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Phinz420
11-25-2006, 08:16 PM
Im having a hard time deciphering the logistics of the BCS. I understand that it is supposed to be a mixture of the polls & calculation of strength of schedule. Somehow, the latter goes completly out the window when determining the BCS.

Lets just take a look at who they have played.

Michigan 2006 Schedule DATE OPPONENT RESULT/TIME
09/02Vanderbilt (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=238)W 27-7 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=262450130)
09/09C Michigan (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2117)W 41-17 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=262520130)
09/16at #2 N Dame (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=87)W 47-21 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=262590087)
09/23Wisconsin (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=275)W 27-13 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=262660130)
09/30at Minnesota (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=135)W 28-14 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=262730135)
10/07Mich St (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=127)W 31-13 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=262800130)
10/14at Penn State (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=213)W 17-10 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=262870213)
10/21Iowa (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2294)W 20-6 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=262940130)
10/28N'western (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=77)W 17-3 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=263010130)
11/04Ball St (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2050)W 34-26 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=263080130)
11/11at Indiana (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=84)W 34-3 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=263150084)
11/18at #1 Ohio St (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=194)L 42-39 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=263220194)



So they beat Notre Dame and lose to the only other ranked team on their schedule in OSU, but somehow they are ranked ahead of Florida?
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2006 Schedule DATE OPPONENT RESULT/TIME
09/02So Miss (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2572)W 34-7 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=262450057)
09/09C Florida (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2116)W 42-0 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=262520057)
09/16at #13 Tennessee (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2633)W 21-20 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=262592633)
09/23Kentucky (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=96)W 26-7 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=262660057)
09/30Alabama (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=333)W 28-13 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=262730057)
10/07#9 LSU (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=99)W 23-10 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=262800057)
10/14at #11 Auburn (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2)L 27-17 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=262870002)
10/28at Georgia (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=61)W 21-14 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=263010057)
11/04at Vanderbilt (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=238)W 25-19 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=263080238)
11/11S Carolina (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2579)W 17-16 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=263150057)
11/18W Carolina (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2717)W 62-0 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=263220057)
11/25at Florida St (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=52)W 21-14 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=263290052)
12/02#5 Arkansas (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=8)6:00 PM


It is obvious who has played and beaten more ranked teams. I am clueless as to how ESPN and other places conclude that Michigan's schedule is stronger. IF the Gators win the SEC, and USC drops to Notre Dame tonight, I can not possibly see how anyone could suggest Michigan deserves the title shot over Florida. There can even be an argument that FL is as deserving as USC because they lost to an unranked team.

Not only has Florida played and beaten better teams than Michigan, but they may actually win their division unlike Michigan. IMO there is no argument to support Michigan in the BCS title game except the really lame one about the score of their previous bout with OSU. Which Michigan fans seem to blow out of proportion in every debate.


Im not totally pissed off that Michigan fans think they truly deserve a rematch. What I am pissed off about is the fact that we are sitting here forced to argue over who should be playing for the national championship, when a properly done playoff system would decide all of this for us.

NCAA has some of the most exciting football to watch, its just a damn shame that there are some stubborn *******s that refuse to give the fans what they want, and that is an undisputed national champion.

Pennington's Rocket Arm
11-25-2006, 08:21 PM
i can't say UF's schedule is significantly better than michigan's. and i think places like sportsline has UM's schedule ranked higher anyway.

HysterikiLL
11-25-2006, 08:25 PM
Please provide a link to where ESPN said Michigan had a stronger schedule than Florida. Thank you.

Pennington's Rocket Arm
11-25-2006, 08:26 PM
http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/polls/119

HysterikiLL
11-25-2006, 08:28 PM
Please provide a link to where ESPN said Michigan had a stronger schedule than Florida. Thank you.

:rolleyes2

I was talking to the poster, not you, Joe.

Pennington's Rocket Arm
11-25-2006, 08:29 PM
shutup.

Phinz420
11-25-2006, 08:29 PM
Please provide a link to where ESPN said Michigan had a stronger schedule than Florida. Thank you.
I wish I could but while I was surfing FH there was a bit on ESPN discussing Michigan vs Florida. They had a part showing Florida with the #5 ranked schedule in the country while Michigan was #2.

