Hlvyys%26mode%3Drelated%26search%3D&frame=true) doesn't get any press.

:shakeno:

Dude I am ****ing irate after seeing that. Exterminate white people? I don't give a **** that's the most discusting thing I've heard. That's some Hitler **** right there. **** that guy I hope he ****ing dies.

It's horrible to be racist. But to want genocide? wow, just wow.

Shula Come Back!
11-20-2006, 06:30 PM
Damn.....this man is not funny when he isn't Kramer!

BAMAPHIN 22
11-20-2006, 07:19 PM
Michael Richards stunned a comedy club (http://www.srch-results.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=77&k=comedy%20club) audience, shouting racial epithets at people who heckled him during a stand-up routine.

The 57-year-old actor-comedian, best known for playing Jerry Seinfeld's eccentric neighbor Kramer on the hit TV show "Seinfeld," was performing at the Laugh Factory in West Hollywood Friday night when he launched into the verbal rampage, according to video posted on TMZ.com.

Richards retorted: "Shut up! Fifty years ago we'd have you upside down with a [expletive] fork up your [expletive]."

He then paced across the stage taunting the men for interrupting his show, peppering his speech with racial slurs and profanities.

"You can talk, you can talk, you're brave now [expletive]. Throw his [expletive] out. He's a n-----!" Richards shouts before repeating the racial epithet over and over again.

While there is some audible chuckling in the audience throughout the outburst, someone can be heard gasping "Oh my God" and various people "ooh" after Richard uses the n-word.

Eventually someone says: “It’s not funny. That’s why you’re a reject, never had no shows, never had no movies. ‘Seinfeld,’ that’s it.”

Richards performed the next night at the Laugh Factory without incident.

The tirade apparently began after two black audience members started shouting at him that he wasn't funny.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15816126/from/RS.3/

ABrownLamp
11-20-2006, 07:28 PM
Funny how that site has that, and everyone is making a big stink about it, but something like this (http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/11/18/former-professor-calls-for-the-extermination-of-all-white-people/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dg-_K0Hlvyys%26mode%3Drelated%26search%3D&frame=true) doesn't get any press.

:shakeno:

Youve got to admit he's got a point though

NJFINSFAN1
11-20-2006, 07:32 PM
The sad thing is this happens everyday in all walks of life. And each and every one of us has most likely said something that can be considered racist. I think I have an open mind, and I don't consider myself a racist at all, but I have said things in the heat of the moment that if you didn't know me, you might think I am. It happens, people need to understand this.

Kramer was wrong, it could have been the heat of the moment, I don't know. The other dude was Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe Kramer and the Professor should go out for drinks??

Pennington's Rocket Arm
11-20-2006, 07:33 PM
meh, i've heard better tirades at hecklers from bill hicks.

icephinfan
11-20-2006, 07:42 PM
meh, i've heard better tirades at hecklers from bill hicks.

Like this one??????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xbJ8QhE8Us

Bill Hicks goes off on a heckler. Warning Strong Language.

icephinfan
11-20-2006, 07:48 PM
Youve got to admit he's got a point though

What point is that?? Kill all white people???

SkapePhin
11-20-2006, 07:58 PM
Funny how that site has that, and everyone is making a big stink about it, but something like this (http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/11/18/former-professor-calls-for-the-extermination-of-all-white-people/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dg-_K0Hlvyys%26mode%3Drelated%26search%3D&frame=true) doesn't get any press.

:shakeno:

Isnt there already a thread on that? And people are thouroughly disgusted.. But, the prof comes off as a loon, while people never thought that 'Kramer' was this seering racist ahole that he appears to be..

If Eddie Murphy called for the extermination of all white people on video, I am POSITIVE it would be getting as much, if not more, play than the 'Kramer' incident is..

Nappy Roots
11-20-2006, 08:02 PM
What point is that?? Kill all white people???


yea, its a pretty good point. given the choice, i would have to think it through

Buddwalk
11-20-2006, 08:07 PM
videos on youtube now...not sure if its been posted or if its allowed to be posted for racial slurs but here it is...mods just remove it, if its too offensive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T7uKvpzVXI

Dolfan984
11-20-2006, 08:10 PM
Youve got to admit he's got a point though

:confused:

icephinfan
11-20-2006, 08:10 PM
yea, its a pretty good point. given the choice, i would have to think it through

Okay not sure where your going, with this. A good point to kill White people or were you being sarcastic??

Nappy Roots
11-20-2006, 08:12 PM
:confused:


Okay not sure where your going, with this. A good point to kill White people or were you being sarcastic??



joke....

smh

icephinfan
11-20-2006, 08:18 PM
joke....

smh

SMH?????

Den54
11-20-2006, 08:29 PM
SMH?????

Small Minded Honkey.:lol:

Rocky Raccoon
11-20-2006, 08:29 PM
I thought is was pretty obvious that ABL was joking with his comment...and I've always wanted to know what smh meant?

SkapePhin
11-20-2006, 08:31 PM
Small Minded Honkey.:lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep7E81uJrwM

icephinfan
11-20-2006, 08:32 PM
Small Minded Honkey.:lol:

Aww........ok

Muck
11-20-2006, 08:34 PM
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2006/11/jackie-2.jpg

Who told you to put the balm on??

Muck
11-20-2006, 08:34 PM
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2006/11/jackie-1.jpg

"This is outrageous! A tragedy of monumentous proportions!"

Jackie's gonna profit off yo' wretched disfigurement. :yes:

Nappy Roots
11-20-2006, 08:36 PM
Aww........ok


:lol:

and you believed him. was pretty funny though.

shake my head=smh

icephinfan
11-20-2006, 08:37 PM
:lol:

and you believed him. was pretty funny though.

shake my head=smh

I never heard that before.

Miami 13
11-20-2006, 09:00 PM
http://www.1115.org/archives/jackie.jpg

Who told you to put the balm on??
:sidelol::sidelol::sidelol:

jpcdolphan
11-20-2006, 09:16 PM
That would have made for an interesting episode of Seinfeld...

Coral Reefer
11-20-2006, 09:23 PM
Funny how that site has that, and everyone is making a big stink about it, but something like this (http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/11/18/former-professor-calls-for-the-extermination-of-all-white-people/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dg-_K0Hlvyys%26mode%3Drelated%26search%3D&frame=true) doesn't get any press.

:shakeno:

That is the world we live in.
Racism is only recognized against certian groups.

Racism to other groups is just accepted.
It's a double standard which distances rational and unbiased people away from the "equality" issues and lessens the impact of real acts of racism.

That being said, as to the original post, he might have thought he was just doing some off the wall comedy schtik rebuttal with his remarks. He may also just have lashed out being frustrated with these punks trying to mess with his act. He may also be flat out racist.

Regardless of motive, he clearly crossed the line and this will haunt him.

Den54
11-20-2006, 09:30 PM
I laugh at this guy with hands upon hips.

http://www.proteinwisdom.com/index.php/weblog/entry/19220/

SkapePhin
11-20-2006, 09:54 PM
That is the world we live in.
Racism is only recognized against certian groups.

Racism to other groups is just accepted.
It's a double standard which distances rational and unbiased people away from the "equality" issues and lessens the impact of real acts of racism.

That being said, as to the original post, he might have thought he was just doing some off the wall comedy schtik rebuttal with his remarks. He may also just have lashed out being frustrated with these punks trying to mess with his act. He may also be flat out racist.

Regardless of motive, he clearly crossed the line and this will haunt him.

I will say this regarding the racism issue.. Is it surprising to anyone that the group that had a history of being ENSLAVED by another would be just a bit more sensitive on the issue than the ones who had a history of ENSLAVING the other?

Sure, this issue was resolved more than a century ago, and none of us had anything to do with issue of slavery, but many effects lingered and continue to linger..

While it is never justified, I can somehow understand the anti-white racism coming from some of the more militant blacks than I can the persitent anti-black racism coming from the whites who still claim that blacks are somehow inferior based on the fact that they were once enslaved.

Ronnie Bass
11-20-2006, 09:59 PM
DRUDGE READER: 'I'm in the audience for tonight's David Letterman show and they just had Michael Richards on via satellite during Seinfeld's interview to discuss his on-stage tirade. He apologized and expressed remorse at his own behavior. He seemed genuinely upset and embarrassed'... MORE...


This is on top of the Drudge Report.

Amars
11-20-2006, 10:30 PM
Funny how that site has that, and everyone is making a big stink about it, but something like this (http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/11/18/former-professor-calls-for-the-extermination-of-all-white-people/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dg-_K0Hlvyys%26mode%3Drelated%26search%3D&frame=true) doesn't get any press.

:shakeno:


WOW. That fool is a whacko.

Pennington's Rocket Arm
11-20-2006, 10:45 PM
Like this one??????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xbJ8QhE8Us

Bill Hicks goes off on a heckler. Warning Strong Language.
:yeahthat:

god i love bill hicks.

Samphin
11-20-2006, 11:10 PM
I am surprised. The man clearly lost his mind and started speaking without thinking. Wow, that was bad. I am talking Mel Gibson bad. George Lopez said it best though, you have an actor doing standup, probably without knowing how to deal with hecklers and he immediately went on the attack. You just can't do that.

As for the video about the guy wanting to kill all the white people. I seriously thougth a woman was speaking when it was him. Very soft spoken, and ******ed. I say lock him and Kramer up in a room and tape it.

Ronnie Bass
11-20-2006, 11:23 PM
god i love bill hicks.

What was great was how funny he was reflecting back on it, that was gold.

Coral Reefer
11-21-2006, 12:41 AM
I will say this regarding the racism issue.. Is it surprising to anyone that the group that had a history of being ENSLAVED by another would be just a bit more sensitive on the issue than the ones who had a history of ENSLAVING the other?

Sure, this issue was resolved more than a century ago, and none of us had anything to do with issue of slavery, but many effects lingered and continue to linger..

.

Well, I don't get it because were generations removed from "slavery". None of us living now had anything to do with owning someone else and none of us now were enslaved. If a group is going to rightfully fight for rights and get them, at that point it should be over. If that group holds on to hate issues for generations afterward and points that hatred to people that had nothing to do with the atrocities They're only going backwards.

In fact what they are doing is pushing people that are on the same page with them away and creating racial conflict all over again.

There are people today that are the farthest thing from racist becoming extremely sensitive to being in the group always labled as racists for just about any issue that arises.


I can somehow understand the anti-white racism coming from some of the more militant blacks than I can the persitent anti-black racism coming from the whites who still claim that blacks are somehow inferior based on the fact that they were once enslaved.

This part is just flawed thinking IMO and it leads to a cycle where the issue will NEVER be resolved. Both groups in this scenario are flat out wrong. Neither has a better cause in being wrong.

Pennington's Rocket Arm
11-21-2006, 01:05 AM
anyone watching his apology on letterman? god. i hate this society sometimes.

Rocky Raccoon
11-21-2006, 01:11 AM
anyone watching his apology on letterman? god. i hate this society sometimes.
I saw it. I think he seemed truly, truly sorry for what he said. He looked devestated. He is a complete moron for saying what he said, but I think it was more of a reaction to being heckled while trying to perform than anything. I'm not saying he is or isn't a racist, but I thought his apology was 100% sincere.

