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Aqua4Ever04
11-28-2006, 12:24 AM
I don't know about you guys, but I am getting sick and tired of these girly roughing the passer rules. If you guys are watching MNF, you know what I'm talking about. What was Jenkins supposed to do righ there?

dominizzo
11-28-2006, 12:25 AM
Sad

Vertical Limit
11-28-2006, 12:28 AM
That was a bull**** homer call. He didn't even hit his helmet.

Roman529
11-28-2006, 12:36 AM
I think they need do away with roughing the QB call unless the QB is unable to walk off the field.

nyjunc
11-28-2006, 07:36 AM
We have had 4-5 of those calls and we never get one in return. 3 of them have cost us huge turnovers too and in the browns game everyone remembers the bad call on the Baker TD but it overshadowed the bad call on the hit on Chad. Chad was hit in the head much worse than any of the calls we have gotten against us yet they didn' throw the flag. I really hope that game doesn't come back to haunt us.

cnc66
11-28-2006, 07:54 AM
We have had 4-5 of those calls and we never get one in return. 3 of them have cost us huge turnovers too and in the browns game everyone remembers the bad call on the Baker TD but it overshadowed the bad call on the hit on Chad. Chad was hit in the head much worse than any of the calls we have gotten against us yet they didn' throw the flag. I really hope that game doesn't come back to haunt us.

man...I didn't think Chadly was gunna get up...he's a tough cookie.

I saw some discussion about this, that there should be a 5 yard offense, and then a PF 15 yarder. You can call them any name you want, but the bottom line is that for 32 teams, there are half that many GOOD QB's. They need to be protected. When the game was devised who the hell knew there would be 300 pound men running forty miles an hour.

MR NFLFAN
11-28-2006, 10:32 AM
I think they need do away with roughing the QB call unless the QB is unable to walk off the field.

Tell that to Chris Simms he walked off the field right into a hospital operating room to have his ruptured spleen removed. Big Ben is lucky he's still alive after taking 9 sacks vs the ravens. Perhaps your just joking or maybe you're not but where will your team be the day Joey gets throttled and can't walk off on his own? We are lucky we haven't seen a QB die on the playing field already and I'd rather see a borderline RTP call than a player disabled for life of worse.

ch19079
11-28-2006, 11:23 AM
all i know is that there should be a ref in a booth watching all the plays. If a ref on the field calls a penalty and the ref in the booth, watching the film, can clearly see that there was no penalty, the flag should be picked up.

example:

bills patriots game a few years back. Fletcher hits Brady. Ref calls a 15 yard personal foul for helmet to helmet on the QB. but the replay clearly shows that the helmets NEVER touched, and bradys head shot back because of the hit to his body not his head. refs didnt care, and still gave them the 15 yards. :fire:

im just saying that some things are judgemnt calls, and others things are facts. A ref in the booth would be able to see what happened, and in cases that are not judgemnt calls, like helmet to helmet, they can make the correct call. thats all we want... the correct call.

Coral Reefer
11-28-2006, 12:06 PM
Roughing the passer = Put a dress on the QB

I don't know about you guys, but I am getting sick and tired of these girly roughing the passer rules. If you guys are watching MNF, you know what I'm talking about. What was Jenkins supposed to do righ there?

:lol:

Those were the immortal words of Jack Lambert in a nutshell. Still love him to this day and that interview is one of the reasons.

They need QB protection rules but they've clearly gone way beyond what is needed. These guys are still football players and should be treated as such.

Mike13
11-28-2006, 12:12 PM
all i know is that there should be a ref in a booth watching all the plays. If a ref on the field calls a penalty and the ref in the booth, watching the film, can clearly see that there was no penalty, the flag should be picked up.

example:

bills patriots game a few years back. Fletcher hits Brady. Ref calls a 15 yard personal foul for helmet to helmet on the QB. but the replay clearly shows that the helmets NEVER touched, and bradys head shot back because of the hit to his body not his head. refs didnt care, and still gave them the 15 yards. :fire:

im just saying that some things are judgemnt calls, and others things are facts. A ref in the booth would be able to see what happened, and in cases that are not judgemnt calls, like helmet to helmet, they can make the correct call. thats all we want... the correct call.