This is part of what lead to my thread.

Phinz420
11-25-2006, 08:31 PM
i can't say UF's schedule is significantly better than michigan's. and i think places like sportsline has UM's schedule ranked higher anyway.

Even with having to play Arkansas for the SEC championship? Compared to Michigan sitting at home during their conference title because they lost to OSU?


Not to mention as well that IMO the teams FL played that are unranked are superior to most of the unranked teams that MI played.

Alex44
11-25-2006, 08:33 PM
I think Michigan did have a similar schedule, and they came within 3 points if the #1 team in the country on the road.

Florida played a couple more 'powerhouse' teams but Michigan played a lot of 'Solid' teams.

HysterikiLL
11-25-2006, 08:34 PM
I wish I could but while I was surfing FH there was a bit on ESPN discussing Michigan vs Florida. They had a part showing Florida with the #5 ranked schedule in the country while Michigan was #2.

This is part of what lead to my thread.

Okay, that's cool. Just hadn't heard it before. Suprising too, considering UF have 4 ranked opponents.

Michigan still do have a pretty strong sched. The Big 10 are consistent -- Iowa was I think 15th ranked when they played Michigan, Penn State are pretty solid, Minnesota have always been known to pull out an upset, same with MSU, Wisconsin are having a great season, and OSU speaks for itself. Still..

I do think though, that if ND beat USC, and UF wins the SEC, UF go to the Nat'l championship.

Phinz420
11-25-2006, 08:45 PM
SEC= Shafted Every Championship?

FLOUNDER
11-25-2006, 08:47 PM
Michigan is better than UF in my opinion

King Felix
11-25-2006, 08:47 PM
florida is good at 4 but i think michigan and usc should switch around.

Pennington's Rocket Arm
11-25-2006, 08:47 PM
SEC = SouthEast Conference

:D

DonShula84
11-25-2006, 08:49 PM
So they beat Notre Dame and lose to the only other ranked team on their schedule in OSU, but somehow they are ranked ahead of Florida?


uh...Wisconsin is ranked, so is PSU...

Phinz420
11-25-2006, 08:53 PM
uh...Wisconsin is ranked, so is PSU...

...Your right, Wisconson is ranked in every poll(11 is worst) and Penn State somehow made 25th in the BCS.

Here is the link I used from ESPN for the schedules.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=130

Kind of shocking they wouldnt of had that done properly.

DonShula84
11-25-2006, 08:54 PM
I've made the same mistake, espn shows the rank the teams were when they played I believe

Phinz420
11-25-2006, 08:57 PM
I've made the same mistake, espn shows the rank the teams were when they played I believe
Thats what I was starting to think, but it shows Auburn at their current rank on FL's page and they were top 5 when we played them.(I thought?)

LtDan
11-25-2006, 10:13 PM
Im having a hard time deciphering the logistics of the BCS. I understand that it is supposed to be a mixture of the polls & calculation of strength of schedule. Somehow, the latter goes completly out the window when determining the BCS.

Lets just take a look at who they have played.

Michigan 2006 Schedule DATE OPPONENT RESULT/TIME
09/02Vanderbilt (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=238)W 27-7 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=262450130)
09/09C Michigan (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2117)W 41-17 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=262520130)
09/16at #2 N Dame (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=87)W 47-21 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=262590087)
09/23Wisconsin (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=275)W 27-13 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=262660130)
09/30at Minnesota (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=135)W 28-14 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=262730135)
10/07Mich St (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=127)W 31-13 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=262800130)
10/14at Penn State (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=213)W 17-10 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=262870213)
10/21Iowa (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2294)W 20-6 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=262940130)
10/28N'western (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=77)W 17-3 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=263010130)
11/04Ball St (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2050)W 34-26 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=263080130)
11/11at Indiana (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=84)W 34-3 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=263150084)
11/18at #1 Ohio St (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=194)L 42-39 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=263220194)