Maynard the Hammer
11-21-2006, 01:19 AM
damn, i missed the apology. no excuse anyway. i have to say that i turned off seinfeld tonight...and i watch probably an epidode a day

Perfect23
11-21-2006, 01:45 AM
Funny how that site has that, and everyone is making a big stink about it, but something like this (http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/11/18/former-professor-calls-for-the-extermination-of-all-white-people/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dg-_K0Hlvyys%26mode%3Drelated%26search%3D&frame=true) doesn't get any press.

:shakeno:

I know really kill the white people how is he gonna say that and not get any press but yet cramer says a word that someone says everyday and has to apoligize to 2 million people.

Nappy Roots
11-21-2006, 01:56 AM
I know really kill the white people how is he gonna say that and not get any press but yet cramer says a word that someone says everyday and has to apoligize to 2 million people.


have you not figured out the media yet? their not going to run a story of racism on some guy no one knows. there is so much racism in this world, is not a issue on the news until its a celebrity. you think they go to alabama and broadcast the clan rallies to show how racism is still alive? no.

and kramer didnt HAVE to apologize for ****. he chose to cause he cares what people think of him.

on the other hand, this insane clown, wants all white people dead, why the **** would he care about what white people think about him?

Pennington's Rocket Arm
11-21-2006, 01:58 AM
i bet kramer would find this funny:

http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2006/11/299738119_d121b979e4_o-1.jpg

Nappy Roots
11-21-2006, 02:00 AM
I saw it. I think he seemed truly, truly sorry for what he said. He looked devestated. He is a complete moron for saying what he said, but I think it was more of a reaction to being heckled while trying to perform than anything. I'm not saying he is or isn't a racist, but I thought his apology was 100% sincere.


how can you NOT say hes racist?

i mean, i might understand a apology had he said the N word 1 time, but to go off a rant like that, and then include hangin the dude from the tree...yea, not only is he extremely racist. but he shouldnt get anymore stand up jobs.

but he shouldnt of apologized, its not going to help. he said what he said, he obviously felt like that. he should of just faded into oblivion.

Nappy Roots
11-21-2006, 02:01 AM
i bet kramer would find this funny:

http://static.flickr.com/107/299738119_d121b979e4_o.jpg



hahaha, that is pretty funny

Mike13
11-21-2006, 02:02 AM
That Richiard Pryor clip was funny as hell.


that was funny as hell

Man, no offense but you say some stupid crap every once in awhile.

Buddwalk
11-21-2006, 02:30 AM
how can you NOT say hes racist?

i mean, i might understand a apology had he said the N word 1 time, but to go off a rant like that, and then include hangin the dude from the tree...yea, not only is he extremely racist. but he shouldnt get anymore stand up jobs.

but he shouldnt of apologized, its not going to help. he said what he said, he obviously felt like that. he should of just faded into oblivion.

obviously you've never seen a george carlin standup act, he says the n word all the time and hes as white as a ghost

Roman529
11-21-2006, 02:44 AM
I have always liked Seinfeld....sometimes Cosmo Kramer was funny and sometimes a little annoying. I think it is understable to get a little ticked off at hecklers when doing a comedy act, but he went off the deep end. I think what he did and said was inexcuseable. :rolleyes:

DonShula84
11-21-2006, 03:38 AM
obviously you've never seen a george carlin standup act, he says the n word all the time and hes as white as a ghost

Carlin says it in the context of a joke. What Kramer did wasnt part of a joke it was said in anger. Completely different.

DonShula84
11-21-2006, 03:41 AM
I know really kill the white people how is he gonna say that and not get any press but yet cramer says a word that someone says everyday and has to apoligize to 2 million people.

The homeless man who lives on the corner was talking to his hand and said we should kill white people also, should the media care about that? Kramer is famous, when he is racist people care because they know who he is. Telling us about what some no name ex professor says is meaningless and would only work to increase what little pathetic following he may have.

icephinfan
11-21-2006, 04:12 AM
I just watched David Letterman, his apology seemed very real, even Jerry was upset for him, even telling the audience not to laugh it's not funny.

Just hopes he doesn't fly off the handle like that anymore.

Phinz4Life
11-21-2006, 04:47 AM
I just watched David Letterman, his apology seemed very real, even Jerry was upset for him, even telling the audience not to laugh it's not funny.

Just hopes he doesn't fly off the handle like that anymore.

Haven't caught it yet. Genuine?

ih8brady
11-21-2006, 07:20 AM
dont forget this is the same guy who mocks fat guys who get mugged

Mephistopheles
11-21-2006, 08:01 AM
Never cared for Seinfeld anyways.

Pennington's Rocket Arm
11-21-2006, 09:41 AM
Never cared for Seinfeld anyways.
well NOW who's the bad person here? you. that's who. YOU.

ih8brady
11-21-2006, 10:42 AM
The actions of Kramer, Mel Gibson or OJ Simpsons are just a drop in the ocean compared to the actions of Tom Cruise(garbage movies, stupid rants, evil scientology doings).

finswin56
11-21-2006, 11:21 AM
well NOW who's the bad person here? you. that's who. YOU.:lol:

PhinzN703
11-21-2006, 11:51 AM
http://www.1115.org/archives/jackie.jpg

Who told you to put the balm on??

LOL, greatest show ever man

FinsNCanes
11-21-2006, 12:28 PM
The actions of Kramer, Mel Gibson or OJ Simpsons are just a drop in the ocean compared to the actions of Tom Cruise(garbage movies, stupid rants, evil scientology doings).

I'm gonna go on a limb and say there was sarcasm somewhere in there.

On a side note..all religion is whack.

PhinzN703
11-21-2006, 12:50 PM
I personally don't know Michael Richards but I'm going to assume he isnt racist.

He may have a problem with being easily irritated by someone but racism I dont think is a part of it.

Imagine a black guy on stage, say at Def Comedy Jam and some white guy in the crowd talks smack. There'd be some % of a chance that the comic would call the white guy a cracker or something along those lines. I mean just watch stand-up comedy. It's either about the differences b/w white and black people, races, sex, and sexual orientation.

As far as "Kramer" going off about hanging people, that of course is uncalled for. But I would take it as he has anger management issues, not racism issues.

Kramer will to me remain in my Top 3 characters of all time. I believe his apology was sincere. God bless 'em

tucker
11-21-2006, 01:06 PM
i'm going to go out on a limb and say he's a closet racist and this just pissed him off to the extent where he just let it loose...and how does kramer get less of a lashing that gibson got?
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2006/11/0001t8ab-1.jpg

Nappy Roots
11-21-2006, 01:23 PM
I personally don't know Michael Richards but I'm going to assume he isnt racist.

He may have a problem with being easily irritated by someone but racism I dont think is a part of it.

Imagine a black guy on stage, say at Def Comedy Jam and some white guy in the crowd talks smack. There'd be some % of a chance that the comic would call the white guy a cracker or something along those lines. I mean just watch stand-up comedy. It's either about the differences b/w white and black people, races, sex, and sexual orientation.

As far as "Kramer" going off about hanging people, that of course is uncalled for. But I would take it as he has anger management issues, not racism issues.

Kramer will to me remain in my Top 3 characters of all time. I believe his apology was sincere. God bless 'em




im not sure how anyone can compare the word cracker to the n word. maybe its because ive been called that most of my life, including by some of my boys, that i dont think its bad. anger is anger. saying such racist words tells me like tucker said, hes a closet racist and it made him go off and show his real colors.

Philter25
11-21-2006, 01:29 PM
Man, what a wreck.

The comments were certainly uncalled for, but I could see why a comedian would say things they don't mean while on stage. Racism is so absurd that it deserves to be made fun of, and perhaps Michael Richards has some material that deals with racism that clouded his judgment while laying into the hecklers. Comedians are supposed to say shocking things on stage, and hecklers deserve the harassment. This, of course, was way over the line.

There is a fine line as to what is acceptable and not-acceptable when it comes to comedy. A characteristic of a good comedian is to be funny on the spot, interact with the audience, make fun of audience members, etc. He happened to cross the line.

I however dont think he is a racist at all. If based on a single occurance when you are on stage at a comedy club makes you a racist, then I can list a ton of comedians who fall into the same category. I believe him on Letterman when he says he isnt a racist.

Pretend you are a comedian on stage at a club and a heckler starts going at you. The hecklers race, gender, weight, looks, etc is what you are going to run with and pick on. Richards just went too far.

A lot of the videos floating around probably do not show the entire story. Im sure the guy heckling him is no saint either and probably deserved to get ripped on. Richards however crossed the imaginary line.

I think his apology on Letterman was sincere. I've never been a big fan of him since Seinfeld, but I believe IF this incident involved ANYONE else other than a celebrity, it would not be as potent. If you are a PC person, the last thing you should do it go to a comedy club.

Philter25
11-21-2006, 01:33 PM
Funny how that site has that, and everyone is making a big stink about it, but something like this (http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/11/18/former-professor-calls-for-the-extermination-of-all-white-people/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dg-_K0Hlvyys%26mode%3Drelated%26search%3D&frame=true) doesn't get any press.

:shakeno:

Wow.... now THAT is racism in its purest form. That guy is 100% serious, calm, composed, and is not joking or having his emotions lead him in any way.

Den54
11-21-2006, 01:37 PM
I could see where he has anger issues but I don't see him as a racist.
I saw him having a meltdown and reached for a word that would levy the
greatest impact. If this is an isolated incidence I say forgive him and move on.

tucker
11-21-2006, 02:24 PM
i think you guys are missing the part where he said Fifty years ago we'd have you upside down with a ****ing fork up your ***?

Buddwalk
11-21-2006, 02:33 PM
im not sure how anyone can compare the word cracker to the n word. maybe its because ive been called that most of my life, including by some of my boys, that i dont think its bad. anger is anger. saying such racist words tells me like tucker said, hes a closet racist and it made him go off and show his real colors.

there both offensive...but everyone knows why the word cracker is easily excused and the n word is taken seriously

tucker
11-21-2006, 02:55 PM
and it should be taken seriously

cracker doesnt have 400 yrs of oppression

dreday
11-21-2006, 03:01 PM
and it should be taken seriously

cracker doesnt have 400 yrs of oppression
:yeahthat:Was gonna say..The N word is a no-no.I dont care if the heckler said he got with his mother.He shouldnt lose his cool and go off on a tirade like that.Hes a professional entertainer and should have never let it happen.

He doesnt let this happen we wouldnt be talking about it right now.Other people have lost their temper or gotten fed up,but havent gone on tangents like these.He should be held responsible just like Mel Gibson for his actions.Both black people and white people alike know the N word holds years of oppression.The way I see it by the way he did it at the time he really didnt care what anybody thought and in fact may be his true feelings.

spydertl79
11-21-2006, 03:25 PM
Richards has always seemed to me to be abit odd in interviews...Definitely not the loveable character he played on Seinfield...and this just goes to prove that...:nono:

Also, at the bottom of the Richards article they have a link to "See other prejudiced celebs" and on that page have this Borat quote:

Sacha Baron Cohen's controversial alter ego fears Jews, women and homosexuals. He shares similar views with his hero, Melvin Gibson: "We agree with his comments that the Jews started all wars. We also have proof that they were responsible for killing off all the dinosaurs. And Hurricane Katrina - they did it." :chuckle:
Cohen himself is a jew though...

