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BigDogsHunt
11-27-2006, 12:29 PM
http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/9831778



Big Mac, Canseco together again on Hall of Fame ballot

The complete ballot:
Harold Baines, Albert Belle, Dante Bichette, Bert Blyleven, Bobby Bonilla, Scott Brosius, Jay Buhner, Ken Caminiti, Jose Canseco, Dave Concepcion, Eric Davis, Andre Dawson, Tony Fernandez, Steve Garvey, Rich "Goose" Gossage, Tony Gwynn, Orel Hershiser, Tommy John, Wally Joyner, Don Mattingly, Mark McGwire, Jack Morris, Dale Murphy, Paul O'Neill, Dave Parker, Jim Rice, Cal Ripken Jr., Bret Saberhagen, Lee Smith, Alan Trammell, Devon White, Bobby Witt.

No way do I think McGwire gets in this go round, and no way does Canseco sniff a single vote.

I would like to see Blyleven, Gwynn, Hershiser, and Ripken get the votes this go round.

Still not sure on Gossage, Garvey, Dawson, Rice, Parker, Murphy, or Morris.

P.S. just visited the MLB Hall of Fame this month. What a great place and great museum.

Chavez Ravine
11-27-2006, 12:44 PM
Gwynn and Ripken stand out obviously

after that...

Devon White and Scott Brosius are a lock IMO

BigDogsHunt
11-27-2006, 12:52 PM
Devon White and Scott Brosius are a lock IMO

For what :confused: ?

MikeO
11-27-2006, 01:32 PM
Gwynn and Ripkin will get in.

Jim Rice SHOULD get in but he won't cause nobody likes him. He was one of the best right handed hitters of that era. But he will get screwed......again

I would vote for Bert Byleven and Andre Dawson but I know they probably won't get in. And many will disagree.

McGwire will pay his punishment and not get in the first couple tries but he will eventually.

FinsNYanksFan13
11-27-2006, 01:37 PM
Mark McGwire brought baseball back from the dead and he's not going to get in? That's a joke IMO. I know his numbers aside from homers don't warrant him getting in but damn, steroids or no steroids the man basically brought baseball from the grave in 98 and that counts for something in my book. I think he should get in for that but that's just my opinion!

MikeO
11-27-2006, 02:05 PM
Mark McGwire brought baseball back from the dead and he's not going to get in? That's a joke IMO. I know his numbers aside from homers don't warrant him getting in but damn, steroids or no steroids the man basically brought baseball from the grave in 98 and that counts for something in my book. I think he should get in for that but that's just my opinion!

he will get in. just not the 1st or 2nd time around. the "voters" will make him wait. It will be his form of "punishment"

Roman529
11-27-2006, 02:38 PM
Goose Gossage lives here in Colorado Springs, and is way overdue for the Hall of Fame. I see him around town playing volleyball and helping kids at baseball camps. I have talked to him a few times and he is a really great guy. He is also huge. I hope you get in Goose.....you deserve it !!!!

Just say NO to McGwire, Canseco, and the other guys who cheated. :rolleyes:

BigDogsHunt
11-27-2006, 03:06 PM
Just say NO to McGwire, Canseco, and the other guys who cheated. :rolleyes:

That list is long my friend, and the HoF already has several. Aside from the assumptions you are making about them, since they have never been proven to cheat, and no rules prevented the use of performance enhancers, in MLB at the time, etc, this is a difficult situation for the voters.

I will be curious to see what if any message is sent....hard to say.

UCFinfan86
11-27-2006, 04:41 PM
i don't know how i feel about mcgwire, but i dont think voters will vote him in on the first time

UCFinfan86
11-27-2006, 05:02 PM
on espn.com sportsnation only Tony Gwynn and Cal Ripken recieved enough votes, Gossage and McGwire were 3rd and 4th but only had between 50-60% of the votes

Roman529
11-27-2006, 05:41 PM
The Goose should be in already....Bruce Sutter and Lee Smith have the Goose to thank for paving the way. I also hope Blyleven gets in too. :rolleyes:

GreenMonster
11-27-2006, 06:29 PM
In this order

Gwynn
Ripken
Dawson
Rice
Blyleven

Those would be my 5 votes.. I can't believe people would rather have a player like Raffy in because of 3000/500 but leave out 2 guys that carried their teams year after year like Dawson and Rice..

Chavez Ravine
11-28-2006, 12:56 AM
For what :confused: ?

I was joking:tongue:

MikeO
11-28-2006, 02:24 AM
on espn.com sportsnation only Tony Gwynn and Cal Ripken recieved enough votes, Gossage and McGwire were 3rd and 4th but only had between 50-60% of the votes

I wanna see Jim Rice get in. He deserves it.

nyjunc
11-28-2006, 07:33 AM
Goose, Gwynn, Cal and Jack Morris.

BigDogsHunt
11-28-2006, 03:53 PM
I wanna see Jim Rice get in. He deserves it.

I put Rice and Gossage in the same catagory....Writers/voters do not like them and never have liked how they were treated by them.