So they beat Notre Dame and lose to the only other ranked team on their schedule in OSU, but somehow they are ranked ahead of Florida?
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2006 Schedule DATE OPPONENT RESULT/TIME
09/02So Miss (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2572)W 34-7 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=262450057)
09/09C Florida (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2116)W 42-0 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=262520057)
09/16at #13 Tennessee (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2633)W 21-20 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=262592633)
09/23Kentucky (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=96)W 26-7 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=262660057)
09/30Alabama (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=333)W 28-13 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=262730057)
10/07#9 LSU (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=99)W 23-10 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=262800057)
10/14at #11 Auburn (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2)L 27-17 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=262870002)
10/28at Georgia (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=61)W 21-14 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=263010057)
11/04at Vanderbilt (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=238)W 25-19 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=263080238)
11/11S Carolina (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2579)W 17-16 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=263150057)
11/18W Carolina (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=2717)W 62-0 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=263220057)
11/25at Florida St (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=52)W 21-14 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=263290052)
12/02#5 Arkansas (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=8)6:00 PM


It is obvious who has played and beaten more ranked teams. I am clueless as to how ESPN and other places conclude that Michigan's schedule is stronger. IF the Gators win the SEC, and USC drops to Notre Dame tonight, I can not possibly see how anyone could suggest Michigan deserves the title shot over Florida. There can even be an argument that FL is as deserving as USC because they lost to an unranked team.

Not only has Florida played and beaten better teams than Michigan, but they may actually win their division unlike Michigan. IMO there is no argument to support Michigan in the BCS title game except the really lame one about the score of their previous bout with OSU. Which Michigan fans seem to blow out of proportion in every debate.


Im not totally pissed off that Michigan fans think they truly deserve a rematch. What I am pissed off about is the fact that we are sitting here forced to argue over who should be playing for the national championship, when a properly done playoff system would decide all of this for us.

NCAA has some of the most exciting football to watch, its just a damn shame that there are some stubborn *******s that refuse to give the fans what they want, and that is an undisputed national champion.If Ohio State wins....you WILL have an undisputed National Champ

Phinz420
11-25-2006, 10:24 PM
If Ohio State wins....you WILL have an undisputed National Champ

Not exactly. If OSU even gets to play Michigan again, I wouldnt call it undisputed. It should come down to USC or UF if USC loses their confrence game.

Ofcoarse though, the overhyped Wolverines will easily slide into 2nd if USC loses to UCLA. Even if Florida were to win the SEC, I really dont see the media darling Wolves sliding.

So honestly, IMO if OSU beats Michigan again for the national title, that is anything but "undisputed".

I would consider it undisputed if they were to beat USC though.

Phinz420
11-25-2006, 11:49 PM
I've made the same mistake, espn shows the rank the teams were when they played I believe

Ah this was correct. I went over to Auburn's schedule on ESPN and it shows the Gators being ranked #2 in that match up. Which at that time I am possitive that was their ranking in the BCS.

Roman529
11-26-2006, 12:00 AM
Florida has won a lot of close games, while Michigan has blown people away.

Vertical Limit
11-26-2006, 12:19 AM
It's okay, Florida will have a chance to show Michigan who's boss in the Rose Bowl, as neither of them will end up in the National Championship game. :lol:

Phinz420
11-26-2006, 12:32 AM
It's okay, Florida will have a chance to show Michigan who's boss in the Rose Bowl, as neither of them will end up in the National Championship game. :lol:

But what if USC were to be upset by UCLA and UF beats AK?

Who do you put in the National Title game?

Florida or Michigan?

brandon1986
11-26-2006, 01:00 AM
this is what i hate about the bcs, all i hear is the announcers say,well the voters will be looking at these style points, style points who cares as long as you win the damn game, florida is a very defensive style football team, they manage the game and play hard defense, they are not going to blow out teams by 30+ points

ohio state and michigan have high flying offenses, and they are going to put up a lot of points

but come on do you think michigan would have only one loss if they were in the sec, how about ohio state, the sec is full of defensive teams that can shut down high flying offenses

plus why would michigan get another shot? i mean i imagine florida would love another shot at auburn too

it is a joke the bcs is terrible they need a playoff system, maybe something like the college basketball brackets

NDIrishPhinPhan
11-26-2006, 03:21 AM
If Ohio State wins....you WILL have an undisputed National Champ

That's not true, if they end up playing Boise St for the title then there will still be quite a dispute. Ohio State is the best team, they deserve the championship, but they still have to earn it.