Philter25
11-21-2006, 03:33 PM
Cohen himself is a jew though...
Which begs a question:

Why is it acceptable for Jews to say things about other Jews that would be frowned upon if anyone else said it?

Example: If Michael Richards was Chris Rock, would this even be a story?

tucker
11-21-2006, 03:38 PM
of course not...when someone makes fun or smears one's own race its not taken as serious...

Nappy Roots
11-21-2006, 03:46 PM
of course not...when someone makes fun or smears one's own race its not taken as serious...


and why would it be differnt?


i laugh when i read people asking why its ok for other people to say things that their not..

like in your chart on the other page.

HysterikiLL
11-21-2006, 03:46 PM
I just saw the video and MAN he was pretty angry. You could tell he had lost all sense of trying to be funny and was trying to get his track back but it was really too late after a while.

I like Michael Richards but it'll take a while for me to gain my respect for him back.

BAMAPHIN 22
11-21-2006, 04:01 PM
Seinfeld star 'sorry' over racism

Ex-Seinfeld star Michael Richards has apologised for directing a racist insult at a heckler during a stand-up comedy performance in Los Angeles.

The 57-year-old, who played eccentric neighbour Cosmo Kramer in the long-running sitcom, said he "went into a rage" when his act was interrupted.
"I'm really busted up over this and I'm very, very sorry," Richards said.
His former co-star Jerry Seinfeld said he felt "sick" about what he branded a "horrible, horrible mistake".

"It is so extremely offensive. I feel terrible for all the people who have been hurt," Seinfeld added.

Furious response
Richards had been performing at the Laugh Factory on Friday when two black audience members appeared to shout at him that he was not funny.
He paced across the stage in a fury and repeatedly taunted the men for disrupting his routine.

While some people in the crowd were heard to chuckle, another was audibly horrified.

The events were captured on video and passed to the TMZ.com entertainment website.

In a statement, Richards said: "I was at the comedy club trying to do my act and got heckled. I took it badly and went into a rage."

http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/11/21/seinfeld-star-sorry-over-racism/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.bbc.co.uk%2F2%2Fhi%2Fentertainment%2F6167920.stm&frame=true

BigDogsHunt
11-21-2006, 04:19 PM
"Richards performed the next night at the Laugh Factory without incident."

this line from the article is amazing to me......

DrAstroZoom
11-21-2006, 04:21 PM
What was really, REALLY sad was when, in the midst of his apology, Richards referred to "Afro-Americans," a term I hadn't heard in about 20 years. He didn't help himself out a lot there. Not that "Afro-American" is racist, but it suggests a dated concept of race. I didn't find it offensive, just laughable from a PR nightmare point of view.

PhinzN703
11-21-2006, 04:27 PM
Man, what a wreck.

The comments were certainly uncalled for, but I could see why a comedian would say things they don't mean while on stage. Racism is so absurd that it deserves to be made fun of, and perhaps Michael Richards has some material that deals with racism that clouded his judgment while laying into the hecklers. Comedians are supposed to say shocking things on stage, and hecklers deserve the harassment. This, of course, was way over the line.

There is a fine line as to what is acceptable and not-acceptable when it comes to comedy. A characteristic of a good comedian is to be funny on the spot, interact with the audience, make fun of audience members, etc. He happened to cross the line.

I however dont think he is a racist at all. If based on a single occurance when you are on stage at a comedy club makes you a racist, then I can list a ton of comedians who fall into the same category. I believe him on Letterman when he says he isnt a racist.

Pretend you are a comedian on stage at a club and a heckler starts going at you. The hecklers race, gender, weight, looks, etc is what you are going to run with and pick on. Richards just went too far.

A lot of the videos floating around probably do not show the entire story. Im sure the guy heckling him is no saint either and probably deserved to get ripped on. Richards however crossed the imaginary line.

I think his apology on Letterman was sincere. I've never been a big fan of him since Seinfeld, but I believe IF this incident involved ANYONE else other than a celebrity, it would not be as potent. If you are a PC person, the last thing you should do it go to a comedy club.

According to the article here in The Washington Post, the "heckler" responded to Richards by saying

"a series of names including "cracker, "expletive white boy", and disparaged remarks about his post Seinfeld career".

Two wrongs dont make a right, but why isnt the heckler as easily "racist" as Richards?

Ahhh, b/c nobody knows who he is so it's ok.

Den54
11-21-2006, 04:43 PM
According to the article here in The Washington Post, the "heckler" responded to Richards by saying

"a series of names including "cracker, "expletive white boy", and disparaged remarks about his post Seinfeld career".

Two wrongs dont make a right, but why isnt the heckler as easily "racist" as Richards?

Ahhh, b/c nobody knows who he is so it's ok.


When a black man spews racial remarks towards a white man its never taken seriously and will get a free pass almost every time. It doesn't matter if there is hate in his heart or what the intent is, it will never be as equally wrong as if the roles were reversed imo.

Pagan
11-21-2006, 04:54 PM
http://pics.livejournal.com/ktempest/pic/0001t8ab
And THIS isn't racist in itself? Stupid White Folks? :shakeno:

Nappy Roots
11-21-2006, 05:01 PM
And THIS isn't racist in itself? Stupid White Folks? :shakeno:


because of the title? most of that **** is true. not to mention, im not sure how racist it is when a white guy posts something that says stupid white people.

its just weird how everytime a white guy gets a thread about doing something racist, its filled with "well black people are racist to! its just not fair!" like someone started a who is more racist discussion.

it goes right along with "believes that white males are oppressed" on the chart.

Pagan
11-21-2006, 05:05 PM
its just weird how everytime a white guy gets a thread about doing something racist, its filled with "well black people are racist to! its just not fair!" like someone started a who is more racist discussion.
Possibly because no one ever posts any threads when the situation is reversed. It's ALWAYS the "white guy" who's the racist.

Proof of that in this very thread, how easily some of you dismissed the professor calling for genocide of the white race as "harmless", yet are making a big stink about a has-been hack comedian using the "n-word".

Nappy Roots
11-21-2006, 05:10 PM
Possibly because no one ever posts any threads when the situation is reversed. It's ALWAYS the "white guy" who's the racist.

Proof of that in this very thread, how easily some of you dismissed the professor calling for genocide of the white race as "harmless", yet are making a big stink about a has-been hack comedian using the "n-word".


the fact that you posted the professor and complaining about it before evening saying ANYTHING about the thread is exactly what im talking about.

you have the link, make a thread about it if you want to show more racism on white people. most people in this thread havent seen that douche bag.

and no one "dismissed" the professor. there isnt one person that said, "oh well hes right".

Den54
11-21-2006, 05:10 PM
Possibly because no one ever posts any threads when the situation is reversed. It's ALWAYS the "white guy" who's the racist.

Proof of that in this very thread, how easily some of you dismissed the professor calling for genocide of the white race as "harmless", yet are making a big stink about a has-been hack comedian using the "n-word".

Its because some still don't understand that its equally wrong when the roles are reversed.

Philter25
11-21-2006, 05:14 PM
And THIS isn't racist in itself? Stupid White Folks? :shakeno:

Its not.... remember racism doesnt exist against white people..... silly Pagan.

(I chuckled when I saw that posted but I didnt want to be the first person to touch it)


its just weird how everytime a white guy gets a thread about doing something racist, its filled with "well black people are racist to! its just not fair!" like someone started a who is more racist discussion.

it goes right along with "believes that white males are oppressed" on the chart.

The reason people post that stuff is to remind people that racism exists on EVERY race, not to belittle the original incident. Black, white, brown, green, pink, magenta, terracotta... whatever. Its ignorant to believe that only minorities can be the victims of a racial event..... perfect example is the video posted earlier.

Also, the reason something might be posted is maybe used as an example of what IS BLATANT racism incase the poster didnt feel this event was as serious. Again, this is a celebrity using the N-word when his emotions are getting the best of him....... what he did was wrong and I am not defending it in any way, but on the grand scale of racism, this, IMO, is a very minor incident.

Philter25
11-21-2006, 05:17 PM
According to the article here in The Washington Post, the "heckler" responded to Richards by saying

"a series of names including "cracker, "expletive white boy", and disparaged remarks about his post Seinfeld career".

Two wrongs dont make a right, but why isnt the heckler as easily "racist" as Richards?

Ahhh, b/c nobody knows who he is so it's ok. Yea I just read that. (Im a VA local also :) ) The reason is simple..... the heckler isnt a celebrity. Im sure stuff like this happens every single day around the world. It seems it is only notable news and discussionworthy when it involves a celebrity and a white person making a racial statement towards someone else.

Nappy Roots
11-21-2006, 05:20 PM
The reason people post that stuff is to remind people that racism exists on EVERY race, not to belittle the original incident.



yes and i understand this. but to go into a thread like that, and the first post you make is to show racism for the other side. its as if your trying to even the score, make excuses, or even have his back by saying "well black people say these things to! so its not to bad!"

you want to remind people about racism each way, post a thread about it. it turns into a white racism vs. black racism thing everytime. whats the point?

Pagan
11-21-2006, 05:22 PM
and no one "dismissed" the professor. there isnt one person that said, "oh well hes right".
I didn't say people said he was right, I said they dismissed it. As for you saying that no one did, your OWN words:


because anyone would care about this dude why? there are millions of people that are racist, but the story is about a well known guy being openly racist in his act.

not some insane guy that no one really gives a **** about and no one knows who it is.
So in your mindset as long as it's not someone famous, they can be as racist as they want....and TEACH others to be racist. Okay, gotcha.

As for no one else dismissing it....


The homeless man who lives on the corner was talking to his hand and said we should kill white people also, should the media care about that? Kramer is famous, when he is racist people care because they know who he is.
Comparing the calm, well thought out ideas of a former college professor to the ramblings of s drunk homeless man. Nope, not dismissing it al all.

Nappy Roots
11-21-2006, 05:25 PM
I didn't say people said he was right, I said they dismissed it. As for you saying that no one did, your OWN words:


So in your mindset as long as it's not someone famous, they can be as racist as they want....and TEACH others to be racist. Okay, gotcha.

As for no one else dismissing it....


Comparing the calm, well thought out ideas of a former college prefessor to the ramblings of s drunk homeless man. Nope, not dismissing it al all.


thats not dismissing it. you can see in each post i said he was insane. and Don said he was racist to. thats not dismissing it, its just as simple as we figured the media out, as it seems you have not for whatever reason.

Buddwalk
11-21-2006, 05:25 PM
thats not dismissing it. you can see in each post i said he was insane. and Don said he was racist to. thats not dismissing it, its just as simple as we figured the media out, as it seems you have not for whatever reason.

i've pmed pagan about the media issue a couple days ago...he understands it 100%

tucker
11-21-2006, 05:29 PM
Possibly because no one ever posts any threads when the situation is reversed. It's ALWAYS the "white guy" who's the racist.