However, would agree that both do deserve to be in.

Roman529
11-30-2006, 09:09 PM
I put Rice and Gossage in the same catagory....Writers/voters do not like them and never have liked how they were treated by them.

However, would agree that both do deserve to be in.

Rice and the media never hit it off. I would put Gossage in before Rice myself.

phunwin
11-30-2006, 10:11 PM
We all know Ripken and Gwynn will go. I think Rice will make it too and maybe Gossage. Their numbers have been trending upward enough that they could get in this time...which is stupid. Not that I have anything against those guys, but if you didn't vote for them five years ago, why vote for them now? Has Rice hit 30 more home runs in retirement? Has Gossage lowered his career ERA by a half a run? Why on earth would you vote against someone in 2001 (or whenever) and then vote for them in 2006? People are so stupid sometimes.

Blyleven will never get in, even though he deserves it on his career numbers. They should eject Don Sutton from the HOF and replace him with Blyleven, since they were basically the same pitcher except that Blyleven was a bit better, while Sutton had the benefit of playing on good teams.

I'm on the fence about Rice. I feel like he and Dale Murphy seemed to have the same career; they were both incredible hitters for a decade and then fell off a cliff. Of course, Rice's prime lasted a bit longer.

I'd definitely vote for Gossage, if I had a vote.

As for McGwire, I'm on the fence. He almost certainly abused steroids. Here's the thing, though, and I don't think enough people bring it up: he could have shot himself in the *** with HGH, or andro, or mutant flaxseed growth hormone or whatever in front of 50,000 people at Busch Stadium, and MLB couldn't have done a thing about it. Steroid abuse was perfectly legal in the major leagues until 2004. So while McGwire acted inappropriately, and was a lousy example to kids, he also didn't do anything illegal. So I don't know.

nyjunc
12-01-2006, 08:48 AM
They should eject Don Sutton from the HOF

they should eject alot more than just Sutton. There ar alto of undeserving players in the Hall.

finswin56
12-01-2006, 10:58 AM
I put Rice and Gossage in the same catagory....Writers/voters do not like them and never have liked how they were treated by them.

However, would agree that both do deserve to be in.It's obviously petty how the writers act with regard to certain players. I don't get why baseball hasn't adopted the NFL's HoF voting process. I think the NFL's version is outstanding... Lock everyone in a room and debate/explain yourself in front of your peers. This would also help with the older players who were rarely seen by writers following the other league. I'd be very curious to see what percentage of AL writers who vote for Rice, and the NL's that don't vote for him.

MikeO
12-01-2006, 11:46 AM
they should eject alot more than just Sutton. There ar alto of undeserving players in the Hall.

Yeah, Kirby Puckett is another. Guy was a nice player but never a hall of fame player. Look at the numbers!! It's a joke that he is in.

MikeO
12-01-2006, 11:47 AM
Rice and the media never hit it off. I would put Gossage in before Rice myself.

You can make a case that Rice was the best right handed hitter in baseball for a 5-10 year timespan. His numbers are very very good. He should be in the hall of fame.

phunwin
12-01-2006, 04:03 PM
they should eject alot more than just Sutton. There ar alto of undeserving players in the Hall.

I completely agree, I was merely using Sutton as an example since he's a useful comparison with Blyleven. In many ways, they had a similar career: often good, seldom great, extreme periods of longevity. Blyleven was just better. But you could easily toss out 20 or 30 players that are currently in the Hall of Fame with little to no disagreement.

In fact, let's compare Sutton and Blyleven's career totals, just for a lark...

Blyleven - 287-250, 685 GS, 242 CG (WOW!), 4970 IP, 3.31 ERA, 118 ERA+, 1.198 WHIP
Sutton - 324-256, 756 GS, 178 CG, 5282 IP, 3.26 ERA, 108 ERA+, 1.142 WHIP

Sutton's raw numbers are generally better, but that ERA+ is huge, as it accounts for park factors, something that were a huge edge for Sutton, pitching in the (until recently) pitcher-friendly confines of Dodger Stadium for his halcyon years. That ERA+ shows that Sutton was 8 percent better than a league average pitcher for his career, while Blyleven was 18 percent better. Plus, Bert was an absolute horse; he threw a complete game better than one out of every three times out. And he had to, look at some of the awful teams he got stuck pitching for.

phunwin
12-01-2006, 04:10 PM
It's obviously petty how the writers act with regard to certain players. I don't get why baseball hasn't adopted the NFL's HoF voting process. I think the NFL's version is outstanding... Lock everyone in a room and debate/explain yourself in front of your peers. This would also help with the older players who were rarely seen by writers following the other league. I'd be very curious to see what percentage of AL writers who vote for Rice, and the NL's that don't vote for him.

Eh, I don't know how much better the NFL process is. In recent years, there's been a lot of "I'll vote for your guy if you vote for mine" horse trading. That strikes me as only marginally better than not voting for a guy because he was a jerk to you when you were a cub reporter for the Des Moines Herald and he was a star outfielder.