Rights to play OSU in BCS game:
1. UF
2. USC (Oregon St was a terrible loss)
3. Michigan (won the turnover battle 3-0 vs OSU and still lost. 500+ yards allowed)
4. LSU (should be 11-1 (Auburn was cheap loss) with the hardest road schedule ever)
5. Louisville

DonShula84
11-26-2006, 03:34 AM
That's not true, if they end up playing Boise St for the title then there will still be quite a dispute. Ohio State is the best team, they deserve the championship, but they still have to earn it.

Rights to play OSU in BCS game:
1. UF
2. USC (Oregon St was a terrible loss)
3. Michigan (won the turnover battle 3-0 vs OSU and still lost. 500+ yards allowed)
4. LSU (should be 11-1 (Auburn was cheap loss) with the hardest road schedule ever)
5. Louisville

Boise St has zero chance of playing for the title

NDIrishPhinPhan
11-26-2006, 03:39 AM
Boise St has zero chance of playing for the title

i wasn't clear, that's not my point, that was a bad example. i was trying to communicate that if OSU doesn't play the consensus #2 team people will dispute that they didn't have to beat the best contender (thus creating dispute from the team that was left out of the championship game) because team X would have beat them. ehhhh i'm tired.

Oboy
11-26-2006, 09:51 PM
But what if USC were to be upset by UCLA and UF beats AK?

Who do you put in the National Title game?

Florida or Michigan?
Who would I put in? Gators obviously! :wink:

However, I'd bet money that the BCS would put in Michigan.

Either way, this whole idea is on two BIG ifs. IF UF beats AK, and IF USC loses to UCLA. I don't think either happens. After watching Ark and LSU, I have a little more optimism for the UF game, but man is McFadden AWESOME! That guy is a beast.

nyjunc
11-27-2006, 09:28 AM
I think Michigan did have a similar schedule, and they came within 3 points if the #1 team in the country on the road.

Florida played a couple more 'powerhouse' teams but Michigan played a lot of 'Solid' teams.

The 23 point loss to OSU was window dressing, OSU was in control of that game from the time they tied it at 7 until the end. They had a double digit lead most of the game and Mich never had the ball w/ a chance to tie or take the lead in the 4th qtr.

Michigan played an incredibly soft sched, the Big 10 stinks this year and they struggled w/ alot of bad big 10 teams PLUS a bad MAC team. They beat an overrated ND team and an overrated Wisconsin team(Wisconsin is top 10 b/c they have feasted on the weak Big 10 teams- they don't ahve 1 quality win).

Oboy
11-27-2006, 09:31 AM
The 23 point loss to OSU was window dressing, OSU was in control of that game from the time they tied it at 7 until the end. They had a double digit lead most of the game and Mich never had the ball w/ a chance to tie or take the lead in the 4th qtr.

Michigan played an incredibly soft sched, the Big 10 stinks this year and they struggled w/ alot of bad big 10 teams PLUS a bad MAC team. They beat an overrated ND team and an overrated Wisconsin team(Wisconsin is top 10 b/c they have feasted on the weak Big 10 teams- they don't ahve 1 quality win).
THAT IS EXACTLY what I have been saying all along. Who have they beat?

OSUDauby
11-27-2006, 09:53 AM
ANYONE who wonders why Michigan is ahead of Florida in the BCS should go back and watch Florida's games from the past 5-6 weeks. They do not deserve to be in the Top 10, let along Top 5. They are stagnic on offense and are extremely undiciplined. How many times were they flagged against FSU?!? And how in the world did FSU almost win that game?!?! Florida is not that good and should be VERY thankful as to where they are ranked at this time. PERIOD.

finswin56
11-27-2006, 09:57 AM
ANYONE who wonders why Michigan is ahead of Florida in the BCS should go back and watch Florida's games from the past 5-6 weeks. They do not deserve to be in the Top 10, let along Top 5. They are stagnic on offense and are extremely undiciplined. How many times were they flagged against FSU?!? And how in the world did FSU almost win that game?!?! Florida is not that good and should be VERY thankful as to where they are ranked at this time. PERIOD.Is this just a bit of exaggeration to help make your point, or do you honestly think there are 9 better teams than UF? I'd LOVE to see that breakdown.