Proof of that in this very thread, how easily some of you dismissed the professor calling for genocide of the white race as "harmless", yet are making a big stink about a has-been hack comedian using the "n-word".every time a thread like this pops up you come with the same rhetoric...and that image i posted is soo damn accurate and true that its scary...and i chuckled when i first read it

Nappy Roots
11-21-2006, 05:32 PM
i've pmed pagan about the media issue a couple days ago...he understands it 100%



aparently not. or else he wouldnt be complaining from post one at why this got media attention and not the insane dude that no one gives a **** about.

Pagan
11-21-2006, 05:37 PM
thats not dismissing it. you can see in each post i said he was insane. and Don said he was racist to. thats not dismissing it, its just as simple as we figured the media out, as it seems you have not for whatever reason.
I have the media COMPLETELY figured out. The apathy is what causes the media not to cover it. Why should they? People brush it off. Maybe YOU can't see that...for whatever reason.


every time a thread like this pops up you come with the same rhetoric...and that image i posted is soo damn accurate and true that its scary...and i chuckled when i first read it
And you don't come in with the same rhetoric every time a thread is started about a rapper getting shot, or violence amongst the rap commmunity?

Nice to meet you pot, my name is kettle! :wink:

Pagan
11-21-2006, 05:44 PM
aparently not. or else he wouldnt be complaining from post one at why this got media attention and not the insane dude that no one gives a **** about.
And you just don't get it Nappy, do you?

This "insane dude" is a teacher Nappy...a TEACHER. He speaks to kids all the time, and undoubtedly says the same things to them.

Now, think RATIONALLY for a miinute. What is doing more harm, a TEACHER telling kids they need to kill all white people, or a washed up comic yelling the "n-word" at some people in a comedy club?

Jt0323
11-21-2006, 05:50 PM
ive seen the tape and watched the interview...what Richards did was flat out wrong...no if and or buts about it...flat out wrong... but his apology was Sincere and everyone makes mistakes...everyone dose something in there life that they are not proud of and regret...this is one of them for him...i hope he can get through this...

Den54
11-21-2006, 05:52 PM
ive seen the tape and watched the interview...what Richards did was flat out wrong...no if and or buts about it...flat out wrong... but his apology was Sincere and everyone makes mistakes...everyone dose something in there life that they are not proud of and regret...this is one of them for him...i hope he can get through this...


Well put.

Nappy Roots
11-21-2006, 05:57 PM
And you just don't get it Nappy, do you?

This "insane dude" is a teacher Nappy...a TEACHER. He speaks to kids all the time, and undoubtedly says the same things to them.

Now, think RATIONALLY for a miinute. What is doing more harm, a TEACHER telling kids they need to kill all white people, or a washed up comic yelling the "n-word" at some people in a comedy club?


hes not a teacher. hes a FORMER professor, that probably got fired for exactly that.

and im not saying this guy shouldnt be on the news, im saying the media isnt going to put him up there.

does the media show randy mcmichael yelling on the sidelines? no, but they will show T.O. looking like he might yell.

icephinfan
11-21-2006, 06:00 PM
I remember going to a Chris Rock show, man he really laid into white people.

I wonder if he gets a pass because he is famous????

Buddwalk
11-21-2006, 06:06 PM
what rush limbaugh said a couple years ago, was probobly 100% true but also wrong at the time to say on espn...he should of saved it for his radio show

themole
11-21-2006, 06:53 PM
Just want to add....I'm not saying what Richards did was right. It was stupid and a knee-jerk reaction to heckling, which doesn't forgive the fact that it's assinine...

But what that professor said was well thought out, and spoken with a clear mind. That, my friends, is even dumber.

This is kinda my view on the situation. Obviously both parties were in the wrong. I haven't seen the video, for some reason it will not play from the Drudge Report Site, but at some point in time the hecklers called Richardson a Dumb Cracker, interrupted his work, and told him his work was no good.

All they had to do was simply get up and leave, take it up with management and demand their money back. If they were that displeased with his work.

I'm sure he lashed out with the most hurtful words he could think of to even the score. I don't blame him either, he has a right to finish the job he was hired to do without being interrupted. After all it's just words.

Where was the management when these people were interrupting the show? Seems to me, they had an obligation to the performer to protect him from these kind of insults.

If it would have been me, I would have spared them the bruised ear drums and feelings and knuckled their heads with the microphone or what ever else I could get my hands on.

Azzholes got what they deserved. Richardson, on the other hand will most likely be robbed of his right to livelyhood, pursuit of happiness doing something he loves.

DonShula84
11-21-2006, 06:55 PM
And you just don't get it Nappy, do you?

This "insane dude" is a teacher Nappy...a TEACHER. He speaks to kids all the time, and undoubtedly says the same things to them.

Now, think RATIONALLY for a miinute. What is doing more harm, a TEACHER telling kids they need to kill all white people, or a washed up comic yelling the "n-word" at some people in a comedy club?

Isnt he an ex teacher? Meaning he no longer teachers.

Nappy Roots
11-21-2006, 07:05 PM
This is kinda my view on the situation. Obviously both parties were in the wrong. I haven't seen the video, for some reason it will not play from the Drudge Report Site, but at some point in time the hecklers called Richardson a Dumb Cracker, interrupted his work, and told him his work was no good.

All they had to do was simply get up and leave, take it up with management and demand their money back. If they were that displeased with his work.

I'm sure he lashed out with the most hurtful words he could think of to even the score. I don't blame him either, he has a right to finish the job he was hired to do without being interrupted. After all it's just words.

Where was the management when these people were interrupting the show? Seems to me, they had an obligation to the performer to protect him from these kind of insults.

If it would have been me, I would have spared them the bruised ear drums and feelings and knuckled their heads with the microphone or what ever else I could get my hands on.

Azzholes got what they deserved. Richardson, on the other hand will most likely be robbed of his right to livelyhood, pursuit of happiness doing something he loves.


um, he wasnt called a cracker or anything like that till during his klu klux klan rant.

themole
11-21-2006, 07:10 PM
because anyone would care about this dude why? there are millions of people that are racist, but the story is about a well known guy being openly racist in his act.

not some insane guy that no one really gives a **** about and no one knows who it is.

this has happend i few times and i really dont get it. one thing is posted about racism, then someone feels the need to throw the thread to a side and post racism to another race.

most people know there is racism on both sides, but what exactly is the point of that post?

Isn't that how Adolf Hitler started off? No one cared. He was some insane guy no one really gives a **** about!

FinsNYanksFan13
11-21-2006, 08:58 PM
I thought Richards apology was sincere. I actually got to catch it live on Letterman (for some odd reason I had Letterman on last night, go figure) and I thought he meant his apology and was disgusted with himself. He deserves a second chance. He lost his cool, said some things in the heat of the moment, and has to pay the price for it. With that said though he deserves a second chance. Guys have done much worse and gotten second chances, why shouldn't he?

By the way, Jerry Seinfeld is a damn good friend. He stuck up for his boy to the fullest and I believe Jerry when he says Richards isn't like that. I doubt Seinfeld would have stuck his neck out on the line for him if Richards was a racist guy. Props to Jerry for not hiding and answering in a politically correct way but by going on Letterman and backing his boy up!

PrepDogg
11-21-2006, 09:01 PM
By the way, Jerry Seinfeld is a damn good friend. He stuck up for his boy to the fullest and I believe Jerry when he says Richards isn't like that. I doubt Seinfeld would have stuck his neck out on the line for him if Richards was a racist guy. Props to Jerry for not hiding and answering in a politically correct way but by going on Letterman and backing his boy up!

I agree. :D

SCall13
11-21-2006, 09:01 PM
Funny how that site has that, and everyone is making a big stink about it, but something like this (http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/11/18/former-professor-calls-for-the-extermination-of-all-white-people/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dg-_K0Hlvyys%26mode%3Drelated%26search%3D&frame=true) doesn't get any press.

:shakeno:


Wow. That's worse.

icephinfan
11-21-2006, 09:13 PM
Wow. That's worse.

Yeah, that guy is an idiot.:shakeno:

themole
11-21-2006, 09:29 PM
Wow. That's worse.

Yes it is. What Richards said was knee jerk and meant to be hurtful, but not premeditated. What the professor said was premeditated. If thought and words could ever be considered a hate crime, then there is a classic example.

Roman529
11-21-2006, 10:28 PM
Kramer just sent his career and future down the toilet. :rolleyes:

Coral Reefer
11-22-2006, 12:40 AM
i'm going to go out on a limb and say he's a closet racist and this just pissed him off to the extent where he just let it loose...and how does kramer get less of a lashing that gibson got?
http://pics.livejournal.com/ktempest/pic/0001t8ab


UNBELIEVABLE!

Absolutely unbelievable.
Talk about stirring racial divides.
This is a clear example of the double standard.

Not to mention that there are some very legit rebuttals to questionable issues.
That is nothing more than a slam on any white people that don't pander to a one sided view of race issues.

A cheap out rather than to have to actually debate issues.

Coral Reefer
11-22-2006, 12:49 AM
Kramer just sent his career and future down the toilet. :rolleyes:

Not sure there was much to flush.

Philter25
11-22-2006, 09:24 AM
UNBELIEVABLE!

Absolutely unbelievable.
Talk about stirring racial divides.
This is a clear example of the double standard.

Not to mention that there are some very legit rebuttals to questionable issues.
That is nothing more than a slam on any white people that don't pander to a one sided view of race issues.

A cheap out rather than to have to actually debate issues.
Agreed.


I thought Richards apology was sincere. I actually got to catch it live on Letterman (for some odd reason I had Letterman on last night, go figure) and I thought he meant his apology and was disgusted with himself. He deserves a second chance. He lost his cool, said some things in the heat of the moment, and has to pay the price for it. With that said though he deserves a second chance. Guys have done much worse and gotten second chances, why shouldn't he?

By the way, Jerry Seinfeld is a damn good friend. He stuck up for his boy to the fullest and I believe Jerry when he says Richards isn't like that. I doubt Seinfeld would have stuck his neck out on the line for him if Richards was a racist guy. Props to Jerry for not hiding and answering in a politically correct way but by going on Letterman and backing his boy up!

Well put.

Motion
11-22-2006, 10:12 AM
Not sure there was much to flush.
:yeahthat: I have to laugh at how everyone is saying his career is over now.



Has anyone else heard about what else was said? Apparently there was some much worse exchanges that are not on the released video. They have it on video but Richards is paying the owner of the club to keep it hush. They were talking about it on the radio this morning, supposedly makes his apology look completely fake.

tucker
11-22-2006, 11:04 AM
UNBELIEVABLE!

Absolutely unbelievable.
Talk about stirring racial divides.
This is a clear example of the double standard.

Not to mention that there are some very legit rebuttals to questionable issues.
That is nothing more than a slam on any white people that don't pander to a one sided view of race issues.

A cheap out rather than to have to actually debate issues.maybe you dont like it b/c it is quite accurate..what is there to pander...if you agree with most of them, then maybe its time to look in the mirror..

PhinzN703
11-22-2006, 11:33 AM
Yea I just read that. (Im a VA local also :) ) The reason is simple..... the heckler isnt a celebrity. Im sure stuff like this happens every single day around the world. It seems it is only notable news and discussionworthy when it involves a celebrity and a white person making a racial statement towards someone else.