Yes Penalties should be reviewable.
Especially since Offciating has shown nio signs of improvement.

FinsNCanes
11-28-2006, 12:18 PM
PI is out of control as well.

Do you really think by a CB putting a hand on someones back (not pushing mind you) would really affect someones route? I don't think so. CB's have a hard enough time as it is..

Oh..I would also change the lame tuck/forward pass rule. There is plenty of times you see a QBs hand going forward (ball not out mind you) and it get's knocked out but just cause his hand is going forward it's considered a pass? I don't like it.

MR NFLFAN
11-28-2006, 01:44 PM
all i know is that there should be a ref in a booth watching all the plays. If a ref on the field calls a penalty and the ref in the booth, watching the film, can clearly see that there was no penalty, the flag should be picked up.


Come on guys get real. What else should they do, maybe have 11 cameras focused on every position match up so we'll be able to have review tape on evey possible penality that could occur. This will be the beginning of the 8 hr long pro football game. I am assuming that in the days before instant replay there were just as many questionable calls but fans often didn't know it because they didn't get the play run over and over from 5 different angles on their TV's at home or the jumbotrons at the stadiums like we do today. I think the league is doing its best to right a wrong during actual game time but nothings going to be perfect and there are limitations to everything including officiating in a reasonable time frame. The topic was about RTP and I still feel those QB's are vulnerable standing back there while some 300lb lineman bullrushes them. If they allow that to happen with out its limits soon they'll be no QB's left to play the game.

ch19079
11-28-2006, 02:34 PM
Come on guys get real. What else should they do, maybe have 11 cameras focused on every position match up so we'll be able to have review tape on evey possible penality that could occur. This will be the beginning of the 8 hr long pro football game. I am assuming that in the days before instant replay there were just as many questionable calls but fans often didn't know it because they didn't get the play run over and over from 5 different angles on their TV's at home or the jumbotrons at the stadiums like we do today. I think the league is doing its best to right a wrong during actual game time but nothings going to be perfect and there are limitations to everything including officiating in a reasonable time frame. The topic was about RTP and I still feel those QB's are vulnerable standing back there while some 300lb lineman bullrushes them. If they allow that to happen with out its limits soon they'll be no QB's left to play the game.

if i can see a obvious bad call, sitting at home watching the game on tv, then i have at least some confidence in a nfl refs can also see it.

im not talking about settign up 50 cameras and stopping after every play to review. I just dont want a game to be won or lost on a bad call that half of america can see plain as day sitting at home watching it on basic tv. They usually show atleast 1 replay before the next play is called. is it so much to ask that there be a ref watching the same braudcast that i see? i dont think so.

Alex44
11-28-2006, 02:44 PM
Come on guys get real. What else should they do, maybe have 11 cameras focused on every position match up so we'll be able to have review tape on evey possible penality that could occur. This will be the beginning of the 8 hr long pro football game. I am assuming that in the days before instant replay there were just as many questionable calls but fans often didn't know it because they didn't get the play run over and over from 5 different angles on their TV's at home or the jumbotrons at the stadiums like we do today. I think the league is doing its best to right a wrong during actual game time but nothings going to be perfect and there are limitations to everything including officiating in a reasonable time frame. The topic was about RTP and I still feel those QB's are vulnerable standing back there while some 300lb lineman bullrushes them. If they allow that to happen with out its limits soon they'll be no QB's left to play the game.

Every play in college is reviewed from upstairs and the games arent all that long because not every play gets stopped, just the questionable ones.

Rocky Raccoon
11-28-2006, 02:55 PM
I expect the league to seriously look into the roughing the passer calls in the off-season.

nick1
11-28-2006, 03:54 PM
thats because it was Hasselback, stupid double standard phantom call

Dolfan11
11-28-2006, 04:37 PM
It's funny. A play like that, which is completley accidental and did no harm and looked nothing like roughing the passer, warrants a penalty. Aren't you still allowed to hit the QB or run into him if he releases the ball 1/2 a second before you get there?