Motion
11-27-2006, 09:59 AM
ANYONE who wonders why Michigan is ahead of Florida in the BCS should go back and watch Florida's games from the past 5-6 weeks. They do not deserve to be in the Top 10, let along Top 5. They are stagnic on offense and are extremely undiciplined. How many times were they flagged against FSU?!? And how in the world did FSU almost win that game?!?! Florida is not that good and should be VERY thankful as to where they are ranked at this time. PERIOD.

Yeah, an 11-1 SEC team with a top 5 SOS has no business being ranked in the top 10, what are the pollsters thinking?

OSUDauby
11-27-2006, 10:04 AM
Please stop annoying and trolling the membership.You have been given time off before for the same reason.And please turn on your PM capability so we can work these issues out

Amars
11-27-2006, 10:50 AM
The Top 10 was a bit of an exaggeration, but Top 5--NOT AT ALL.
They have been miserable the past few games. How did FSU come within 7 points of them!?? FSU's QB may be the worst QB in Div 1A football. They have no running game. Tebow is overrated and I loved seeing him get popped. And Florida's defense is average. I think that the SEC is the toughest conference in the nation this year from top to bottom, but after watching the SEC's games this past weekend, I'm starting to think that I only feel that way because of the media. Florida was not good, Arkansas and LSU were far from impressive and they are the top 3 teams in the conference. Ohio State would have beaten Florida on Saturday by 4 TD's.

Oh, and just to rag on UF a little more...
This season during the Florida/Alabama game there was a commercial that said for $40 the public could join the Florida Alumni Association. WTF is up with that?!?! Don't they know the meaning of ALUMNI?!?


:lol:

Motion
11-27-2006, 11:30 AM
Oh, and just to rag on UF a little more...
This season during the Florida/Alabama game there was a commercial that said for $40 the public could join the Florida Alumni Association. WTF is up with that?!?! Don't they know the meaning of ALUMNI?!?

I'm 100% sure you heard that correctly :rolleyes2

OSUDauby
11-27-2006, 11:35 AM
I'm 100% sure you heard that correctly :rolleyes2
Oh, I am sure I heard that 110% correctly. Look at the link....Join as a "friend" of the university alumni association for $40. I know it is hard to believe and quite a shame.
https://www.ufalumni.ufl.edu/Membership/membership.asp

Bringing a new meaning to "Gator Nation"...as in ANYONE in the nation can join our "Alumni Association." Haha...

Crowder52
11-27-2006, 11:37 AM
The Top 10 was a bit of an exaggeration, but Top 5--NOT AT ALL.
They have been miserable the past few games. How did FSU come within 7 points of them!?? FSU's QB may be the worst QB in Div 1A football. They have no running game. Tebow is overrated and I loved seeing him get popped. And Florida's defense is average. I think that the SEC is the toughest conference in the nation this year from top to bottom, but after watching the SEC's games this past weekend, I'm starting to think that I only feel that way because of the media. Florida was not good, Arkansas and LSU were far from impressive and they are the top 3 teams in the conference. Ohio State would have beaten Florida on Saturday by 4 TD's.

Oh, and just to rag on UF a little more...
This season during the Florida/Alabama game there was a commercial that said for $40 the public could join the Florida Alumni Association. WTF is up with that?!?! Don't they know the meaning of ALUMNI?!?

Such a stupid post.

1) Who are the 5 teams you put ahead of UF?

2) How did UF only beat FSU by 7? Maybe the same way Ohio St. only beat Illinois by 7. Close games happen in college football. Winning is the important thing.

3) Tebow overrated? He's a true freshman who is contributing to one of the most talented teams in the nation. Certainly a little premature to be calling him overrated.

4) Florida's defense is one of the better units in the country, ranked in the top 5 throughout the year until the losses of Marcus Thomas (a 1st round pick in the 2007 draft) and Brandon Siler (1st team All-SEC) to injury. Ryan Smith leads the SEC in INT and Reggie Nelson is a finalist for the Thorpe Award. Ray McDonald is in Mel Kiper's top 10 senior players in the nation, and Derrick Harvey leads the SEC in sacks as a sophomore. :shakeno:

5) Name a conference stronger than the SEC. You ignore the BCS ranking in which the SEC has 4 of the top 11 teams and rely on vague statements such as "they didn't impress me this weekend." Real convincing.