Yeah man you're really close to where I live :wink:

And as for the celebrity thing, I'm with ya 100%. This guy wont need to go on TV and apologize b/c nobody knows who the hell he is. He's safe b/c he isnt "famous". It still doesn't make it right for him to stoop down to the racist level he was at along with Richards.

PhinzN703
11-22-2006, 11:37 AM
I remember going to a Chris Rock show, man he really laid into white people.

I wonder if he gets a pass because he is famous????

No offense or anything but a lot of black comedians shtick is making fun of white folks.

How we talk, how we dress, the activities we do. Sometimes it's funny and sometimes it isn't. Do I find it racist? Of course. Is it a big deal? Not really. I'll never meet these people I see on TV, so as long as we don't have a personal friendship or are aquaintances, let 'em talk jive about white people.

BTW, when comics mock how white people talk....Who the hell even sounds like that? If a white comic would mock how a rapper talkz n shidd u no wud im sayinnnn, they'd be deemed racist, no?

PhinzN703
11-22-2006, 11:37 AM
um, he wasnt called a cracker or anything like that till during his klu klux klan rant.

2 wrongs don't make a right

PhinzN703
11-22-2006, 11:39 AM
Kramer just sent his career and future down the toilet. :rolleyes:

How can you do anything after being Kramer? He was priceless. A legend

Motion
11-22-2006, 11:49 AM
How can you do anything after being Kramer? He was priceless. A legend

:lol: To some maybe. Seinfeld was one of the most overrated shows ever IMO.




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themole
11-22-2006, 02:36 PM
2 wrongs don't make a right

What I have a difficult time understanding is why calling a true southerner a cracker is supposed to be a racial slur toward white southerners. I'm a cracker, I come from generations of people that proudly embrace the term.

This is the definition of the term from The American Heritage Dictionary:

3. Offensive Used as a disparaging term for a poor white person of the rural, especially southeast United States.

I don't know who told them that, but it's a lie.

Race hating has aboslutely nothing to do with being a "cracker" either. I was never taught to hate or disrespect another human being because of the color of their skin.

Until recently, if it has changed at all, the state of florida was the second leading cattle producing state in the nation. Anywhere west of the mississippi, a cracker is known as a cowboy. In Georgia and Florida a cowboy is known as a cracker.

Mike13
11-22-2006, 02:45 PM
:lol: To some maybe. Seinfeld was one of the most overrated shows ever IMO.


:tantrum:

Mike13
11-22-2006, 02:59 PM
Wow. That's worse.

Yeah thats messed up.

Nappy Roots
11-22-2006, 03:03 PM
What I have a difficult time understanding is why calling a true southerner a cracker is supposed to be a racial slur toward white southerners. I'm a cracker, I come from generations of people that proudly embrace the term.

This is the definition of the term from The American Heritage Dictionary:

3. Offensive Used as a disparaging term for a poor white person of the rural, especially southeast United States.

I don't know who told them that, but it's a lie.

Race hating has aboslutely nothing to do with being a "cracker" either. I was never taught to hate or disrespect another human being because of the color of their skin.

Until recently, if it has changed at all, the state of florida was the second leading cattle producing state in the nation. Anywhere west of the mississippi, a cracker is known as a cowboy. In Georgia and Florida a cowboy is known as a cracker.



white people cracker isnt the same. just like black people "nigga" isnt the same as "******"

cracker was givin to slave owners because of cracking of their whips. . . . .

Mike13
11-22-2006, 03:04 PM
white people cracker isnt the same. just like black people "nigga" isnt the same as "******"

cracker was givin to slave owners because of cracking of their whips. . . . .

Really I always thought it was because they were as white as saltines.

Nappy Roots
11-22-2006, 03:06 PM
Really I always thought it was because they were as white as saltines.


that to, but there are so many different meanings to it.

obviously if your called it by a friend, hes not saying your a slave owner, but just white as a saltine cracker.

Agent51
11-22-2006, 03:09 PM
OK, I'm going to play devil's advocate here, and I am NOT trying to start a huge debate here, just stating my POV.

WHY is it OK for a comic like Chris Rock, or other black comics, to call us crackers all throughout their sets yet suddenly a white comic drops the N-wrod and all hell breaks loose? To me it seems like if you can't take it, don't dish it out. I KNOW this was a bit of a different situation, because he went off on an audience member and it wasn't part of his act, but in some sense that makes it LESS of an offense than Chris Rock using "cracker" every 3 minutes because Kramer's outburst wasn't premeditated while Chris Rock is making millions on his act making fun of white people, their culture, and using what are basically racial slurs about white people.

Now don't get me wrong here, I don't use the N-word, nor do I really condone it, but at the same time I don't get why it's this major sin for a white person to say it yet black people can call use crackers, which even though it doesn't seem to be as harsh a word, is still a racial slur towards whites, and there is no uproar about that. If that had been a black comic on the stage and a white heckler and the guy started calling him a cracker or a redneck etc etc everyone would have laughed, but a white comic drops the n-word and the record scratches to a stop and all hell breaks loose, I just think it's a friggin' ridiculous double-standard.

Spare me the history of the N-word too, because I know it, and I know the weight it carries, but at the same time, rappers, comics, even movie stars all use white racial slurs in their movies, and its ok because they are black and we "owe" them, or that seems to be the common explaination for justifying it, yet a white comic uses a black racial slur and it;s game over. Black comics CONSTANTLY mock white people, be it doing "white people's voices", calling them crackers, making redneck jokes etc etc, and it's acceptable, but let a white comic talk about black heritage or lifestyles and its "not funny or approriate". W-H-Y?

Dave Chappelle PAINTED HIS SKIN WHITE and used a "white guy voice" to do newscasts in some of his sketches, and it was "hilarious" but if a white man painted his skin black and pretended to be a black guy it would be a never ending media controversy. Black people claim they want to be treated equal but then jump at any chance to say the "white man" is holding them down, or treating them unfairly, or "crossing the line" by using a certain word or cracking a certain joke. It's ridiculous, if you want to be treated equal then either stop making jokes (and money from the jokes/songs) about white people and using racial slurs or stop friggin complaining when a white guy does it to you. You can't sit there and cry foul when a white person uses a racial slur or makes a racial joke but then turn around and do it yourself and make MONEY off it. White culture is a major focal point of black (and hispanic) comics (chris rock being one of them) and it's what sells their cds and sells tickets to their shows, but name me a white comic who makes his living bashing black or mexican people? There aren't any, because they would be crucified if they tried.

I mean no disrespect to anyone here, white, black, hispanic, asian, whatever, I don't have a problem with anyone, and I most definately am not a racist, but I am just sick and tired of people, botht he media and the black community, getting in a huge uproar because someone drops the N-bomb when black people use white racial slurs and crack jokes on white lifestyles every single day, and THEY make money off it. I understand the consequences and history of the word, and I don't think it should be dropped everywhere, but at the same time I find it hard to sympathize with people who on one hand get in a rage about a white person using that "hurtful" word, when one, they use the word all the time when talking to each other and two, they use white racial slurs all the time. Maybe if black people didn't walk around using the N-word (and I don't care if one ends in a "guh" or "gah" sound and the other ends in a "ger" sound, its the same damn word) all the time it WOULD be more of a "sin" if a white person used it, but the fact that the word its part of the everyday language for them and they walk around calling each other it just liek a second name, it makes the meaning and the power of the word very dilluted, which is why I feel no sympathy when it DOES get used in a racial way and suddenly, because it wasn't a black person using it as a greeting or a nickname, it's the worst offense in the word. I'm sorry, but I just can't sympathize. :rolleyes2

Do I think Kramer was wrong in saying what he did? Yes.
Do I think it should be the huge media circus that it has become? Not at all.

Nappy Roots
11-22-2006, 03:13 PM
OK, I'm going to play devil's advocate here, and I am NOT trying to start a huge debate here, just stating my POV.

WHY is it OK for a comic like Chris Rock, or other black comics, to call us crackers all throughout their sets yet suddenly a white comic drops the N-wrod and all hell breaks loose? To me it seems like if you can't take it, don't dish it out. I KNOW this was a bit of a different situation, because he went off on an audience member and it wasn't part of his act, but in some sense that makes it LESS of an offense than Chris Rock using "cracker" every 3 minutes because Kramer's outburst wasn't premeditated while Chris Rock is making millions on his act making fun of white people, their culture, and using what are basically racial slurs about white people.

Now don't get me wrong here, I don't use the N-word, nor do I really condone it, but at the same time I don't get why it's this major sin for a white person to say it yet black people can call use crackers, which even though it doesn't seem to be as harsh a word, is still a racial slur towards whites, and there is no uproar about that. If that had been a black comic on the stage and a white heckler and the guy started calling him a cracker or a redneck etc etc everyone would have laughed, but a white comic drops the n-word and the record scratches to a stop and all hell breaks loose, I just think it's a friggin' ridiculous double-standard.

Spare me the history of the N-word too, because I know it, and I know the weight it carries, but at the same time, rappers, comics, even movie stars all use white racial slurs in their movies, and its ok because they are black and we "owe" them, or that seems to be the common explaination for justifying it, yet a white comic uses a black racial slur and it;s game over. Black comics CONSTANTLY mock white people, be it doing "white people's voices", calling them crackers, making redneck jokes etc etc, and it's acceptable, but let a white comic talk about black heritage or lifestyles and its "not funny or approriate". W-H-Y?

Dave Chappelle PAINTED HIS SKIN WHITE and used a "white guy voice" to do newscasts in some of his sketches, and it was "hilarious" but if a white man painted his skin black and pretended to be a black guy it would be a never ending media controversy. Black people claim they want to be treated equal but then jump at any chance to say the "white man" is holding them down, or treating them unfairly, or "crossing the line" by using a certain word or cracking a certain joke. It's ridiculous, if you want to be treated equal then either stop making jokes (and money from the jokes/songs) about white people and using racial slurs or stop friggin complaining when a white guy does it to you. You can't sit there and cry foul when a white person uses a racial slur or makes a racial joke but then turn around and do it yourself and make MONEY off it. White culture is a major focal point of black (and hispanic) comics (chris rock being one of them) and it's what sells their cds and sells tickets to their shows, but name me a white comic who makes his living bashing black or mexican people? There aren't any, because they would be crucified if they tried.

I mean no disrespect to anyone here, white, black, hispanic, asian, whatever, I don't have a problem with anyone, and I most definately am not a racist, but I am just sick and tired of people, botht he media and the black community, getting in a huge uproar because someone drops the N-bomb when black people use white racial slurs and crack jokes on white lifestyles every single day, and THEY make money off it. I understand the consequences and history of the word, and I don't think it should be dropped everywhere, but at the same time I find it hard to sympathize with people who on one hand get in a rage about a white person using that "hurtful" word, when one, they use the word all the time when talking to each other and two, they use white racial slurs all the time. Maybe if black people didn't walk around using the N-word (and I don't care if one ends in a "guh" or "gah" sound and the other ends in a "ger" sound, its the same damn word) all the time it WOULD be more of a "sin" if a white person used it, but the fact that the word its part of the everyday language for them and they walk around calling each other it just liek a second name, it makes the meaning and the power of the word very dilluted, which is why I feel no sympathy when it DOES get used in a racial way and suddenly, because it wasn't a black person using it as a greeting or a nickname, it's the worst offense in the word. I'm sorry, but I just can't sympathize. :rolleyes2



i really dont want to get into anything, so im not going to read all of that, but comparing the word cracker(which MOST black people use the term as in just saying white people, not as a dirogitory term) and the n word shouldnt even be done. plain and simple

and on that note, im out of this thread, cause its played out.....