ALL questionable plays should be reviewable from upstairs. It would make the game much more efficient. It would eliminate the nature of the dumb f-ing calls some of the refs make. If you have the ability to get it right, why not take advantage?

You don't need 50 cameras, just the same amount of cameras. It won't add much more time, and I rather add time and have a more accurate called game.

Save time by cutting to commercials every 3 minutes instead of every 35 seconds.

nick1
11-28-2006, 04:44 PM
this is why I think some penalties should be reviewable, maybe not the best idea because it will slow the game some but it's the only way to clear out the phantom calls. you can rewrite the rule however you want, there will still be bad calls

NewEra8
11-28-2006, 04:51 PM
Yeah that roughing the passer last night was ridiculous... I also feel bad for the guys trying to block kicks, but they arent allowed to touch the kicker... I know its there to protect the kickers but damn... its football... they knew what they were getting into by signing the contract.

(Why don't they have multiple refs up in the box watching film and just have them mic'd up to the refs on the field... obviously the technology is there... and the time for feed back wouldn't take long...)

nick1
11-28-2006, 04:54 PM
Yeah that roughing the passer last night was ridiculous... I also feel bad for the guys trying to block kicks, but they arent allowed to touch the kicker... I know its there to protect the kickers but damn... its football... they knew what they were getting into by signing the contract.

(Why don't they have multiple refs up in the box watching film and just have them mic'd up to the refs on the field... obviously the technology is there... and the time for feed back wouldn't take long...)
I agree with that rule, if you tip the ball you can touch the kicker. kickers are little guys and are vulnerable when kicking

Mike13
11-28-2006, 05:05 PM
I agree with that rule, if you tip the ball you can touch the kicker. kickers are little guys and are vulnerable when kicking

Its difficult to stop once these guys have alot of momentum going though.

Aqua4Ever04
11-28-2006, 05:13 PM
all i know is that there should be a ref in a booth watching all the plays. If a ref on the field calls a penalty and the ref in the booth, watching the film, can clearly see that there was no penalty, the flag should be picked up.


I agree that penalties and judgement calls should be reviewable. I mean why can't a team review weather or not a reciever was forced out or not? Who cares if it's judgement, you can still fix a wrong call.

NewEra8
11-28-2006, 05:25 PM
Its difficult to stop once these guys have alot of momentum going though.

220(?) pounds running full speed... momentum.... naaaaahhhhhh

haha Thats what I find idiotic about it... theyre expected to make a split second decision on whether to stop or block it...

burger13
11-28-2006, 07:51 PM
thats because it was Hasselback, stupid double standard phantom call

Has nothing to do with who it was..........these horrible calls happen in almost evey single NFL game. I honestly can't remember the last one I watched which didn't have a BS RTP call.

I like the idea of replay on these penalties......but with a limit. If, like last night, it was called RTP because of a blow to the head, then the official upstairs could correct the call, because there clearly was no blow to the head. Helmet-to-helmet? Same thing.

But.........

If it were a judgement call like the hit was late, or unnecessary, then there's no review, it was a judgement call. But an objective call.....like a blow to the head, that should be reviewable.

nick1
11-28-2006, 08:35 PM
Has nothing to do with who it was..........these horrible calls happen in almost evey single NFL game. I honestly can't remember the last one I watched which didn't have a BS RTP call.

I like the idea of replay on these penalties......but with a limit. If, like last night, it was called RTP because of a blow to the head, then the official upstairs could correct the call, because there clearly was no blow to the head. Helmet-to-helmet? Same thing.

But.........

If it were a judgement call like the hit was late, or unnecessary, then there's no review, it was a judgement call. But an objective call.....like a blow to the head, that should be reviewable.
I said that because he's a veteran and he's been complaining about the refs not protecting the passer

Dtronic
11-29-2006, 05:21 PM
That call on MNF was a very bad one. I think ref's should get fined for bad calls.