If you don't like UF or the SEC just say so. But arguments like this just make you look foolish.

Timmy54
11-27-2006, 11:38 AM
http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/polls/119

that has the gators with the #1 sos. Hmmm

Timmy54
11-27-2006, 11:39 AM
Michigan is better than UF in my opinion

too bad all we have to go on is opinion and not a game! i hate the bcs

Timmy54
11-27-2006, 11:41 AM
It's okay, Florida will have a chance to show Michigan who's boss in the Rose Bowl, as neither of them will end up in the National Championship game. :lol:

nope, they wont play in the rose bowl, UF will probably end up in the sugar is what the experts are saying.

OSUDauby
11-27-2006, 11:46 AM
Such a stupid post.

1) Who are the 5 teams you put ahead of UF?

2) How did UF only beat FSU by 7? Maybe the same way Ohio St. only beat Illinois by 7. Close games happen in college football. Winning is the important thing.

3) Tebow overrated? He's a true freshman who is contributing to one of the most talented teams in the nation. Certainly a little premature to be calling him overrated.

4) Florida's defense is one of the better units in the country, ranked in the top 5 throughout the year until the losses of Marcus Thomas (a 1st round pick in the 2007 draft) and Brandon Siler (1st team All-SEC) to injury. Ryan Smith leads the SEC in INT and Reggie Nelson is a finalist for the Thorpe Award. Ray McDonald is in Mel Kiper's top 10 senior players in the nation, and Derrick Harvey leads the SEC in sacks as a sophomore. :shakeno:

5) Name a conference stronger than the SEC. You ignore the BCS ranking in which the SEC has 4 of the top 11 teams and rely on vague statements such as "they didn't impress me this weekend." Real convincing.

If you don't like UF or the SEC just say so. But arguments like this just make you look foolish.

Sure, close games happen in college football, BUT Florida has looked terrible the past 6 weeks or so...excluding their game against a Div. 1AA Team. Yes, Tebow is overrated. He plays on 3rd and short and runs the ball. Hell, I could do that for a Div 1 college football team. Hike---->Run!!! Florida's defense WAS, yada, yada, yada...not a good arguement on your part there. Ohio State's defense was good last year and lost Hawk, Carpenter, Whitner and company and returned this year with better numbers. (Urban Meyer, take some notes!). And you can see that I agree that the SEC is good this year, BUT....Look in the Top 8 of the BCS and you will see THREE Big Ten Teams. Not too shabby.

Pennington's Rocket Arm
11-27-2006, 11:47 AM
it's official. UF has the toughest schedule in the nation. they're the best one loss team. :D

OSUDauby
11-27-2006, 11:49 AM
it's official. UF has the toughest schedule in the nation. they're the best one loss team. :D
What did USC and Michigan quit their football programs today?!?

Crowder52
11-27-2006, 11:52 AM
Sure, close games happen in college football, BUT Florida has looked terrible the past 6 weeks or so...excluding their game against a Div. 1AA Team. Yes, Tebow is overrated. He plays on 3rd and short and runs the ball. Hell, I could do that for a Div 1 college football team. Hike---->Run!!! Florida's defense WAS, yada, yada, yada...not a good arguement on your part there. Ohio State's defense was good last year and lost Hawk, Carpenter, Whitner and company and returned this year with better numbers. (Urban Meyer, take some notes!). And you can see that I agree that the SEC is good this year, BUT....Look in the Top 8 of the BCS and you will see THREE Big Ten Teams. Not too shabby.

I see you ignored nearly everything I said, provided no counter aguments, and answered none of my questions. Nice.

Oboy
11-27-2006, 12:28 PM
I see you ignored nearly everything I said, provided no counter aguments, and answered none of my questions. Nice.
Crowder... just say it with me... "ignore list" :wink:

Timmy54
11-27-2006, 01:16 PM
ANYONE who wonders why Michigan is ahead of Florida in the BCS should go back and watch Florida's games from the past 5-6 weeks. They do not deserve to be in the Top 10, let along Top 5. They are stagnic on offense and are extremely undiciplined. How many times were they flagged against FSU?!? And how in the world did FSU almost win that game?!?! Florida is not that good and should be VERY thankful as to where they are ranked at this time. PERIOD.

oh because they lead the nation in penaties they shouldnt play for the national championship. well they dont wear red so they shouldnt play. silly reasoning. UF has done more this season, losing only one game with the hardest strength of schedule. Michigan plays in a soft conference (yes your conference is not as good as the SEC and stop waisting your breath trying to say it is) and UF plays in the hardes football conference on earth!! OSU and Michigan would have 2 loses if they played a full SEC schedule. by the way, OSU almost lost to the Zooker, so you team stinks too!! see both of us can make silly statements. the facts are nobody knows cause no matter what because they do not get the chance to play each other.