Mike13
11-22-2006, 03:16 PM
but if a white man painted his skin black and pretended to be a black guy it would be a never ending media controversy

Yes that has happened way back when.

Den54
11-22-2006, 03:23 PM
Really I always thought it was because they were as white as saltines.


CRACKER PLEASE!!:lol:

spydertl79
11-22-2006, 03:24 PM
OK, I'm going to play devil's advocate here, and I am NOT trying to start a huge debate here, just stating my POV.

WHY is it OK for a comic like Chris Rock, or other black comics, to call us crackers all throughout their sets yet suddenly a white comic drops the N-wrod and all hell breaks loose? To me it seems like if you can't take it, don't dish it out. I KNOW this was a bit of a different situation, because he went off on an audience member and it wasn't part of his act, but in some sense that makes it LESS of an offense than Chris Rock using "cracker" every 3 minutes because Kramer's outburst wasn't premeditated while Chris Rock is making millions on his act making fun of white people, their culture, and using what are basically racial slurs about white people.

Now don't get me wrong here, I don't use the N-word, nor do I really condone it, but at the same time I don't get why it's this major sin for a white person to say it yet black people can call use crackers, which even though it doesn't seem to be as harsh a word, is still a racial slur towards whites, and there is no uproar about that. If that had been a black comic on the stage and a white heckler and the guy started calling him a cracker or a redneck etc etc everyone would have laughed, but a white comic drops the n-word and the record scratches to a stop and all hell breaks loose, I just think it's a friggin' ridiculous double-standard.

Spare me the history of the N-word too, because I know it, and I know the weight it carries, but at the same time, rappers, comics, even movie stars all use white racial slurs in their movies, and its ok because they are black and we "owe" them, or that seems to be the common explaination for justifying it, yet a white comic uses a black racial slur and it;s game over. Black comics CONSTANTLY mock white people, be it doing "white people's voices", calling them crackers, making redneck jokes etc etc, and it's acceptable, but let a white comic talk about black heritage or lifestyles and its "not funny or approriate". W-H-Y?

Dave Chappelle PAINTED HIS SKIN WHITE and used a "white guy voice" to do newscasts in some of his sketches, and it was "hilarious" but if a white man painted his skin black and pretended to be a black guy it would be a never ending media controversy. Black people claim they want to be treated equal but then jump at any chance to say the "white man" is holding them down, or treating them unfairly, or "crossing the line" by using a certain word or cracking a certain joke. It's ridiculous, if you want to be treated equal then either stop making jokes (and money from the jokes/songs) about white people and using racial slurs or stop friggin complaining when a white guy does it to you. You can't sit there and cry foul when a white person uses a racial slur or makes a racial joke but then turn around and do it yourself and make MONEY off it. White culture is a major focal point of black (and hispanic) comics (chris rock being one of them) and it's what sells their cds and sells tickets to their shows, but name me a white comic who makes his living bashing black or mexican people? There aren't any, because they would be crucified if they tried.

I mean no disrespect to anyone here, white, black, hispanic, asian, whatever, I don't have a problem with anyone, and I most definately am not a racist, but I am just sick and tired of people, botht he media and the black community, getting in a huge uproar because someone drops the N-bomb when black people use white racial slurs and crack jokes on white lifestyles every single day, and THEY make money off it. I understand the consequences and history of the word, and I don't think it should be dropped everywhere, but at the same time I find it hard to sympathize with people who on one hand get in a rage about a white person using that "hurtful" word, when one, they use the word all the time when talking to each other and two, they use white racial slurs all the time. Maybe if black people didn't walk around using the N-word (and I don't care if one ends in a "guh" or "gah" sound and the other ends in a "ger" sound, its the same damn word) all the time it WOULD be more of a "sin" if a white person used it, but the fact that the word its part of the everyday language for them and they walk around calling each other it just liek a second name, it makes the meaning and the power of the word very dilluted, which is why I feel no sympathy when it DOES get used in a racial way and suddenly, because it wasn't a black person using it as a greeting or a nickname, it's the worst offense in the word. I'm sorry, but I just can't sympathize. :rolleyes2

Do I think Kramer was wrong in saying what he did? Yes.
Do I think it should be the huge media circus that it has become? Not at all.
You said it yourself, N***** carries a lot more weight than cracker.

themole
11-22-2006, 04:06 PM
white people cracker isnt the same. just like black people "nigga" isnt the same as "******"

cracker was givin to slave owners because of cracking of their whips. . . . .

That's a possibility. It could have a double meaning. But,
I doubt the term "cracker" as we are discussing it even existed until post civil war. But maybe it did, it's not that much of a stretch.

I do know the term "cracker" did apply to those who were most likely on the same economic scale (cowhands & those who didn't want to be share croppers) as perhaps the x slaves of the time. History proves that there were/are both black & white crackers. I agree, the term (as I use it & was taught) comes from cracking of the whip in driveing cattle to the stock yards.

Perfect23
11-22-2006, 04:24 PM
Isn't that how Adolf Hitler started off? No one cared. He was some insane guy no one really gives a **** about!

ohhhh I think you may have just won an argument with a great point.:wink:

PhinzN703
11-22-2006, 04:27 PM
That's a possibility. It could have a double meaning. But,
I doubt the term "cracker" as we are discussing it even existed until post civil war. But maybe it did, it's not that much of a stretch.

I do know the term "cracker" did apply to those who were most likely on the same economic scale (cowhands & those who didn't want to be share croppers) as perhaps the x slaves of the time. History proves that there were/are both black & white crackers. I agree, the term (as I use it & was taught) comes from cracking of the whip in driveing cattle to the stock yards.

If that is the case, what does it have to do with any of us white folks today? Do we crack whips at slaves today? Hell no

And if it's about us being saltine cracker white, how can that not be an insult?

Just look at the meaning of the word nig*er. Tell me what it says

Perfect23
11-22-2006, 04:29 PM
the fact that you posted the professor and complaining about it before evening saying ANYTHING about the thread is exactly what im talking about.

you have the link, make a thread about it if you want to show more racism on white people. most people in this thread havent seen that douche bag.

and no one "dismissed" the professor. there isnt one person that said, "oh well hes right".

there was people clapping when he said it

PhinzN703
11-22-2006, 04:30 PM
OK, I'm going to play devil's advocate here, and I am NOT trying to start a huge debate here, just stating my POV.

WHY is it OK for a comic like Chris Rock, or other black comics, to call us crackers all throughout their sets yet suddenly a white comic drops the N-wrod and all hell breaks loose? To me it seems like if you can't take it, don't dish it out. I KNOW this was a bit of a different situation, because he went off on an audience member and it wasn't part of his act, but in some sense that makes it LESS of an offense than Chris Rock using "cracker" every 3 minutes because Kramer's outburst wasn't premeditated while Chris Rock is making millions on his act making fun of white people, their culture, and using what are basically racial slurs about white people.

Now don't get me wrong here, I don't use the N-word, nor do I really condone it, but at the same time I don't get why it's this major sin for a white person to say it yet black people can call use crackers, which even though it doesn't seem to be as harsh a word, is still a racial slur towards whites, and there is no uproar about that. If that had been a black comic on the stage and a white heckler and the guy started calling him a cracker or a redneck etc etc everyone would have laughed, but a white comic drops the n-word and the record scratches to a stop and all hell breaks loose, I just think it's a friggin' ridiculous double-standard.

Spare me the history of the N-word too, because I know it, and I know the weight it carries, but at the same time, rappers, comics, even movie stars all use white racial slurs in their movies, and its ok because they are black and we "owe" them, or that seems to be the common explaination for justifying it, yet a white comic uses a black racial slur and it;s game over. Black comics CONSTANTLY mock white people, be it doing "white people's voices", calling them crackers, making redneck jokes etc etc, and it's acceptable, but let a white comic talk about black heritage or lifestyles and its "not funny or approriate". W-H-Y?

Dave Chappelle PAINTED HIS SKIN WHITE and used a "white guy voice" to do newscasts in some of his sketches, and it was "hilarious" but if a white man painted his skin black and pretended to be a black guy it would be a never ending media controversy. Black people claim they want to be treated equal but then jump at any chance to say the "white man" is holding them down, or treating them unfairly, or "crossing the line" by using a certain word or cracking a certain joke. It's ridiculous, if you want to be treated equal then either stop making jokes (and money from the jokes/songs) about white people and using racial slurs or stop friggin complaining when a white guy does it to you. You can't sit there and cry foul when a white person uses a racial slur or makes a racial joke but then turn around and do it yourself and make MONEY off it. White culture is a major focal point of black (and hispanic) comics (chris rock being one of them) and it's what sells their cds and sells tickets to their shows, but name me a white comic who makes his living bashing black or mexican people? There aren't any, because they would be crucified if they tried.

I mean no disrespect to anyone here, white, black, hispanic, asian, whatever, I don't have a problem with anyone, and I most definately am not a racist, but I am just sick and tired of people, botht he media and the black community, getting in a huge uproar because someone drops the N-bomb when black people use white racial slurs and crack jokes on white lifestyles every single day, and THEY make money off it. I understand the consequences and history of the word, and I don't think it should be dropped everywhere, but at the same time I find it hard to sympathize with people who on one hand get in a rage about a white person using that "hurtful" word, when one, they use the word all the time when talking to each other and two, they use white racial slurs all the time. Maybe if black people didn't walk around using the N-word (and I don't care if one ends in a "guh" or "gah" sound and the other ends in a "ger" sound, its the same damn word) all the time it WOULD be more of a "sin" if a white person used it, but the fact that the word its part of the everyday language for them and they walk around calling each other it just liek a second name, it makes the meaning and the power of the word very dilluted, which is why I feel no sympathy when it DOES get used in a racial way and suddenly, because it wasn't a black person using it as a greeting or a nickname, it's the worst offense in the word. I'm sorry, but I just can't sympathize. :rolleyes2

Do I think Kramer was wrong in saying what he did? Yes.
Do I think it should be the huge media circus that it has become? Not at all.

Good post man, I'm with you on the subject matter. Chappelle's portayal of the white guy wasn't that funny. The rest of his show is.

Chris Rock, Eddie Murphy, Katt Williams, anyone on Def Comedy Jam..it's all about white people and how they act.

It's one of those things man. If something happens where a black guy is fired or cut loose from a team or anything, racism always peers its head inside.