Timmy54
11-27-2006, 01:19 PM
Oh, I am sure I heard that 110% correctly. Look at the link....Join as a "friend" of the university alumni association for $40. I know it is hard to believe and quite a shame.
https://www.ufalumni.ufl.edu/Membership/membership.asp

Bringing a new meaning to "Gator Nation"...as in ANYONE in the nation can join our "Alumni Association." Haha...

oh so it is wrong to join as a friend of the university and be lumped into the alumni association. I graduated from NC State and work for the University of florida, but I support the teams down here with my money and working for the university in a research division, so i am not allowed to be part of the gator nation! shame on you, you give osu fans a bad name.

Timmy54
11-27-2006, 01:22 PM
Sure, close games happen in college football, BUT Florida has looked terrible the past 6 weeks or so...excluding their game against a Div. 1AA Team. Yes, Tebow is overrated. He plays on 3rd and short and runs the ball. Hell, I could do that for a Div 1 college football team. Hike---->Run!!! Florida's defense WAS, yada, yada, yada...not a good arguement on your part there. Ohio State's defense was good last year and lost Hawk, Carpenter, Whitner and company and returned this year with better numbers. (Urban Meyer, take some notes!). And you can see that I agree that the SEC is good this year, BUT....Look in the Top 8 of the BCS and you will see THREE Big Ten Teams. Not too shabby.

1. terrible winning games, sorry does not compute

2. tebow is way better than you my friend, he is a contributor on a very talented team and yes he runs the ball

3. You would be killed running the 3rd and tebow play or the 4th and tebow play! get over it.

4. there is no changing someones mind who refuses to listen to others opinions.

Timmy54
11-27-2006, 01:38 PM
oh by the way, UF beat a top 10 defense on Sat as well. yes FSU has not had any offense this season (really in that game they had two plays..one was a jump ball not what i would say a potent attack) but they did have a great defense with NFL players all over the feild.

Cuban Dave 9
11-27-2006, 02:11 PM
Florida has won a lot of close games, while Michigan has blown people away.
Like Ball State?

nyjunc
11-27-2006, 05:25 PM
ANYONE who wonders why Michigan is ahead of Florida in the BCS should go back and watch Florida's games from the past 5-6 weeks. They do not deserve to be in the Top 10, let along Top 5. They are stagnic on offense and are extremely undiciplined. How many times were they flagged against FSU?!? And how in the world did FSU almost win that game?!?! Florida is not that good and should be VERY thankful as to where they are ranked at this time. PERIOD.

What about Michigan struggling w/ Penn State, Iowa, Northwestern and ball State? At least UF has struggled against a tough schedule. I don't think UF is great but they have earned it more than Michigan who has the same amount of losses against a creampuff sched. The best thing that can be said about mich is they only lost by 3 at OSU when in fact that game was a double digit game all day and OSU had 3 turnovers to NONE for Michigan yet Mich never had a chance to tie or take the lead in the 4th qtr.

DrewDaGreat
11-28-2006, 05:09 PM
If Florida didn't have such a lame OOC schedule every year then they wouldn't have to complain.

Cuban Dave 9
11-28-2006, 05:11 PM
If Florida didn't have such a lame OOC schedule every year then they wouldn't have to complain.
You're right, FSU sucks. Who does FSU play OOC besides us? Troy (which you almost lost to)?

Phinz420
11-28-2006, 05:13 PM
If Florida didn't have such a lame OOC schedule every year then they wouldn't have to complain.
OOC matters the most when you are in a pathetic conference like Michigan, and FSU.

Pennington's Rocket Arm
11-28-2006, 05:36 PM
the OOC schedule excuse is a joke. there are TWELVE games on the schedule. look at that, not the 3 OOC games.