Like in a movie for example, if the black guy dies first, or if there are no blacks/mexicans/whoeever in it at all, then people deem the movie racist.

icephinfan
11-22-2006, 04:33 PM
This is the shorter version, You Tube took off the full apology.

http://us.video.aol.com/video.index.adp?mode=1&pmmsid=1773282

Perfect23
11-22-2006, 04:36 PM
im not sure how anyone can compare the word cracker to the n word. maybe its because ive been called that most of my life, including by some of my boys, that i dont think its bad. anger is anger. saying such racist words tells me like tucker said, hes a closet racist and it made him go off and show his real colors.

Like you dont have friends who never told you a rascist joke:confused:

Scrap
11-22-2006, 05:16 PM
Racism is wrong. Now would someone go tell that to the Wayans brothers or Chris Rock ? They get away with dogging out white people all the time.

tucker
11-22-2006, 05:19 PM
i really cant believe the crap i hear in here....either most people dont live around many black people or say they cant be racist b/c they have black friend(s) or there is a huge age difference

Jt0323
11-22-2006, 05:22 PM
Muhhmad Ali said it the best "Hating people because of their color is wrong. And it doesn't matter which color does the hating. It's just plain wrong."

unluckyluciano
11-22-2006, 05:34 PM
both racist..both guys wrong

Yup. It kind of sux to see someone torn by racism so much, both guys that is.

unluckyluciano
11-22-2006, 05:35 PM
i really cant believe the crap i hear in here....either most people dont live around many black people or say they cant be racist b/c they have black friend(s) or there is a huge age difference

What are you referring to?

themole
11-22-2006, 05:57 PM
If that is the case, what does it have to do with any of us white folks today? Do we crack whips at slaves today? Hell no

And if it's about us being saltine cracker white, how can that not be an insult?

Just look at the meaning of the word nig*er. Tell me what it says

That's my point. I proudly call myself a "Cracker" as do all deep rooted Georgians and Floridians. It has nothing to do with abusing another human being and everything to do with honoring hardworking folk scratching and clawing the fruits of their labor from the elements.

The saltine cracker white reference is exactly what I am with a dose of Creek Indian. Maybe I'm a bisquit. What about the asians? Do they call the Cheezits?

As for the word: ******. I'm no linguist or wordologist but I would hazard a guess that it comes from the southern dilect of the word negro. I was taught to say negra but not ******. Another possibility could be from the word nig·gard ( n¹g“…rd) n. 1. A stingy, grasping person; a miser. adj. 1. Stingy; miserly. Maybe because the people were so poor they had to be that way to exist.

I have had enough of the one sidedness though. That's the insult to me.

DeathStar
11-22-2006, 07:29 PM
kramer wearing black face, pretending to be black.

VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVt6eoKB9sw&eurl=

SkapePhin
11-22-2006, 08:14 PM
Well, I don't get it because were generations removed from "slavery". None of us living now had anything to do with owning someone else and none of us now were enslaved. If a group is going to rightfully fight for rights and get them, at that point it should be over. If that group holds on to hate issues for generations afterward and points that hatred to people that had nothing to do with the atrocities They're only going backwards.

In fact what they are doing is pushing people that are on the same page with them away and creating racial conflict all over again.

There are people today that are the farthest thing from racist becoming extremely sensitive to being in the group always labled as racists for just about any issue that arises.



This part is just flawed thinking IMO and it leads to a cycle where the issue will NEVER be resolved. Both groups in this scenario are flat out wrong. Neither has a better cause in being wrong.


I just wrote up a long thing as a reply, but I walked away, and somehow I got logged out and lost everything.. :(

Ahh, forget it.. This really ticks me off.

Scatman
11-23-2006, 04:14 AM
OK, I'm going to play devil's advocate here, and I am NOT trying to start a huge debate here, just stating my POV.

WHY is it OK for a comic like Chris Rock, or other black comics, to call us crackers all throughout their sets yet suddenly a white comic drops the N-wrod and all hell breaks loose? To me it seems like if you can't take it, don't dish it out. I KNOW this was a bit of a different situation, because he went off on an audience member and it wasn't part of his act, but in some sense that makes it LESS of an offense than Chris Rock using "cracker" every 3 minutes because Kramer's outburst wasn't premeditated while Chris Rock is making millions on his act making fun of white people, their culture, and using what are basically racial slurs about white people.

Now don't get me wrong here, I don't use the N-word, nor do I really condone it, but at the same time I don't get why it's this major sin for a white person to say it yet black people can call use crackers, which even though it doesn't seem to be as harsh a word, is still a racial slur towards whites, and there is no uproar about that. If that had been a black comic on the stage and a white heckler and the guy started calling him a cracker or a redneck etc etc everyone would have laughed, but a white comic drops the n-word and the record scratches to a stop and all hell breaks loose, I just think it's a friggin' ridiculous double-standard.

Spare me the history of the N-word too, because I know it, and I know the weight it carries, but at the same time, rappers, comics, even movie stars all use white racial slurs in their movies, and its ok because they are black and we "owe" them, or that seems to be the common explaination for justifying it, yet a white comic uses a black racial slur and it;s game over. Black comics CONSTANTLY mock white people, be it doing "white people's voices", calling them crackers, making redneck jokes etc etc, and it's acceptable, but let a white comic talk about black heritage or lifestyles and its "not funny or approriate". W-H-Y?

Dave Chappelle PAINTED HIS SKIN WHITE and used a "white guy voice" to do newscasts in some of his sketches, and it was "hilarious" but if a white man painted his skin black and pretended to be a black guy it would be a never ending media controversy. Black people claim they want to be treated equal but then jump at any chance to say the "white man" is holding them down, or treating them unfairly, or "crossing the line" by using a certain word or cracking a certain joke. It's ridiculous, if you want to be treated equal then either stop making jokes (and money from the jokes/songs) about white people and using racial slurs or stop friggin complaining when a white guy does it to you. You can't sit there and cry foul when a white person uses a racial slur or makes a racial joke but then turn around and do it yourself and make MONEY off it. White culture is a major focal point of black (and hispanic) comics (chris rock being one of them) and it's what sells their cds and sells tickets to their shows, but name me a white comic who makes his living bashing black or mexican people? There aren't any, because they would be crucified if they tried.

I mean no disrespect to anyone here, white, black, hispanic, asian, whatever, I don't have a problem with anyone, and I most definately am not a racist, but I am just sick and tired of people, botht he media and the black community, getting in a huge uproar because someone drops the N-bomb when black people use white racial slurs and crack jokes on white lifestyles every single day, and THEY make money off it. I understand the consequences and history of the word, and I don't think it should be dropped everywhere, but at the same time I find it hard to sympathize with people who on one hand get in a rage about a white person using that "hurtful" word, when one, they use the word all the time when talking to each other and two, they use white racial slurs all the time. Maybe if black people didn't walk around using the N-word (and I don't care if one ends in a "guh" or "gah" sound and the other ends in a "ger" sound, its the same damn word) all the time it WOULD be more of a "sin" if a white person used it, but the fact that the word its part of the everyday language for them and they walk around calling each other it just liek a second name, it makes the meaning and the power of the word very dilluted, which is why I feel no sympathy when it DOES get used in a racial way and suddenly, because it wasn't a black person using it as a greeting or a nickname, it's the worst offense in the word. I'm sorry, but I just can't sympathize. :rolleyes2

Do I think Kramer was wrong in saying what he did? Yes.
Do I think it should be the huge media circus that it has become? Not at all.

well said, well said. Im cuban and proud of it....if someone calls me a spic...man i really dont care. the thing is like agent says: is doesnt matter how it ends in a, er, uh ...whatever it means the same. If its that derogatory then they shouldnt call each other that. here's an example:
http://www.filecabi.net/video/bbq-fight-kids.html
and to all the white people that act like its a huge deal that another white person said the mighty n word, get freaking over it...cause i guarantee you that at somepoint in your life youve said it - and ill call bs to all those that will come out and say "ive never said it" - bs i say, bs.
kramer was wrong, very wrong but honestly sooooo what, there are so many more important things in life. And that ones that make the biggest deal about this are white people.

Agent51
11-23-2006, 05:02 AM
I just wrote up a long thing as a reply, but I walked away, and somehow I got logged out and lost everything.. :(

Ahh, forget it.. This really ticks me off.

Happens to me a lot when I sign on with other computers, here's the trick I learned.

When it says you aren't logged in, put your name and password back in, then it will go to a page that says thank you for logging in, then redirect to a page that says something like "invalid thread specified". At this page hit back once, then the warning page will come up saying resend info, do NOT refresh here, hit back one MORE time and what appears to be the same page will come up, except if you notice in the address bar it says "newreply" towards the end of the addy.

On this page hit "refresh" and then "yes" to resend info. BAM, you will be directed to the thread and your post will be tthere, just like any other time you submit a reply :up:

Agent51
11-23-2006, 05:17 AM
well said, well said. Im cuban and proud of it....if someone calls me a spic...man i really dont care. the thing is like agent says: is doesnt matter how it ends in a, er, uh ...whatever it means the same. If its that derogatory then they shouldnt call each other that. here's an example:
http://www.filecabi.net/video/bbq-fight-kids.html
and to all the white people that act like its a huge deal that another white person said the mighty n word, get freaking over it...cause i guarantee you that at somepoint in your life youve said it - and ill call bs to all those that will come out and say "ive never said it" - bs i say, bs.
kramer was wrong, very wrong but honestly sooooo what, there are so many more important things in life. And that ones that make the biggest deal about this are white people.

EXACTLY man. The word is very derogatory, and it came from a much different time in history, and it SHOULDN'T be said, but at the same time, the true meaning of the word is so diluted now that it really lost it's shock factor, and it's historical meaning. When black people stop walking around using the word as a greeting and a nickname and a money-maker, then I will be more apt to actually feel they have a valid point at getting angry when a white guy, or anyone else, uses the word toward them.

Again, I know "cracker" and the N-word don't hold the same weight, but it IS a derogatory term used by black people towards white people. Regardless if it's historical backround, when it comes down to it they are both racial words. So when Chris Rock and all the other comics stop calling whites crackers and making money off of it and making fun of the "white lifestyle" and black people stop calling whites crackers and rednecks and hicks and hispanics wetbacks and beeners and asians chinks and gooks and whatever else they say, then they ca actually complain when someone (mainly a whote person) drops the term on them. I'm definately not justifying it, or saying we should all be allowed to use the word, because I don't really think anyone should use it, but I'm not going to sympathize with someone who uses racial slurs and tells racial jokes but then gets called one themselves :rolleyes2

DonShula84
11-23-2006, 05:31 AM
The reason why it is okay for a minority to insult the majority is because there isnt hundreds of years of oppression and abuse behind the word cracker or whatever else the minority says about those in power. When you insult those in power it empowers you it's meant to attack the power structure. When you insult those who have no power it is about keeping them subjugated. White people weren't oppressed for centuries with black people yelling cracker at them, context matters.

Now I know in today's society it may not mean as much because there is far more equality and social mobility but put it in a historical context and that is why it's acceptable for one and not the other.

All insults arent equal also. Saying the N word and cracker are so far from being equivalent it isnt even funny. Plus, plenty of white and black comedians make fun of black people and black culture so it isnt exactly just a one way street. There is also a difference between telling a racist joke, and doing what Kramer did.

That's my opinion on it anyway and why I have no problem with a comedian making fun of white people. Comedy makes fun of all races though, to say differently is a lie. It is really everyday people where it's an issue, black guy can call a white guy a cracker and no one will say anything but a white guy calling a black guy a ****** will raise hell, but I have no problem with that tbh for the above reasons

ih8brady
11-23-2006, 05:37 AM
The reason why it is okay for a minority to insult the majority is because there isnt hundreds of years of oppression and abuse behind the word cracker or whatever else the minority says about those in power. When you insult those in power it empowers you it's meant to attack the power structure. When you insult those who have no power it is about keeping them subjugated. White people weren't oppressed for centuries with black people yelling cracker at them, context matters.

Now I know in today's society it may not mean as much because there is far more equality and social mobility but put it in a historical context and that is why it's acceptable for one and not the other.

All insults arent equal also. Saying the N word and cracker are so far from being equivalent it isnt even funny. Plus, plenty of white and black comedians make fun of black people and black culture so it isnt exactly just a one way street. There is also a difference between telling a racist joke, and doing what Kramer did.

Its never okay to be a racial bigot no matter who you are.

As for comedy, I think race (just like religion, jobs, sex, politics, etc) is fair game but you have to be funny. Just shouting slurs at hecklers is not funny.

DonShula84
11-23-2006, 05:39 AM
Its never okay to be a racial bigot no matter who you are.

As for comedy, I think race (just like religion, jobs, sex, politics, etc) is fair game but you have to be funny. Just shouting slurs at hecklers is not funny.

replace okay for accepted or ignored. And I'd disagree it's never okay. Like I said those with out power use stuff like this as a weapon, not just racial jokes but insults in general, so they can show amongst themselves that they arent completely controlled. This obviously isnt as prevalent or important an excuse in our society today though.

ih8brady
11-23-2006, 05:43 AM
replace okay for accepted or ignored.


Well, then, yes that is how society works today but I think it is crap. Judge somebody by their actions and who they are , not by what tone their skin is. Not that difficult to understand and simple in practice.

DonShula84
11-23-2006, 05:47 AM
Well, then, yes that is how society works today but I think it is crap. Judge somebody by their actions and who they are , not by what tone their skin is. Not that difficult to understand and simple in practice.

I agree in society that is how it should be. I have no problem with a comedian breaking this rule though, like you said in your previous post.

Agent51
11-23-2006, 05:48 AM
Its never okay to be a racial bigot no matter who you are.

As for comedy, I think race (just like religion, jobs, sex, politics, etc) is fair game but you have to be funny. Just shouting slurs at hecklers is not funny.

What dictates funny though? For example, some peope laughed when Kramer went off on the guy, while others were obviously not as pleased. Now I am a firm believer in free speech, and if you REALLY feel the need to say those words then it is your right, regardless of who agrees and disagrees. I also agree that comics or musicians or actors should be able to say whatever they want in their respective crafts. When I have a problem with it is when one party uses the racial slurs and sterotypes so freely and it's supposed to be OK, but the other party uses a racial slur and there is a huge uproar. My take is, don't dish it out if you can't take it.

Personally the fact that the N-word was a symbol of oppression and "cracker" doesn't come anywhere near it in terms of historical backround means nothing to me. Again, I don't condone the word, and I wouldnt have said what Kramer did, but if it was a black man up there and a white heckler and the black men went on a tyraid about white people/culture it wouldn't get a second look, and that is wrong. Either neither of them get a second look or they both do. If you want equality you don't get to pick and choose what parts of it you want. You can't take all the good stuff (like equal job opportunities, etc) and still expect special treatment on the not so good stuff (like racial slurs/jokes sensitivity).

DonShula84
11-23-2006, 05:51 AM
I think you are greatly under estimating how much black culture is made fun of in comedy, both by white and black comedians. It isnt like white culture is fair game and black culture is hands off like you are making it seem. Every culture, every race and every religion is the butt of jokes by a wide range of comedians. Even Chris Rock uses the N word in a dirogatory way against black people

Agent51
11-23-2006, 06:00 AM
I think you are greatly under estimating how much black culture is made fun of in comedy, both by white and black comedians. It isnt like white culture is fair game and black culture is hands off like you are making it seem. Every culture, every race and every religion is the butt of jokes by a wide range of comedians. Even Chris Rock uses the N word in a dirogatory way against black people

I'm not really saying it's untouched, I'm saying that, even though whites may use black culture in theri act, you KNOW they are still watching what they say and how they word things, whereas black comedians tend to have a free pass to say whatever they want. There are no "off-limit" words for a black comedian, there definately are for white comedians. Tell me one instance where a white man used the N-word in his act, and not that "slang" variations that for some reason are acceptable even though it's the same damn word.

My main point is you can't really complain about someone doing something if you do it yourself, and I don't think Kramer deserves to be crucified like this, even though he definately shouldn't have said what he did.

ih8brady
11-23-2006, 06:08 AM
What dictates funny though? For example, some peope laughed when Kramer went off on the guy, while others were obviously not as pleased. Now I am a firm believer in free speech, and if you REALLY feel the need to say those words then it is your right, regardless of who agrees and disagrees. I also agree that comics or musicians or actors should be able to say whatever they want in their respective crafts. When I have a problem with it is when one party uses the racial slurs and sterotypes so freely and it's supposed to be OK, but the other party uses a racial slur and there is a huge uproar. My take is, don't dish it out if you can't take it.

Personally the fact that the N-word was a symbol of oppression and "cracker" doesn't come anywhere near it in terms of historical backround means nothing to me. Again, I don't condone the word, and I wouldnt have said what Kramer did, but if it was a black man up there and a white heckler and the black men went on a tyraid about white people/culture it wouldn't get a second look, and that is wrong. Either neither of them get a second look or they both do. If you want equality you don't get to pick and choose what parts of it you want. You can't take all the good stuff (like equal job opportunities, etc) and still expect special treatment on the not so good stuff (like racial slurs/jokes sensitivity).


Is "funny" subjective? Yes, but you have to attempt to be funny and not mean-spirited.

Agent51
11-23-2006, 06:33 AM
Is "funny" subjective? Yes, but you have to attempt to be funny and not mean-spirited.

That makes a lot more sense. Attempting to make a joke as opposed to saying it just to say it, or be hurtful is a better way of wording it than saying it has to be funny, because as you said, what is and isn't funny is extremely subjective. I figured that's what you meant, but I just wanted to clear it up.

Scatman
11-23-2006, 02:34 PM
I'm not really saying it's untouched, I'm saying that, even though whites may use black culture in theri act, you KNOW they are still watching what they say and how they word things, whereas black comedians tend to have a free pass to say whatever they want. There are no "off-limit" words for a black comedian, there definately are for white comedians. Tell me one instance where a white man used the N-word in his act, and not that "slang" variations that for some reason are acceptable even though it's the same damn word.

My main point is you can't really complain about someone doing something if you do it yourself, and I don't think Kramer deserves to be crucified like this, even though he definately shouldn't have said what he did.

preach on. can i get an amen?

Perfect23
11-23-2006, 02:53 PM
WHY DOSENT THE OTHER GUY HAVE TO APOLIGIZE HE CALLED HIM A CRACKER i WANNA HEAR HIS APOLOGY

DonShula84
11-23-2006, 03:15 PM
WHY DOSENT THE OTHER GUY HAVE TO APOLIGIZE HE CALLED HIM A CRACKER i WANNA HEAR HIS APOLOGY

Yeah, the black guy who is being screamed at about what would happen to him 50 years ago and being called the n word over and over and humiliated infront of a room of people is going to apologize for calling him a cracker. Good luck with that one. :rolleyes:

unifiedtheory
11-23-2006, 03:22 PM
Happens to me a lot when I sign on with other computers, here's the trick I learned.

When it says you aren't logged in, put your name and password back in, then it will go to a page that says thank you for logging in, then redirect to a page that says something like "invalid thread specified". At this page hit back once, then the warning page will come up saying resend info, do NOT refresh here, hit back one MORE time and what appears to be the same page will come up, except if you notice in the address bar it says "newreply" towards the end of the addy.

On this page hit "refresh" and then "yes" to resend info. BAM, you will be directed to the thread and your post will be tthere, just like any other time you submit a reply :up:

If I had known this a year ago I would probably have less grey hair...LOL!

ih8brady
11-23-2006, 03:54 PM
Yeah, the black guy who is being screamed at about what would happen to him 50 years ago and being called the n word over and over and humiliated infront of a room of people is going to apologize for calling him a cracker. Good luck with that one. :rolleyes:


that guy isnt famous so nobody makes a deal out of it.

KingCrowder
11-23-2006, 04:19 PM
http://www.tmz.com/2006/11/20/kramers-racist-tirade-caught-on-tape/


and right about now Mel Gibson is smiling, as someone else tops his stupidity from earlier this year... at least Mad Max was drunk when he let loose.


Personally i thought it looked a little like it was staged for a publicity stunt.

HysterikiLL
11-23-2006, 04:25 PM
Am I the only one that thinks that these guys who are going to sue him are reaching a little too far? Sure, he offended them, but maybe they should just let it drop. These guys are now going off saying they're suffering punitive damages because of what he said. No doubt what he did was wrong, and he should be punished for it, but if these guys are going to sue for millions, :rolleyes:

KingCrowder
11-23-2006, 04:50 PM
Am I the only one that thinks that these guys who are going to sue him are reaching a little too far? Sure, he offended them, but maybe they should just let it drop. These guys are now going off saying they're suffering punitive damages because of what he said. No doubt what he did was wrong, and he should be punished for it, but if these guys are going to sue for millions, :rolleyes:


Yes they need to shut up and let it die. not to mention they fact that they started it by heckling him first, and they admitted they liked to heckle people to get a reaction. but like i said his reaction from what i've seen looks staged to me, like a publicity stunt.

BUT...

If they win then I'm going to Sue The BET network work for not have white programing. i feel discriminated against because of that and i feel all that mental suffering has to be worth something.

Scatman
11-23-2006, 05:40 PM
Yes they need to shut up and let it die. not to mention they fact that they started it by heckling him first, and they admitted they liked to heckle people to get a reaction. but like i said his reaction from what i've seen looks staged to me, like a publicity stunt.

BUT...

If they win then I'm going to Sue The BET network work for not have white programing. i feel discriminated against because of that and i feel all that mental suffering has to be worth something.


i sedcond that motion...why dont we have a freaking cuban network...and why do blacks get a whole month......i want a whole month too. even thinking about it, imagine if whites say this is white history month...or white month...could you imagine...just tired of all this hypocritacl bs. your living in the most beautiful country on earth, free to make all your dreams come true...your forefathers paid a heavy price for it, no doubt....but now be grateful for what you have....cause guess what if it wasnt for slaver.....you prob wouldnt be here. i had to go on a freaking raft when i was 2 years old to get here...2 of the guys on the raft died...i dont get no reperation.

DonShula84
11-23-2006, 05:49 PM
This thread is just getting ugly...

Agent51
11-23-2006, 05:55 PM
This thread is just getting ugly...

I agree, it seems like it's taking a turn to bashing black culture now as opposed to the original point, which is unfortunate.