Timmy54
11-28-2006, 05:36 PM
UF tried to get a strong OOC schedule, it is just too bad three of the teams we had ended up having down years after all being in a bowl last year. The Western Carolina thing was just a fill in at the last minute, could not be helped.

FinsNYanksFan13
11-28-2006, 09:04 PM
Florida might be ranked ahead of Michigan if they didn't play a 1AA team IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SEASON!

Amars
11-28-2006, 11:53 PM
With Florida have one of the(if not the) toughest schedules in the NFL, then how can your post be any more credible then what I flush down my toilet every morning?


OOC matters the most when you are in a pathetic conference like Michigan, and FSU.


Again can you predict how good your conference is when you making your schedule 4yrs ahead.

The SEC has not always been the strongest conference.

Kev83
11-29-2006, 12:05 AM
Oh, I am sure I heard that 110% correctly. Look at the link....Join as a "friend" of the university alumni association for $40. I know it is hard to believe and quite a shame.
https://www.ufalumni.ufl.edu/Membership/membership.asp

Bringing a new meaning to "Gator Nation"...as in ANYONE in the nation can join our "Alumni Association." Haha...

Before you bash Florida, look at your own university. :lol: Let me quote the Ohio State Alumni page. "Whether you graduated from Ohio State or not, you're eligible for membership in the Ohio State Alumni Association."
http://www.ohiostatealumni.org/membershipservices/joinnow.php
(http://www.ohiostatealumni.org/membershipservices/joinnow.php)

nyjunc
11-29-2006, 09:08 AM
If Florida didn't have such a lame OOC schedule every year then they wouldn't have to complain.

Mich has played 1 decent OOC team(ND), Mich's OOC sched is a joke and UF plays in a much tougher conference. Overall UF's sched is ALOT tougher than Mich's.


Florida might be ranked ahead of Michigan if they didn't play a 1AA team IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SEASON!

Michigan played Ball State in the mid of the season and barely beat them at home.

Timmy54
11-29-2006, 10:15 AM
at least the gators crushed there 1AA opponent.

Phinz420
01-11-2007, 04:12 AM
ANYONE who wonders why Michigan is ahead of Florida in the BCS should go back and watch Florida's games from the past 5-6 weeks. They do not deserve to be in the Top 10, let along Top 5. They are stagnic on offense and are extremely undiciplined. How many times were they flagged against FSU?!? And how in the world did FSU almost win that game?!?! Florida is not that good and should be VERY thankful as to where they are ranked at this time. PERIOD.

Tebow is overrated. He plays on 3rd and short and runs the ball. Hell, I could do that for a Div 1 college football team. Hike---->Run!!! Florida's defense WAS, yada, yada, yada...not a good arguement on your part there. Ohio State's defense was good last year and lost Hawk, Carpenter, Whitner and company and returned this year with better numbers. (Urban Meyer, take some notes!).

:titanic:



Sorry, I just couldn't resist.


:chuckle:

Skeet84
01-11-2007, 04:22 AM
:titanic:



Sorry, I just couldn't resist.


:chuckle:


:sidelol: :sidelol:

finattic79
01-11-2007, 07:21 AM
Its always nice ot go back and read all the nay sayers posts.

cnc66
01-11-2007, 07:22 AM
Its always nice ot go back and read all the nay sayers posts.

\
only when you win...

Mainge
01-12-2007, 06:51 PM
:sidelol: :sidelol: :sidelol:

Man, where is OSUdaddy now?!

Mike13
01-13-2007, 01:19 AM
:sidelol: :sidelol: :sidelol:

Man, where is OSUdaddy now?!

Crying into a bottle of his own urine.

HysterikiLL
01-13-2007, 02:41 AM
:lol:

Q: What do you call a humble Florida fan?

A: Inexistent.

:lol:

Phinz420
01-13-2007, 02:50 AM
:lol:

Q: What do you call a humble Florida fan?

A: Inexistent.

:lol:


Oh, trust me. Humbleness went out of the window with 99% of the Florida fans who actually had to put up with OSU fans & the media.

This was long coming.

JT Sack Attack
01-13-2007, 06:39 PM
in the long run the gators are better then michigan, michigan wont be able to handle floridas defense it is to good it can shut down every team in the league